LOST EXPLAINED PART 9 - CHARLES WIDMORE AND ELOISE HAWKING

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LOST EXPLAINED

3 жыл бұрын

#LeaveNoQuestionUnanswered #LOSTexplained
The ninth chapter in a series of LOST EXPLAINED videos that investigate the mythology and mysteries from the seminal television series LOST. These definitive explanations are based on multiple viewings of the show over the years and careful studying of the details, clues, inconsistencies and contradictions that make up the complex tapestry of what is the greatest television show from the 2000s.
Chapter Nine explores the characters of former Island leaders Charles Widmore and Eloise Hawking. This video explains what they knew, why they did the things they did, and ultimately untangles their motivations once and for all. Other mysteries explored and explained include how Eloise knew so much about the future, why Widmore resented Desmond, who was trying to tranquilize and kidnap the Oceanic Six, and just exactly why and when Widmore started batting for the good guys.
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@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Ай бұрын
*ATTENTION! For viewers who take issue with the text-to-speech voice* All of these older videos have been entirely revoiced and remade in better quality (and feature A LOT more detail). They have been combined together as part of a six part video series called The Theory of Everything, which you can watch here: kzfaq.info/sun/PL5iTj9psbPrNovFOg4pJJIyxiLAv2WAKB Namaste! 🙏
@philiolynott4886
@philiolynott4886 3 жыл бұрын
These videos are important. Lost's legacy needs to focus around how genius it really was, and not about upset fans "not getting their answers". I think these videos are important in giving Lost the proper legacy it deserves.
@noemirojek7896
@noemirojek7896 3 жыл бұрын
I agree!
@houseofmatrix6174
@houseofmatrix6174 2 жыл бұрын
Bro that’s not fan just because you didn’t want answers doesn’t mean others didn’t. The show was epic but finale crap, just like game of thrones. Most people are watching this KZfaq channel because we want answers .If they wasn’t going give any answers why keep show mysterious
@polarbearhero9803
@polarbearhero9803 2 жыл бұрын
Great videos. I loved the finale. The whole show built to it. Except Mr. Echo’s role which was suppose to go onto season 5 or 6 but the actor asked to be let out of his contract and his part had to be rewritten. This led to the show bring less smooth in moving forward.
@travisc7722
@travisc7722 3 жыл бұрын
I never thought about the fact that his notebook also told the others how to use the gas station as well. Wild!
@JHallenbeck
@JHallenbeck 3 жыл бұрын
The logic of these videos connecting dots together has truly been stellar. Widmore's goals and motivations were always the most murky to me but this makes sense of his actions. Thanks! Keep making more vids. p.s. I too believe that Eloise could see flashes of the future to guide her along the path. Only some of the details came from Daniel's journal. The island helped her with the rest.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I have at least a few more videos in me ;)
@d3l3tes00n
@d3l3tes00n 3 жыл бұрын
Realizing why Widmore was so cold to Desmond & why Eloise was so cold to Daniel makes all of this so tragic. In another life, Charles could've been happy for his daughter to be with a man who loved her as much as Desmond & Eloise could've supported Daniel's passion for music giving them a close relationship. Fate is a bitch.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
Technically, we do see that other life in the sideways, in which Charles respected and embraced Desmond as a man of integrity through their working relationship, and Eloise supported Daniel's passion for music with that amazing concert she put on for him to play in. The sideways gave us a chance to see some of these character reversals and reframed relationships, perhaps in the way they should/would have been had the island not affected everyone's lives.
@corycataldo3638
@corycataldo3638 2 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 in that flash sideways how was Eloise aware of what Desmond was doing? Specifically at that huge event when she hears him asking about a Penelope she tells him to “stop” and “someone has clearly altered the way you are seeing things” and “are you really not happy you have everything you’ve ever wanted, you have Charles approval”
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
@@corycataldo3638 So, we know that when people in the sideways reconnect with their soulmate or someone special to them, they "wake up". All Eloise ever wanted was to course correct the tragedy of her son's destiny. So, when she reconnected with Daniel in the sideways, she woke up. Almost immediately. Eloise became aware that they were all living in a "construct" of sorts, but she also understood that this was her chance to live out the life she had always wanted. One that was free from commitment to The Island. In which she could be with her son and Charles, and live a blessed life together. When she saw that Desmond was trying to find Penny, she knew that their meeting could awaken them to the truth of the sideways and begin the process of awakening others, including her son. She did not want this. She even says to Desmond at the concert that she doesn't want him to take Daniel away yet. She is not ready to give up this fantasy world because it's her chance to be a real mother to Daniel and to make up for all the awful things that happened in their lives. Basically, Eloise was awake, but not ready to let go and move on.
@corycataldo3638
@corycataldo3638 2 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 amazing thank you. That makes a lot of sense! I binged about half your series last night, I’ll probably watch the rest tonight
@noemirojek7896
@noemirojek7896 3 жыл бұрын
wow... I never thought that Charles and Eloise knew everything that was going to happen and were doing everything to fulfill it. Until the end I wasn't entirely sure what was their goal in the show, but now it's all clear. Just thinking about how everything was connected from the beginning is mind-blowing. Thank you so much for your videos, they are extremely helpful and give a deeper perspective of the whole show.
@rkarashima
@rkarashima 3 жыл бұрын
Man, I wish you lots and lots of subscribers. Your explanations are the best! The Lost community must know your videos!
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that's a very kind comment.
@Choekaas
@Choekaas 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Eloise getting her knowledge from the Island! Absolutely correct. My headcanon theory is that: After the Incident and the energy underneath the Island being unstable, we have the DHARMA Initative puring concrete over this whole thing while finishing building the station. At this time, Richard and Eloise will go to the frozen chamber to move the Island so that Eloise can leave a give birth to Daniel. A young Ben follows them, something Richard and Eloise doesn't notice until they are in the underground chambers. Richard is strict with Ben and tells him that moving the Island is a measure of last resort and whoever moves cannot return (likely a lie by Richard, but he needed to say it to Ben not to tempt him to try it out). Moving the wheel is kind of like turning the failsafe key in the s2 finale. It taps into the energy, while the energy is erratic. I can easily imagine this event having a profound effect on Ben and something he would remember until he finally does it almost 30 years later.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
Eloise moving the island absolutely makes sense to me, especially seeing as it would explain how Ben knew about the wheel and what it could do. It also means Eloise would have turned it before DHARMA finished construction at the site when the chamber could still be accessed through the tunnel. Not only would this have transported Eloise off of the island safely and potentially fuelled flashes of the future, it would have moved the island out of DHARMA's reach from the mainland at Ann Arbor. So, I absolutely subscribe to a similar notion as you even though there isn't quite enough evidence in the show to definitively prove it either way.
@marinabassi3767
@marinabassi3767 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are invaluable and show how deep Lost really is. I have no words...
@brianlaudrupchannel
@brianlaudrupchannel 11 ай бұрын
Lost has aged like fine wine
@WarrenF19
@WarrenF19 2 жыл бұрын
I love how these videos prove that everything matters but nothing matters; almost everything has some significance for the future, but nothing they try can change the futures inevitable outcome.
@MatiZ815
@MatiZ815 3 жыл бұрын
I think the simplest answer works here: Eloise was given flashes by the Island and once she did everything she's supposed to do, they stopped.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
Correct, that is the most likely scenario.
@NicoParasite
@NicoParasite 2 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for a Lost channel like this for years! All of your explanations gave me so much more insight about the Lost universe and I've been watching this show since it premiered, in 04, I don't even keep count of how many times I've seen it and now your content helped me with the many questions that I always had. Instantly subscribed.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
That's wonderful to hear! So glad you have found the channel useful. My primary goal has been to help explain and enrich the mythology of the show for the fans, so I'm really pleased to read comments like this :-)
@meglosthecaramacking
@meglosthecaramacking 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for these videos.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome. I'm glad you're finding them edifying.
@lolauvelia
@lolauvelia 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t thank you enough for these videos. This one especially answered a lot of questions that I’ve had for YEARS. Thank you thank you thank you!!
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
You are most welcome! I'm pleased to hear they are filling in some answers for you :)
@official_dee17
@official_dee17 3 жыл бұрын
Another faultless video, you’re absolutely incredible, well done sir🤙🏼💯
@motta_x
@motta_x 3 жыл бұрын
Love this series. Could you do one of the flash sideways/ending of the show?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you :) I definitely will get around to the flash sideways at some point and go through it in more detail. But that most likely will be a little further down the line.
@zacharyagler3007
@zacharyagler3007 3 жыл бұрын
LOST is like an onion it has a lot of layers
@MatiZ815
@MatiZ815 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, LOST was clearly inspired by Shrek.
@zacharyagler3007
@zacharyagler3007 3 жыл бұрын
Haha exactly
@RandyBaumery
@RandyBaumery 2 ай бұрын
I love this series.
@Aheadofthecurve1
@Aheadofthecurve1 Жыл бұрын
Love this page! Thanks for this! On my 2nd rewatch now
@edgarcueto1212
@edgarcueto1212 3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Watching them all now. Stay lost
@amybrown4311
@amybrown4311 Жыл бұрын
Daniel's mom gave him that journal on his graduation knowing exactly how significant it is, and she wrote that msg inside knowing that she will kill him and it broke her heart. And in his last moments, Daniel knew that she knew that this will happen all along... this is mind-boggling and heartbreaking and it makes me not hate Eloise anymore
@rachele2326
@rachele2326 3 жыл бұрын
this video helped clear things up for me. I've always had the feeling that Widmore and Eloise also collaborated off the Island. How do you think he found the island when he sent the freighter? Via the Lamp Post station?
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is the most likely scenario. Widmore and Eloise participated in an uneasy collaboration with one another. Both accepted that they had a responsibility to fulfil the timeline, or risk the end of the world. Hence why Eloise encourages Daniel to take up Widmore's offer. So, it is highly likely The Lamp Post was used for the purposes of sending the freighter to begin with.
@rachele2326
@rachele2326 3 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 exactly, Eloise telling his son to accept Widmore's job offer proves that she knew all about Widmore's plan and the arrival of the freighter on the island, I wouldn't be surprised if she had helped him to find the island
@ClaudioMalagrino
@ClaudioMalagrino 2 жыл бұрын
You should write your analyses somehow, in a blog or a book. I would like to read them and study them carefully.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
I think most people prefer videos in this day and age, and are more likely to watch these than read a blog. I used to write a lot of this stuff on Reddit, but only a handful of people ever looked there.
@ClaudioMalagrino
@ClaudioMalagrino 2 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 I'm "old school" and I love reading. Please post your links if the material is still online. Thank you!
@jackdavinci
@jackdavinci 7 ай бұрын
I assumed Eloise learned about the timeline from Faraday’s notebook, which she gave him
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 7 ай бұрын
Eloise learned some extremely pivotal data and key information about the future from the journal for sure, but there are things she also knew that the journal could not have told her, such as how she predicted the imminent death of the man with red shoes for example. She was like Desmond to some extent, able to see flashes of the future for as long as The Island needed her to.
@wadewilson8924
@wadewilson8924 Жыл бұрын
That photo on brother cambells desk is so bad I don’t know why they included it. Just put a picture of Eloise instead.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it's infamously bad photoshop work, even by the standards of 2007/08.
@jamesglandon3737
@jamesglandon3737 3 жыл бұрын
Why are the colors inverted for half a second @ 1:39
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
It's not noticeable at my end. Probably a technical glitch.
@Marcell2aG
@Marcell2aG Жыл бұрын
I feel like Charles and Eloise were loose inspirations for Adam and Eva in the show “Dark”.
@franciscojaviervelazquezes3348
@franciscojaviervelazquezes3348 2 жыл бұрын
In Mexico, there is a Fan theory, that Charles Widmore is really Desmonds and Penny´s son.
@sithari518
@sithari518 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, what evidence in cannon was there supporting your assertion that Widmore had foreknowledge of Desmond's destiny prior to their first 'interview' meeting at Widmore's office? I can't recall any off the top of my head, other than the assumption that because Eloise knew, she told him. It's a good theory for sure, but was there anything more supporting this? Of course I love this theory because it implies long-term story telling by the writers which we all want to believe is true for Lost, but it's just not the reality of shows like this, especially in season, what, season 3ish? They didn't know season 6 would be the final season then, did they? I doubt they'd have had anything that minute drawn out so far in advance - I believe they had rough ideas and outlines for the full arc, but this would imply godlike foreknowledge by them, lol. Plus, Widmore'd have to be a perfect and patient actor (Widmore the character, not the real life actor who played him) to pull off that sort of charade, and if we know anything about Widmore, he's a shrewd businessman and an exceedingly skilled schemer/manipulator but his hubris, ego and quick temper usually always overshadow any kind of fortitude or altruism, even when he was up there in age after Jacob made him "see the error of his ways". He may have lied to the Losties (Jin and Desmond, etc) when he's telling them that if Locke leaves the island, everyone they care about would die to get them to do what he wanted them to, in the end it was Widmore's selfish need to save his daughter that got him killed and nearly killed all the remaining Candidates when he tried to make that deal and told Locke how to destroy the island. EDIT: Shit, sorry about the length!!
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
Widmore had forewarning about Desmond in the same way Eloise Hawking did... Daniel Faraday's journal. Remember there is a whole page that reads: "If anything goes wrong, *Desmond Hume* will be my constant." It is also possible that there are other entries about Desmond in there (Faraday had 3 years to fill in his history and experiences with Desmond after all). We know Widmore was helping to ensure the timeline beyond serving his own agenda because of Daniel Faraday's whole backstory in 'The Variable', and the very fact Widmore sent key time travellers on the freighter along with a motivation to move the island. Yes, he was self-motivated in trying to remove Ben from power, but the show absolutely establishes that he also had commitments to fulfilling aspects of the timeline, just like Eloise. The very fact that he helps send his son to the island knowing what happens to him back in 1977 is proof enough of this.
@michaelsmyth3935
@michaelsmyth3935 Жыл бұрын
Widmore and Linus ve the same issue. Unbridled hubris and arrogance.
@StoneBasses
@StoneBasses 2 жыл бұрын
It's makes no sense that Eloise has access to the Lamp Post station, but Widmore just can't find the island. If Ben can find her there, so can Widmore.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
It's implied in 'The Variable' that Charles and Eloise are deeply estranged from one another; their uneasy collaboration in maintaining the timeline is just that... uneasy. And done separately. We do not know if Widmore ever even knew about The Lamp Post's existence since he was banished from being an "Other" long before Eloise took the place over. Ben claims to not have been aware of the station's existence either. But who knows with him lol. Anyway, we don't exactly know how Widmore found the island the first time with the freighter, presumably the same way that Penny did by monitoring for electromagnetic anomalies in the ionosphere. But it is also possible that Eloise gave him the coordinates to help him find the island so the time travellers could finally be put in place.
@StoneBasses
@StoneBasses 2 жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 again, Ben strolled in like he owned the place. Widmore and Ben have extensive intelligence networks of operatives. It's implausible that Widmore didn't know about the station or couldn't access it if he wanted to.
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
As I said, those apparent discrepancies are given an out. Ben claims he did not know about The Lamp Post in actual dialogue and his expression can be read that way when he is shown the room with the others. Whether or not he really knew is left ambiguous. It can be read either way. Ben strolls into every place like he owns it lol. That doesn't mean anything. He fronts. That's what he does. Meanwhile, Widmore was banished before Ben started absorbing off-island DHARMA assets, so it is totally plausible that he did not know about The Lamp Post, at least for some time. It's also possible that Eloise kept him out. It seems she was one of the few people who actually had influence over him due to their past relationship. There are many possibilities. It is absolutely conceivable that both Ben and Widmore did not know about The Lamp Post, as they didn't know about *many* things to do with The Island, as we discover. One of the recurring themes of LOST was to show how little people in positions of power ever really knew.
@juanitajones6900
@juanitajones6900 Жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 And I doubt that Widmore would have been willing to work with Ben in get the Oceanic Six back to the island, unlike Eloise.
@juanitajones6900
@juanitajones6900 Жыл бұрын
@@LOSTEXPLAINED108 I doubt that Ben knew about the Lamp Post station. He doesn't know everything. And during his time as island leader, the Others were relying on the submarine.
@mddi1420
@mddi1420 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Lost exolaine , I will recklessly try again. I ask you some questions questions you still not answer : I hope to 🤞🏾 The link of my questions is in your video named : Time loop. Aloha
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the delay in response. I answered some of your other comments in the past but that first one got lost in the mix. You posted it around a time when there were a lot of comments coming through at the same time. But I have gone back and answered all of those questions. Hope it helps :)
@markus_k
@markus_k 3 жыл бұрын
So... Jughead obviously explodes... shouldn't that mean, that Jack, Juliet and the rest of the group died there? How can they stil be alive? Shouldn't turn a bomb like Jughead the isle literally into shreds???
@LOSTEXPLAINED108
@LOSTEXPLAINED108 3 жыл бұрын
Think of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object. Faraday said detonating a hydrogen bomb would render the energy beneath the island "inert". To render the electromagnetic energy inert, it requires a greater pressure from the outside pushing down to cause the energy to collapse in on itself. The bomb is the catalyst to create this implosion. And it works. Buying enough time to help DHARMA finish constructing The Swan.
@MatiZ815
@MatiZ815 3 жыл бұрын
I read a while ago that when a bomb like this explodes the first wave isn't the blast itself but an electromagnetic one. As we know electromagnetism was the key to time travel in LOST so what probably happened is that the Losties were snatched by the electromagnetic impulse a milisecond before the actual blast. However, I can't verify the legitimacy of the science behind this idea. I just remember seeing someone posting that a while back.
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