I agree but I think they simply don't care. MM is just wired that way and either she's dragged Henry down to her level or we're seeing the real him. Maybe it's both. I just wish they'd disappear and we'd never see or hear from them again. Thank goodness our Beloved late Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh have not witnessed their continuing descent into the sewer. I don't believe for one second they have a happy marriage. How can they when it has been one (self inflicted) drama after another? I think Harry fell in lust and she mistakenly believed she would single-handledy "re-vamp" the Monarchy. That truly displays just how deluded and mentally unstable she is. I continue to pray for The King and The Princess of Wales. May they return to full health soon.

The fact the late Queen said not to use the name again is exactly why Megain used the name. She searches ways to punish those who don't give her what she wants, no matter how ridiculous the demand.

It's my most fervent wish that Her Majesty, the Late Queen Elizabeth II, had said to Hairy "Absolutely _not,_ Henry! *How **_dare_** you even **_suggest_** such a thing!?"* when the spineless wonder announced they'd stolen her pet name. If nothing else, surely his father the then Prince of Wales could've put his foot down and told him in no uncertain terms, that if they dared call the child by HMTLQ's pet name, they would be exiled to an island in the North Sea for the rest of their lives and cut off financially forever and ever amen! I was over 50 when my dear Mama died, and until her dying breath I'd have obeyed such a serious request (or demand!) from her. My children are over 40, and I am still capable of pulling 'rank' on them in certain circumstances. Two of my daughters were feuding for over 2 years - petty, girlish grievances - until I spoke to each of them and (lovingly, calmly, and very firmly) told them that the rest of the family were up to our back teeth with the cattiness and snottiness they displayed at family get togethers. Either behave like polite adults or neither of you will be invited to join us from now on. Of course I also pointed out that their children would likely be missing out on family time, as well. They stopped their silly sh!t and now, they actually call and chat with one another. All it took was a line in the sand from their Matriarch, and they soon realized how much they actually do have in common. Must admit, I didn't see _that_ coming and I take no credit for it, but I'm very grateful it's come to that! However, I did pray for a long while before I made the decision to give them the ultimatum, so I do credit the Holy Spirit with changing their hearts and minds.❤🙏✝🙏❤

They have no morels! No class , no respect!!!

@@MeMyselfAndEyeTeeth I don't think H ever said they were going to call her Lilibet. I have always assumed that the he said something like 'we want to call her after you' and implied it would be Elizabeth.

Indeed. She'll be dearly missed and truly loved until the last of us who grew up during her reign passes away. I honestly believe that. I literally sobbed like a child when she died - and I'm a patriotic old American woman.

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Philip.helped her build up that persona. Basically she was a decent person.

Princess margaret had the nite life and freedom and look how she turned out.. a very spoiled and unhappy person.

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It's funny how a person often doesn't appreciate parents'stories until older. You are lucky❤

How wonderful 😊

Queen Victoria's reign gave a good indication of the longevity possible.SIP .😉

She definitely loved him, and I think he grew to love her, but there are lots of rumours of wandering eyes… in the end he stuck by her and that’s ultimately the most important thing

@graphiquejack rumours that have never been proven...maybe I'm being naive but I'll respectfully disagree - I think he always loved Elizabeth 😍

Not forgetting Mike & Zara Tindall and others 💕

@@jackimuir7393 True but you also have to remember the strata of society that they moved in where it was not uncommon for men (and the women too) to wander. He certainly had particular female friends but the Queen had her male ones. If he did have affairs, he was discreet enough that they were never common knowledge.

@louisetitterton507 "friends" don't have to equal "lovers"...

The diamonds were from the final tiara she still possessed. I believe he designed, himself, a ring & bracelet as his engagement gifts for Elizabeth. The rest of the diamonds were sold by Alice to fund the convent she founded. I don’t get how KK wouldn’t know this.

That’s interesting. I’m wondering if KK had a few biases herself.

@@melbournegirl7oh yes, Kitty Kelley is known for this. She wrote really hurtful and inaccurate things about Nancy Reagan for example.

That is so interesting, thank you... it makes sense. ​@thesubparty1

Thank you! Cheers!

Interesting!

I have wondered about her too. She seems to have been quite a controlling woman.

Wow how wonderful! 🤗💗

Have you read the Gown? So good! 😊

@@Cooksongrl no, I’ll have to look out for it. Thank you 🙂

Blech indeed.

@Polopony Queen Elizabeth wanted Princess Elizabeth to marry an English aristocrat; her particular choice was born to a titled man known to be sterile-KG said absolutely not.

From what I've read, he did have some escapades in the beginning... he was too cool and good looking, in a way. But after a while he did devote himself entirely to her and her reign.

Also interested in the question of penguins 😉

​@@grazynakawka8585...Happy Feet!...the movie...

Absolutely. Princess Marina called the QM 'common' and I'm sure she wasnt the only one.

Great observation! 👍

‘Cookie’ never fully approved of her son in law. I can admire her for her strength during the war, but her pettiness, snobbery and meddling towards the people who married into the family, or wanted to marry in the family, caused a lot of problems later on. Maybe she was self conscious of her own lack of pedigree that she looked down on anyone else who dared to enter the family.

Many have said she had her eye on Prince Edward when she was single but he wasnt interested. If true, then she also wanted to be Queen. I think Bertie genuinely didnt want to be king. But I dont believe the claim that she didnt want to be Queen.

Sadly for the Queen Mother Prince Philip did know his place and his rank. He was a prince by birth and of royal blood. He outranked her from Day 1 and she knew it. I believe that was part of the reason the king demanded Philip give up his titles to marry Elizabeth. Well, the german titles had to go, but the Greek ones i never understood them being taken.

The Queen mother was a snob, and not a very nice person I gather.

Yes, she was a snob. She was envious of the fact that the Mountbatten’s were royals, and she was not herself born of royal blood. Meanwhile she completely failed to help her younger daughter to find an appropriate love match nearer her own age so she wouldn’t be off causing scandals during HMTQ’s reign. Not letting Crawfie marry her beau, then cutting her off after she did a brilliant job with the book about the young princesses, etc. These are mean girl antics!

@@ErinAbouadd to that the travesty of her interference between Charles and Camilla and the arranged marriage between Charles and Diana. Plus her later treatment of Diana.

Yes please Shauna. I looked up some information about her because I happen to live near a street named for her. Fascinating. She managed to learn to speak several languages despite being deaf, suffered schizophrenia in the 1930s, worked selflessly for others in Greece through much of her life. So sad that one of her great grandsons could be the very antithesis.

Yes Excellent idea Fascinating woman

From what I've heard and read, Princess Alice was a formidable character, would be interested to learn more

Agreed!

💯!!! I think Kitty Kelley is more of a gossip monger. She’s gotten several things wrong, like the visit in mid-1939, the war hadn’t started yet, no rationing had yet been implemented.

I have gotten the impression that Kitty is not the most careful and honorable author. But we should examine why she has that reputation.

I remember her reputation not being very good.

Agreed, I don’t think she was a Greek Orthodox nun yet in 1947.

Yes, I'm a bit dubious about our Kitty and her agenda with the RF particularly the Queen mother. The author makes comments about the hypocrisy of the RF when in 1939 they made their state visit to Washington bringing with them huge numbers of dress wear and luggage while implying the poor people of Britain were in rags. That doesn't paint them in a good light and I was so disappointed in them! It was only later when I was reading the comments someone made mention that rationing in Britain didn't start till 1940! I think Kitty Kelly much like Harry could do with a fact checker.

Glad you enjoyed it!

I agree. She makes him sound like a cad who took advantage of then Princess Elizabeth’s feeling. They could not have looked more in love at the beginning, or near the end, when they recreated that famous picture where you could see their love. A candid photo, everyone loved. I remember seeing it framed in peoples ( expats who emigrated to Canada) homes, in the village I lived in as a youngster. I’m only reading it a chapter at a time. I could only get the digital edition.

I don’t think the author knows much about the British royal family or Britain .

@@JM-ni3on I honestly think she’s not a monarchist, whether she realized it led onto the page of this huge tome, I’m not sure.

I agree with you .

They were considered 2nd rate royals.

@@Kasey2957 Right, but second-rate royals are still royal. 👑☺

I think people who disliked Philip liked to use the excuse that his father had been exiled and the Greek monarchy in general dissolved a few times (plus some historical stuff about them being minor nobles who were chosen to become the monarchs of Greece when their royal line died out or became infeasible or something, therefore not "really" royalty). Snobs can invalidate anything.

@@fibanocci314 Yes, definitely snobbishness, mixed with either ignorance or jealousy. Philip's ancestral family tree is very grand.

You’re welcome 😊

Good morning!

Put a note in the book and maybe you'll connect, lol

@@fibanocci314 it’s a digital copy, downloads to the library app on my iPad. I’m hoping if someone from Cornwall Ontario in Canada see it and confirms. Each time my times up there’s one person waiting, then I put my name on the wait list, and 14 days later I get it again but one Erwin is always waiting. Just one. Might be a coincidence but I like the idea of connecting through a nice woman’s book podcast, in Australia.

@wendieking4184 Ah. Best of luck then. (I lived in Ontario, near Kitchener, years ago, but I know that's not helpful in this situation.) Maybe put your location more prominently in your original comment?

Thank you x

When I was young, my parents took me to a full-feature movie of Elizabeth's coronation, at a drive-in movie place. It was so long I fell asleep. When I see the picture of little Charles sagging onto the rail, I have real sympathy for him. No stretching out on the back seat for him!

Don't feel bad. See the comment above. And I have done it too. 😂 We just can't wait for Shauna!! 🤩 Happy Weekend!

@@NadineWilliamsNadege 😂😂😂 I'm cooking and listening now lolol it's my addiction these stories they are greatly read by Shauna 👋👋👍🤣❤

@@grainnelambert881 enjoy both! 😚 Shauna is a delight! 😊

@@NadineWilliamsNadege she sure is 👋

Agree on all points. That's why I wasn't in favor of reviewing this book, too much misinformation and twists toward the tawdry. But, as ever, yea Shauna!

Yes, she is not well-regarded for being a meticulous researcher.

I think in one of the documentary that philip proposed 20 years old Elizabeth in Balmoral castle in 1946 and king reluctantly said yes and told them to keep their Engagement secret until Elizabeth turn 21. One of the documentary also say that though at 1st King George VI and his mother Queen Mary were sure about Philip but after wedding philip had won them over.

Would he have had the HRH from a foreign country whose monarchy had dissolved and his branch of the family particularly exiled? I can at least see the argument for why he doesn't "deserve" it, though I suspect it was actually much more influenced by the Queen Mother's personal issues and by advisors' problems with his Nazi connections. Poor dear Philip.

Oh, I think Commoners who have families understand.😉

@@fibanocci314 I agree the family Nazi connections would have been a serious issue at the time and understandably so. I think most deposed royal houses carry on using their titles even after their own country no longer recognises them. I imagine there were protocol issues since a male consort can't be a King, not 'even' being HRH would rank him too low down the list. I was never a fan of Philip's, but at least he never pretended to be someone he wasn't.

Snap! I thought that too, but I believe that was actually a later occasion… the funeral of King George VI OR the coronation? I will check! 😊💗

​@@thevintageread princess Alice wore pretty royal purple colour dress on the occasion of her son's wedding and she wore nun's clothes on Queen's coronation.

You are right Shauna, Phillips mother did wear a dress to the wedding, google, lovely images photos of all the royal family and bridal party.

I don’t think she’d become a nun yet at the time of the wedding.

Think you saw her at the Corination dressed this way.

My pleasure 😊

Would have been scandalous 😂😂

I asked about this in a Reddit thread and was called out on it. The Brits in the group all said that it was fabricated by Fast Eddie and Wallis. Lacy C said she could have been part of a surrogate arrangement, but the group also said that Lacy C is better to write romance fiction.

And explains a lot in relation to the Queen Mother’s attitudes due to the stigma of illegitimacy in those times.

I am part of a royal family reddit group. I brought this up and it made the Brits angry. They said the illegitimate claim was made up by "Fast Eddie and Wallis" This is where their nick name "Cookie" came from. Lady C insinuated that she was a surrogate child. The Reddit group said this was also completely wrong and that Lady C was a Historical Romance Fiction author. I learned that was not a subject to bring up.

Thank you so much!

Thank you so much!!

Not sure automatically is the right word, but certainly conventionally.

I think you are correct

Yes I did! I have used it as a reference sometimes too. I felt a great deal of sympathy for Crawfie!