He loves him. He's just too prideful to admit it

And god can just uncreate Lucifer and he know that if he pisess god off god will destroy him or just uncreate him so Lucifer has alot of respect for god

Yep, he isn't.

Ye he only on hiatus

how can you be so sure?

@@FinalFlashUniverse It has been confirmed, and he is omnipotent.

@@amortality999 oh thanks

Dr manhattan vs All version's of Hulk Lols

@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 didn't you already answer that on BannerIncrediblehulk full analysis about hulk vs green lantern and stated "dr manhattan instantly kills hulk. Not even a fight"

@@brothersofwrath4785 Don't recall I've been banned on that channel for a long time

@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 why?

@@brothersofwrath4785 Because he's a Hulk fanboy and he got mad when I checked him in a debate

Well the presence made him as intelligent as itself...

Overrated trash

Lmao this comment is gold

Lmao, Gabriel never kill god. Even Lucifer doesn't call him his father.

Spoilers but god brainwashed Gabriel into using Azazel's sword on him and Lucifer (in which why he injured while talking to Gabriel). In which god comes back corrupted later

Sorry that wasn't god, even Lucifer tell you might have power of him in you but you are not my father, even author confirms it himself. I don't have the link, but that thing already got debunk author himsel. So nope from

Lucifer himself doesn't even call that thing his father, so nope.

Because writers and humans in general are bad grasping non regarding human minds, specially superior beings. And because it's easier to introduce cosmic level powers than to be consistent or plausible on their effects.

well, no, i don't think so. I mean, at the beginning, the Presence had lots to do but now that everything is in place, i don't see what he could do. And even if he had, it wouldn't take long to do considering omnipotence.

It represents carelessness among angels and archangels like Lucifer and Gabriel. They have been alive for so SO SOO long. Eventually their interests and goals begin to wear out and they just kinda want to live in peace.

Greetings my friend !

@@FernandoComicsOfficial Fernando please continue this arc, its really good

@@FernandoComicsOfficial Part two please

@@jcam4071 I don’t know if DC ever finished this story.

They are a lot better in DC Norse is better in marvel tbh

DC cosmology is a based around the Judeo Christian religion. Marvel cosmology isn't based on any religion (Actually judeo Christian religion exists in marvel. But it's still another pantheon in many) . Also DC Norse gods are close to their mythological counterparts while marvel Norse gods are treated more like regular superheroes.

I like marvel cosmology more than that of DC. But they fall short at making good stories. That's why many liked DC comics over Marvel. Marvel has the potential to create very good quality stories based on their cosmology.

i like a lot more Marvel's cosmology, exactamente porque NO se basa en ninguna mitología, eso les da muchísima más apertura.

Thank you Panos ! I definitely will !

This isn't his work. I put it into a video, yes, but it's from the Sandman comics which belongs in DC Universe.

Thanks Ricky!

Exactly..it just transformed.. and needed an external agent for that

What Happen i don't understand can you pls explain me

@@kyashix9561 They think the presence is dead. So they fight together but stopped then Lucifer and Gabriel will discover who killed GOD(Presence)

@@Alpha-User01 and who was?

@@johanne8260 DEBUNKING: "The Presence died in Lucifer Vol. 2" Yahweh never made an appearance in Holly Black's sequel of the original Lucifer 2000 (by Mike Carey), and the New God in Vol. 2 wasn't really him like some claim. Evidence: - At the end of the first volume, Yahweh was out in the Void with Lucifer after granting Elaine power over all of creation in his departure. plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/d2vvsPdAfSs (Note that this book ended in 2006) He then returned in Phantom Stranger's New 52 series (In a Non corporeal sense). vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/a/a0/The_Voice_Prime_Earth_002.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20131119002546 3.bp.blogspot.com/-5QBXFfIqmaQ/UwCWlfoLF2I/AAAAAAAAMd4/0oOrh10vJRk/s1600/-016.jpg 4.bp.blogspot.com/-unTbMRMXDfc/UwCWlsDb_zI/AAAAAAAAMeA/nzlwRECnIG0/s1600/-017.jpg Still Omnipotent, like Mike Carey's interpretation 4.bp.blogspot.com/-lOSFyqjiYWo/UwCaLeC3R-I/AAAAAAAAMtw/FTokA-8UKzk/s1600/-002.jpg Was even able of reviving Phantom Stranger, who had been wiped out of existence by Zauriel 4.bp.blogspot.com/-s2KnD-bNCK4/UwCaijm-7BI/AAAAAAAAMwg/vcMD7UuI05A/s1600/-001.jpg 1.bp.blogspot.com/-G43kUW1n91E/UwCai0vRm-I/AAAAAAAAMwk/nVTp9XYpAF4/s1600/-002.jpg 1.bp.blogspot.com/-hPl1_mxBAhI/UwCajr26P8I/AAAAAAAAMws/VWQX1YSJ4N4/s1600/-003.jpg 4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ko98r2DFsVY/UwCakKoET-I/AAAAAAAAMw0/i0dIDRQ8Nz0/s1600/-004.jpg Misconception: In Holly Black's sequel, It's said that the Presence was killed (by Gabriel) and was remade into a New God, who wants to remake creation in his image plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604772620443778?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604771600487186?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604772520436786?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ > This is the 1st point that confirms this isn't the real Presence*, because the OG didn't want to return to his creation. He gave it away. And even if he wanted to have it back, he would have the power to, due to his Omnipotence. plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/Rypa2J3eDuf plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/d2vvsPdAfSs plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/3Tfmwwf8FEp This version of "Yahweh" isn't Omnipotent like the original, and is inferior to Elaine 3.bp.blogspot.com/-zOJNG2WmyD4/WPg5-zGVjGI/AAAAAAADXL8/-Yb9wSeEuQsQp6iomyAwVj1C77v9YYgmwCLcB/s1600/026_010.jpg > Yet Elaine was never above the original Yahweh, she admitted it herself in the 1st volume plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/d2vvsPdAfSs This New God was weakened, and needed healing from lesser Angels plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6432719832301716081/6432719830967708690?authkey=CPCuncnY9em7fw plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6432719832301716081/6432719828491721730?authkey=CPCuncnY9em7fw What doesn't make any sense is that the New God manipulated Gabriel in stabbing/weakening him plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604773641335634?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604771100168946?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ And later, Gabriel fought off his mind manipulation plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604771851478114?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604774756872930?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ Lucifer states that his Father is Omnipotent plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604773948723314?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ But repeatedly this New God being his Father. plus.google.com/photos/106379276228185038785/album/6382604766769137969/6382604774756872930?authkey=CLDpwPi827-DZQ 2.bp.blogspot.com/-P11XiYRB4Xo/WPg5_rtjFfI/AAAAAAADXMI/rkmse89tPx0XywnNgJRVZKpJF_obC7T1gCLcB/s1600/026_013.jpg 1.bp.blogspot.com/-bGacCRHmH-Q/WPg6R1WGJ1I/AAAAAAADXRI/hK5VUm2-7w0tK1uz-LT_20W3DyEl7w_TwCLcB/s1600/030_002.jpg To quote +fingerprint 1201 (he blocked me): "He's saying that in the sense that he doesn't cliam him as his father." That is entirely false. Lucifer has always acknowledged the fact that the Presence is his Father. plus.google.com/u/0/photos/101249654697152237430/album/6442494170027732081/6442494176944511314?authkey=CMKAv9al6JuhLQ&sqid=104086457968694500201&ssid=8f18449b-c3e4-49f2-b602-3dd051187ecc ^ Lucifer accepts that the Presence is his maker/ father. He also says that he knows he is weaker than him. plus.google.com/u/0/photos/101249654697152237430/album/6442494170027732081/6442494176488954498?authkey=CMKAv9al6JuhLQ&sqid=104086457968694500201&ssid=8f18449b-c3e4-49f2-b602-3dd051187ecc ^ Again, Lucifer states that the Presence is his Father and maker. Here, he is mad at the fact that his father manipulated him plus.google.com/u/0/photos/101249654697152237430/album/6442494170027732081/6442494175826995474?authkey=CMKAv9al6JuhLQ&sqid=104086457968694500201&ssid=8f18449b-c3e4-49f2-b602-3dd051187ecc > And in this scan, Lucifer directly call Yahweh, "Father" when he was spoken to.. plus.google.com/u/0/photos/101249654697152237430/album/6442494170027732081/6442494175648162242?authkey=CMKAv9al6JuhLQ&sqid=104086457968694500201&ssid=8f18449b-c3e4-49f2-b602-3dd051187ecc He didn't deny his Father because of a temper tantrum. Lucifer has known his Father for Eons of years, his entire story is centered around him and his Dad In those scans, Lucifer implies that he can't kill his father if he wanted to plus.google.com/u/0/101249654697152237430/posts/3Tfmwwf8FEp Vol. 2 issue 19: Lucifer kills the fake Yahweh with the ashes of Gabriel's heart and the sword from Eden 3.bp.blogspot.com/-CUSNq88hnSE/WVO_0Bwby8I/AAAAAAAERLk/FWsy9gL-I5YbWiSQB6mWOkHs-1e78wM7gCLcBGAs/s1600/031_010.jpg 2.bp.blogspot.com/-J7HgKmWaEDI/WVO_0XN-XmI/AAAAAAAERLo/Wjl23F94iiYnKaOt3_g6TZ5Bv_2H0L7LQCLcBGAs/s1600/031_011.jpg 1.bp.blogspot.com/-wQvV-riGLX8/WVO_1Amak8I/AAAAAAAERL0/YuTsCHmQ3ggJ1fmOpmKpgohHtXu0qg0pACLcBGAs/s1600/031_015.jpg 4.bp.blogspot.com/--mnU7OyMY7k/WVO_1WUeDII/AAAAAAAERL8/doC2QVoriR0gfXX-YRljHxbXNySzv6GGACLcBGAs/s1600/031_016.jpg 4.bp.blogspot.com/--mnU7OyMY7k/WVO_1WUeDII/AAAAAAAERL8/doC2QVoriR0gfXX-YRljHxbXNySzv6GGACLcBGAs/s1600/031_016.jpg If Lucifer was capable of killing his Father as simple as that, he wouldn't have wasted literal eons doing anything else, but. Point Being: The real Presence isn't dead.

Who

@@michaeldemiurgos1387 the presence

@@Alpha-User01 presence isn't omnipotent

@@michaeldemiurgos1387 The Presence. More like DC's version of God

Luchifer

thank you for the heart

What comic book is this?

@@johnetheridge5833 it's vertigo i think i maybe don't know the name of the story clearly and about the presence death he wasn't really dead and actully who killed him is gabriel not lucifer but lucifer was with them both when this happend but if you want the clear name of the story i will search about it but please just give me time to find it and thanks a lot

@@johnetheridge5833 Lucifer... the second series (the first one is way way way better)

@@tiagodagostini Third is better, too. But first is still the best.

Yes of course !

@@FernandoComicsOfficial Thank you

For sure !

​@@FernandoComicsOfficialwhere is our part 2, its been 4 years

LMFAOOOOOO Deadasss

Just go to Readcomicsonline and type in Lucifer, It should bring up all his comic series, He's also in the "Sandman" issues of comics so type that in as well, it's an awesome read

The presence isnt even the strongest DC character

@@windblade8303 So your comic book expert now what a joke

@@indyphillipconner6252 Nah thats more towards you The presence isnt the strongest DC character that role goes to the fictional writer entity even the presence himself says he was shaped by other forces

@@windblade8303 yeah but dc can make god look weak or all mighty but I don't think anything or anyone can hurt presence psychically unless DC writes it that way not even superman can beat presence he is god in dc

Where can I read please

Readcomiconline lucifer mornigstar

I will Ben !

It's "Lucifer" from the 2016 series I believe

@@FernandoComicsOfficial thanks

That would be...a twist lol :)

Lol:)

Google Readcomiconline lucifer mornigstar

It's from "Lucifer" (2016) :)

Thanks to you both :)

It's semi new, yeah. From 2016 !

Yea

well, the netflix series about lucifer is way different than the original lucifer comics, and this is why they didnt choose Tom Ellis as the main actor in the new serie that is upcoming

@@marlos6491 New Série ?

Nah kratos is nothing to the presence

Very bad joke bro

RIGHT BRO HE IS MENTAL

When Kratos killeds Helios the entire world turned into destruction and he and all died. only one survived and created a whole new world. a whole new universe

Vertigo

DC/Vertigo. This particular series is "Lucifer(2016)

Read Comics Online, then just search Lucifer. He also appears in Sandman so search for that comic as well in the websites search engine

Lucifer 2016

DC

Song= In flames digital daggers

Yes it's Lucifer from the 2016 series !

There is absolutely nothing in common between awful series and the great comics

@@tiagostein4057 why would be so worse the series?

@@tec-6tec-662 The lucifer in the series is an ego maniac narcisit, with a very very shallow personality that wastes his time doing useless things like solving crimes just because he wants to have sex with the detective.. The comics are about the prime creation of god, the first living thing... he is older than death.. therefore he cannot die... the most intelligent and wise and powerful creature in the multiverse.. the guy that created every single star and planet.. yet he almost never uses violence.. he NEVER EVER LIES.. yet he makes people and gods do as he wishes... with his cunning. A being that is faster than the flash... but takes a bus to get to a specific place.. because.. well why would a being as old as the multiverse hurry ?.. he might take the time to watch the sun and the clouds by the window.. or maybe talk to an old lady... His desire is to step out of gods plan.. he wants freedom and have a deep sense of honor and respect for anyone seeking freedom. He is not a shallow character that suffer from human vices... he is above good and evil. Yet they made a story that is deeply involving and that you want to know what happens next every single page...

@@tiagodagostini yes i know he's more mature in the comics. Still in the series he doesn't "waste his time", he's just trying to be human-like cause the human world is his home. Paradise wasn't his home, hell was just his work place

man, Lucifer Morningstar is just from "Dc comic-Vertigo".Marvel has nothing like it.

In the description. It's called "In Flames" By Digital Daggers

It's a comic not a magazine

@@naikeze4817 I mean I want like that papers

He never lies

@@unbothereddavo4217 Agreed

That's the thing with DC/Vertigo Lucifer. He never lies. That's the ironic part about his characterisation in DC. He would never lie because he finds it beneath him to do so

He's not omnipotent. He died in this series

The Presence is the only omnipotent being of the celestials.

It’s called Lucifer

Cosmic Armor can. He exists beyond the Monitor Sphere

@@fatehvirthakur4840 moniter wank. Lucifer have shaped all concept and have trancend all of DC composite cosmology. He has presence authority and is infintely higher than the dreem of endless.

@@godking1257 it's not a wank grant Morisson stated himself that thought robot is story itself meaning he can beat anyone he have plot manipulation he would just change the plot to his favor and GG. He is way beyond The Presence and the Angels

@@santhiendomail905 you know the thought robot died and was beyond repair?

@@godking1257 that's basically the ending of the story since he defeated the Dark Monitor besides both Superman and ultraman wanted to go back to their universe CAS is immortal btw he can comeback whenever or wherever he want

Song= In flames digital daggers

In flames by Digital Daggers is the song, Issue # is Lucifer #1 from the series Lucifer (2016)

@@FernandoComicsOfficial thanx man

In DC.. there is the presence.. the creator of the multiverse... that lies inside the overvoid (a field of infinite nothingness but with infinite possibilities.. that spawned an infinite being as the presence). The presence created multiverses... on the last iteration he created jsut the multiverse empty.. and created 3 archons.. Michael, Samael (lucifer) and Gabriel... Michael creates energy at will inifitenly.. samael can shape everything in the mutliverse.. so he shapes energy into matter and matter into stars.. etc.. Gabriel can bring life. After life was created.. the 7 Endless started to appear.. Detiny, Death, Dream, Destruction, Desire,Despair,Delight. The living beings believe and dream of gods... so gods start o appear as part of Dream (the endless). All pantheons and other gods are spawns of Dream (sandman) or are just physical powerful beings. The endless are above gods... the archons are above the endless.. and the presence above the archons.

Tiago D'Agostini ah thanks I still need to read sandman.

@@tiagodagostini The void did not "spawned an infinite being as the presence". The void is "The Presence" since, in Lucifer #75, The void and "The Presence" are described respectively "infinite" and "eternal". In addition, the concept of the Overvoid is that it is an entity beyond contradictions. The Overvoid is therefore God and The Source in one and the same entity.

@@y.n9264 That is incredbily dubious... the presence itself says it is shaped.. and it is itself IN The void not the void itself. A simple proof of that, is the beast.. that is another being that is a counterpart of the presence.. also originated from the overvoid infinity of possibilities. The presence is all in the multiverse it created.. Within one infinity you can have several infinities within it... The rpesence itself at end of lucifer says lucifer will be free from the presence in the void.. so the void is NOT the presence.. (yet i am one that doe snot agree with settign the overvoid as a character.. it does not work well in the view of the monitors... it works best at vertigo view of a concept of infinity of everything... and of nothing)

​@@tiagodagostini As author Mike Carey said: We create our gods, in our own image. Meaning that we create the shape of these entities according to our belief system. It is a concept that has been put forward in The Sandman, in which the Dream of the Endless takes different forms depending on the person's belief. So we don't create these entities, but what they look like according to our belief system. In Mike Carey Lucfier run, the Presence did not assert that he is in The Void. The Void and The Presence are the same entity since the latter asserts to Lucifer that he is "eternal" and "infinite", which is The Void. Moreover, it is the opposite according to the words of DeMatteis, who asserts that The Void is inside God. It's not proof : in Alan Moore Swamp Thing run, the opposite of the Great Evil is none other than the light when God pronounced: let there be light. Moreover, the Shadowland is a dimension of the Great Evil created as a result of this word. The Great Evil lost its nature because of the light before God gave it back through an aspect of light in order to form with the Great Evil, the darkness, the yin-yang. Meaning that light and darkness are complementary to each other. Since you mention the Overvoid, Grant Morrison stated, in Inside the Mind of Grant Morrison - IGN, that God, The Source and Overvoid are beyond such duality. Finally, " The rpesence itself at end of lucifer says lucifer will be free from the presence in the void.. so the void is NOT the presence.." is not a point since "The Presence" stated that, in Lucifer #75, it uses aspects to interact with his creation. So The Presence in Lucifer #75 is only one aspect.

presence didn't die he cheated both of them . they later on discovered presence is still alive.

Exactly

Yes

Loosely

Only the name of the character and the fact that he has severed his wings at the start of the series.. absolutely NOTHIGN else after that.

@@tiagodagostini It's 100% the same person. Just a different take on him due to it being live action version. He's more true to the comic version than a lot of people give credit for. He would rather use his mind and intellect than his actual powers. Same way his comic version rarely uses his abilities even though he could literally warp reality as he see's fit on a whim he would rather manipulate and use his intelligence than use his actual powers because that would be too easy and boring for him. That's how I view the TV show version. Has the same powers but just doesn't use them because it's too easy

@@jpf7942 His personality is to vain and feeble inthe series (At least inthe first season that was the only one I dared to watch)

@@tiagodagostini Yeah his personality is slightly different but there's points in the show where he looks all somber and nonchalant while drinking or playing the piano which is his personality in the comics. Season 2 he sliced a hole in reality with a blade and gave the goddess of creation her own universe to rule. It's implied Lucifer created that universe specifically for her to rule because it was a void and at the time she was about to explode with light. He obviously manipulates that energy and for her own universe. He's got the power but just doesn't flaunt it because there'd be no point of having a show if he solved every single problem with a gesture

Yes and the presence only trolling

Elaine Belloc, yes....

Yes but she gave up also and retired to her own reality. Lucifer goes to meet her in this series. She has so much power she doesn't know what to do with it so she does nothing but sit around in her own reality she created

Great dark beast is essentially equal to the presence , it’s like the opposite side sort of like how Lucifer is opposite to Michael

Eddie D But Lucifer is stronger than Michael.

@@YoungboyNeverPipedABitch they are equal

GEB is the Presence, Two sides of the same coin.

@@Angel-wt1bh Dream of the endless said Lucifer is the strongest after the Presence.

In DC/Vertigo comics Lucifer isn't Evil, he's only viewed that way by Humans. He's neutral. Neither Bad or Good

According to this comic, something in the void. This was supposedly the dark presence.

@Animeverse i know, only a joke my friend :-D

I'm not sure where he is...he's not dead to my knowledge.

He's dead

Stop Breathing how ??michael is the most powerful angel

@@chaosflame7278 God gave up and left creation and because of that Lucifer and Michael were losing their powers and were severely weakened. This led to Fenris the Norse God of destruction taking control of Lucifer making him attack Michael. Michael was wounded fatally and was dying. The power within Michael would destroy all of the DC Multiverse upon his death but Lucifer managed to transfer all of Michael's power and energy which is called the (Dunamis Demiergos) which is Gods Power into Michaels Daughter Elaine effectively making her God ooof the whole DC Multiverse

@@chaosflame7278 Also in DC and Vertigo, Lucifer is the most powerful Arch Angel. He's second only to God

Wtf are you smoking ?

Chill out, dude he didn't actually die he was only testing his children.