It is like the Boltons have killed and skinned Winterfell, and now they are wearing the skin of the Starks, to steal their power!

Two hearts that beat as one, agony and ecstasy. Visenya the cold hearted warrior and Rhaenys the warm. Nissa Nissa warm and the nights queen cold. Melisendra the fire priestess and Selyse the dispassionate. Fire and ice. Agony and ecstasy, their voices combining to make a song.

"Don't pile on I'm sensitive about it" half way through a Bong rip and I laugh cough ejected it across my shed 😅

Every time they mention "Two Hearts That Beat as One" in the books I can't help but hear the chorus to "Two of Hearts" by Stacy Q 😂

Damn, Tim really stepped up his mythical astrology

23:56 HOLY CRAP. Tim called it!! He predicted the outcome of the villains tourney!!

every time he rips the bong he comes back "hold on i just had a thought" i love it!

Intriguing parallels of Jeyne Poole taking the persona of Arya while Arya is taking on other personas as well like the Boltons taking on skins.

The name Frey seems to draw inspiration from the goddess Freya, known for fertility. And they are very fertile. Also GRRM's love for comics and Frigga (sometimes called Freyja) appearing in Marvel Comics. Additionally fray can mean to unravel like a threadbare tapestry or cloth. Which essentially means shredded and if Wyman cooked them into pies, they were more than likely shredded like pulled pork. (Their family coming undone) Finally, A common rite for modern Freya worshippers is to bake foods that have some connection to love in one way or another, such as chocolate. Manderly seems to be baking with hate by using human meat instead of ingredients with connection to love.

Uuuuugh,Jeyne thinking,"I'll never call anyone horse face again!!!Your revenge power is too powerful,Arya!!!Turn it off!!!"

I had the voice actor's voice for Ramsay during rereads but Tim's version of Ramsay is more chilling, it sounds a little like Roose but more commanding. It gave me shivers. Poor Jeyne and Theon. I dare not imagine how Arya would have handled that. She was terrified of Clegane when he was torturing people and same with the Tickler so I guess she would be scared too and listen to Theon's advices like Jeyne did. Anyway let's put that thought away before having nightmares. The stream was amazing. You guys are a great team. I learn so much from you so thank you for this. The Frey pies part always make me laugh, I know it's terrible but 😂

I was thinking how much I like the chapter read streams - it's all the good mythical astronomy chats and symbolism stuff, but it is also really nice being read to :)

Nothing like a Frey pie with a side of Jojen paste… mmm mmm mmm!

The stream Noone saw coming..Wyman is the best! Thank yall for the stream. Much appreciated brothers.

All the talk about names and there meanings got me curious ..so my first name is Ryan (little king) and my last name is frennette (French for ash tree) so ...little king ash tree I think I might be able to do magic now😮

Thank you for these! Love the read-throughs. Poor Jane.

It is like the hole moist godswood is under water. A watery hall. Watery hell.

Just reread this chapter. It’s so full of symbolism and intrigue. Manderly is great comic relief too. I just love Dance.

Great handling of such a gut wrenching chapter, but fantastic job by the both of you on the reread. Can't wait for the moat cailin video on tuesday!

Maybe the Greenmen learned stonemasonry from their forced mingling with the Squishers! Wasn't it your theory that the Squishers build the mazes in Lorath?

2:32:17 RE: Ser Duncan the Tall and reading; Do we suppose he ever is taught the letters and learns to read? Is it even mentioned in the Knight of the Seven Kingdoms trilogy of Egg teaching him to read? Excellent stream per usual guys! Really like this chapter and agree totally; it's loaded with meaty text and great characters to have a voice (Barbrey Dustin, paramount among them)

The GOAT Moat Cailin vid is coming like winter 🎉

Thank you guys! Respectfully handled!

1:40:13 VERY seamless transition. I think Nimble Dick is just an alternate personality at this point. Kinda like Reading Rhaegar 😂 I can’t believe you haven’t been cast in some sort of GOT show yet. Between you and @GirlNettles there’s just so much potential

God, Ramsay is sick. At least with Euron he's the type you love to hate and he's a villain you enjoy reading and it's interesting. Ramsay is not like that whatsoever. Bro is so disturbing it's chilling to read any chapters he's in. Idk how to describe the different level of horror Ramsay brings but he for sure evokes feelings of disgust and fear that's different to characters like Euron or Joffrey

"Rickon is the key to being liberated". Skaagosi are "cannibals". The houses have squisher references. "being liberated" might really be as you suggest, only available for skinchangers, who can "eat" (read: sacrifice) their bonded animal to be freed? idk but there's somethere there I think.

Amazing stream. Great depth and sensitivity with this Chapter. Nice work guys.

Argh missed this live, the chat was 🔥🔥🔥. Dave, Tim you've done it again an'other amazing stream

you could say that in a sense both theon and jeyne have died, in the sense of ego death, having lost their identities due to extreme trauma. so they are now in an underworld of sorts. it is winterfell, but everything has changed, and they have also changed.

Wish I had some pie while listening to this chapter lol

Random thought alert but whenever I hear Styx's Renegade and it's the part in the chorus like "hangman is coming down from the gallows..." i always always hear it as "mannis" as in Stannis the mannis and now Stannis and Renegade by Styx are inexorably linked in my mind

Great stream ty GWT and LML!

Another amazing stream! I really like the idea that the wall is built on black stone that is petrified tree, since it really enforced the 79 sentinels, as trees packed with ice. I did have a thought about the black oily stone v. weirwood turning to stone, and that that maybe the two moons controlled the "tides" of two different "streams"...aka one the actual tides which the squishers with their undersea black trees would care about, and one for the greenseeing tides of the weirwoods. If the darker moon was hit by the comet then maybe that wood petrified quicker than it would have usually. I'm extremely excited for the moat cailin video!!!! I kinda hope you explain the name, since cailin means girl, so it's the girl moat. Is it referencing that Nissa Nissa is effectively diking the greensea?

Stoked YT is recommending these to me lately!!

Your content is always fire! Also love Tim!

so, man, I had to bail on this stream. I’ve read these books 8 times now, but for some reason I couldn’t listen to the Reek and fArya voices without feeling uneasy. my head just isn’t in the right place. It has me kinda bummed. Y’all are the best! can’t wait for the Moat Cailin video.

I'll be watching the rewatch as I was at my son's place I look forward to it

Another excellent vid, good job LML! Keep em 'comin! With regards to your comment about how a lot of the symbolism seems to suggest two wives for AA, could it be that NN/Amethyst Empress and the Bloodstone Emperor's tiger wife were in-fact two separate women? Perhaps the latter is the woman who became the Corpse Queen and it is she who resides in whatever structure (probably a castle) is built around the frozen weirwood garden that is probably in the Heart Of Winter. With regards to NN/ Amethyst Empress examining Elden Ring (which GRRM was heavily involved in writing) I suspect provides some clues, at the very end of the game you go inside a tree into a strange plane or realm and find a badly abused and sort of decaying woman who was once a great queen that IMO is similar to the Amethyst Empress from ASOIAF backstory chained up before you have to fight her male half who upon defeat has this black oily creature with draconic symbolism that is decorated in stars and looks (IMO a little phallic) emerge from his body. Returning to ASOIAF I think NN has been trapped inside the WWNet this whole time and is being kept there by the AA hivemind which, along with the once glorious green castle of spring and summer that used to be there (I recall you mentioning something like this in your AA invading WWNet video that has you analysing the chapter where Renly is assassinated by the shadow baby) has been corrupted by the black stone and will probably be represented on the astral plane as a gigantic black 3 headed dragon with scales that look like thousands of black stones, or to put it another way, to restore the balance the heroes need to rescue a maiden locked up inside a tower guarded by an evil dragon in a hellish underworld after crossing through a veil at the far edge of the world. Said defeat IMO is likely to be a prerequisite for Bran to download this hivemind in order to get it out of the WWNet, maybe it's him who has to do this, he wanted to be a knight before he fell off the tower after all, maybe he gets a chance to do it just once. Lmk what you think

The same concept of becoming a becoming a werewolf by skinning one, first appears in Martins "In the Lost Lands". And it will be a movie soon. "In the Lost Lands is based on a short story of the same name which Martin published in 1982 as part of DAW Books’ Amazons II anthology. It’s a fantasy story about Gray Alys, a marauding sorceress who could procure the denizens of her fantasy world anything they might wish…for a dangerous price. As the opening line of In the Lost Lands reads, “You can buy anything you might desire from Gray Alys. But it is better not to.”

High quality awesomness as always Good Sers! 🤘🐺🔥🌱💨💚

All the songs Lord Manderly proposes have a double meaning. "The Night that ended" I bet the bride would like that. And then "Brave Dany Flint" a girl in disguise that was raped and murdered. So we can all weap.

Brilliant as always! Thanks!

Great to see the two of you rocking it together again!

Thank you 🙏🏻 LML & GreyWasteTim for Teaming again to share an Awesome video!🙂Happy new Year to both of You Guys!🙋🏼‍♀️🇨🇦👌🏻👌🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻

It's an ice day for a wight wedding.

Can’t wait for the rewatch since I missed a lot of it live!

Lady Alayne is clearly an eastereggification of Lady Elaine from Mr. Rogers Neighborhood. Does no one remember the Land Of Make-Believe?

David, I loved your reference to Princess Bride. A big influence on my life and I’d love to listen to your full opinion on the movie one day

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Yum, Frey pie 🤤

Great streams lately with GWT! IMO, the squisher lore and Nimble Dick character is something that is entertaining and has a lot of developed lore around it and deeper you could go. I get that it may get too much sometimes or people wanting moon-meteor lore may not dig it. Maybe we can get weekly or bi-monthly 1 hour nimble dick streams. It would allow you to get crazy with the character and continue the lore and character you've been building in a confined and stated period of time. I don't know, I'd just hate to lose our on ND, but I get why that may not be a good idea for the channel to go full blown Qanon-squisher

In "The Skin Trade" ... *spoiler warning * * ... there are also a Lovcraftean horror that need blood sacrifice, called The Skinner. Just like one of Ramsey's boys.

superb content... thank you LML and GWT.

Squatters could mean Children of the Forest. They are also smallfolk, which could implie the same thing.

another amazing stream!

I still have thoughts on the three horns. I'm working on a theory that builds onto yours about Euron blowing the horn of winter and the horn of Joramond making a reappearance.

Sometimes I forget how intense the story gets. Reading it out loud is so different. I wonder if the audiobooks are super intense. I've reread the Song 3-4 times over the years. Maybe I should listen to it. Much love, y'all both did wonderful work. Tim the Teddy Bear whips out a genuinely scary Ramsey, make sure to finish the video!

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Does the petrification process of *Weirwood trees have any implications to Grayscale. Maybe a Children of the Forest bio-weapon? Since victims go feral.

Wow you neglected to read the best part of my favorite chapter in all the books. Thanks David.

I think it's this video you mentioned Dany hearing a wolf howling, signifying Jon - when Tyrion talks with Jon on the Wall about Benjen Stark a wolf howls from the north.

Thank you 😊🎉

Is there any way Nissa Nissa is in the WWnet rather than Azor Ahai? When you were talking about Ygritte melting into the pool, just made me wonder. And when you were speaking about the sarcophagus being of Azor Ahai, I wondered well, wouldn't the source of the Others be a Mother? Couldn't it be Nissa Nissa's angry spirit in the sarcophagus? Also, later you spoke about Lightbringer being a stand-in for the WWnet and so I wondered about "Lightbringer's" forging being samesame with like the original dragon bonding, where AA's tryna create some sorta magical hybrid by sacrifing NN and pushing her spirit into the trees.

Re-listening the next day always makes my Monday commute easier, thanks for more great content gents 🤙🏼

Baelish Character stream when? :O

Have you ever thought that the Sansa/Prince Joffrey/Arya scene is a retelling of the Lyanna and Prince Rhaegar seduction? She starts off as Sansa, invited, charmed and happy. She drinks more than she ever has. Invited to recline on pillows in the wheelhouse without windows. She becomes Arya struggling in muddy riding leathers, thrown against the tree and ground. Naked steel. The sword goes into the pond. An interruption, a rock thrown, the Princes head is covered in blood, the horse runs away. After the Prince opens his eyes and they're filled with loathing and contempt....and all the talk of White Cloaks who have to stand by or assist in sexual assaults...Theon almost broke. If Rhaegars true nature came out and Lyanna tried to escape Rhaegar would have ordered Arthur to watch her, retrieve her, guard her, hold her. Rhaegar never would have been able to catch her and subdue her, but Arthur would. Eventually Arthur Dayne would have broke his vows and helped Lyanna..but before that in defiance she may have begged Arthur to impregnate her first so that she wouldn't have Rhaegars baby.

Awesome stream! Last night bro!

Does anyone have any ideas of where Jeyne Poole was after shit hit the fan in KL? She was removed from the room she shared with Sansa and doesn’t reappear until ADWD. VARYS? LF?

I think his few archetype characters really is GRRM using those archetypes as a sort of mnemonic device that helps him keep the characters' thematic backstory organized. Does that make sense?

25:32 Wow…. This is powerful language. When I was about 17 years old, I actually had a man tell me “just sit there and look pretty.” I was like… what?!? And he was being absolutely serious. Looking back- the 90’s were wild. Thinking about the age of consent, gender roles, etc- we have come a long way in the last 30 years. My father tried to fix me up with his friends- I was around 15 and they were probably mid 30’s to early 50’s. My entire value as a human was looking pretty and making a man happy. If I just did a good enough job, I may get a rich man to marry me. BLEH 🤮 Considering that ASOIAF was conceived during the early 90’s, it definitely makes sense as a critique of society at the time.

Good stream!

Along the juxtaposing themes of fire and cold, I keep circling back to the laws of physics - there is no such thing as cold, only an absence of heat/energy, that energy cannot be created or destroyed only converted into different forms, and Energy as the source of life. Interesting to see Martin’s interplay of the movement of energy throughout ASOIAF. Such as the death and expected resurrection of Jon, the resurrectionists of Rholor giving their energy when bringing someone back, the consciousnesses, the absorption of the life energy of Craster’s sons into the Others, or energy of beings into and out of the Weirwood Net, etc. How better to resolve the unbalanced energy situation of the Others and the corrupted Weirwood Net than the return of the energy of the Others back to the Weirwood Net. OR this is a 5am thought after watching a few too many Lightbringer videos in one day 😂

Wyman Manderly requests 3 songs at the feast and at least two relate to the Nightfort: a song about Danny Flint and the one about The Rat Cook, but the first song he requests is "The Night That Ended" ~ is this related to the Nightfort as well? 🤔

The wall is frozen weirwood tree grove with others crucified to the trees .

💯Barbary Dustin had her doubts and has now confirmed them, I'm guessing that's why she insisted that she would be in charge of "Lady Arya" until the wedding. She has probably had a chance to inspect her, more than knowing this is not Arya Stark, she also probably figured out what happened with Jeyne.

I do think that the actual Night's Queen is in some kind of helpless situation. All the Night's Queen figures are in some kind of helpless situation in the story, and only then turn the tables on their captor. I think Rohanne Webber's story is telling in this. She is trapped by her father's will and subsequently the Longinch. But she does not wish to portray herself as weak, because it is in the assumption of a position of strength that she knows is her only chance of protecting herself. So Night's Queen made the best of her bad situation, she was taken by the Night's King, and the Night's King ruled the Long Night with her magic, she created the Others, but this is something she is doing under duress. She is a victim who is fighting back by co-opting the agenda of the Night's King. That's my read on things. And when it comes down to the ending of the story, it is probably Night's Queen who will make a pact with the humans to turn the tables on Night's King and save herself.

nissa nissa was a grenseer from leng?

700 upvotes is kinda embarassing, fellow watchers! Holla at your boys for all the good stuff they bring ❤️

Those wolfskins on the floor could be actual Stark direwolf skins from back in the days, or maybe they just symbolise that.

Hold up... Okay, I definitely could be pulling straws at random {wink} but if the priests in Blood Moon are Green Men, and the masons of the Red Keep are Green Men, are the Seven Green well People? 'cause I'm wondering... what "faith" were the Green Men priests of in Blood Moon time?

in the german translation of LotR, the rohirim refer to minas tirith as "mundburg"

have you thought of the implications of a jet stone to family blackwood?

u think azor ahai and nissa nissa could be the nights king and corpse queen, 13 years later she shows up as a corpse and he falls in love all over again after thinking he had killed her.

Please bring Tim more often!

i think theon turning on the starks and getting totured and broken by boltons, hes been in a stupor in his mental safe place theon shut off reek took over that was the real teon breaking thru. i still say he deserved to be king after all that he went thru. SHOW theon idk about theon from books idk if he redeems himself the same way

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Also as a point about age and agency in medieval society. I feel like many 16 year olds at that time period were more mature by necessity than many kids today. And that's not a far out there theory. I'm sure tons of people either know or remember people from high school that were unusually developed mentally than their peers. I know I did. I was a total child but my brother was way beyond me mentally. It's also worth to keep in mind that irl and in Westeros they don't have even in depth studies of brains or its development. All they have to go by is what nature determines to be the age of maturity which would be things like physical development and periods in the case of women. With Arya, or what they assume is Arya, 12 was actually pretty uncommon if I'm not mistaken. Usually it would be from 16-20 that a girl would be married and have it consummated

For Theon testimony's value for Arya identity... he is not that wrong: Sansa passed by some of his old father's friends such as Arya... and none recognize them... as Littlefinger pointed out "Peoples see what they want to see " so during the wedding between Ramsey and Jeyne, all the guests would be like "Is that Arya, she didn't look... bah whatever peoples change especially when they are young...", can you imagine you, going at the wedding of the daughter of a friend you saw casually, maybe once every year, and last time you saw that girl, she was a child, you wouldn't be like "Eh! That's woman is far differant from the little girl I remember from seing a few minutes sometimes once or twice every year...she is an impostor!" No chance in hell. Ned yes, Cat, sure, their low age kids (especially girls) no...especially Northmen, they remember strong men not little girls. But for Manderly... yeah you're right, there is no chance he could have been tricked, he knew Arya and a good chance he knew who was Jayne too.

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sorry im commenting like crazy on this one, but the theon wanna get away from here sudden realization well ive been locked up a few times or more, n alot of times i dont remember how or what i did to get myself there caus i was pretty bad off, but i can relate i really think it was closer to never having been in jail, and waking up in jail with a massive hangover thinking hold up how did i get here once your sober enough to realize you probably just screwed the rest of your life up, moreso than the snickers moment. i can see that too.

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