It's i.possible to imagine the scale of that war even after consuming media about it my entire life.

Correct and in a previous comment I was accused of being a jerk when in reality I was bringing the same level of shock that yes this is disrespectful to watch this here

the same real people dies at the ground from the bombs

Yeah, that head on run in the first couple minutes on that B-24 is just ghastly.

@@thomastiedtke8121 exactly! That is why German criminals shouldn’t have started wwii hand in hand with their soviet allies!

Wie heißt der Ort?

that is awesome some intersteing stories to read, i'd like to go to germany one day

Really? How old are you?

He isn't saying he was around when the plane went down, he's just saying that a plane came down in his town some time ago

@@PhrogNZ I simply asked really for an elaboration..But i would like to know how old he is also

Honestly, I'd rather not wonder. The ball turret gunner was probably reduced to ground meat, after that cannon stream. Tail gunner too. Gruesome. RIP to these brave heroes.

I recall hearing that often enough when the plane came back they had to just hose out what remains of the tail gunner. I always wondered how true that was but the last scene certainly looks like that was the case. Very sad to see regardless of what country the crews were.

Grisly carnage. I'd probably puke my guts out and scared as hell if I was there to witness it.

@@dsmith8984 a docu i saw years ago showed a pile of casings behind an overgrown building on an old bomber field in England.....mixed in with casings was a complete skeletal arm.....just brushed out with the shell casings and dumped....true.

Braver men than I.

80% of our losses happened in the east! It's no surprise as 80% of the Luftwaffe fought there. The western allies only had to face a fraction of that. So forget that shit.....

ask the italian pilots in 1943...

Richard L But note Richard: Golden rule no 1 is, that US cowboys are always and regardless best, most beautiful and shiny teeth cracks by default. Even if they actually screwed up. Their big mouths make up for it after all. Golden rule no 2: If US repeatedly screws up, golden rule no 1 immediately applies.

Richard L barely

Perkunas where were you in the war?

*Fighter are attacking

Ikon d

The fans, they seem to be boeings...

Danke!

War Thunder: Pilot unconscious

perfect hit though, looks like he knocked out the entire cockpit

Cannon shells slamming the cockpit.

That's how the Luftwaffe attacked bombers in 42 and on.

RIGHT IN THE COCKPIT MUAHHAHA!!!

Actually the head on attack was their specialty. It was developed by Egon Meyer of JG2 "Richthofen". Several instances of rammings did occur, and was always inherently dangerous - you never knew if the bomber would pitch up or down after you killed the cockpit crew, which was definitely the case with that Liberator

I think that was the ONLY time I've seen a head on attack on gun camera done 'successfully';

RIP I hope the gunners made it out alive.

@@sirbader1 - Head on attacks occurred well before this. Peter Townsend used to do it in the BoB (he said it was hair-raising) and I think Ginger Lacey did as well. The Poles certainly enjoyed it too. Heinkels and JU88s were all perspex at the front so the head on attack was terrifying for the crews.

@@bilbobigbollix7318 Pretty sure any attack was terrifying.

in 8:33 u can see one round goes directly to ball gunner throw smoke ;) that was the finish him one i think and in ;) in 9:06 u can see demaged tail gunner window

I noticed the one waist gunner's barrel moving also, wonder if the front ball turret was moving towards the end, from right to front?

Bullshit, they didnt focus on anything, they had enough just hitting it...I dont get where you get that idea, but no, if you are at 500 kmh, you just aim to hit the damn thing, that is like saying soldiers aim at the head when fighting from 400 meters.. they just aim to hit ...

kolbpilot, good observations. This footage is the closest I've ever seen, there was another B17 gun camera clip, where the pilot had excellent gunfire skills concentrating on the engines, even though he could have raked the whole fuselage. You can almost see the waist gunner wishing he had a rifle to get the angle on the attacker at the end, he couldn't swivel the single .50 that far back. I get real sad watching this, it said it was a 110 G2, as if 20mm cannon wasn't enough, I believe the G2 had 2 30 mm cannon. These men would be obliterated by a 20, let alone a 30mm shell. Its just tough to watch. They said the 8th air force took horrendous losses. I think of all the people who got bombed out in Hamburg and Dresden firestorms, the whole thing is unimaginable. But it is part of our history. An entire ethnicity/religion was tried to be put to death. Russians, Germans, Poles Japanese, the list goes on. I have seen people die in cath labs and come back- some were complete miracles. They tell us we are all connected. I think earth is grade school, we keep coming back until we learn what we were supposed to learn. Earth is almost perfectly made for it. We need to collectively change our reality, so the fearful animal in us doesn't win.

Richard Kuklinski - you think the waist gunners were alive? ie..the 1 on ea. side 50's

I wouldn't be sad about the loss of the person but how they'd look inside the plane, stills irks me.

Sad but true. War is not a solution for anything. Innocent people suffer for nothing .

@@ImranKhan-wr6iz Are ultimate survival and prosperity of those same people nothing to you? Have you heard anything of Weimar Republic?

oh come people enjoy serve the country or die for it. For some even life is scarier. Its completely normal for them.

Ritesh The film clearly indicates june 1944 at the beginning. You surmise they are defending Germany in this footage when the Allies just barely landed on the content to save it at that time? Based on what? Perhaps you should've written defending the territories and countries Germany tyrannically invaded and conquered instead of "homeland"... Way more honest an assumption to make. Unless of course you are into the whole "germany owns Europe " thing. Cant tell i hate unclear obfuscating history revising in any form, accidental or otherwise, can u?

or instantly pilot got shot

Or they just touch you with their wing and your tail falls off and they fly and fight on. Yah right.

Facts

or the bomber gunners ignore getting shot up so they can unrelentingly fire upon you...

YOU'VE GOT A HOLE IN YOUR LEFT WING!

Finally some memes below this kind of videos 😂

😂😂👌

Matt Steffey Hysterical. I take it you never lost any loved ones in a war, jackass.

@@sidefx996 vets are the biggest type of person to make a joke about something like this, pull your first outta your ass.

@@50shadesofcerakote you mean the ones that lived? Lol maybe we should all collectively pull our fists from our asses, ya dig?

Thank You for your comment I believe he was also one of the first American pilots to encounter German jet fighters the Me- 262.@Ben Pendleson

My father (German) was captured in 44 by the Americans, he said the same thing about American soldiers. He even said the custody was heaven on earth after what he went thru. He was treated very fairly. He spoke English, guess that helped.

@@bigblockjalopy The behaviour in Amrican prisonership of war was different, relating to the commanding officer. My grandfathers were imprisoned in Marseille, one in french custody, one in US. Both guys had usually a weight around 85 KG. They both came back with 55 KG. They starved during the prisonership of war.

We fought on the wrong side. The American media/political class was even more corrupt back then.

Жаль, что к пленным из СССР фашисты относились не столь гуманно.

Ball turret is the worst...

Well the ages were 17 (at least) and 30 (at most) if I’m correct. A lot joined the army including the Air Force.

i know this makes me so sad

Dane Ta Tua Tonka nope, the teenagers were in those german fighter cockpits, the youngest of which being 14

I bet they called for their mama like the lambs do at the slaughter house.

I doubt that B-17 made it home lol

"still make it home". lol I rather doubt it dude!

that thing went down 100%

Honestly it very well could have. That luftwaffe pilot was laughably terrible. He didnt start hitting vital areas until the end when he swept the two engines on the left and those engines were lightly armored as well. Even then there was no consistent smoke being generated to indicate a critical or impending failure. The only part of the aircraft that got hit hard was the belly, probably killed all the gunners but thats about it. I'd be willing to bet if they didn't land, they at least made it to friendly territory for a crash landing.

It could very well have but I wouldn't assume it. 17's were VERY tough critters though. Boeing made made/makes amazing planes. But if they did make it then they were minus at least 2 gunners.

ben dunn: ikr

Not flak. Those are the attacker's own 20mm shells self-destructing (I recall the mechanism was if rotational speed fell too low, the shell explodes). The exploding shells highlight that the pilot has drastically misjudged distance and is attacking too far away. I believe that's the "object lesson" for this clip. In the distance, other twin-engine planes are visible pressing close attacks, queuing up for multiple runs on the same target, and setting their targets on fire. So interesting how this "failure" clip yields a super important document...

They should have defended their homeland from the Nazis, not the people trying to shut the Nazis down.

@@t6finch under that logic we in the USA shroud fight Washington DC, which is infested with warmongers. I prefer to live in peace.

In the end, they had their revenge. Even if he survived the war, the man almost certainly lost a mother, father, brother or sister to those bombers. Maybe even a wife or child. If he was lucky, his family was in the western part of the country, if not, they were trapped in east Germany and would become communists and grow to hate him for the Nazi he was. As for him, he would have become a POW and then would have gone on to live under American, British or French occupation for years while his nation's pride was destroyed and it was transformed into the hollow shell that it is today. He failed.

@@USN1985dos Funny how you simplified something so childishly. Goes to show how limited your understanding is. And really? Of all the flavours in this world, you had to choose salt?

@@renovatiovr I stated the most basic facts that there are. You can't refute any of it so instead you called it childish and that I'm salty. No, as I said, we had our revenge, and he paid far more of a price than the bomber crews he was hunting.

@@USN1985dos They are not facts, because you don't know the guy's life. There is nothing to refute, because nothing you proposed is of any weight. Germany did lose the war, however it did not end there. The soviet union who participated in the beginning of the war with the Germans and which actually invented the concentration camps and blitz strategy was immensely rewarded, a lot of the nazis, especially the influential cultural and science people, were rewarded with amazing jobs, fame and glory in the winning countries. Some of them, such as Hanna Reitsch and Otto Skorzeny proudly wore their iron crosses, SS uniforms post war during their meetings with politicians and presidents and continued to promote the nazi legacy. UK went bancrupt thanks to the war and lost its superpower status to the US. It is funny how you disregard the unimaginable amount of lives lost in the war, including those of the allies, that resulted in many lives destroyed for those who fought and for those who waited for them to return home. So your little story of sadness, defeatism, depression, loss can be applied everywhere and anywhere. "We had our revenge" - what kind of revenge? The Germans caused significant losses on all fronts, that were increasingly high due to their unwilligness to surrender. Those that came to Normandy were met by an extremely ruthless, experienced and skilled army that was prepared by the horrors of the Eastern Front, years of experience ahead of anyone else that fought there. In the end, it was the Eastern front where the war was fought and it was the soviets that ended all. Finally, even defeated, Germany was so indispensable in its tech and research that it kept on going in those fields and sparked a lot of the post war industries and branches.

@@USN1985dos Burger cope

gunship? It’s a bomber

Makes Me sad

@EF and mericans love to control the media. Wich is the same as erasing history;D

@EF aka CIA

I'd love to see all of them, even though it's allies they are shooting I just love to see warbirds in action

@EF Ah, the inevitable right-wing tryhard. Can't have anything history related without them surfacing to spread their hatred.

Truth. None of us has much control over our governments. Not then and not now.

Bf110 also had 30mm guns installed for bomber intercepts.

Bravery to kill children, women and elderly. Yes, they were brave.../s Scumbags, that is what they were.

Remember, there are many people dying on the ground by the bombs from this B-17 too. All the people sadly died for nothing

@War Child hmm you do remember that the Nazis invaded Poland and started World War 2. The Nazis were also involved in a genocide that saw the starvation and murder of millions of Jews and numerous others who the Nazis decided were undesirables including homosexuals.

@@keithwhisman So? The civillians had nothing to do with it. Every bombercrew deserve to die.

Yeah I definitely noticed after that 110 lights up the B-17 the ball turret drops limp, pointing down. Tail gunner was definitely killed too. Very sad.

Bełżec Soap Company uh no Poland was taken as part of Germany but it was always its own country. So Germany and Russia had no right or claim to Polish lands.

@Delta X flex tape wasnt a thing!

@Han Lockhart Good point. He was close indeed!

Life is a death sentence 😉

@Roscoe Dogg so what? You live to where you can didn't know living long meant something

@Roscoe Dogg uhm no that would be dying old

They were all volunteers, both US and RAF. To a man !

You dont realise how many came back that were shot to ribbons

But it took a lot of time to see a decisive hit at the right inner engine. In consideration of Me-110 heavy guns the result was relatively poor.

@@hajoos.8360 I think the G2 actually had 30mm right?

@@diomic Since 1943 there were different versions, beside the nightfighter versions. Standard were 2 30mm MK 108 and 2 20mm MG 151/20. There were different options possible, 2 MG below the hull & 2 spots for 500KG bombs or alternatively 1 cannon 370 mm BK 3,7 without MGs and bombs.

@@hajoos.8360 that's really interesting thank you for sharing it

@@hajoos.8360 allways nice to listen to an expert like you.

Curiously, both hell and war were created by men.

@@rafaeloda you seem to forget..its all russia's fault!!!...the dems said so!!

Stalingrad where number of victims is bigger then all of the others combined.

Indeed war is simply one tragedy after another. There is no glory in war, no romantic notions, only death

But The B-17 look like it was still flying OK with all 4 engines.

most of the well trained experts of our luftwaffe where dead by this time and most where very young ond poorly trained pilots then. The last ME 110 crew clearly looks like old grunts.

@@Fritztoons всегда ненавидел " крепости". Они убийцы городов. Гамбург, Дрезден были сожжены ими дотла. У Б-17 крепкий планер, мессеру не хватает калибра оружия.

Brave souls to kill children, women and elderly. Fk scums, that is what they were.

B17's did daylight raids, not night, and judging by actual combat footage by late 1943 more and more Luft 110s and others were getting their asses kicked trying to attack formations, as well as while bringing down say, 40 bombers, they were losing over 100 fighters in the process

@GreenWithers Ideally for what the war requires to win, each plane must at least kill more than one bomber each, and yes, it is bad, because Germany cannot afford the amount of planes and pilots lost bringing down a negligible amount of bombers for a unacceptable amount of planes.

idiot

@@Redbeastik Genius

just increase the watch speed to 2

Mark Loren Fahey Thank you for your forefathers service. One of my relatives on your side of the 49th went down in an A20 HAVOC (always bloody well mix it up with A10 my MODERN favorite) xmas day 1945 and is on the MIA memorial in Henri Chapelle cemetery. I keep forgetting to STOP reading comments on clips like this, where mostly juvenile pathetic miscreants are tugging in their pants over extreme details of how this part flies off, that guy must have died (instead of realizing they got shredded and liquified in real life/ color they forget WWII was lived in), and how neat cool awesome and amazing the destruction is on the planes in view. Gives me the impression they would enjoy it even more if it were in colour and they could pick out brains blood and guts colours.... I dont remember ever getting the urge to spurt in my pants watching German planes shot up on Mustang gun cameras ...or pretending I experienced the same thing in War Thunder gaming. Convinced now it takes only one generation of indoctrination or propaganda to warp minds. Sick and pathetic describes a gen that doesnt even consider those obviously minced b17 gunners in the last footage, are grandparents of many ppl alive today, and how gdmnFknOffensive and disgusting their comments are to viewers who dont see the person in the turret of the guncam footage, but still wonder if might Possibly be their relative being blown apart. Carrying or givingasht isnt trendy circa 2020.

WERE grandparents, I mean. Not ARE. Freudian slip. Bad times.

German cities were plastered with posters warning to seek shelter when AA began firing. The risk of getting injured by a splint of one of the exploding flak shells was pretty high and I guess same goes for the MG bullets.

It definitely did happen. Even today, 11 people die per year in mexico on average due to stray bullets/guns being fired upwards toward the sky. During war time there was lots of collateral damage.

There is a document of a forced laborer that lived through an airfight on ground. Forced Laborer weren't always allowed in the cellars, and this particular group of workers had to stay in a small forest beside their digging camp. They used their food bowls out of metal to protect themselves from the splinters, but some got hit on the arms or legs.

@bobbiebob575 bob found the liberal

As they say, the B-17 was super accurate - The bombs always hit the ground!

LKNANML wat timestamp is that

First clip. 47ish.

Uncle Ruckus 0:44

Consider that for each plane will be needed a crew.So it is not only about producing aircraft in larger numbers.The trained pilots will be less and less experienced when their combat flight hours will be reduced to just a few missions before they are shot down.Of course a large nation can still find skilled and suitable individuals up to a certain point.. but once 20.000 are killed it becomes obvious that such special humans do not pop out each minute out of a mother's womb. There is a double curve.. the increasing production of equipment.. which will be going up and up.. and the curve of the human potential.. which can reach a maximum level (considering a set time limit) prior to the maximum of airplane output. There will be entire generations depleted.. and it takes years to regain the initial potential by rebirth of following generations.. And the time factor will set a limit.. when due to lack of able bodied young men will not be available any more to get into the air... and the war will end this crisis..... a few years later many able bodied men will be grown up... but in the case of germany the war was lost.. the army was disbanded and the output of aircraft down to zero. The peace allows the humans to regenerate.. etc... I hope my explanation was good enough to indicate this constellation.. Time,Human,Machine.

The Allies set their flyers so many missions before they could transfer to training or something not so life threatening. The Luftwaffe did not do this. Just kept them flying until they had a bad day at the office.

DtC Go read a book. And go educate yourself on how war works. It's not a Hollywood "Good vs. Bad"- scenario, you toxic and hateful idiot.

@@DamienTheCat So you think "German" = "Nazi"? Go and do some reading before spouting hate. The vast majority of combatants on both sides were just young men doing their duty to a cause which they weren't old enough to understand and which anyways, was indoctrinated in them from the start. There was evil on both sides, and although Hitler's regime was one of the worst at any historical time, the young pilots were just that, young pilots. The Luftwaffe was actually one of the forces least sympathetic to the Nazi cause - the old commanders had a value system based on honour and courage, of which they saw little in the idealism and greed of Nazi leaders.

@@chrisburn7178 Accomplices.

Should have been the ones to get nuked tbh

Despite the title most of the bombers probably survived. That's excluding the first and probably last bombers shown. The German titles to each clip call them attacks.

Actually, statistically about 25% of Axis fighters shot down in WW2 were shot down by bomber gunners. Attacking a bomber formation was NOT a safe activity!

I think that for technical or optical reasons the tracer bullets of the aircraft with the gun connected camera which produced the films are easy visible.. but not the traces of the bullets flying towards the same aircraft which are fired from the enemy aircraft firing in the opposite direction. Because when such a fighter plane gets close to the bomber formation it encounters an enormous danger with a much higher fire power than its own few fix mounted machine guns. When 20 Bombers fly close enough to each other in a formation more than 20 machine guns with moving canons easy to rotate in nearly all directions will point at the "lonely" attacking fighter plane. Of course attacks can be conducted by several fighter planes at once.. but in the movies we see samples of attacks by only one aircraft with more or less 2 machine guns on packs of bombers with a tenfold higher fire power. This is indeed quite crazy.. to do this.. I guess that for the rear gunner in the back of a bomber the surface to hit of a FW190 approaching from the back is quite small. He must hit a target of just 4m2 maximum on a distance of 500m in some cases.. and this in a matter of seconds.. otherwise the attacker is already gone.. Of course from another angle the attacker can be more visible which allows gunners from bombers which are not the prime target to unleash thousands of bullets on the attacker. To me it looks as if each approach of a bomber formation by an attacking fighter plane is involving a chance factor.. to be hit or not by these thousands of bullets flying in the attackers direction. A probability factor.. And these many bullets do not seem to be visible on the old films.

You are a white supremacist

AND even more to the point, The Luftwaffe was very 'resource poor'--they could not afford to put gun cameras in too many aircraft, and during the last few months of the war, it was even hard to find film.

The 15th Airforce Mustang Groups found it quite amusing that one of the 8th AF Mustang groups found themselves getting kicked in the teeth by the Hungarian Pumas during those 'Frantic' shuttle missions from England to The Ukraine--often there is NO inter service 'respect'

gun fodder for the FLAK, no need of escort - the less come home, the more will be purchased off the warmongers

B and C are not early.. they came about '43 and the D model in '44

@@TheCleansingx So what's an early P-51 to you then? Did the Allison-engined variants even see any combat?

@@argh1989 yes, they did! The Brits bought the first 620 Alison powered versions as the Mustang MK I and 50 P-51As (British Mustang MK II). The Brits started combat sorties with the Mustang in January of '42.

The bomber in that head one definitely went down. Most of the front portion of crew were probably killed

No point. The fighters were far more maneuverable and faster. Better to stay on course and try to get home in the group than to separate and end up alone and vulnerable.

Better to stay in formation where the sheer weight of defensive fire from the squadron's gunners can be directed at the enemy than trying to manouvere against a far more nimble fighter.

Also, if you start taking evasive maneuvers, you have a good chance to collide with those flying with you. And if you are leading a group, and start maneuvering, the others in your group will try to follow you. I talked with a B-24 Pilot and he said he was too busy keeping his bomber tucked in properly with the lead that he rarely noticed incoming fighters.

An absolute beating

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Thank you very much.; I have met in person many American pilots from world war 2. some flew fighters, others were in bombers. I met the pilot who dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, we shook hands and talked. I have a photo to prove that. also I know a German couple that were children during the war and were bombed on very heavily. I taught the woman all about the air war, she found it so interesting. they live in Canada.. they came down for a visit and I took them to Wright Patterson air force museum. There I showed her a B17 Flying Fortress. she looked at it for a long time and cried a little. I had her come up and touch it. she seemed to finally get a lot of relief from that day. the B17 was found in France... Shoo Shoo baby on the side with a woman as the art work. Very interesting to show them around. we found a FW190, and Hans was very proud of that haha. he wanted a photo with him standing in front of it. we had a nice time.

You sir, add nothing at all to a conversation. I won't use foul language to anyone. You can disagree with me fine, but point out what you disagree with, don't be a troll. I will stand by all I said, you can disagree fine, but please control yourself.

los fw190 estaban cansados de derribar los bombarderos yanquis lo unico bueno q tuvieron los yanquis en la 2 guerra fue su produccion en masa

early war was definitly more nazi's and nazi idealist but as the war went on and conscription became mandatory, those thoughts changed. To say all soldiers who fought in germany were just fighting for their country and weren't believers in the nazi agenda is silly. Also, it's believed that many people knew that SOMETHING was happening to the jews as their neighbors would just dissappear so saying that they were completly ignorant of the Jewish situation is also silly.

Or the head on on the liberator.

"flying" Every soul in that thing is torn to shreds bar maybe the pilots....

Gunners on the last B-17 were already injured or dead, ball turrets were down