Lumen VS Pathtracer Vs Octane Render In Unreal Engine 5
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Күн бұрынI get this question all the time now…why use the Octane render plugin for Unreal Engine when there's Lumen and the in-built Pathtracer too. There's no simple answer so I thought I would do a rundown of the pros and cons of each.
I'm going to break these down into four categories… Quality, Speed, Accuracy and Compatibility. I'll be using the 1hour unreal engine scene I put together on the last video as an example and have rendered it with lumen, pathtracer and octane so we can see the results.
Intro 00:00
Visual Quality Lumen 00:30
Visual Quality Pathtracer 01:32
Visual Quality Octane 02:17
Speed Lumen 03:12
Speed Pathtracer 03:29
Speed Octane 03:33
Light Accuracy Lumen 03:54
Light Accuracy Pathtracer 04:12
Light Accuracy Octane 04:46
Compatibility Lumen 05:08
Compatibility Pathtracer 05:54
Compatibility Octane 06:41
Roundup 07:55
Why I Use Octane 08:45
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@HolweckStage89 Жыл бұрын
I used to exclusively use Cycles and Octane in Blender until I made the move to UE in 2020. I do a lot of large animation projects for heavy industrial clients with HUGE meshes and found that being able to use datasmith within Unreal was a massive advantage vs my previous pipeline. I still do use Octane / path tracer for certain client images (static shots mostly), but i would say that 8.5/10 they are more than happy with Lumen + a bit of Davinci post prod work. I have come to absolutely love Unreal, it is awesome to have the versatility to choose multiple rendering methods on the fly to see which one really suits your specific project. It's also really hard to beat a 4200 frame 1080p animation coming out of the pipeline in less than an hour! And its free! Keep up the good work!
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Youre absolutely right, theres a tool for every job and we really do have a vast array of choice now plus speed! Thanks for the awesome comment.
@melomaniakjm Жыл бұрын
Totally agree…speed is key and the quality you get with Lumen is more than enough for 90% of my projects. And when it’s not we have alternatives, incredible tools we have access to these days.
@gusmaiawork Жыл бұрын
as an avid Octane user (with Cinema 4D) who's literally starting with Unreal Engine, it's great to have this kind of input and comparison, huge thanks for the amazing content, keep it up!
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Awesome. Glad that its useful. Good to have you on the journey with me.
@arakutheproducer Жыл бұрын
Excellent, honest, and thorough video. Spoke directly to my interests and concerns. Much obliged!
@colinmoore1571 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to do this, always wondered how lumen stacked up against octane
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
It was a fun experiment. I'm very keen on making sure that we get the best possible renders from the engine without making huge sacrifices on quality.
@saemranian 9 ай бұрын
Good explanations, Thanks for sharing.
@JoshuaMKerr 9 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@QUYANSTARE Жыл бұрын
This video is good. I no longer struggle with lumen rendering or path tracing rendering. Because I'm the one who works in the conceptual design phase. So, I think I should go for lumen. Thanks for making this video, it saves me experimenting time.😁
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Really glad it was helpful. Sounds like you have an interesting job.
@jbach Жыл бұрын
Brilliant summary. Thanks for sharing.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Thanks man
@joshuajamesharvey Жыл бұрын
Just a tip on wigglies in the back of your octane render. When you see 4x4 squares of missing information (they'll always be a dark square) that's caused by the min adaptive samples being set too low. Essentially those squares were black when adaptive sampling engaged and we're immediately turned off.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Oh absolutely. However its a toss up between that and increased render time. Its all down to what youre happy to accept in your work. I dont mind a little noise sometimes as long as I know how to fix it.
@DogeGFSolo Жыл бұрын
PS good show and ty for taking the time to tell us about this issue. Jaggies r drivin me batty
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
No worries. Hoping for a fix soon
@jkartz92 11 ай бұрын
You sorted out the thoughts in my mind!!
@JoshuaMKerr 11 ай бұрын
Awesome. It's good to do a bit of a pros and cons list
@JoaQuiMoreno Жыл бұрын
You Rocks! thanks for explanation!
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Hey no problem. I'd wanted to make that video for ages.
@geroldwaefler9485 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this Video!!! 👍
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Youre very welcome. Thanks for watching.
@kettlechippys2668 Жыл бұрын
great comparison, I really like using both Lumen and Octane for stills and video, I think it's great that unreal offers a diverse render pipeline, reminds me of blender but better
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Thats kindof my thinking too. The big advantage of Unreal is the amount of polys it can handle too. Blender isnt very well optimised in that way.
@kettlechippys2668 Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr Unreal engine runs crazy well on my old i5, I do a lot of photogrammetry and nanite is an absolute god send
@ricbattaglia6976 Жыл бұрын
@@kettlechippys2668 Lumen is used in Twinmotion? Needs a RTX card or AMD is good too? Thanks
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
As far as I know lumen can be used without rtx. Not sure if it is used in twinmotion
@birdonfiremedia Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Subscribed!
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Glad to have you with me for the journey
@Mac_Daffy Жыл бұрын
Hey Joshua. OTOY now released Octane 2022.1 for Unreal Engine in version 0.62 and it now comes with OctaneLightmass, a first version of the octane lightmapper for Unreal (experimental). This GPU path tracer is free for a single GPU but the plugin can use multi-card setups. Using Lightmass to bake those textures with Octane you could get the Octane look in a real-time engine and combine it with Lumen etc. Would be very interested in your take!
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
I did see this get launched and yes, very interesting for sure! I have a content plan as long as Andre the Giant's arms but I'll certainly pop that on the list of stuff to try out.
@JustinEastmanMedia Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comparison, now that redshift and octane are only subscription now i have moved fully to unreal. Nice to see the difference!
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
At least we can still use octane if we choose to but since 5.1 Unreal's Pathtracer has improved so much. I can see it over taking in the not too distant future. I'd love to see it with adaptive sampling.
@kurokishizx 8 ай бұрын
can i use a hybrid of both lumen & pathtracer proj settings enabled for shot render?
@JoshuaMKerr 8 ай бұрын
I don't think so. Path tracer is an unbiased renderer and lumen is a very different technology.
@MingHsiung Жыл бұрын
Thanks for making this vid... confused what the issue is with Octane motion blur? Also, another pro for octane is multi-GPU support vs UE (single-GPU support only at this time)
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
The motion blur problem is that with the unreal plugin Octane doesn't calculate the motion vectors. There is an Octane 'integrated mode' that uses unreals viewport motion blur...but it really does look like garbage haha. Good point about multi GPU although I believe that's a paid for option
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Do you have a favourite of the three renders? Pop a comment below with your thoughts.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
@@Greenrobotvp I'm loving unreals pathtracer in 5.1
@YungDikka 10 ай бұрын
Good content! Thank you very much
@JoshuaMKerr 10 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@TonysMind Жыл бұрын
good review! so now we need lumen to be "more like" octane. Btw why don't you do a tutorial based on render setting tricks for video maker in UE5?
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Ill have a look into it and see what I can do.
@Tycholarfero Жыл бұрын
If you mess with the console commands you can get some cleaner results with Lumen, there's a unique command called ReferenceMode that brings it closer to the pathtracer, at the cost of much more noise
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I hope to do a lumen video that adresses cvars. I imagine this tip would be super useful.
@audioforhumans6854 Жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison video, thank you for the analysis. However I feel that lumen's potential isn't quite brought to "light" here... is there any chance or way you could probably send this project to me or make it even public? I'd love to try myself on it, since I am trying to get the most out of lumen since it was first released in the Early Access version or Unreal 5. I'd love to see your opinion on my potential results with Lumen within this scene. Hope to hearing from you, thanks in advance!
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Fun fact... I watched your lumen video from a year ago. Super interesting stuff! Could you drop me a message on my facebook page?
@spaceteapot Жыл бұрын
would be nice to know what kind of system specs youre running for the speed section (or maybe i just missed it?)
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
I didnt include them but if youre interested the gpu is a 3080. Im not sure about the cpu specs.
@spaceteapot Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr that's very good to know, im running a 3080 as well. Cheers!
@samuelenslin1850 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the comparision. I don´t think the scene you tested it on does it justice though. We´ve used Unreal extensively with only Lumen (when necessary) on a documentary and it more than exceeded our expectations. While there were SOME artefacts (shadows mostly), I´d much rather troubleshoot these on a 20 minute render vs an 8 hour render and if need be render in layers/fix stuff in comp... We have only tested it on a narrow scope of projects yet, so my opinion might change still...:)
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Cant say Im a big fan of Lumen but glad its working for you. The scene didnt take 8 hours with lumen though, that was octane. Some of these things can certainly be fixed in post or in layersm Davinci has excellent features for flicker and noise for instance. But sometimes thats extra time spent on what should be working already. Bear in mind I am focussing largely on doing as much in engine as possible and rendering beauty passes for editing and grading (maybe not even that)
@samuelenslin1850 Жыл бұрын
@Joshua M Kerr Oh yeah, I got that octane took 8 hours. I think th scene itself looks rather gamey and I've seen and produced Lumem scenes that looked way more realistic. I also still think pathtracing or offline rendering GI and reflections look better, but in most cases I'd rather spend more time on improving the scene through lighting and shading and composition rather than better GI... I also had those fireflies with pathtracing and I know some of them came from using the hdri wrong. Really depends on what client you work with, if uts someone who notices every flickering pixel, you might be out of luck sometimes with Lumen. Just saying that I both had completely fine 4k renders AND most of the times it's not noticeable enough if I DO get issues...
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
I'm only using Unreal for my own films so I guess Im the one who gets fussy over flickering pixels haha. Youre absolutely right that the scene doesnt look very realistic, it was part of a 1hr challenge (thats my excuse). But the realism of the scene isnt what I made the video for, its to see what results you can get from a set of render options and the difference it makes. Id love to see some of your work by the way. Anything online?
@samuelenslin1850 Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr Oh, no offense, I thought it was some marketplace scene...:) I only have one test online on my channel, but I got some stuff on TV, if you can access german public Television, just look for "TerraX Unsere Kontinente"...
@UnrealSensei Жыл бұрын
I think you can fix lumens jagged edges by rendering at 200% the real resolution and then downscaling
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Hello there! Thanks for commenting! Your texture repetition tutorial is legendary. Fyi, I did try this but it didnt fix it unfortunately. I have found some cvars that make it a bit better...but no complete fix yet.
@WoodyDevs Жыл бұрын
Interesting that pathtracer doesn't disregard attenuation. Great video!
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
cheers man
@anitaaudichya5753 9 ай бұрын
I am new to octane renderer in unreal engine. can you please show that how to render sequence .
@JoshuaMKerr 9 ай бұрын
I'll make a video when I can.
@DogeGFSolo Жыл бұрын
What GPU are you using mate? I didn't hear you say. I have a dual 3060 ti workstation just wondering how long it'd take to render the same scene
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Im using a 3080. Im not sure on the exact performance difference between that and yours.
@user-yq8jg6ms3m 8 ай бұрын
when using PathTracer you can enable r.raytracing.nanite.mode 1 to make pathtracer use nanite mesh to trace rays.
@JoshuaMKerr 8 ай бұрын
Good tip
@PhuongPhan-ld1ps Жыл бұрын
good review!, and small question: i'm newbie in UE5, can you show me how to enable the pathtracer inside UE5? Thanks
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Have you already enabled raytracing?
@Metarig Жыл бұрын
in the new version, the path tracer supports new things like decals , volumetrics and nanite, and also if you crank up the sample to have to wait the same time as octane wouldn't you get a better result with the path tracer? in my opinion, it would be great if in the upcoming versions you can choose which portion of the scene should be path traced and which portion be lumen.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
That would be a good feature. I liek the path tracer in Unreal a lot more now than when I published this video and have been using it a lot more recently. It still has a few things it can't handle (hidden shadow is one of them) but it's only a matter of time. Octane still has a lovely texture and overall result so I would have to do another test to see how they compare now.
@TimV777 Жыл бұрын
I've used Ue5 when it first came out and loved the speed compared to Arnold and marmoset slows down my scene when using big disp maps. Is it safe to try Ue5 for final still shots of my creatures and characters now? I don't mind waiting an hour for the output. I just need accurate lighting and good looking images for my portfolio.
@Metarig Жыл бұрын
@@TimV777 nothing can go wrong with still images by the way you can freely use ai denoiser to get silky noise free images in seconds but it has an issue with animation
@kurokishizx 8 ай бұрын
does pathtracer rendering have full if not near compatibility at this point? 5:55
@JoshuaMKerr 8 ай бұрын
I would say so yes. There are still a few things I think that it doesn't work like fluids and chaos destruction. but overall much better
@RepaireroftheBreach Жыл бұрын
Interesting that you use Octane for green screen and DoF work. I'm new to UE5 but see a future in trying to use it with green screen work. Would love to know what the downfalls of Lumen are in this area and if there are any ways to improve it! Thanks!
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
I suppose its really just a personal preference bit I don't find lumen convincing. It does depend on the subject though. it deals with some things better than others. I did use it on my last short film becuase it was faster to render.
@antoinewhyte4626 9 ай бұрын
the fire fly's are mainly high emission lights i think try lowering them right down
@JoshuaMKerr 9 ай бұрын
Since this video it has become much easier to control fireflies in Unreal's postprocess volume
@cowabungacrypto Жыл бұрын
What is the best way to get green screen footage into unreal engine? I am hitting roadblock, I think you posted a video on this a while ago but I was wondering if you have discovered any newer methods
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Tell me about the roadblock youre hitting. I dont have any new methods but maybe I can still help
@cowabungacrypto Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr so when I create a new plane and use a media player within unreal 5 I overlay both the original video and alpha channel video to achieve a clean key. The problem is that this method is prone to crashing and generally not being very stable. this is the only way that I am aware of, to get my video into unreal engine. I have a valve index system and I’m kicking around the idea of getting a vive tracker 3.0 and doing a live green screen composite.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
You certainly could do that. Maybe try an exr sequence first so you have a single video track with embedded alpha. You can also go into project settings and increase the amound of GB to allocate to playing media. look for the IMG Media tab. Also...under the preferences in your media track in sequencer there is the option to specify pre roll and post roll frames. This is worth fiddling with.
@robinreso6240 10 күн бұрын
As being a beginner the fast render times of unreal are really godsent. getting tired of optimizing every part of my scene just to shave off a couple of seconds. Understand that scene optimization is key... but all that fiddling with setting takes away from creation.
@Danielsam55 Жыл бұрын
I’m trying to add octane to my UE5 pipeline, because I’m interested in all the AOV options it gives. I’ve tried it with simple scenes and it worked, but now I’m trying with a more complex scene like the Matrix city, and after loading my scene and UE5 working perfectly, I click on"load octane", then it takes like 30 minutes preparing textures, and then it crashes. I think that it crashes when it tries to load the materials. I tried several times already, never been able to view anything in the renderer yet. Not sure if the matrix city is too complex for octane.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Yes, this is because Octane doesn't utilise things like nanite and virtual textures. Matrix City Sample would be too geometry and texture heavy to render.
@itsTyrion Жыл бұрын
As for denoising, I'd love to SOMEHOW get Intel's OpenImageDenoise running on GPU and Unreal. I love the result of it in Blender, but it running on the CPU can slow down renders. Also, what do you think about the Lumen/PT changes with 5.1.x? Were some of your issues fixed or at least reduced? Because I think Lumen tends to look great (then again, I don't make films), if you don't have high contrast highlights like in your test scene
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Two of my most recent videos are about open image denoiser and the lumen issues. Did you see those?
@itsTyrion Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr nope, first time viewer, this was in my recommended. I'll check those out
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Let me know if you have any questions
@pg_carvallo 8 ай бұрын
i think u don't used the right settings on path tracing, coz the fireflies can be fixed just by tweak the super exposure to 1 from his default 32 (!), but yeah... lumen rocks. anyway, great video, i used redshift in the past in my speed render increase path until i found UE, was a game change.
@JoshuaMKerr 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, max bounces can fix the fireflies. Not always but mostly.
@martinrincon4169 Жыл бұрын
Hi. I had this trouble quite a bit in lumen and it went away when i used ONLY area lights. Point lights cause the problem and went away when i converted them.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Good tip. That could be to do with the light radius. Although I was having issues with directional lights too.
@fosteredlol Жыл бұрын
I don't do any kind of rendering, but I was curious what the results would be if you did a time-normalized comparison. If Octane is going to take 8 hours, what is the quality off results the other two can give if they were set up to run for 8 hours. I'm not sure if there would be other constraints that would prevent this, just curious
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Certainly an interesting thought. Although in practice it would be tricky to set up the render to make sure it took that amount of time. My guess is that beyond a certain point it would be a case of deminishing returns.
@starlingvfx Жыл бұрын
This is one of the advantages of Unreal... today, many of us who work freelance with our own equipment, making an 8-hour shot for a client is terrifying, no matter how good quality it is, today everyone bets on the fast, the immediate with a good quality and in that Lumen and Pathtracer are superior to octane, vray, arnold, redshift and etc etc... one of the strongest points of unreal is undoubtedly the speed of realtime.
@starlingvfx Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr great video very interesting.... thanks
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
@@starlingvfx Glad you enjoyed it
@dannankelly Жыл бұрын
for lumen did you have overide Anti alisiing checked and then Anti-aliasing set to NONE ? becasue thats what you need to do .
@dannankelly Жыл бұрын
in your MRQ settings im talking about
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
I did indeed. Thats not the solution to this issue.
@dannankelly Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr oh right jsut those results looks way more antialiased than normal ? , after using such settings in MRQ anyway can’t wait for 5.1 🤝😎
@Debneyink Жыл бұрын
there used to be a Vray plugin for unreal have you tried that? I've been using vray for over twenty years now with 3dsmax
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, yes I did give it a go. It's a good tool and had a few limitations at the time I used it (not sure about now)...plus it's not free to use after the initial trial.
@Debneyink Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr yeah i tried it but not for a while not sure if theyre updating it
@kuunami Жыл бұрын
I didn't know that Octane had an Unreal Engine version. Pretty cool.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Pretty cool for sure.
@juannete2873 Жыл бұрын
A review of nvidia omniverse will be nice. It's a nice path tracer render and now includes also iray.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Yes, this is on my radar. Do you know many of the supported features?
@juannete2873 Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr You can connect with blender, unreal, 3dsmax, maya... Vehicle Dynamics, particles, Blast Destruction, Force Fields, fluid dinamics, nanoVBD... Switch between render engines with one click; Ray tracing - Path tracing - Iray. No displacement yet and It´s in beta several things. It´s not mature as UE but very promising... for me it´s more easy than unreal and It´s free.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Ill be having a look to see if its a viable alternative to pathtracer or octane. Good that its free for sure.
@juannete2873 Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr By the way, I think the best render for your workflow; big cities, textures, lights , polygons... it's Clarisse IFX, but it's not free.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Shame I dont have a spare 1k haha.
@Daniel_WR_Hart Жыл бұрын
I never really used UE before but it looks like you had the classic UE bloom effect enabled
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Haha oh god no. I use convolution
@peymanjajarmi8421 Жыл бұрын
😍✋tnx
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
no worries.
@DoctorMGL 9 ай бұрын
when i heard 8 hours i deleted octane from my computer instantly 🤣
@JoshuaMKerr 9 ай бұрын
Although this was some time ago. I'm keen to try again.
@dasnico13 Жыл бұрын
is octane free for unreal?
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
It is indeed
@dasnico13 Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr thank you
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
No problem
@BernhardRieder1 Жыл бұрын
Do you know how to use Octane Proxy within UE5? How to load or import Octane Proxy within UE5?
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
You load ocatane in UE5 and the option to import orbx as proxy is in the main dropdown menu.
@denisvisker2851 Жыл бұрын
I tested alot and now i have a little night architecture set with 30+ lights and 10 sec (240 frames) renders around 8-10 hours with Path Tracer, i have 1024 samples, RT shadows, no translucency and little reflections. Definitely I'm doing something wrong
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Not necessarily. That's a lot of lights for the Pathtracer to calculate and 1024 samples is quite a lot too. Also RT shadows and other Ray tracing settings won't matter when path tracing.
@MikeBeyene Жыл бұрын
You gotta do a new version of this once UE 5.2 drops
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
I have a few videos that address the lumen flickering issue directly. Also a pathtracer denoising video if you're interested.
@abdufatikhovich Жыл бұрын
Bro I recommend you to use another scene. Because scene that you are using is like game scene and doesn't make sense of reality. It is better use interior scene for comparing render engines. Btw it is just my recommendation, if you want you can follow it.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Interesting, I dont think I talk much about the scene 'realism' except to say that unbiased path tracing inherrently makes the scene look more physical. I mainly discuss artifacts and limitations/advantages of the render engine options in UE5. Would you be able to expand a bit here so me and others can learn from your point of view. What did/do you want to see compared that an interior scene would give you a better example of? Oh and yes it deffinitely looks like a game scene, I put it together in an hour for a previous video.
@abdufatikhovich Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr Thanks for respond. I meant using Interior scenes with perfect lighting and with objects that require high quality and real reflections and transcluency would be great deal for comparing the render engines. The scene that you used is a bit darker and lacks of lighting as well as relflection surfaces in my opinion. Recently I watched this tutorial and if you also watch it you will notice that an author of this video used great interior scene in UE5. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ndNnac-nsZ3Ffas.html. Moreover I found this video that helpful for comparing render engines kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n5mclq95t9vXiZ8.html.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I've seen both of these videos before, but they aren't really what I'm discussing, which is and image stability issues in renders, which are easily visible in the scene I'm using as well as in the two videos you have linked. You're right though, if I decided to compare things like realistic lighting, material handling, reflections and traslucency then I would certainly design something more realistic and useful to highlight these things.
@djayjp Жыл бұрын
I recommend instead using photorealistic assets when comparing the realism of renderers.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Fair comment. If it helps the closeup assets are photogrammetry.
@dpredie Жыл бұрын
word of the day: Wibbliness
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Im going to make Wibblines official terminology.
@DogeGFSolo Жыл бұрын
PS 2 Wait r u any relation to Jim Kerr from Simple Minds?? You look kinda like his son
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Haha...No relation :)
@jankratochvil9779 Жыл бұрын
So lumen is the best for games until we do not have fast enought hardware like realy fast, becouse of its not so demanding and scales realy well with other current technologies? I have to admit octane just blows my eyes right from the first shot of your scene, path tracing not so much to be honnest. Which is hilarous to see the diference so fast thus I watched your video on my mobile Phone :-).
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
It's really just a question of choosing the right tool for the job. Octane does look gorgeous though.
@jankratochvil9779 Жыл бұрын
@@JoshuaMKerr exactly :), like to be honest when i saw Octane,i just losed the point/reason why Nvidia and gaming industry even works and focusing fully they marketing in last 4 years on ray tracing in gaming. Lumen is enought until we will be able too get enought of power to work with Octane, (two decades whatever, when its better then its better) in gaming you can get much better visuals when there is space for using more other technologies at once as Nanite, Realistic physics etc + Lumen+ better textures (vram), models this all will give you better visuals then only pretty ray tracing itself which realy costs still a too much of a performance . for the sake of lighting only, especialy physics is even downgraded from the comparison with past generations and it feels afwull as hell as gaming expyrience. Octane is much more demanding of course but its probably worth to put down Ray-Tracing and Path tracing completely for the sake off overall balanced visuals and interactive expyrience (the most important thing for games, not for movies) and during that time working on tools optimized directly for Octane. Its just better, to be honnest it looks "real" to me, while ray tracing does not it does realy weird over the top things realy often and its forcing you to even downscale your resolutions for sake of actualy playable frame even with GPUs for more then 1000 usd in one case for 1600usd + . which is ridiculous waste of power.
@artificialacapellas Ай бұрын
What about redshift
@JoshuaMKerr Ай бұрын
I know that Redshift can be used in Unreal now, but it wasn't when I made this video.
@EricLefebvrePhotography Жыл бұрын
Lumens can work for a lot of things like comedy shows or other things where realism isn't important. At that point Lumens is (to quote David F Sanberg / Ponysmasher) "Good enough". :) If I'm doing an explainer video or a training video, I don;t care if it's amazingly realistic but for a proper film or an advert for a serious client ... then yeah, Lumens is kind of poop. :)
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
A big strength of lumen is that it works in real time pipelines too. Great for led walls. I've managed to get some good renders from lumen recently but if a project can be offline rendered with a path tracer then I'd definitely go for that.
@monocore Жыл бұрын
Why on earth would you use neat video instead of the renderers own denoiser? The built in denoiser usually has data passes to help with the noise, you're giving up all that extra info just rendering and denoising it in post.
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Simply put, I'm not keen on the result. Best case scenario of course is just to sample until the noise is gone. But failing that (maybe due to the render time) especially in the case of Unreal the internal denoiser is way too heavy and gives you no control so denoising in post can be a good option if needs be. It is less necessary in the case of octane because there are deeper options. Having said that I just cant bring myself to use a denoised video render from Octane. Sometimes its all down to your personal aethetic. For instance I tend to add grain to my films...call me old fashioned ;)
@oviniandrade Жыл бұрын
why does his head move while talking omg thats so distracting lol
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Im also moving my shoulders, knees and toes.
@Danuxsy Жыл бұрын
why does this dude look like a 3D render? lol
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Maybe he is.
@lebombe8342 Жыл бұрын
Pathtracer has noise until you figure out how to remove it) everything is simple
@JoshuaMKerr Жыл бұрын
Simple is relative. If everything were simple there would be no need for educational youtube content.