Lumix S5IIX vs S1H - Is Older Better?
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Күн бұрынHow does the Panasonic S5II compare with the legendary S1H? Image quality, sharpness, dynamic range, colors, OLPF (Optical Low Pass Filter) and Moire.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS:
0:00 - Why This Comparison
0:48 - Image Quality
2:46 - Luminance & Colors
5:04 - Dynamic Range
7:06 - OLPF & Moire
9:00 - Same Sensor?
9:55 - Conclusion
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@chickenpasta7359 19 күн бұрын
The OLPF is one of the main reasons why I haven't upgraded from the S1H to the S5iiX. The S5II has a lot of moire in fine details to the point where it gets obnoxious. I sometimes to client work for tailors and clothing designers and the OLPF is pretty much required for these types of works. Fingers crossed for the S1H 2
@DangAlvinFilms 3 ай бұрын
I've been using the A7sIII for all of my work the last couple years after migrating from Lumix. I needed a reliable AF B-Cam and decided to pick up the S5II. B&H had a crazy deal that allowed me to get the S5IIx, 20-60, 50 1.8, & 80 1.8 for all under $2200. I'm absolutely blown away by the value. I was so close to getting an a7cII for just that price alone.
@olivertrees 3 ай бұрын
Woah, that's a steal.
@LA_RPB 3 ай бұрын
That deal is still available at B&H??
@DangAlvinFilms 3 ай бұрын
I think so. I ordered it like this S5 IIX with 20-60 kit lens then select “build a bundle” I added the 85mm 1.8 and 50mm 1.8 for less than $100 each. Note: I also used my old college account for an additional 17% off with the EDU discount. The total was less than $2200 after tax.
@LA_RPB 3 ай бұрын
@DangAlvinFilms Thanks man!
@DangAlvinFilms 3 ай бұрын
Let me know if it works for you dude!@@LA_RPB
@lordofthecritics Ай бұрын
S1H in the right hands is on a different tier.
@JoshChristiane 2 ай бұрын
Super video, Josh. Very impressed. You're smart, and practical. This is the best comparison of these cams online.
@jaybuckets2153 3 ай бұрын
S1H my favorite camera of all time . Just ordered the S5X2 . And crossing my fingers for the S1H2 . My 3 camera setup will be complete .
@marinrealestatephotography 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comparison video. I think a lot of people were complaining that there is a BIG image quality difference when using the standard picture profiles (i.e. anything BESIDES v-log or hlg). Most say that there is heavy noise reduction and that Panasonic used increased edge sharpness to compensate. I don't know of that is true or not, but it would be great if you could compare profiles like standard, natural, cined2 and such between the S5II and the S1H. Thanks in advance.
@ScreenFiends 3 ай бұрын
Huge respect for shining a light on these Lumix cams. I entered the industry as a filmmaker and migrated from Sony DV tape, Canon 5DII and finally ended up with Lumix starting with the GH4. I currently own the S5II and these camera have such incredible bang-per-buck value. I know these vids may not get the views of a Sony/ Canon system but looking at tech outside of the big three is very useful for for fellow creatives and there's a lot of integrity to not be purely incentivised by views. Great work!
@Josh_Sattin 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the comment! I try my best to be brand agnostic and independent about this stuff. It's definitely nice to show Lumix some love, they have some cool cameras. Thanks for watching!
@AbdonPhirathon 3 ай бұрын
This shows how incredibly good both cameras are today. I’ve been shooting with the S5II since it came out about a year ago and for the price there isn’t anything out there that competes with it. I do wish we could get the new features from the G9II via a firmware, but only time will tell. Looking forward to more Lumix content!
@ononearts 7 күн бұрын
I had asked another channel if phase detect auto focus is a thing that could be updated for an S1H in software, because the S52X has it, and was told that it is not possible because phase detect must be built into a sensor. So, the sensors of the S52X and S1H are completely different. I love my S1H, and I’m looking forward to the new S1H2 (or whatever new cinema monster Panasonic has in the works for us)! As an aside, I used some stock footage recently that had pretty bad moire. I was able to completely get rid of it in DaVinci Resolve, amazing.
@FukemStudios 3 ай бұрын
Great comparison! Thanks!
@Josh_Sattin 3 ай бұрын
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
@odyssey.studios Ай бұрын
Excellent video, made my choice between these two cameras even harder!
@Josh_Sattin Ай бұрын
Thanks! Both are great cameras. Good luck!
@KwamenaA 2 ай бұрын
Reaply well done review. Subscribed!
@Josh_Sattin 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the support!
@thomas.kovacik 3 ай бұрын
These cameras are rad! Very interesting forsure Footy looks solid!
@Josh_Sattin 3 ай бұрын
Thanks Thomas! Yeah, great cameras for sure.
@photogenic2010 3 ай бұрын
if they make the S1h/ii with the (Phase Focus) + (Fan) + (SSD out) + (Baked in Luts) + all other Panasonic goodies (Waveform etc ) then it would be the ultimate professionals Hybrid. Both Film and TV + Photo journalists would love it. I found the colour stabiity to be better than other comparable brands. I got the G9ii for now (It replaced the S74). I will get the S1H-2 for sure... People already tell me that my production got better since I started using Lumix a few years ago. The AF was a challenge, Not any more.
@borderlands6606 3 ай бұрын
I take your point on lack of development in 4 years, but in the context of escalating camera prices, I find re-use of the 24mp sensor a positive. It means videographers are not having to re-equip with new lenses because the old ones lack resolution, and those of us using vintage lenses never get moiré! Great comparison either way.
@tom_k_d 3 ай бұрын
Quantum efficiency of modern CMOS sensors is already relatively high (way above 50%), so there isn't too much room for improvements, in regards to DR, from a physical point of view. The biggest loss of photons happens at the Bayer mask, but there is currently no way around using a Bayer mask for colour sensors.
@SuchetB 3 күн бұрын
I definitely see a difference in quality and dynamic range on the S1H, the image looks better than the S5iiX in most of the examples - And with the other additional extras on the body (better EVF and screen etc), it is definitely the better purchase, and autofocus is something that can be added to a cinema camera with many tools on the market today. I am also thinking isn't image stabilisation better on the S1H?
@szymons759 3 ай бұрын
so now we need R5C vs A7RV comparison
@aldolega 3 ай бұрын
I do remember something being said at the S1H debut about the sensor reading out in 14-bit mode for video, whereas the other cameras read out at 12-bit. Made sense at the time as the S1 and S5 had slightly faster readout speeds. Maybe this has something to do with the DR and image differences. Also, I question the assumption that the addition of PDAF is what's caused the slight degradation in the S5ii/S5iix image processing. I think it's more likely a limitation with processing power- I bet a faster processor would be able to handle AF duties without having to use a simpler/uglier processing algorithm. But the S5ii/S5iix are after all very affordably priced, that savings might have come out of the processor budget.
@hanjoe-han1563 3 ай бұрын
The reason that Panasonic said they held off on using phase detect sensors is because of the degradation in image quality that comes with it. The processor in the S5II and X is a brand new processor that they developed in partership with Leica (not a company that cuts cornners). Because auto focus has been a pain point for many youtubers, some of the other changes and improvements made with these camera are often over looked.
@ikamultimedia 20 күн бұрын
Did you test rolling shutter?
@RafalGendarz 3 ай бұрын
Hi Josh, are you recording your talking head videos with komodo? if yes, can you tell from which video you started using komodo? would like to compare, I assume you used blackamgic earlier..
@leemjdaley 2 ай бұрын
Dont forger the S1H has the better articulating screen, a better evf and a timecode port
@amolchaure821 3 ай бұрын
Which best camera
@quite1enough Ай бұрын
lumix should've added OLPF in s5iix, since it's video centric this or release something like S1H II with OLPF and phase-detect AF (and new sensor maybe)
@Josh_Sattin Ай бұрын
Yeah, I wish the S5II/S5IIX had an OLPF.
@Catabolicmuscle 3 ай бұрын
What internet provider do u use i live in suburbs At&t, Google, etc... not available here??
@raman139 3 ай бұрын
Please compare Lumix S5iix with Fx30 image quality and log difference
@Josh_Sattin 3 ай бұрын
Unfortunately I do not have a FX30.
@Ey3shi3ldtv 22 күн бұрын
OPLF + internal ND + AF from s5 IIX + 4k 120 p 4:2:2 for S1H II and we are really good to go There is a company offering to transform you s5 or s5 II with oplf for 700 $ that might be a good to go ( s5 = oplf )
@matadormartin 3 ай бұрын
Interesting stuff. CineD did tests on the S5ii with similar results...basically that there is a slight penalty in image robustness to implement the autofocus of the S5ii and S5iix. The original S5, S1 and S1H hold up just a hair better to a heavy grade, but not that most people would notice really. Personally I just find that the S5ii/x has a slightly more over-processed looking image just by a tiny bit, again most people would never notice so just up to your priorities I guess. I find it an interesting reminder though that just because there are cameras coming out all the time, it doesn't mean you are automatically getting a better camera just because it is a newer model. Feels like we've reached peak camera 2 or 3 years ago now, and really it is about what you shoot with your camera rather than what camera you shoot with.
@stkuj 3 ай бұрын
Just curious if you've tried the Fuji XH2s...
@Josh_Sattin 3 ай бұрын
I did when it first came out, but that was a while ago.
@MinisterTravis 3 ай бұрын
Which one would you recommend for Low budget short films?
@Josh_Sattin 3 ай бұрын
The image quality and features are so similar, probably whichever you can find cheaper.
@photovideomusic 3 ай бұрын
Why are the S1H's results pushed in a bit tighter, as if you were about 1-2% more zoomed in?
@Josh_Sattin 3 ай бұрын
The cameras are different sizes so I had to reposition them as best as possible to get similar framing. I did my best. Thanks for watching!
@photovideomusic 3 ай бұрын
@@Josh_Sattin Ah ok no worries.
@RafalGendarz 3 ай бұрын
Does Blackmagic has better image quality than those?
@Aviciiz 3 ай бұрын
According to imatest the DR is a bit less and so is the lowlight, but you do get an olpf.
@coin777 2 ай бұрын
5:40 You sure the settings are the same? They look DRASTICALLY different here, and not before.
@mex5341 3 ай бұрын
i would like to see s5 vs s5II ,cuz s5 now costs 1200$ on B&H
@POVwithRC 3 ай бұрын
Tons of comparisons on KZfaq. A ton of ton of them.
@mex5341 3 ай бұрын
@@POVwithRC I know
@jessecumberledge4530 3 ай бұрын
I have had both for over a year. S5 has the recording limits in 10bit recording modes, so that sucks. S52 has much much improved Autofocus, open gate, and a clever fan design that eliminates overheating. S5 has the slightly better image. Less green and slightly less noise in the shadows if you try to raise them in post. We use both interchangeably. Only time I pick the S52 over the s5 is for gimbal work because of the better AF. I have never had the S5 overheat BTW. But that 30min limit can be a pain.
@mex5341 3 ай бұрын
@@jessecumberledge4530 i am okay with 30 mins limit , now I am thinking about to get second S5II for 1750$ or S5 body for 1200$ , but I also take photos and use IBIS a lot .
@markwiemels 3 ай бұрын
Wow. This is really interesting, I think you are right, the OLPF is just a weak one. The S1H is a real bargain used.
@user-sh8op2ku3c 3 ай бұрын
S1H is a more serious camera in terms of image , it's really noticeable
@jackdubs25 3 ай бұрын
I don’t feel like there’s much of an image quality difference
@user-sh8op2ku3c 3 ай бұрын
@@jackdubs25 And I see it is very noticeable
@ryszardzokowski812 3 ай бұрын
@@user-sh8op2ku3c It more placebo effect than real difference. Show me where it looks better apart from shadow recovery.I have S1h and S5ii, and difference is marginal.
@Nemastic 3 ай бұрын
@@ryszardzokowski812 I have had the S1H for four years and have been using the S5IIx since it came out. The S1H image is noticeably superior in almost every way. I find S5II internal to be over processed but when comparing pro res raw footage from these cameras, its harder to tell a difference.
@KobusGevelspar Ай бұрын
True. Visible from the first comparison. It is still my favorite choice, but having the reliable AF is sometimes nice.
@daniellove162 3 ай бұрын
With your beard and shirt I'd appreciate if you did these reviews holding an axe. Just a suggestion.