M1 Mac SSD Swap Issues Explained: Should you be WORRIED?
Рет қаралды 399,569
3 жыл бұрынReports have been EXPLODING about the SSDs in Apple's M1 Macs wearing out way too quickly because of excessive SSD Swap Memory usage. Is this ACTUALLY a real threat? Let's find out!
The BEST M1 Mac on Amazon (ON SALE) ➡ geni.us/1mJ41T
Support us by checking out our Merch! ➡ teespring.com/stores/max-tech...
Max tech wallpapers ➡ bit.ly/2WNc6Qw
Best deals on M1 Macs & Accessories on Amazon ⬇️
M1 MacBook Pro (ON SALE) ➡ geni.us/7lb3Gn
M1 MacBook Air ➡ geni.us/1mJ41T
M1 Mac Mini 2020 ➡ geni.us/Atm1
OWC Thunderbolt Hub exclusively for M1 Macs ➡ bhpho.to/37SIff7
Thunderbolt 3 SSD that we use ($100 OFF) ➡ geni.us/zWdO
In this video, I explain what SSD Memory Swapping is, as well as why this concern has only recently been brought up with the new M1 Macs.
I then get into real-world results we've found online from real people to see if this is actually becoming a common problem or not.
Then, I finish off with some tips on how to avoid this issue if you're worried about it.
If you enjoyed this video, Tap Like & Subscribe for more videos like this one!
Max Tech Wallpapers ➡ bit.ly/2WNc6Qw
Buy one of our NEW T-Shirts to help support us! ➡ teespring.com/stores/max-tech...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Shop on Amazon ➡ geni.us/wB2mWqd
Shop on B&H ➡ bhpho.to/2kfoI34
Shop on Adorama ➡ bit.ly/2R7qezq
10% off unlimited yearly music licensing on Soundstripe (what I use for all my videos) use coupon code "Max" here: soundstripe.grsm.io/e/6lv
Shot with (Amazon) ➡ geni.us/XE0r
Lens (B&H) ➡ bhpho.to/2DZerxL
Mic (Amazon)➡ geni.us/83CN3V5
If you enjoy our content please consider supporting us on Patreon. Even $2 a month helps us make more and better content for you!
/ maxyuryev
~-~~-~~~-~~-~
PRIVACY POLICY and FULL DISCLOSURE:
°Max Tech is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com
°Max Tech is a participant in the B&H Photo Video affiliate program that provides an advertising commission if you purchase through our links.
°If you purchase something from our affiliate links will get a small commission with no extra cost to you. This makes it possible for us to make more videos. Thank you!
°We DO NOT collect, store, use, or share any data about you.
~-~~-~~~-~~-~
@MaxTechOfficial 3 жыл бұрын
Were you surprised by the results we got on our M1 Macs? What about those software bugs? Comment your thoughts below! The BEST M1 Mac on Amazon (ON SALE) ➡ geni.us/1mJ41T Subscribe for more videos like this one! Best deals on M1 Macs & Accessories on Amazon ⬇️ M1 MacBook Pro (ON SALE) ➡ geni.us/7lb3Gn M1 MacBook Air ➡ geni.us/1mJ41T M1 Mac Mini 2020 ➡ geni.us/Atm1 Support us by checking out our Merch! ➡ teespring.com/stores/max-tech-store Max tech wallpapers ➡ bit.ly/2WNc6Qw
@goobfilmcast4239 3 жыл бұрын
Worried about Hardware issues on the Mac M1 ??? Get AppleCare !!! Problem solved. BTW, Totally Maxed out M1MacBook Pro with AppleCare will cost you $2747.76 ...... Base M1 Mini with AppleCare will cost $853.86
@elgrau 3 жыл бұрын
Your genius links aren't working fam
@robinbramlett110 3 жыл бұрын
Not surprised at all and I’m sure there are going to be more bugs to come. That’s just the nature of new technology. Apple will eventually get it all worked out and more software will be able to work natively on the new chips. Until then I’ll be rocking with my Intel Mac!
@AlejandroEarthPerson 3 жыл бұрын
you might be right.. it does seems to be a software bug, but NOT associated exclusively with Rossetta.. I reviewed and killed some apps like you suggested. And in the last 12 hours I was able to identified the 2 (from the ones I used) that impacted the most the Memory Swap, Whatsapp (Intel) and Chrome(M1). Having stopped using both, the Memory Swap went down from 5Gb to 300Mb or even 0Mb most of the time. I'll keep testing over the weekend, you can compare this too using both of your macs.. (use chrome with at least 50 tabs). Using a 16gb MBA M1 1TB btw. Thank you
@sylekim 3 жыл бұрын
One of the reason why I still love my MBP 2012. Upgradeable ram + upgradeable SSD/HDD. I am still using it up to now. but its kinda showing it age. But id hope they retain SSD/HDD/storage upgradeability
@pangyongjie6940 3 жыл бұрын
9:57 is the answer for those who had no idea what’s going on and just want an answer :)
@LordLoldemort7 3 жыл бұрын
tyyyy omg u saved me time
@lewis4493 3 жыл бұрын
You're a G!
@bgenesis12 3 жыл бұрын
You rock. However his solutions are bogus. Basically pay apple hundreds of dollars more for extra ram and storage. I can see the storage if you have loads of photos and movies. But only 16gb if you're like a content creator or editor or something. You'd be fine with a base model of you just browse and listen to music. This video kinda served no purpose but to worry people and get views.
@tismanasou 3 жыл бұрын
Nice solution. Pay 1K more to just push the problem 2-3 more years. I choose to give 1K more to buy a killer AMD laptop with NVIDIA RTX graphics.
@cnotakufromus 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@kamerenoliviabutler4452 3 жыл бұрын
Boy freaked me out just to calm me down and say it’s okay😂😂
@HoshikageKisame134 3 жыл бұрын
😭😭 me too
@jepulis6674 3 жыл бұрын
Did he offer to refund you though?
@yossiitzinger 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, windows and Linux use swap too, but you can switch the SSD when it dies
@njpme 3 жыл бұрын
When it dies, your data is gone.
@user-cs9uu2pg8h 3 жыл бұрын
@@njpme the point is you wont throw out the whole device because its not soldered to the mainboard like what apple fucking did
@Olivia-W 3 жыл бұрын
@@njpme Backup? The issue is not that you lose data, the issue it that when the drive dies the entire laptop becomes unusable.
@warrenheaton2814 3 жыл бұрын
There are Windows based products that do not allow you to change either the RAM and/or internal storage because it’s an integrated part, they just don’t get the attention that Apple products do.
@warrenheaton2814 3 жыл бұрын
@@Olivia-W Actually, the issue is that you have to swap out more than just the Flash Storage, but not the entire laptop. With the storage integrated into the motherboard, it becomes a motherboard failure. There’s every expectation that that the M1 MacBooks will hold up as well as the iPads.
@deear 2 жыл бұрын
Might be good to revisit the topic after a year or so, to see if there are actual issues for M1's?
@The_Penguin_City 2 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7mPqLOm0LbZn2g.html
@tunacanimece9027 2 жыл бұрын
I have lost 5% in 1 year which means my ssd would theoretically last 20 years at this rate
@MT_20_24 2 жыл бұрын
@@tunacanimece9027 i have a macbook air m1 8gb ram 256gb ssd , can i install a 16gb ram and 512gb ssd ?
@tunacanimece9027 2 жыл бұрын
@@MT_20_24 no you can’t because m1’s ssd and ram are non replacable
@MT_20_24 2 жыл бұрын
@@tunacanimece9027 😢 thanks for responding back
@bsiah9073 6 ай бұрын
I strongly believe that it was done intentionally by Apple to generate more profits. Sure the unified memory, Apple Silicone chips are powerful, and sure they wanted to keep the performance high and the best as possible. But, they took advantage of this issue and tried to make a buck by putting a really high/ridiculous price tag on the higher storage space and Rams. Honestly, these RAMs and SSDs don't even cost much them, particularly when they are procuring them in mass manufacturing, they profit at least 100-300% for each upgrade people do. The fact that Apple never even came out and explained this makes this so much more valid.
@suisiruy 3 жыл бұрын
If you're worried.. just pay more and buy more terabytes.... Best Apple advert ever.
@stephangauthier911 3 жыл бұрын
THIS!!!! I just watched a whole video of an apple apologist. I really despise these kind of things as it hurts the market and evolution. We all pay a hefty price (pun inteded) for this kind of behaviour.
@samguapo4573 3 жыл бұрын
I actually agree with him. That was my plan. To get the 512 or 1tb. Although I'll probably use 100gb only.
@mzamroni 3 жыл бұрын
It won't solve the problem. Even high end consumer ssd only has 150 TB write. My 6 years old 256GB ssd with history of heavy vm based labs usage is still on 27 GB write out of 75 GB spec. This m1 mac os is indeed has ssd handling problem
@BartechTV 3 жыл бұрын
@@mzamroni You are absolutely right. My heavily used 2017 15" MacBook Pro that edited hundreds of 4K videos was at 18 TB written when I sold it after 2.5 years. My 2016 12" MacBook is at 17 TB written after 5 years of use. My M1 MacBook Air is almost at the same level of TB written after 8 weeks.
@samguapo4573 3 жыл бұрын
@@eithw5100 I'd rather pay more than have a shitty product screw up on me.
@masx4813 3 жыл бұрын
They shohld return : 1. Glowing logo 2. Replaceable SSD
@cybercery5271 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@ADeeSHUPA 3 жыл бұрын
@@cybercery5271 uP
@mts.camilo 3 жыл бұрын
That’s why I still have my trusty 2012 non-Retina 13” MBP. Oh, never mind. It’s just bc of how expensive the M1 is in my place...
@masx4813 3 жыл бұрын
@@mts.camilo what ?? In my country has same price between intel / m1 MacBook air / pro
@mts.camilo 3 жыл бұрын
@@masx4813, the Intel MBA is not sold here anymore, but the M1 is at BRL 12,999 ($2,340 USD). On the MBP side, the baseline M1 is at BRL 17,299 ($3,110 USD) and the lowest-spec remaining Intel MBP 13” is at just BRL 23,899 ($4,300 USD). That’s why Apples don’t show up often on our tropical gardens...
@old-wise-one4473 3 жыл бұрын
While the M1 issue is likely software for many of these, there is also the other variables which we often see in Intel systems which can also cause similar issues! ● Under sized RAM for the users usage i.e. Photo/video editing with 8GB when they really need 16 or more of RAM. The size of the project also comes to play. ● Running lots of Chrome tabs! I had one person show up with over 30 tabs setup to start every time the system was started up. ● Any app running multiple documents uses more swap space! Apple took away an important feature years ago to allow you to run the same app re-entrantly. As an example you can't launch iTunes twice which was a cool feature for those who wanted to edit their library with the songs proper name leveraging the iTunes store. ● Run the system with too small a SSD or over full drive! The OS and your Apps need elbow room! Having your SSD controller having to run: Wear-leveling ,TRIM and garbage collection needlessly!
@talbeckbarlstilskin7452 3 жыл бұрын
Apple should be paying you for clearing this out...
@Maximara 3 жыл бұрын
No they should not as it may not be Apple's fault. Not all people are reporting huge swappage to their SSDs.
@vvhh4284 3 жыл бұрын
@@Maximara a lot of people don't even know how to check the TBW, not even this guy who posted the video couldn't install a simple smartctl to check it.
@Maximara 3 жыл бұрын
@@vvhh4284 And Longhorn didn't do the basic cross check of TB*100/percentage = TBW and find out his numbers indicated a TBW for the drive of 1579 (15.7*100/1) nor that 1% in 2 months would mean 100% in 200 months or 16.6... *years* . Your point?
@vvhh4284 3 жыл бұрын
@@Maximara exactly what i said, many people don't know the TBW. Mine Wrote 1TB in 4 days. It wrote 600gb while asleep for 3 hours, Apple clearly has some bugs to fix. That means with bugs like these I could reach a pretty hefty TBW in about 2 years.
@Maximara 3 жыл бұрын
What about Microsoft who has their OS flipping *defrag* the SSD?! www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-10-alert-defragger-bug-defrags-ssd-drives-too-often/ When is Microsoft going to point that out? As pointed out the raw writes don't tell you jack. The *percentage* is the key number here what is your percentage?
@diamondbreak 3 жыл бұрын
I think what we're being concerned right now is not the near future issue but the post 5 years degradation of what would happen next if we could not replace the unit.
@magnussusanoo518 10 ай бұрын
You can replace it using SSD chip from other M silicon macbook, if you replace with used macbook, SSD chip must be degradated so use a new one or throw away your old macbook and replace it with a new one with new chipset This ESG system is unfair because apple shouldn't be labeled as an "Eco Friedly" company, because of their some ridiculous reason people have to replace their laptops more often try Framework if u want more flexibility
@Barbu_Deluxe 3 жыл бұрын
Love the pace of your videos. It is so much easier to understand for the non fluent in English. Good work !
@leonugraha 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully this kind of issue will be resolved in the upcoming MacBook Pro 14” and 16”. The M1 Mac lineups performance is so tantalizing, but certainly they are still in bleeding edge phase.
@tomsaltner3011 2 жыл бұрын
Did you understand what “software based” means? Neither SSDs nor swap space are anyhow “bleeding edge”.
@jutjub22 3 жыл бұрын
I switched from 8GB to 16GB (SSD 512GB), in my workflow, for 30 days it was like this (I use some apps that are note ported yet for m1): - 8GB 16.5 TBW, -16GB 2.5 TBW Pretty significant upgrade for me, had a bit of lag in some extreme cases with 8GB too.
@The_Penguin_City 2 жыл бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7mPqLOm0LbZn2g.html
@AFatOcelot Жыл бұрын
How big was the difference? I just bought the 13 mbp 8GB 512 ssd for the extra chip and 10core and feel like I got kinda screwed esp with the old look…I didn’t realize it would be deficient in ANY way except extreme gaming
@jutjub22 Жыл бұрын
@@AFatOcelot this was 2 years ago, some software was still using emulation over rosseta too, so that used kore memory. With 8GB I had lags and issues, Chrome was reloading tabs too, but I use it for programming, running Docker, Visual Studio, Xcode, Slack, Discord. So it is not casual use… Not sure, you would be fine with M1 with 16GB ram too. Or even 8GB for light usage.
@AFatOcelot Жыл бұрын
@@jutjub22 hm ok. I haven’t had any issues with even 20 tabs all running videos in testing so it’s been great so far
@jutjub22 Жыл бұрын
@@AFatOcelot it will be fine, takes a lot to make it lag. SSD is super fast, so even with memory full, it works well.
@libertarian1637 Жыл бұрын
You can actually replace SSD chips, it just takes more skill; Apple switched to soldered on memory, both RAM and ROM because they don’t want user upgradability as it takes $ away from them. I’ve been a long time Apple customer and have upgraded a lot, at least on models that are upgradable. NVME SSDs are just as fast as Apple internal storage but they’re just user replaceable and upgradable which lets you extend the use of your computer instead of buying another one. Some parts naturally wear out like batteries and Apple’s fight to remove repairability demonstrates they hate both their customers and the environment because it forces otherwise functional machines to the trash pile.
@NormalGadgetLab Жыл бұрын
Honestly such a high swap usage is incredibly scary since normal use don't even come close to 2-20TBW in a month. Sure the SSDs may last longer than their rating, but the risk of failure increases as well. Max Tech is always kinda based.
@alexanderpeter219 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation, now we just need to figure out the WiFi connection issues that are occuring in macs, in particular M1 macs.
@mark-qi6di 3 жыл бұрын
I thought you made a video showing that there is no difference in swap for the 8GB model versus the 16GB.
@lukasworbs3388 3 жыл бұрын
The performance difference between 8 and 16gb with a full ssd would be verry interessting
@gillesbkf4315 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody let his ssd fill up completely, think about it. Imo it will just dump unnecessary ram usage when it reaches 80% Ram uses
@danfuerthgillis4483 2 жыл бұрын
No laptop or Desktop should be swapping with 8 gigs of memory, it is because users are MORONS and don't know shit about Computers and applications and the memory required that these things even exist. I have never ran Windows with a swap file. Windows XP all the way to Windows 11. This explains why M1 mac users are having this issue and not a peep from the Window crowd. I don't know a single person who I know that runs Windows with a swap file, this is the first thing you disable after installing Windows ( hybernation is the next one).
@tomsaltner3011 2 жыл бұрын
@@danfuerthgillis4483 Think again. It is often not the user but the apps and use cases (such as rendering…) using up mem, swap- and diskspace.
@tomsaltner3011 2 жыл бұрын
@@danfuerthgillis4483 So you did never use swap on Windows, you believe that this is a good idea and you think that this is a specific „problem“ of Macs and M1? You also believe that most non-Mac-devices are configured as you do? This is simply not true. Swap space is the standard config for all operating systems since a long time, and for a good reason. And if you had followed the video, you would have heard that if you really want, you can configure any OS out there w/o swap space and it is not M1-related at all. It just isn‘t wise, except for some very rare technical use cases with extreme real-time requirements… Even unified memory is not a new concept. It was called „Chip-Mem“ on AmigaOS in the Eighties… ;)
@danfuerthgillis4483 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomsaltner3011 I do a lot of audio and video stuff so my systems do not run any services ( My IMac or Windows machines) and for many years no swap file we are not in the 1990’s with 128 mb of ram. There is no reason what so ever for any system with a “Competent” users needs to have this shit on period end of story. No IT user worth his ball sack would see this any other way.
@powergear5 3 жыл бұрын
Nice and detailed analysis, well explained too, thanks for making this video!
@davidgitano27 3 жыл бұрын
Great clip Max. You always come out with great content. 👍🏼
@aek_tiesto 3 жыл бұрын
I recently purchased an m1 mac, prior to that, I watched several videos on this channel. Now after this explanation, it's worth subscribing. Thanks for the great work and keep it up!
@DragonsinGenesisPodcast 3 жыл бұрын
My SSD has been going strong for 6 years with no noticeable issues stemming from swap. Swap isn’t anything new. People are only recently learning about it and freaking out.
@juangil384 2 ай бұрын
It’s because its a M1 chip issue. M1 macs just turned 3
@commonce420 3 жыл бұрын
Needed to see such video. Thanks!
@jrbees929 3 жыл бұрын
@ Max Tech, this video has been **super** helpful and **informative.** Thank you!
@brunorbf 3 жыл бұрын
The issue is not the swap file. Most of the modern OS, since the 90's use swap file. The issue lies in the fact that if the SSD dies, you cannot replace it. For me that is a non starter (buying a computer that I'm unable to replace or upgrade the ram and storage), and you should all be conscious of the 'right to repair'.
@modhatter113 8 ай бұрын
Yes, I agree whole heartedly with your comment. It appears that Apple has joined the "disposable club" along with so many others including major appliances, which are also very costly to replace.
@jiridanieltravnicek7192 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! So is it a bad idea to buy the 8GB RAM version?
@williamyang93 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, learned a lot about RAM swapping and glad to hear it’s not something to worry about! Would love to have a follow up video about recent M1s
@jackronald3591 3 жыл бұрын
wow, Great video and investigative work! Thanks! ..and nice Max Tech jacket
@thebusinessfirm9862 3 жыл бұрын
I tell you what...you blokes are bloody good! Tremendous research and information. Thanks for making this great video, mate.
@ryansmith9711 3 жыл бұрын
You guys are my favorite tech channel… The amount of research you clearly put into this piece is crazy. I bet you spent eight or 10 hours on the Internet just to come up with these succinct and well thought out facts… Kudos.
@MuzammilHussain619 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed!👍
@ryansmith9711 3 жыл бұрын
@@texyrexy Was your comment sarcasm?
@ryansmith9711 3 жыл бұрын
This is a serious comment. I think you all do amazing work and I can see that you put in a ton of effort to get this video done. I post this reply because some people do not know how to read a compliment. I'm making sure this positive comment does not go off the rails.
@kudivani 3 жыл бұрын
He should do an actual work on it not just browsing the Internet and he would find out that you can easily use more than 1TB [mostly via kernel_task writing] due to swapping. I have 16gb RAM and when I work in Lightroom and than edit in Photoshop just few pictures swapping is on [more than approx. 1GB seams to be the trigger] and than kernel_task starts writing huge amounts of data, but it will not end when I quit Photoshop. Its using swap memory in same levels than before and the problem continues in Lightroom or any application I run... [Kernel is going like crazy]. Already 60TB written and 2% lifespan usage gone.
@ryansmith9711 3 жыл бұрын
@@kudivani To put together the statistics they had to do a lot of searching and collating of use experiences. The result is not just an opinion but a well-researched video. My point is simply that they did not just look at a few comments and make the video, they clearly dug in deeply and their conclusions are likely 100% accurate.
@SanjeevSingh-wc5cz 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining. Good video 👍
@kostasnikolopoulos194 3 жыл бұрын
Great video breaking everything down.
@Flameboar 3 жыл бұрын
This does not explain why Apple chose to solder the SSD onto the motherboard in the M1 MACs. This issue of SSD swapping is not a potential problem on other computers because their SSDs can be easily swapped out if there is a lifetime problem.
@mhacker84 3 жыл бұрын
that's Apple...
@rajsharma-wh2xx 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England bro u should not be here. u r just apple fan. and people here talking about longevity of the product.
@jimtincher7357 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England soldering the SSD doesn't make it any faster, you just can't replace (when it fails) it or upgrade it yourself. We're in the 21st Century... this should all be modular.
@rajsharma-wh2xx 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England lol in which world u leaving? agendas and facts u r talking about are your own assumptions not tech
@michaelkeudel8770 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England I have a 512gb crucial mx500 ssd in my desktop, only 3.4Tb written so far, and the life counter is down to 72% remaining, so your comment is nonsense.
@aleexnova19 3 жыл бұрын
Gracias por subtitular el video 👌🏼
@princashamletas8722 3 жыл бұрын
More useful videos like this. Thanks for your work!
@bocapiano1 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video, much appreciated
@JohnnyMotel99 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 2018 MacMini and over 2.5 years it has swapped about 17.5TB of data (using smartmoncontrols). My MBA M1 has written 13.9TB in just 6 weeks....
@SasduPlessis 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, this is some solid stuff. Thanks for your thoutough investigation and clear explanation of this. Could you recommend an app to check the SSD swapping?
@Sarcasmka14 3 жыл бұрын
Good Video.... thanks for taking this type issue 🙂
@balletriverdance1058 3 жыл бұрын
useful! thanks for the great video 👍🏻
@mikebutkus 3 жыл бұрын
This is hands down the best explanation of the SSD Swap Issue 👏
@bizmonkey007 3 жыл бұрын
@@texyrexy Yeah, you beat me to saying it. Constant Geekery's breakdown is great.
@asdbef3667 3 жыл бұрын
nah ..not best..even had some major errors in explanation
@elingrome5853 3 жыл бұрын
Louis Rossman has angrily smashed his way into the chat
@TheWorld4all 2 жыл бұрын
Just because you understood it doesn't mean it's the best explanation.
@AppleReviews 3 жыл бұрын
*@ having 14 yeas Mac - me watching this on iMac 27 inch 2011 - and it still going WELL*
@Grojas 3 жыл бұрын
Very clear nice explanation of it all! Thanks!
@BreezeA 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the information. Great content.
@mikehuang3136 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to Max Tech again, you’re saving the world!
@breadone_ 3 жыл бұрын
bruh i swear he’s made like 20 videos in this shot already
@joerobertson7709 2 жыл бұрын
You're really good at explaining this stuff! Thanks.
@TerryManning 3 жыл бұрын
Outstanding video. Thank you
@cmdaltctr 3 жыл бұрын
Just make the ssd repleaceable. Its an existing problem that we all know exist. But oh wait, apple won’t allow ssd replaceable. They are not about saving the environment- its about making more money. Thats all nothing so complex about it.
@orbit354 3 жыл бұрын
It would not be as fast and efficient then.
@TheInchii 3 жыл бұрын
@@orbit354 really? How much slower it would be 10-15%? Whats better if you use your machine as an Professional, have 10-15% slower ssd or one day find out that your ssd died and you lost all data, or replace the whole motherboard after 2years if you are heavy user because ssd will be used so kuch that you will need to change motherboard. Performance is important but i would rather have a few % slower machine but be safe and have in my mind that if ssd will die i can change it without problems. Here you will have to swap the whole motherboard if 1 of the elementa will die, until you are under warranty you are fine but if this will happen when your warranty will expire then well just order the new one. Sorry but If i pay 1300euro for a laptop I expect it to work at least 4years and be fixable without losing data or that reapir will be as expensive or more expensive than getting a new one.
@somnia3423 3 жыл бұрын
@@orbit354 why shoudnt it be?
@orbit354 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheInchii if your ssd dies you’re losing your data no matter what 😂 Just use an external hard drive or icloud. You’re not safe with a replaceable SSD. I don’t know why you would think that. It’s not only 10-15%. Mac os is definitely profiting from the Soc and the implemented ssd. Power efficiency is even more profiting of that than the Performance. If your ssd dies and that’s very unlikely, the customer service is going to fix it for you. It’s more difficult to repair but not impossible, you definitely don’t have to buy a new MacBook. And you can use your normal macbook way longer than any windows laptop.
@warrenheaton2814 3 жыл бұрын
What’s bad for the environment is how users choose to discard the device or component after it has failed. Apple will recycle your computer at no cost to you, even if they didn’t make it.
@serang 3 жыл бұрын
If a laptop has only soldered SSD, no matter what OS is running on it, the owner should be worried. It's a bad design to begin with 🤷
@Jittrippin2050 Жыл бұрын
They are doing this to make people buy MacBook Pro, this is why I hate Apple.
@o.oe.7764 3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this video! Thanks! Best regards from Germany! :-)
@nicoled985 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation!
@jeremydean5336 3 жыл бұрын
I own Apple M1 with 16GB Macs. A MacBook Pro and a Mac mini. I’m not happy that Apple hasn’t comment on this issue even if it isn’t a problem and if it a bug.
@taylorshin 2 ай бұрын
I also had a Mac Mini 2008. It came with a snap lower cap that can be opened easily to expose memory slots. So easy to upgrade. The SATA 2.5" SSD was a bit of challenge to get into. But it was at least easier than arranging cables in an ITX PC. Now?
@dulistanheman 3 жыл бұрын
Since everybody use RAM swap, I will "Download" the RAM then 😁🎉
@doomtomb3 3 жыл бұрын
Download this tool to increase the speed of your computer
@YPO6 3 жыл бұрын
You wouldn't download a RAM?
@maggyy_ 3 жыл бұрын
i got 32 gb totally free
@jomarnavarro7 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, ram cant be downloaded on m18 mac's, silly, don't you see they are soldered? :)
@MauroMarcenaro 3 жыл бұрын
so ppl must write and think what u want?
@BespokeFotografie 3 жыл бұрын
Great, informational video as always 👊🏻😎
@paulwharton1850 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent ! Such a good & clear explanation. Many thanks......all the way from London.
@AndrerDiogo 3 жыл бұрын
you guys have honestly became one of my fave youtube channels! this video was very informative and very clearly presented. thank you!
@iscaro78 3 жыл бұрын
I started to use Microsoft Remote Desktop BETA for M1 when it came out and me swap usage now is half the size it was before!
@teachingislam4life639 3 жыл бұрын
Is this a joke? If not, where can I find it?
@smithjohn5217 3 жыл бұрын
Finally the requested video is up 🙏 Max 👍🏾
@kaustubhlambe3492 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video bud!
@rorywalters1614 3 жыл бұрын
If you transfer several TBs of data everyday for sure you're gonna wear out the SSD real fast. They're doing this intentionally. No average users do this.
@nobodynemoq 3 жыл бұрын
actually, my M1 Air (8GB RAM, 512GB SD) does about 2TB SSD writes a day 😕and I'm not a "power user". I'm using mostly Chrome, and - maybe this is the real reason - Messenger and WhattsApp applications, which appeared to be Intel-based. I've just switched to web-based versions and we'll see...
@michaelkeudel8770 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England you do know the edge is built off of the chrome code base right?
@michaelkeudel8770 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England its built from the exact same code, not from scratch or from the ground up, your talking nonsense.
@michaelkeudel8770 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England they are BOTH built from the chromium code base, yes chrome was built first, and any and all changes were imported back into that same code base. If you think MS hasn't added it's own code into its edge build, then I have a bridge to sell you. MS builds hooks into the OS, it did exactly the same thing to Netscape, look up embrace, extend, and when it achieves enough marketshare, exterminate. That's how Internet Explorer ended up everywhere, because only IT ran MS specific code in the browser. It's another case of lather, rinse repeat. It was the reason for Microsoft being charged and convicted for anticompetive antitrust issues.
@attha2 3 жыл бұрын
i dont mind this issue in mac if ssd is replaceable.
@galefraney 3 жыл бұрын
Super informative!!
@farraelena4570 3 жыл бұрын
Omg.. what an amazing explaination. Thank you.
@Dabbaranks 3 жыл бұрын
Great work! Really appreciate the work you do for the community! I am already at 28TB after 5 weeks of ownership. (M1 Macbook Pro 16 GB / 1 TB). I have Migrated Data from every macbook i've owned since the mid-2000, including to this M1 from a 2013 Macbook Pro retina 15 running Mojave. After some digging and looking at Activity Monitor's disk activity, the main culprit in my case seemed to be 'kernelmanagerd.' It seems people have been having issue with 'kernelmanagerd' (an extension control task) causing fast power drains, but for me it was writing over 20GB to my SSD in under 1 hour after a reboot. I guessed that it was one or more old extensions that BigSur didn't really like. After wiping, doing a clean install, and installing apps fresh, I have not had this process write to my drive at all. In fact, the process hasn't even appeared in my Activity Monitor at all since reinstalling. I will keep an eye on things, but this seems to have fixed my issue...
@ataturk4779 3 жыл бұрын
What is your new daily swap usage now ?
@arjunsinha1307 3 жыл бұрын
Yes?
@ulaganath 2 жыл бұрын
Did you restore from time machine or started all fresh. How much after clean install from 28tb till now.
@MrVanderwel 3 жыл бұрын
"Before you get mad at Apple, do, because they've made it so that you can't swap the SDD out at all" - Fixed.
@fishreact 3 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but they've also made the M1 unique in that it won't boot from an external drive after the internal one inevitably dies. It requires a working internal drive to even work. Many of the 2015/2016 12" MacBooks you find these days have dead internal storage, and since it's soldered it can't be swapped out, but you can at least continue to use them with an external SSD. not so with the M1.
@computernerdinside 3 жыл бұрын
There are plenty of ultrabooks that have soldered flash memory as well.
@toldim79 3 жыл бұрын
@@computernerdinside The only difference is on those windows laptops u still can order the new flash chip and replace it if u are skilled enough but it's not the case with M1 cuz probably u never will able to get a new one.
@computernerdinside 3 жыл бұрын
@@toldim79 Also realize that the standard customer isn't going to replace a flash chip. Good luck finding shops that will for a reasonable price, without just outright replacing the board.
@toldim79 3 жыл бұрын
@@computernerdinside You are absolutely right about the standard customer will not able to replace it as mentioned "if u are skilled enough" but still u have to look the big picture. Even though if not everybody will able to replace still some workshop would able to do it and with this, it will reduce the electronic waste which is a big problem besides the fact that is super frustrating if u need to through your MacBook into the bin just because it has a faulty SSD which would cost low as 25 euros if it is a standard 120GB SSD. So if we are talking about the price of a single embedded SSD chip it supposes to be cheaper than 25 from aliexpress to have it soldered with some workshop it will cost 80-100 euros in Ireland still an acceptable price if u compare how much will cost u a new mac. So don't get me wrong i am not saying this chip is bad, it has a pretty decent single performance, cuz It is a very compact design it is a very fast hardware cuz the memory chips are sitting close to CPU and the MACOS is tunned only for this chip, but ones the motherboard die the end-users will pay the price of this compact design, which is not the best thing when we suppose to be "green".
@paragonmusic4523 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the detailed review
@win-yr6wp 3 жыл бұрын
Great video ! Keep up the hard work
@NoelJrComia 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite tech review channel, together with linus!
@dstrelnikov 3 жыл бұрын
I'm having 3% lifespan usage, Data Units Written: 175,977,801 [90.1 TB], unboxed begin Dec 2020. it writes about 1TB a day
@DarkCloud360 3 жыл бұрын
You should check some of your apps then
@dstrelnikov 3 жыл бұрын
@@DarkCloud360 Im having Intell mac pro heavy loaded with daily docker (50GB) from same date and it has only 1/6 of the usage (15TB) :-D
@jamesgrantham1743 3 жыл бұрын
I’m no excusing apple for this but at that rate you’ll still get 8 years from the MacBook which in my eyes is good for a laptop and that’s if they fail to sort the issue or it fails at 100% hopefully not
@skip741x3 3 жыл бұрын
970 evo plus bought in dec... im at 5% ..use to dualboot big sur and win 10..
@bhanukamaddumage3802 3 жыл бұрын
@@texyrexy Lmao not gonna lie, you had me in the beginin😂😂😂
@MJ-zb4lv 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your thoughts!
@christianolivera8019 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Thank you!
@a224kkk 3 жыл бұрын
apple should allow hardware swap to really help the environment
@vaibhav2831 3 жыл бұрын
apple need money
@a224kkk 3 жыл бұрын
@@vaibhav2831 one of the most hypocritic companies on earth
@vaibhav2831 3 жыл бұрын
true
@vaibhav2831 3 жыл бұрын
just imagine everything in apple to be like system 76
@paristath6773 3 жыл бұрын
@@a224kkk If people are still buying their products, then theres no reason for them to lower the price.
@MadBert 3 жыл бұрын
I've bought the Mac mini M1 with 8GB and 512GB of storage (I need more storage than ram for a fair price) . Since it's first gen I don't think the computer itself is gonna last a great amount of years anyway it's gonna be outdated "soon" I expect 3 to 4 years, more 3 than 4. It happened with the first iPhone, First ipAd, First watch and is gonna happen with the first M1. In 3/4 years my SSD will still be functioning perfectly fine even with 2/3GB of swap memory when editing Photo/video that I do 3/4 days a week. I'm more "worried" about the lifespan of the whole unit rather than having more ram for"future proofing" something that is NOT future proof at all with that impressive but still first gen quickly ageing processor. I'm more into using it to the max it can gives me while spending the less money possible and buying a newer model in 3 years then I'll think what I need and I'll buy probably another Mac with a similar philosophy. Spend less, use it to the max and then buy a newer model. You an always earn some money back selling the "old" unit or just give to a friend so the rest can also enjoy the ecosystem.
@fonsui 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Personally I'd have done the intro to the concepts of memory, storage, and swapping using non-branded/non-specific examples; "computer operating systems use storage space to temporarily house data from memory, in order to ensure there is always memory available to the operating system and applications". Then we go on to make the point about the fact that these specific computers, the M1 machines - much like many others on portable Intel-based machines as well as every smartphone out there - also have their storage permanently attached to the mainboard, not able to be replaced. Finally, the actual question to be asked is "is the M1/Big Sur CPU/OS combo swapping too much?" because swapping and soldered storage are not anything new; the variable is the M1/Big Sur combination.
@SalemAlketbi 3 жыл бұрын
absolutely the best explanation for this issue. 👏
@lawrencelim6890 2 жыл бұрын
*** Important UPDATE: - this bug was fixed in the Mac OS Big Sur 11.4 software update. This issue was caused by a data reporting error which overestimated ssd usage.
@asianstud7 2 жыл бұрын
Did they fix the non compatible dongle issue?
@lawrencelim6890 2 жыл бұрын
@@asianstud7 Mac OS Big Sur 11.2.2 and 11.3 fixed the issue with usb c adapters causing macs to fail.
@asianstud7 2 жыл бұрын
@@lawrencelim6890 thank you. but it doesnt necessarily mean all dongles will work right?
@lum123 3 жыл бұрын
Max, I’m feeling more relieved now !! Thanks !! And one question: if I use an external SSD memory, like a sandisk SSD, would this probably reduce the use, wear and then the future problem in the SSD fo the MacBook?
@divya11114 3 жыл бұрын
Nope. The M1 chip will write to the integrated SSD by default. There's no way to change the swap drive preference as far as I'm aware.
@alvareo92 2 жыл бұрын
Not for swap or OS stuff, yes for any files you regularly work with. Like if you’re a photo or video editor and you keep them all on that external drive, it will help
@michelandre4325 3 жыл бұрын
Succinct and well presented - Thank you
@PumperWolf 3 жыл бұрын
I have 32gb of ram in my iMac, I never fill all the capacity but i use 24gb in total when I have a lot of stuff open
@timha4102 3 жыл бұрын
I‘m not so sure I can keep calm when a couple weeks of webbrowsing gave me 5% SSD wear. Imagine trying to sell the Macbook in a year or two and your buyer reads 90% wear in the Smart Values. „But Max said, you shouldn‘t worry about it.“ ;)
@coolaj86 3 жыл бұрын
I just upgraded from a Macbook that lasted me almost 10 years (and still had more life in it). The idea that my SSD might break in a matter of 2-3 years *is* terrifying.
@Elevengotone 2 жыл бұрын
sounds like perfect timing to replace the ssd after your apple care expires!
@gabrielsonoflight5803 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice video! Thank you a lot.
@kanakbagga3824 2 жыл бұрын
Great informational video. Thanks a lot :)
@samguapo4573 3 жыл бұрын
Apple can fix this by making the SSD's removable.
@rajsharma-wh2xx 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England rip only person supporting shit done by Apple. U must have also supported removing headphone jack, then charger from box and now usb port itself. apple laptops with glued battery.
@tundealuko 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England Everyone knows this but still decided to buy Mac. Everyone has the option to go for Mac or Windows laptop, you can decide to get a windows/Linux machine that is open, but again we chose Mac that’s closed.
@rnd3898 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England And what if your ssd fails before Apple acknowledges that the problem even exists? I own a MBP 2011, the gpu failed after my warranty expired but before Apple was forced to start the logic board replacement program. So I had to buy a new laptop, since the repair would have been outrageously expensive and it would have been only a matter of time until the new gpu would fail again. Obviously no laptop manufacturer is perfect, but it's beyond me how people can defend Apple for treating their costumers like shit, when it comes to repairs
@rajsharma-wh2xx 3 жыл бұрын
@@andyH_England if that's the case why apple not giving 3-4 years warranty on their products?
@raptorduck8785 3 жыл бұрын
It will make it slower... Look at apple and compare with the competence, the other seller of all in one and notebooks. Apple is the one giving the long life span of all, and by much. Im a dude who buyed Lenovos and HP and those notebooks life span are trash, in 3 years you have expensive bricks. With Apple you still have support for 2012 macbooks, and they are still alive. The M1 with that integrated SSD will last at least 5/6 years EASY, is nothing to worry about.
@SeanGold 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and very informative! I just wanted to share my experience on an M1 Air with 8/256GB and I've had it roughly 1 month now, and according to DriveDx I've written over 95TB's and used 9% of my SSD Lifespan in that time.
@kudivani 3 жыл бұрын
Similar here. Already 60TB written in 2 months. Obviously it is an issue for some users. What programs/apps are you running? I figured out some solutions for my swapping situation so maybe i can help you too.
@SeanGold 3 жыл бұрын
@@kudivani hello! Thanks for reaching out. My main usage is Lightroom Classic and a bit of CC. I've edited a couple small videos too. But this isn't even me using Lightroom like I normally do, just browsing and organizing with a few edits lately. I can only imagine what it would be if I used it really heavy. Any advice would be appreciated!
@kudivani 3 жыл бұрын
@@SeanGold so far i figured out these things: the main problem is if yor swap memory jumps above 0.5 - 1 GB [it could be different according to RAM], but when it does kernel_task starts writting like crazy and it is doing with all apps you will use [especially Photoshop and Lightroom]. So try to keep swap memory low. But if it jumps up finish what you need and then log out as user and log in, this should clear your swap, simple quiting programs [Ps and Lr] dont work. The triggers of swap memory: Lightroom's GPU acceleration. Turn it off! [I verified it few times, 100% sure] It seems Lightroom performance is the same. Lightroom's generating previews in parallel. Turn it off! [Not yet verified yet.] Photoshop. Nothing to do with this one. Finish job. Log out. Log in. And continue... And that is it. If it will help you, get back and comment here.
@Lonnie91a 3 жыл бұрын
So your new m1 is going to last 10 months and it will be junk? That’s not very good. Haha
@jordyjordyjordyjordyjordy Жыл бұрын
Hey! About a year on, do you have any updates on how this is going? Thank you!!
@garynagle3093 3 жыл бұрын
Sure points to software bugs. Great video
@miloklassen3792 3 жыл бұрын
I wanted a new computer for (1080p) video editing. I got a base m1 Air and I'm still paying it off. would you recommend getting an external ssd for video editing files?
@chuckmccollim 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your great research and work on this!
@JL-os7ml 3 жыл бұрын
My M1 (256GB) uses over 1TB data read and 1TB data written everyday.
@JarosawTabor 3 жыл бұрын
For me his explenation is so apple-fan. My Air is also swapping like crazy with over 18TB in 1 month.
@kudivani 3 жыл бұрын
@@JarosawTabor same here. What programs/apps are you running? I figured out some solutions for my swapping situation so maybe i can help you too.
@luisfelipegutierrezrestrepo 3 жыл бұрын
Great explanation!
@PK-le4yh 3 жыл бұрын
Very good video :). Cleared my worries :D
@2Evan 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant this! Well researched. Facts! 👏
@Smart.Potato 3 жыл бұрын
I recently got an MBP M1. before this I had and still have a MBP 13 2014 and the ssd is still going strong with no issues.
@sveddish 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but the 2014 MBP used x86_64 architecture, so it doesn't apply.
@Smart.Potato 3 жыл бұрын
@@sveddish lol What do you mean doesn’t apply? X86 based macOS doesn’t use swap memory?
@ronislivi 3 жыл бұрын
very clean and good way of explaining
@mzamroni 3 жыл бұрын
It is indeed big problem. Ssd hardware doesn't differentiate whether the written data is swap file or not. Regular consumer ssd usually only has 150 TB write
@ayokunlesunmola60 3 жыл бұрын
why am i seeing this hours after i bought the mac pro
@timmeyer6083 3 жыл бұрын
I'm at 8% of lifespan in 1.5 months with 129TB written, which is over 3TB a day.
@yassienE4935 3 жыл бұрын
I’m going to buy one.... should I be worried
@yassienE4935 3 жыл бұрын
@@-xYz--nk1gm I’m getting 16gb ram and 256gb storage just like my old Mac hopefully this issue won’t be a problem
@kudivani 3 жыл бұрын
Similar here. Already 60TB written in 2 months. Obviously it is an issue for some users. What programs/apps are you running? I figured out some solutions for my swapping situation so maybe i can help you too.
@yassienE4935 3 жыл бұрын
@@kudivani remove discord, whatsapp, chrome and any chromuim bases app
@kudivani 3 жыл бұрын
@@yassienE4935 how you know this would help? Is there some research on web?
@arnaud6104 3 жыл бұрын
so clear! thx bro
Гохич
Рет қаралды 2,7 МЛН
Home Gadgets Haven
Рет қаралды 9 МЛН