M1 Max vs Intel Core i9 Python Race

M1 Max vs Intel Core i9 Python Race | XPS 15 2022

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Apple M1 Max MacBook Pro vs Dell XPS 15 with Intel Core i9 12900KF in a Python implementation of the Mandlebrot algorithm.
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@andreujuanc 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, i appreciate the dedication, man. Testing not only WSL but also baremetal linux. PROPS.

@dinervc9582 2 жыл бұрын

There’s Linux for MacBooks. And I’m just gonna assume that it too would improve the performance. Maybe not.🤷‍♂️

@FlorinArjocu 2 жыл бұрын

@@dinervc9582 There are some drivers missing (graphics hardware acceleration etc.) from the M1 support in Asahi Linux. But the CPU part should work just fine.

@DiegoAguilera 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that was really great 👍🏼

@The_Penguin_City 2 жыл бұрын

Baremetal linux, jajaja. How do you supposed to use it? WSL is a lame pretext for incompetent windose programers fail to recognize failure.

@midophriya3657 2 жыл бұрын

RIP battery

@n0stalgia1 Жыл бұрын

Haven't watched your videos in a while. Came back now - the quality continued to improve! The testing is really thorough now, damn. Very interesting results, thank you!

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

welcome back

@AdhiNarayananYR 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know your channel. But found this video due to Algo. And I can say you’re making benchmarking fun again. As a programmer who has worked in windows, Linux and Mac OS this is was really fun.

@wayne8797 2 жыл бұрын

That’s totally unexpected. Would love to see more tests.

@ariqahmer 2 жыл бұрын

This channel is underrated man. You always doing a good job with the vids. Keep it up :)

@adamschackart6859 2 жыл бұрын

The CPython interpreter takes advantage of GCC/Clang’s “computed goto” and “labels as values” extensions to make the bytecode dispatch loop faster, so that should account for at least 10-15% of the performance delta between Windows and *nix.

@etaashmathamsetty7399 2 жыл бұрын

then there's the fact that the C standard api is like 50% faster on linux lmao

@yuryzhuravlev2312 2 жыл бұрын

you can build python on windows by gcc or clang as well

@manuelsuazo1125 2 жыл бұрын

@@yuryzhuravlev2312 or mac

@Jxff-ol7oq 2 жыл бұрын

On fedora 36, with the same xps 15 but with 64GB of ram instead of 32, I got 35s with default python install. I then installed pytorch because I could see you were using that, and got 27s. I feel like this is an important detail to mention.

@Serenezhu1995 2 жыл бұрын

Very quick and clear, good job. A new subscriber got

@ca7986 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing benchmark tests man

@wajdiballout 2 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait for Ubuntu (or Asahi Linux) to be fully supported on M Series Macs

@LouisChiaki 2 жыл бұрын

It will also be very interesting to see what happen if you train neural network on these machines. Especially, with those acceleration from Intel MKL.

@jinglinliang3921 2 жыл бұрын

it will interesting to see the CPU power draw on each machine during such test. I think windows is power limiting the i9 while linux doesn’t

@distant6606 2 жыл бұрын

@D R while that is true, that out of the box linux tends to drain the battery down more easily than windows, is you use something like arch on your laptop and build it up it will be way more efficient than windows

@ClifffSVK 2 жыл бұрын

@D R Linux distributions don't come with power saving utilities for battery powered devices for some reason. You have to install them. I use auto-cpufreq and also nbfc (for fan speed control).

@utfigyii5987 2 жыл бұрын

Slimbook battery. It's a quick and easy way to set battery saving, balanced, or performance.

@ClifffSVK 2 жыл бұрын

@D R Use either auto-cpufreq or tlp. Don't use both.

@gregorboxer2463 2 жыл бұрын

Then wsl wouldn’t be faster than raw windows

@andre-arthur Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video! Love how lot's of effort was put into these comparisons.

@kavahox 2 жыл бұрын

This video has been exteremely useful, thank you Alex! Pretty much all other reviewers do gaming tests, but I am sure people buying a computer to either do office stuff (whatever the f that is) and gaming are not the majority.

@TheDean147 2 жыл бұрын

Hey great video! What is that addon for MacOS to see live CPU usage and tempreture on the top?

@hfislwpa 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the improvement suggestions!

@j4nch Жыл бұрын

I'm curious about the DELL reduced power: I own a previous version. Have you checked if when it's unplugged, it is still using the performance power profile? I think by default the profile is changed?

@saminamanat 2 ай бұрын

Awesome video, I tried it on a core ultra 9 185H and got pretty similar results. 76 seconds on Windows (plugged in), and 46 on WSL. I've never used Rust before but I had ChatGPT rewrite the mandelbrot script in Rust, installed Rust in WSL, and got it down to 6 seconds! That's the true winner here haha. Thanks for making this man!

@MrJeffpeck 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Alex - just curious if you were running the same Python version in all of these tests?

@berkaybakacak 2 жыл бұрын

very educational (and entertaining), thanks :D

@alibinabdulwahab2857 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Alex, excellent video. Thank you.

@ctYeong Жыл бұрын

Best comparison video I have ever seen in my life

@PreludeSon 2 жыл бұрын

Such a dedicated testing video....thanks for the upload. By the way, when you're doing dual boot, did you notice that the Windows date-time is out of sync after the last usage of Linux when you boot into Windows?

@chriswho12345 2 жыл бұрын

Utc vs rtc.

@konstantin_urban Жыл бұрын

cool test, thank you

@xhinker 2 жыл бұрын

Good test! thank you Alex

@AZisk 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

@maxit1082 Жыл бұрын

Hey friends, do you think the base model of m2 macbook air would be enough for coding or should I upgrade the ram to 16gb. I’m an IT student and I do some tensorflow or pytorch python codes. And the second question is, is it better to upgrade the ram or ssd, due to its slower ssd on the base model? But something that bothers me is the price of MacBook air m2 with 16gb of ram and 512gb of ssd, I could buy a m1 air base model + an iPad air m1 for that pricing. Which one should I go with? The upgraded m2 air Or base model of macbook air + an iPad air.

@adriandebowski9152 2 жыл бұрын

I got question, is it wsl or wsl2 ? As i know there is difference that wsl2 is supporting Full Linux Kernel and Full system call compatibility

@Thomasmcse 2 жыл бұрын

Great video, love it !

@knack6157 2 жыл бұрын

Just imagine, if we get native Linux support on M1 Max. I want a Linux Laptop so bad..

@alejomakevids 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome benchmark dude.

@sucker10001 2 жыл бұрын

Alex, did you make sure that you use the same python versions? I see no note about that and did not hear sth about it. It surely makes a difference

@FlorinArjocu 2 жыл бұрын

Linux bare metal, finally some native tests, thank you for going all the way!

@semigene 2 жыл бұрын

Great test!

@dave2938 2 жыл бұрын

It would be really interestint to see how the M1 Max would compete with Asahi Linux instead of macOS in that test.

@hooyah 2 жыл бұрын

I just dualboot win11 and ubuntu 22 five times. And i getting my internet is slow. Idont know how to fix it. I've been searching but nothing help.

@bluetran1 2 жыл бұрын

Wonderful test!

@AndysTV 2 жыл бұрын

What if you use Linux vm in MacOS or AsahiLinux for MacBook does it boost the performance?

@paulfunigga 2 жыл бұрын

Did you turn on the high performance mode in the macbook settings?

@ragnarocking 2 жыл бұрын

I'm sure it was, but was Windows set to "performance mode"? Thanks for the demonstration.

@Krysstof 2 жыл бұрын

could "miniconda" versus basic python be an issue? I just run your command on i7-12700 and got 29s on a windows 11 (using pyhton 3.1 from the ms store)

@HDRPC Жыл бұрын

Wow insane. Is it true? I knew it. Dell done it even on 10nm x86. For me Dell xps is best Dell xps CPU only consumes 40 to 45 at max. That's limit in bios by dell. You can use Windows subsystems for Linux. Intel 10nm is faster than 5nm and Intel never goes above 80°C unlike mac 100°C This guy never shows dell power management app. You can turn on "ultra performance mode" in Dell xps even on battery and get same performance on battery like on plugged in.

@pillington1338 2 жыл бұрын

How’s the power consumption between the two machines during these tests?

@zeiras75 2 жыл бұрын

Great test! But can you do the test when windows install on the Mac?

@bautistap8515 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome comparison! Could you please compare some other software like video editing, photo editing, gaming, 3d software please? I have an XPS 15 9570, and was considering changing to M2 PRO when it is released. However, I am seeing Dell is back at the game with some great performance! Except for battery life Cheers

@HDRPC Жыл бұрын

100% true. Its CPU only consumes 40 to 45 at max. That's limit in bios by dell

@BackpackandGear 2 жыл бұрын

Can you change the mode in Windows to increase the performance also?

@gironth 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for this kind of videos Alex. I'm still giving my little baby steps on web development and linux. These videos are both educational and entertaining.

@seyeakintunde8225 Жыл бұрын

@AlexZiskind: How did you install Ubuntu on the XPS 15? Were there any issues with the installation?

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

it wasn’t hard, just found some yt videos to help me out :). i didn’t save them, unfortunately, and next time, i will make my own video so i can remember. however, when I had the alienware machine, that was impossible to install linux

@nunothecorsair 2 жыл бұрын

haha, thanks a lot for the WSL2 love Alex 💙 and great video as usual 🙌 For the difference of performances, only on WSL2 side, please remember it's a Hyper-V "microVM", so there's still an additional layer and WSL2 comes currently with a 5.10.x kernel while the bare metal is certainly running at least the latest LTS kernel (5.15.x) where potential improvements might have been added. Last but not least, for the fun of it I tried the script on Ubuntu (store), Arch (imported) and Alpine (imported) and the results where ... interesting: Machine: Lenovo Legion AMD Ryzen 7 5800H / 64Go / 1To Samsung SSD 980 Pro Ubuntu: 45s Arch: 47s Alpine: 1m11s If interested/interesting, I could test it with a newer kernel. But really only if anyone is interested 😅

@alienespinel 2 жыл бұрын

I am

@alanraftel5033 2 жыл бұрын

On my legion 5 pro 5800h and kernel 5.18, I'm getting 39.3s

@sebastianguerraty6413 2 жыл бұрын

I did not get that, were those times using WSL2 or bare metal? Thx for the info btw :D

@nunothecorsair 2 жыл бұрын

@@sebastianguerraty6413 The times I put are from stock WSL2, as Alex did. And Alan did with a newer kernel and it seems it gets better performances as I suspected.

@Ti-wy1fg 2 жыл бұрын

Using wsl on windows PC Intel 12700, it takes 25s

@Mr.AIFella 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Good video.

@illes79 Жыл бұрын

ah nice... wonder if u could do a scala/sbt test (maybe use triplequote/sbt-scalabench ?) - i cannot decide between xps-17-ubuntu or macbook pro 16

@tambourine_man 2 жыл бұрын

You could test it on Asahi Linux on that M1 as well. That should be interesting

@johnathankrausrig9237 2 жыл бұрын

im curious what happens if you have the algorithm written on the most optimized "higher language" on each os. Means Phyton on ubuntu and mac and c# on windows. i could imagine that the output of the phytonscript is slowing down powershell (since powershell is known the set flexibility over performance) and its outputstream handling is just... different. but im really suprised to see that the m1 is actually fast. not enough in my eyes to justify a change over as developer but, it is fast

@sukhmandersingh4306 Жыл бұрын

Python is way slower than c#, so it wouldn't be a fair comparison

@taz2392 2 жыл бұрын

Hi I feel really silly for asking this but it’s a question about Python. I’ve started about 6 web tutorials and I’ve done the hello world, made a game in terminal and a lot of other things in terminal. How exactly do you jump from that to actually building something which you can show your friends like an app a todo list a game or anything like that. I’m stuck in tutorial hell.

@AZisk 2 жыл бұрын

You start building something, and when you get stuck, look up a solution for your specific problem to get unstuck. Repeat until you have a finished project. Good luck.

@MrJeffpeck 2 жыл бұрын

There are a few ways to do what you want, and it really depends on your goal. One way is to build a web application in something like Flask, and your friends would access it through the browser. If you're wanting to actually distribute a desktop application, you are going to want to "freeze" your application. This essentially gives you a nice .exe file you can click on that has python + your application bundled inside. Since most of my work runs server side, I haven't had to do this in a very long time. Back when I was doing this, I was using py2exe. Fair warning - it could sometimes be a pain in the A@@ to get this working. I think there are better alternatives to py2exe now, but I haven't used them personally. This should at least get you on the right path! Also - if you are going to build a GUI, I have had very good success with wxPython. It is sort of an old library at this point, but still quite excellent once you get used to it.

@buddypage11 2 жыл бұрын

So, can you run it under Linux on Apple Silicon and does the speed increase similarly?

@unlopx2780 Жыл бұрын

How is the fan noise with the xps 15 compared to the Mac?

@canalperolasdanet2103 2 жыл бұрын

Can you test the m2 in android studio benchmark?i’m really curious thanks

@JS-wn8bw 2 жыл бұрын

Great Job, enjoyable and didáctic.

@NicolasMaton 2 жыл бұрын

Did you have high power on the Macbook?

@usakadam 2 жыл бұрын

Alex, worth to mention that is not all about the hardware, the main bottleneck in special cases would be the performace of filesystem. WSL is great, but the main bottleneck from my experience is NTFS. I did some testing on one particular project with heavy hot-reload server doing a lot of file changes at once and it was almost impossible to getting things work properly, so I need to set up a Linux Mint dual boot with ext4 file system and the project with hot-reload is running smoothly.

@asuasuasu 2 жыл бұрын

was this WSL1 or WSL2? WSL1 had a reputation for very poor IO performance.

@juralaes123 2 жыл бұрын

I have a dell 9720 and moved from Windows with DSL running Ubuntu to bare Linux running Ubuntu 22. The performance increase was terrific, also the reduction in memory consumption. Windows steals so much CPU and Memory that everything runs pretty slowly. Installing Ubuntu 22.04 was simple (other than removing BitLocker, and another thing in the Bios), and everything worked fine with no additional tweak.

@viorelanghel5532 2 жыл бұрын

this seems to be very dependant on the python implementation. how about a test based on a golang source compiled with go build and then run the binary?

@jamiermathlin 2 жыл бұрын

Very insightful, seems to me that Mac is the way to go, no hastle straight from the box performance and the battery lasts all day ! Just intersted in the price difference between the two machines, RAM etc, thanks for the video !

@HDRPC Жыл бұрын

Dell has done it. Its CPU only consumes 40 to 45 at max. That's limit in bios by dell. Intel 10nm vs 5nm Apple

@Cccoast Жыл бұрын

if you want to spend 1.5-2k more.....

@djangodeveloper07 2 жыл бұрын

you have any video to setup dual boot on windows laptop (windows + ubuntu) or just ubuntu.

@fooboomoo 2 жыл бұрын

Would love to to see battery performance for both of these ( under linux for the dell ). See which one runs longer doing a loop of this test.

@JoeWayne84 Жыл бұрын

You’d be plugged in running this type of load ever in real life most the time it’s kinda pointless. The apple Is a Normie toy the Intel Is a tool

@andreikashcha5880 2 жыл бұрын

It seems like you were recording video from your mac when measuring performance. Wouldn't recording a video affect time measurements?

@AZisk 2 жыл бұрын

it would, this is why i record video output on another device, not on the mac

@hugo9618 Жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to measure the fan noise as well

@marcosilva3041 2 жыл бұрын

Man, your review is so adorable, straight forward, funny and very simple/clear!

@andreassotirakopoulos7740 Жыл бұрын

What about running linux on the mac (via multipass) ? Would it be faster?

@BolusTube 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing performance by the XPS !

@HDRPC Жыл бұрын

100% true. Its CPU only consumes 40 to 45 at max. That's limit in bios by dell

@Cccoast Жыл бұрын

and WAY more pocket friendly.

@yousifarshak 11 ай бұрын

I tested it with XPS 15 intel core i7-9750 , windows 11 - Home edition and plugged in, it took 39 seconds. it seems a bit weird how can an older processor be faster than the newer one?

@pontiacgtx4801 Жыл бұрын

are they running the same library for each OS?

@filippocld 2 жыл бұрын

One more thing you could have tried is using Asahi on the M1 Max. I heard it's even faster than Monterey

@itsrairamones 2 жыл бұрын

sorta genius content about tech, I am a coder and looking at this test was really impressed me and convinced me that I ain't wrong for choosing mac as my computer to code

@yucao4399 2 жыл бұрын

I'm wondering if it's necessary to install linux on Mac to test it out as well

@bansterref Жыл бұрын

What is a good computer for programming and cyber students?

@broccoloodle 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alex, I am nothing to complain

@Killermike2178 2 жыл бұрын

Could you do tests with PyTorch 1.12 (which now has native support for Apple Silicon GPUs) soon?

@markoiugdefsuiegh Жыл бұрын

Which performance mode did you use on Windows? Balanced or Best Performance?

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

highest

@tobisegun-lean2593 2 жыл бұрын

Did you set up power management on the XPS?

@HDRPC Жыл бұрын

He didn't show so he didn't turn on ultra performance mode. This 12 gen in this xps in only 45 watt tdp. I7 12700h which is 90watt tdp inside Legion 5i pro 2022 is cheaper laptop and faster than this xps. 12900hx mobile CPU is the fastest Intel 12 gen laptop CPU. Dell xps CPU only consumes 40 to 45 at max. That's limit in bios by dell. You can use Windows subsystems for Linux. Intel 10nm is faster than 5nm and Intel never goes above 80°C unlike mac 100°C This guy never shows dell power management app. You can turn on "ultra performance mode" in Dell xps even on battery and get same performance on battery like on plugged in. I have seen many comments they downloaded python 3.1 from ms store and ran same code in Windows os in the same laptop and completed in 29 second. Read comments bro. Watch hardware chunks and short circuit video Dell xps 12 gen laptops has best battery out of all 12 gen laptops.

@davidggantt Жыл бұрын

What do you do with the old computers? My computer died the other day.

@onihanzo2495 2 жыл бұрын

wow , I really like your videos, can you install Linux on the Mac M1 and run the test?

@Lazzerman42 2 жыл бұрын

On Windows, the Dell Powermanager App controls the performance when plugged in/or not. Under Thermal Management in Dell Power manager, you can set it to Ultra Performance even when unplugged

@HDRPC Жыл бұрын

Yes bro. He don't know anything Its CPU only consumes 40 to 45 at max. That's limit in bios by dell. You can use Windows subsystems for Linux. Intel 10nm is faster than 5nm and Intel never goes above 80°C unlike mac 100°C

@babepp2813 2 жыл бұрын

why you don't try fedora ? (verion workstation) is faster than ubuntu or no?

@calvint3419 Жыл бұрын

Could you please benchmark something that utilize intel AVX?

@beamishjames 2 жыл бұрын

Both machines are incredible! My 10900K desktop only scored 43 seconds in powershell and 35 seconds in WSL2.... I'm in the market for a laptop, its a hard choice between those two.

@AZisk 2 жыл бұрын

yep. both are great. but i can tell you from experience, that selling a used macbook will fetch a lot more money toward a new machine in 2-3 years than selling a dell :)

@hugo9618 Жыл бұрын

Get both

@beamishjames Жыл бұрын

@@AZisk Thanks heaps :) I ended up getting the max'd out M1 max with 1tb storage - I've had it for a month and it is amazing.

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

@@beamishjames congrats 🎈

@brents2500 2 жыл бұрын

Great upload and very interesting results. I was actually shocked to see the XPS still performing so well when unplugged with Ubuntu

@martingorbush2944 2 жыл бұрын

That is because Ubuntu Linux doesn't have the same power managment features as Windows. When unplugged it doesn't change CPU'd TDP limts.

@HDRPC Жыл бұрын

100% true. Its CPU only consumes 40 to 45 at max. That's limit in bios by dell

@HDRPC Жыл бұрын

@@martingorbush2944 100% true. Its CPU only consumes 40 to 45 at max. That's limit in bios by dell

@Makwaje 2 жыл бұрын

I love the way you do the this 😂 it just gets more difficult.

@insenjojo1839 2 жыл бұрын

Most realistic rendition of Benchmarking Intel vs M1 and/or Windows vs Linux vs MacOS......subbed.....could you try an i5 H Series and compare with an M1 Pro if possible....anyways great stuff...

@alxt111 2 жыл бұрын

809s on my ancient desktop(Athlon x4) 377s on my cheap VPS 238s on my phone(Huawei Mate 20x) I wonder if there are any performance differences between the different implementations of the python interpreter on each OS. I would love to see this test on Asahi Linux.

@asuasuasu 2 жыл бұрын

yeah. CPython on windows is built using MSVC which has no support for computed gotos (that CPython makes use of, anyway), which strongly affects the performance of the main interpreter loop. i suspect interpreter performance depends a lot on compiler codegen quality, generally speaking, but i don't know how true this is for CPython.

@ir1keren 2 жыл бұрын

Can you do more tests with Windows Defender AV on & off? I'm curious 😁

@asuasuasu 2 жыл бұрын

i'd be surprised if it mattered much for a very CPU-bound workload. AVs tend to obliterate performance once you start being intensive on disk, to my knowledge?

@KaioStudio 2 жыл бұрын

Can test between nv cards with CUDA on pc Vs whatever equivalent on MacBook Pro

@sdeeyoktar8442 2 жыл бұрын

would be interesting to see the performance of it when compiled

@jzxynow2a8gs21 2 жыл бұрын

python is not a compiled language, dum dum

@wynegs.rhuntar8859 2 жыл бұрын

You have extra heat there while we're freezing to death here 🥶

@notiitans 2 жыл бұрын

Did you try M1 in linux? Curious to know if a Linux boot of M1 would change the speed

@peterdemachkie6323 2 жыл бұрын

I would be curious to see the results. On the one hand the mac hardware is very good, but it has also been optimized to work perfectly with MacOS so idk if using a different OS would affect performance or not

@KANGAR1982 2 жыл бұрын

im a bit uncomfortable with the 100 C temps on the M1 max, how were the temps on intel?

@HDRPC Жыл бұрын

Lower about 70 to 80 Its CPU only consumes 40 to 45 at max. That's limit in bios by dell. Watch any KZfaq video of dell xps. It also has excellent battery

@HDRPC Жыл бұрын

Intel 10nm faster than 5nm arm

@DJLeonardoTampere 2 жыл бұрын

Have been pondering whether to get 12th gen Dell XPS 15 (or Precision) or MacBook Max 16 for a long time. I'm a long time Dell&Linux user and do lot of heavyweight backend programming work. Finally decided to go the Apple route because it's hard to come by a 12th Gen Dell and MacBook performance per watt is really enticing (and hopefully less fan noise and heat). Watching these tests is really interesting, thanks Alex!

@DJLeonardoTampere 2 жыл бұрын

I have the MacBook in a box waiting for unboxing 😁

@FrankMadero Жыл бұрын

do you have a video on what it took to get linux on the dell 9520? If so what works and what does not?

@AZisk Жыл бұрын

i didn’t record the process, but next time will as many folks have asked

@alex.fernandes Жыл бұрын

What is the batery life in intensiv use?

@dmitry.gashko Жыл бұрын

Not sure about Ubuntu and XPS, but on my laptop on Archlinux I also use cpupower (cpupower-gui) and set performance mode there (it's in optimised by default)