M3/Pro/Max MacBook Pros - Top 10 Problems.. (for Apple)

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@MaxTechOfficial 8 ай бұрын

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@christopher3d475 8 ай бұрын

The single biggest problem is Apple is charging too much. Their ram and SSD upgrade costs turn people off and Apple doesn't seem to understand this.

@DaveTadros 8 ай бұрын

I would have loved 4 TB, but I couldn't justify spending $1000+ on that when I could get an external drive for $200.

@conquerorupam 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, on windows a good DDR5 16 gigs costs $50 where apple is charging$ 200 for 8 gigs.

@gpapa31 8 ай бұрын

They do understand it but they don’t care, people with that thought process are not their cash cow demographic, especially for those high end Mac models. It’s the equivalent of saying “Rolex is charging way too much for a watch thus putting off many people from buying them”.

@tomsun3159 8 ай бұрын

Think of the cost of an reasonable Gen3 NVME Device (this should match performancewise) forthe cost of on upgrade from 256GB to 512GB you will get a 2 TB upgrade. Downgrading the ports in number and perfomance is also not a good idea. Increasing the price in the same rush also not good. The usual apple customer buys the macbook to match the colour of its watch and iphone and perhaps browse a few internetpages (there was still the intel mac more than enough), yes you can do some videoediting and photoediting on theses devices (but still on the the M1s) besides this genre WORKING on these devices is mostly a problem as the usual software packages do not exist in apple silicon NATIVE versions. And yes there are a lot of other professions than webdesigner, tiktok influencer or wedding photographer. E.G. Is there a NATIVE CAD Solution (industry accepted!) I think the bigger problem is a broad lock of professional solutions beside the media area. And every performance gain the made is (same in the PC area) pure synthetic and can't be transformed to equally more productivity. If your computer renders a video in half the time it does not mean that you now can produce double of content! All the other parts do take the same time than before. furthermore this rending can be done unsupervioned. So the computrer just waits longer for you to interact with you again.

@yordan826 8 ай бұрын

agree and also apple gotta stop starting base pro models with 8gb of ram, that base M3 pro model could be a best seller at $1600 but is turning buyers away because of the 8gb of ram.

@jakubduda 8 ай бұрын

8GB of ram in a "pro" machine in 2023 is just a joke. Poor sales well deserved.

@manuelrosa263 8 ай бұрын

It will be fine for some people, i got m2 pro 12 core with 16 of ram and with autocad and onshape i only use like 2GB of ram

@Doctor0529_ 8 ай бұрын

Apple really greedy with that 8GB of ram for $1,600 laptop 💀

@marcusrauch4223 8 ай бұрын

@@Doctor0529_ consideering that it is in the 14" chassis with it's upgrades over the 13", and that it starts at 512 GB istead of 256 GB, it is like 100$ more expensive than the M2 macbook pro with 512 GB was.

@harry6083 8 ай бұрын

After seeing that not planning to head to Apple and stick with Windows/Lenovo.

@davidkaplan5517 8 ай бұрын

@@manuelrosa263it doesn’t matter if it’s “fine” for some people…. For $1600 it should have 16 GB. If it’s fine for people to have 8 then charge $1299.

@professorh8398 8 ай бұрын

Reducing memory bandwidth is a crime

@haydenlee8332 8 ай бұрын

yeah. I’ve already seen this happen with Nvidia and AMD with their GPUs. Seeing Apple do the same with their M3 chips just makes me realize how little power we have as consumers

@4070super 8 ай бұрын

@@haydenlee8332 exactly, it’s hampering performance and maybe I’m the uninitiated and don’t know how silicon design works and that it had to be that way for some reason, but I can’t help but feel that these companies are slowing me down on purpose to make the graphs look the way they want to drive me upwards or come back much earlier than later.

@photoniccannon2117 8 ай бұрын

@@4070superit’s actually pretty hard to saturate the memory bandwidth on these things. Anandtech ran some benchmarks on the original M1 Pro/max a couple years ago and had quite a lot of trouble figuring out workloads that could do it.

@pauljazzman408 8 ай бұрын

Yes its pretty disappointing. Maybe Apple have done it for some technical reason that the M3 chips got too hot. But they have increased the clock speed. Not sure what effect that will have

@AaronFigFront 8 ай бұрын

Well, we will need to wait and see the test results. With dynamic caching, it might be already sufficient for all the configuration for the pro chips.

@dima1353 8 ай бұрын

Main problem is that It's long overdue for a new paradigm for memory and storage pricing. Base for 256/8 $1100-1400 - it's just not serious. As well as $200 for each minimal upgrade. People know how much memory costs. It's just so blatant and obvious, almost insulting. I even want to say “hey, Apple, can you deceive us somehow more cunningly?”

@AndyJMacLeod 8 ай бұрын

In this economy, people need to justify every dollar. They won’t hand over hard-earned cash unless they believe they’re getting value. Apple’s pricing isn’t realistic enough.

@4070super 8 ай бұрын

@@AndyJMacLeod yeah man and apart from maybe the ram which is unified which still I don’t think they should charge that much, the ram is the same PCie tech as everyone else so we gotta ask, where are these prices coming from?

@valdir7426 8 ай бұрын

yes ffs 256 was already the base storage space 10 years ago

@techinrl9869 8 ай бұрын

You guys need to check around more. All the major laptop vendors are charging $150-200 for the lowest memory upgrades and many of them start at 8GB. None of this is unique to Apple. They're basically charging similar prices to everyone else and starting with the same base configurations. I'll give the example of the Microsoft Surface Laptop 5. It's base model is... 8/256. They charge $200 to go from 8GB to 16GB. Hmm.

@TamasKiss-yk4st 8 ай бұрын

You know that how much is the memory, but you don't know that they are nowhere near the 200GB/s transfeer speed? Even if you buy 2 piece of DDR5 and use it with dual channel, it's still only reach 105GB/s.. so you can complain about the SSD price too.. it's also have smaller capacity and it's "only" faster like the HDD..

@piteshmistry9957 8 ай бұрын

Main reason is because the M1 chips was sooo good, most people are happy to keep their laptop for 4-5 years before upgrading. Hence why they kept saying in the Apple Event the huge leaps over the Intel versions, so thats probably who they are trying to target mostly... I bought an M2 Max Macbook Pro back in March and I intend to keep this laptop for 6-7 years before upgrading...

@heyjianjing 8 ай бұрын

True, when I get my M1, I know my next upgrade would be M4+ at earliest, it is so good and worry free

@tnt4457 8 ай бұрын

Fully agree. I love my M1 Pro 14 inch base model.

@MichaelGehmair 8 ай бұрын

I agree - the target audience are all those still on intel machines. No pro user with a well configured M1 or M2 should feel the need to switch. (And that is usually the audience who preorder those things) I just got my son a base M1 Air for school because his intel broke down. Even with the base configuration he should be happy for some years. I wouldn’t even be surprised if M1 or M2 base model sales are increasing again after the M3 release

@RichardStefanits 8 ай бұрын

And then there is no real, well groundbreaking benefits with the M2/M3, even the performance jump is mehh. (remember, real life performance is always under what benchmarks suggest) On some models the ssd is slower and the chip is running, well, hotter. Also the sound quality is not the same as on the m1 versions, so wtf is that ? "optimization" ? :D

@petrzurek5713 8 ай бұрын

This. I got the maxed out M1 Max MBP16 and it is soo good that the only thing I am willing to buy is an extended warranty 😀 . I don't see any reason to upgrade to M3 Max

@haydar_kir 8 ай бұрын

I want windows laptops to succeed more than ever. Competition is always better for consumers.

@ed61730 8 ай бұрын

Windows laptops are doing well?

@pauljazzman408 8 ай бұрын

Isn’t it hard to find a windows laptop with all the features of a MacBook and speed when not plugged in?

@honey4xi 8 ай бұрын

Who wins the best chips maker for consumers in 2023: Apple vs Intel vs Qualcomm?

@fmax6000 2 ай бұрын

@@pauljazzman408it’s impossible. Non existent. Nada, lol

@ViraDrama 8 ай бұрын

8 GB. of RAM for the entry Macbook Pro model in 2023 is my main reason. Otherwise, this will be a good machine for me to upgrade from M1 Air😎

@jeromescott2113 8 ай бұрын

I don’t think Apple is expecting people with M1 or M2 Macs to upgrade, it seems like they are trying to get people on Intel Macs to make the move to Apple silicon. While Parallels is convenient, there are still limitations to VMs that aren’t a problem with Intel Macs.

@ahaimes6320 8 ай бұрын

M2 was a filler year, so YT creators should not compare it with the M3. The fact M2 Macs sold poorly was that most of us were waiting for the 3nm M3. So any comparisons should be against Intel or M1.

@srxshadow 8 ай бұрын

You are absolutely right. They know that most Intel MBPs are nearing the end of consumer's update timeline due to aged hardware (i.e. battery, keyboards)

@Minttusuklaarae 8 ай бұрын

Hey when you get the new macs, can you please test if the GPU improvements (ray tracing, mesh shading and dynamic caching) will make a real difference in 3D workflows? I'm talking Cinema4D, having a real-time render view open on the side etc. Especially curious to see the real differences between M3 Pro and M2 Pro :)

@OmniVisionElite 8 ай бұрын

GPU wont even come close to competing with a dedicated unit like an NVIDIA chip. Its not even close still.

@fmax6000 2 ай бұрын

@@OmniVisionEliteit’s on par with 4050-4070 and in some few takes exceeding and on par with 4090. Not 3D rendering, still not there. It they are getting there and they do care about it.

@Anhedonis 8 ай бұрын

Problem 11: Memory bandwidth downgrade. I’m fine with the efficiency cores, but the sneaky loss of memory bandwidth irritates me.

@danteburritar2822 8 ай бұрын

waiting for test results to be honest… wanna see how good the Hardware Raytracing and Dynamic Cacheing works

@thaZeref 8 ай бұрын

Same

@troypast3589 8 ай бұрын

Ditto

@DynamicPhil84 8 ай бұрын

Appreciate that you guys called out inflation. The M3 Max chips do sound legit amazing based on the recent benchmark leaks, it's the first time I actually feel like Macbooks are competing against high end Windows laptops. But the price hikes are just absurd. For Apple to push these new chips out of the gate so quickly, hoping to make up for the lackluster sales over the past year, but to price them this high in this sort of economy, literally makes no business sense to me.

@zt9233 8 ай бұрын

it makes sense almost. They will make more money per unit sold and since they're only selling to people who absolutely need it, they will sell the same amount but make more per unit.

@abirahmed1292 8 ай бұрын

Waiting for M3 Air. M3 Air with 512GB and 16GB Ram is sufficient for my workload. I was so eager to buy M3 pro but apple really messed up with the price. With 1600 price tag I am not getting 16 GB Ram is such a big scam.

@Drew1218s 8 ай бұрын

Apple will probably still charge you $1,400 - $1,500 for an air with those specs lol.

@yuanyao5824 8 ай бұрын

I am leaning toward buying a refurbished M2pro macbook pro

@ethanjrdz 8 ай бұрын

@@yuanyao5824 You won't regret it. M3 Pro doesn't seem like an upgrade at all, and M3 Max is way too expensive. I got my M2 Max refurbished from apple back in May, and it's just perfect (massive deal), upgrade in any single way compared to my 13" M1 MBP

@91Wtr 8 ай бұрын

can you do a review on which laptop to get for Logic? I know the number of cores count mostly for that decision, but with all the new models having more efficiency cores and the older 5 nm versions still available here and there, and the reduced bandwith at the M3 Pro what to choose?e.g. a M1Max vs a M3 Pro etc.

@75gmag 8 ай бұрын

I currently have a MBA M1. I got so excited w/the new M3’s and placed an order for the the base model one. But after seeing all this, I cancelled it and ordered a M2 MBP refurb instead. Thank you for this!!

@prod.infinity7226 8 ай бұрын

would the macbook pro max be a good purchase for someone trying to move over from windows to mac? instead of waiting for oled?

@basketballman2013 8 ай бұрын

I am on a MBP 14inch 2018, I’m thinking of upgrading, should I wait or get this one?

@JJFN-zm3ky 8 ай бұрын

Is the m1 14inch still worth it or should i get the m2 air..They kinda are around the same price..I just like the starlight on the m2

@truecuckoo 8 ай бұрын

4. m1 is just too good. My update cycle on intel was 4 years due to mostly advancements in video editing. With my current m1 pro, I think I won’t see a reason for updating in a looooong time, unless I go into VR creativity or something like that.

@mireldarmovsum-zada1241 8 ай бұрын

hey i have macbook pro 16 inch with i9 8 core 16gb also 1tb and i am thinking of getting new mac 14 inch with m3 pro. should i get it or wait?

@vishalmatam 8 ай бұрын

This is one of the best videos from you guys. I got insanely excited for the M3 Max chip but the moment I saw that there's no FaceID I just tuned off. Just a new color is not gonna cut it anymore. Hopefully next year we can get the OLED and FaceID on the MBP. M1 Max is so good, I'm gonna hang on to it unless there's compelling changes.

@jasonmdt 8 ай бұрын

When did you film this?? They are pushed back 2 weeks from the original ship date

@joeys02 8 ай бұрын

Hey, I've currently got a 13 inch MBP 2017 (8gb ram, dual core CPU, 128gb storage) and am looking to upgrade. The computer works fine apart from music production (what I mainly use it for, I produce somewhat heavily and need a decent CPU + 16gb of ram i think. At a bit of a standstill currently deciding what I want to do. I'd get a M2 Pro 16 inch refurbished if i could, but it seems like theres no deals yet in the UK for it. I feel tempted to just pull the trigger on the base 16 inch M3 pro, but was wondering if there was a better option for me for the money. I have the Student discount on the apple store which would make the base 16 inch £2389. Anyone got any advice? Would appreciate. Saw an M1 pro macbook pro with 512g and 32 gb ram refurbished for 1800, but feel like at that point i may as well spend the extra 589.

@preontorkhisha 8 ай бұрын

I want to see comparison between m1 pro 16 inch base vs m3 base MacBook. Because in my region m1 pro 16 base model cost around 1800$ and i like larger display

@Electro489 8 ай бұрын

My 2023 M2-Pro Macbook 14" is totally fine. There simply is no reason to upgrade to M3. Would it even be an upgrade anyway?

@macalatus 8 ай бұрын

Honestly, the M1 Macbook Air and M1 Macbook Pro 14 is still the best bang for your buck for 95% of people. So much so that I have yet to even see a Macbook M2 in the wild outside an Apple or Best Buy store.

@geoffstrickler 8 ай бұрын

I agree. Pricing and configurations are what is hurting sales the most. Retail price of RAM in Q3 2020 when the M1 Air was introduced was $2.70-$3.00 per GB. Today it’s half that. But Apple is still putting 8GB in base configurations and charging $200/8GB. It was an outrageous premium in 2020, getting $25 worth of RAM for $200. Today, it’s $13 worth for the same $200. Apple is charging $15x retail prices. Similar, story for SSD storage. Still have 256GB base models, and charging $200 for upgrade to 512GB, then $200/512GB above that. Current retail price for similar performing m.2 SSDs is about $70/TB ($35/500GB). Apple is charging ~6x that. Base prices and configurations haven’t changed either, except for the processor. 3 years of declining RAM and SSD prices, not a bit of change from Apple.

@angiebcraftsdesign 8 ай бұрын

Hi! What do you mean when you say "Binned?"

@AppleFanJohn 8 ай бұрын

Should I Upgrade My 2017 12 inch MacBook ?

@user-uc5xo7yu7n 8 ай бұрын

When the M1 family was made, the prices for each device were "reasonable" for Apple's standards and the lineup was great. Now, they are just getting greedy. Creating more confusing lineups just to upsell the expensive models while prices are increasing for non-US countries. I'm still going strong with my M1pro and probably not gonna upgrade for a long time until maybe that rumored 12inch comes out or anything that has a compelling price. 200USD for a 16GB ram upgrade is just stupid. Good thing for us is that Macbook sales are getting worse especially for the pro models so Apple will probably soon figure out how wrong they are and actually start to care about their consumers.

@thesullivanstreetproject 8 ай бұрын

They will never care about their consumers, but they will definitely take action when it affects their bottom line enough.

@zonoskar 8 ай бұрын

The biggest problem is 8GB in 2023. This should not exist anymore.

@porterneon 8 ай бұрын

I'm still on 16" i7 model from 2020. In my case upgrade will bring huge performance boost. Question is: shall I buy M3 or find something chipper with M2 max...

@hatproduction6975 8 ай бұрын

Great review 🎉

@LearningBtc 8 ай бұрын

I'm waiting for Comparison between m1 ,m2 ,m3 chip MacBook which is better under 1600$

@Jean90966 8 ай бұрын

Hello, Im a high school senior and I’m looking for a MacBook to use for my upcoming freshman year in university. I’ll be majoring in Pre med so I won’t need a super powerful laptop, but just one that can handle what I’ll be doing. My budget is $2,000. Can you help me decide what MacBook is best for me?

@atgred 8 ай бұрын

Macbook air m1 or m2. You don’t need anything much powerful. But if you want the latest best design maybe the $1600 MBP 14”.

@edphillips77 8 ай бұрын

The prices for RAM and Storage are absurd. If Apple wants to expand its customer base - cut your Ram and Storage costs by 50% and you will be amazed what could happen. Imagine if Apple expanded its install base by 50% - more software devs coming to the ecosystem - more users coming on board. The pricing Apple has currently is honestly so absurd it is offensive. The prices reflect insane greed and disrespect for customers.

@EngineFD223 8 ай бұрын

Is there an upside to the M3 Pro chips? I'm coming from an older intel MBP and have waited for nearly two years for an upgrade because your videos told me to basically hold off for 3nm chips. Now that they are here I feel like I waited for barely an upgrade over what I could have gotten a year or two ago.

@jaredstrauss617 8 ай бұрын

I’m coming from an intel mac. Seems like a great time to upgrade?

@user-ms8qg2rz5s 8 ай бұрын

Yes, for the Intel Mac

@zackery72 8 ай бұрын

I just really need a faster SD slot it’s crazy how slow it is on my M1 Max 😭

@Um-icky 8 ай бұрын

Wonder if Qualcomm arm chips will support NVidia graphics cards on desktops.

@edwinheijnen2403 8 ай бұрын

Maybe a bit off topic, when is the mc book air 15inch coming with the M3 chip. I prefer the smaller form factor of the air. And the air is becoming more and more powerfull for most tasks. Yes the display is not as good as the pro, and I miss the extra ports (especially HDMI). But is am shifting from the pro to the air since apple silicon

@thahleel 8 ай бұрын

Unless you’re a video editor, you won’t find any noticeable gain in performance over the base M1. The base M1 is gonna be enough for 90% of users for at least another 5 years, or until Apple introduce something that incentivises upgrading (there is currently no incentive)

@thahleel 8 ай бұрын

@@WorksOnMyComputer Even if there’s no support, as long as it’s still doing basic tasks good, no one in their right mind will want to upgrade. Most people use their Mac to browse the internet, watch KZfaq videos / streaming apps like Netflix and as long as it can do those things flawlessly, there is no incentive to upgrade. I don’t see myself upgrading until the M6 releases and even then I will doubt if I really need to. An incentive for me would be if Apple started selling storage/RAM upgrades at actual market rates or reintroduced storage/RAM slots

@drsuppan 8 ай бұрын

I agree. I was thinking about the 16inch, but not for the current price. Sticking to my 14 inch M1. OLED may change that

@carlix8035 8 ай бұрын

I’m holding out for the M16 extreme when it comes out. That way I won’t even have to get out of bed anymore. It will do everything. Only another ten yrs to wait.

@Quiqueleal85 8 ай бұрын

personally i am waiting on am everyday test to see how well are thermals and performances. i run on an intel macbook pro. also considering waiting on the release of the m3 Air

@bself1111 8 ай бұрын

Problem #11 - There are still a few of us out here who are still (happily) using Intel-based Macs to run software that won't run on the M-Series. I noticed several comments in the "Scary Fast" keynote with speed comparison to Apple "Intel machines" as though to coax holdouts to switch and add to Apple's bottom line. While Apple insists there's no Rosetta for 32-bit-meanwhile 32-bit apps WILL run on Windows 11 out of the box. This long-time Mac user is-believe it or not-thinking of switching to Windows to upgrade RAM and SSDs, and Nvidia support for 3D, AR/VR, (Apple get over the spat with Nvidia)-and then emulating the Mac for Mac-specific apps. My 2015 15" MacBook Pro has 16Gbof RAM and new 4tb SSD for just $200. To match that internal storage on the M-Series is a $2000 up-charge. Um, no. And I don't want an external SSD hanging around like a dongle all the time.

@paolaanimator 8 ай бұрын

I'm planning on getting the M3 Max laptop, but I'll be saving up from my job first before I purchase anything. I plan on getting extra RAM and storage. The price is hard to swallow but I feel like it will be worth it in the long run for doing 3D workflow, video rendering and coding. As long as it can accomplish my tasks then I'll hold on to my laptop as long as possible.

@r3negade47 8 ай бұрын

I just don’t know how long Apple can get away with making 8GB of RAM on pro models the floor. It should have been raised to 16GB standard.

@troypast3589 8 ай бұрын

For everyday productivity 8gb gets it done, but its surely not attractive. The cost increase for 12 or 16gb would surely be minimal, but they want their profits..

@r3negade47 8 ай бұрын

@@troypast3589 Yeah but if you want every day productivity you should just buy the air. Apple are almost mandating spending more than base. If you go for 8GB of ram here even if it gets you by it’s not future proofed at all. It’s price gouging which Apple does already but this is getting ridiculous.

@troypast3589 8 ай бұрын

I run VMWARE fusion for PC app I m forced to use. I like the extra power cores, faster ssd and a bit more ram, but otherwise an Air would be great.

@chadmullins7553 8 ай бұрын

I would love the M3 max, however, the cost is a bit much for me... I will probably be getting a Mac Studio M2 Max as I am mostly working at the desk and do not need to have the editing computer for travel.

@VitiateTheImmortal 8 ай бұрын

Same. M3 max was my target but in a studio not a laptop. It costs way too much in the mac book pro. So i am thinking to do the same as you and go with the m2 max

@SomeYute 8 ай бұрын

If you can.. just wait on the m3 max in the studio.. it will be significantly cheaper than the laptop.. you can spend less for same spec and arguably longer life

@chadmullins7553 8 ай бұрын

I can not wait, I am building a video editing business and need to get a computer for now... Would have loved the extra benefits from the M3 chip now, but must work within budget to start.@@SomeYute

@sherwinm 8 ай бұрын

I agree my MacBook Pro M1 is running well still. I’m interested in getting the MacBook Air 15” just to go lighter. I’m doing software development and some video editing. Nothing too crazy

@evvlau 8 ай бұрын

Totally agree. I am currently using 14” M2 Pro. I don’t see any reason for upgrade to M3 Pro from now. I would wait for M4 or even M5 to be upgraded again.

@CornCatz 8 ай бұрын

I really wanted to upgrade my old Intel Mac Air but the high price for upgrades put me off, I ended up with an ASUS Zenbook 14X with touchscreen OLED, face recognition, 16G ram and 512 HD on sale at BB for $699, very pleased with this laptop.

@billknight7342 8 ай бұрын

Yeah I have a M1 16" Pro and unless I got heavily back into video editing again I have zero reason to upgrade. Which is great... I like the idea of upgrading only once every five years so I can spend on a top model when it's time. Switched to a Mac never going back.

@joesalyers 8 ай бұрын

I think a lot of people are waiting to see the tests. Apple usually seeds a few unit to very big creators to show and test a day or so before to drum up hype. I love my M1 Max MacBook Pro 16 but I tried a friends M2 Max and it was snappier in audio production so I am really considering upgrading to the M3 family but I'm not going too until I see some tests to see how my M1 Max stacks up to the M3 Pro and M3 Max. My girlfriend on the other hand pre-ordered the regular M3 14 inch just for the Mini-LED screen and she has the M2 13 inch MacBook Air but she wanted the MacBook Pro screen. But comparing the M1 Max to the regular M3 isn't really going to tell me anything so I need to see some creators I trust do some tests before I spend $4000 on a new laptop.

@saharajohnson6481 8 ай бұрын

Most people keep their old MacBook Air or MacBook Pro longer and most people go and buy refurbished MacBook Air or MacBook Pro

@ahaimes6320 8 ай бұрын

The embargo ends on Monday so we should get more data.

@Cowicide 8 ай бұрын

Yep, I agree. Until content creators see actual, real-world production results with the M3 instead of "leaked" stats and often unreliable "benchmarks" they are going to hold off on purchasing them. So far most of the hands-on reviews have been terribly lacking because Apple only gave out early ones mostly to people that aren't going to show real results and instead focus on the black color and fingerprints which no one serious cares much about compared to actual production tests. Not to mention greedflation is making a lot of people tighten budgets. Before people spend many thousands they are going to make sure the speed bump is enough of a boost in productivity for a solid ROI. Who wants an expensive lump of tech for creating content in a dire economy where many average Americans are barely keeping their heads above water? When a huge amount of boomers are going homeless due to greedflation that we haven't seen since the Great Depression, go figure that many are getting worried that the bottom might be falling out and can't justify spending thousands of dollars on a gamble.

@srxshadow 8 ай бұрын

Agree their pricing is currently their biggest problem. You would expect that after having their M architectures dialed in with a 3rd generation, they may have found ways to offer cheaper alternatives... Macbook Pro line is really a complicated decision these days

@ads3453 8 ай бұрын

The problem appears to be the 3nm tech, the smaller they get the more pressure is put on the manufacturing equipment used and the fault / reject rate increases. So if they had stuck to the same 5nm or whatever was used on the M1 and were able to squeeze more performance out of it then it may have been cheaper.

@zt9233 8 ай бұрын

are you sure it's high? how much are equvilent windows laptops? They aren''t cheaper and not as efficient and screens are worse

@NetvoTV 8 ай бұрын

I see people mentioned they get the best they can and then use it for make than 5 to 10 years before upgrade, which I'm one too as I still use my mid 2012 15 inches MacBook Pro and now want to get the finally Ray Tracing M3 Max 16 inches MacBook Pro, but why do you guys who still have more cash not choose to use it for few years like within 3 years then sell and upgrade to even latest model? Use it longer build more emotion and know your machine better? Or don't want to deal with the resell hustle? Or other reasons?

@cheekyoscar1353 8 ай бұрын

simply brilliant ❤your the man 👍

@RedRockMaintenance 8 ай бұрын

I ordered one. Im running a 2017 Macbook pro so this is a huge upgrade for me.

@Johnov 8 ай бұрын

I believe #4 and #9 are the biggest ones. I have a Macbook M1 and iPad Pro M1 back in 2020 and 2021 respectfully, and both of them are still so powerful and efficient for my workflow that I don’t expect that there will be a need to upgrade for several more years to come. The state of the economy is also a major factor since this it isn’t a good time for many customers to buy/upgrade if they already have any of the recent Mac products.

@tysophearum229 8 ай бұрын

Is there gonna be a give away for the M3 macs?

@bemacbe 8 ай бұрын

I wanna see how they perform real world tasks before I order my next Mac. Ray tracing.

@TomHofmann 8 ай бұрын

From what I read in various forums it seems people are simply waiting for benchmark performance tests on KZfaq to decide if they want to buy an older M1 or M2 MacBook on sale at resellers or simply wait for the M4.

@myatix1 8 ай бұрын

I just tried ordering an M3 Max and with a 2TB HD but this has delivery due date of 5th Dec. :(

@QP9237 8 ай бұрын

I just canceled my order for that exact model with 128gb (around Nov 15-17) just now 😂

@myatix1 8 ай бұрын

@@QP9237That a shame… I only need 48GB’s ram however…

@adittoraian 8 ай бұрын

For a first time buyer, is the MacBook Pro M3 the right choice? Or should I get the M2 Pro?

@killalldotpy 8 ай бұрын

Depending on your workflow. But for most people, even the m2 15" air is good enough.

@adittoraian 8 ай бұрын

@@killalldotpy I do mainly video and photo editing

@ericmatthews8497 8 ай бұрын

@@killalldotpyAgree completely. Ergonomically, the 15" MacBook Air should only be compared to the 16" MacBook Pro. And you can get more performance from the 15" MacBook Air by adding RAM and a 1TB SSD, and still save $800 over a base model 16" MacBook Pro with *roughly* the same RAM and SSD space. I don't believe there is anyone who needs only a *bit* more performance. If you need more performance for a professional workflow then you should be looking at the M3 Max. The M3 Pro is so crippled, I think its design will be the basis for the vanilla M4.

@mr88cet 8 ай бұрын

I think you’re right especially in that the existing machines are already dang fast, and they didn’t add enough _other_ features to make it useful to upgrade. However, my studio Mac (Intel iMac 5K) could use an upgrade, so when an M3-Ultra Mac Studio comes out, I’ll be interested!

@angusbabb4913 8 ай бұрын

Please can you test the 14 inch M3 pro chip with Logic ,both the binned and un binned versions …can’t believe they threw away 2 performance cores on the un binned and expect it to be as fast as previously Pro chips

@ZeryusXD 8 ай бұрын

Excellent points! My 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro is still pushing strong for over a year since purchase.

@arvenes5921 8 ай бұрын

I am going for MBP M1 refurbished one soon this week or later. Would it last for the next 4-5 years or i should go for with M2 processor? 🙏🏻

@aaronmurgatroyd5810 8 ай бұрын

I am still using my M1 MacbookAir with 16gb of RAM, and it still does everything I need, I love the fanless design, knowing that dust and crap is not going to clog it up is great. So I will wait until the M3 MacBook Air comes out before I consider upgrading I think… Just my 2c.

@StingyGeek 8 ай бұрын

Problem #4 is not that the M1 is good enough, it is that Apple has not extended performance significantly beyond the initial benefits of the architectural change. As seen in PC space, gen on gen improvements typically are pretty minor. In Apples case, there was a lot of fluff about devoting silicon to improved ray tracing performance - which no one cares about.

@Sero62 8 ай бұрын

I am going to order my first MacBook Pro 16 right now. Mainly because of battery life of my MSI creator 16 and also of the fan noise. The only thing I don’t know right now is, if I should go for the maxed out M3 Max with 64GB Ram or the maxed out M3 Pro 36GB ram. I will definitely need to use parallels, because most of my programs don’t run MacOS. What do you guys think? Right now I have a 10875H Intel with 32Gb Ram, and the performance could be slightly higher. The programs I use don’t open and act as fast as they do on my Desktop PC. But at the same point battery is also very important to me. So which one should I go for? I don’t need the GPU at all, that’s the thing. And 32GB ram is most of the time also enough for me. I just need high CPU performance, but I also love a long lasting battery, so I can finally start working without a charger. So if the M3 Max is lasting I don’t know, let’s say 1 hour less than the M3 Pro, that would be ok for me, IF the Apple laptops really last 10 hours like everyone says.

@povo844 8 ай бұрын

Just go with the M3 Max. You will get more value for your money. M3 Pro has some downgrades from previous M2 Pro. Watch his other video on which models to get before you make this purchasing decision. Or better yet, wait for real world reviews.

@aevin_io 8 ай бұрын

if you're not editing like 4k videos , 64gb will prob be an overkill, save some money and get a bigger storage

@peterh.2488 8 ай бұрын

I will recommend you for the M3 Max 36GB version.

@RApdx74 8 ай бұрын

"I will definitely need to use parallels, because most of my programs don’t run MacOS." Then I would say you should just stay with Windows-PC. Why switching and loosing performance with Parallels emulating x86?

@Sero62 8 ай бұрын

@@RApdx74 because I‘m sick of a needing to have a charger next to all day, and of that crazy fans in windows laptops.

@johannmadrid8864 8 ай бұрын

I’m going to college for the first time next year and I have a MacBook Air 2018 intel. My question that hopefully y’all can help is what should I do? 1. Refurbished m2 pro 2.16gb 512gb m3

@samirawab98 8 ай бұрын

I actually have the same exact issue and asked my friend who’s a computer engineer. He’s said he’d go for the m2 pro mainly for the higher bandwidth and 10 core cpu. Hope this helps.

@Sitrilein 8 ай бұрын

I have a M1 Pro 16 Inch. No Update yet for me.

@m-ok-6379 8 ай бұрын

I got the original 2020 MBP 16 with M1 Max that I have no intention of upgrading for a minimum of 6 years because this thing can handle anything I can throw at it as a developer.

@joffrey6831 8 ай бұрын

100% agree on the notch that should either disappear or have Face ID, and I think Thunderbolt 5 could arrive on M4s, with cheaper storage up to 10 To

@hyposlasher 8 ай бұрын

Problem 11: They reached 4 GHz with M3. They have nearly reached the limits of performance improvement through increasing the chip frequency

@SuperVokan 8 ай бұрын

I think that it's a good thing that each new "M" release isn't greatly better than the previous. You can buy one now if you need it and don't have to worry that next fall your machine will be significantly underperforming.

@stonans 8 ай бұрын

That's an innovative eay of thinking. 😂 I for one love tech being pushed to the limits and getting performance gains year over year.

@SuperVokan 8 ай бұрын

@@stonans yeah I get it, but I just dropped $5300 on a new MAX and I wont want to do that for a couple years.

@c.patricksadowski9959 8 ай бұрын

Because they don’t have $3500.00…Because people are waiting longer to replace their MacBook Pro’s. I was swapping out my MBP, every 5 years. Now that I got the M3 Max, I will extend that cycle to 10 years. A person who buys a $300.00 chrome book, was never, really, a MacBook Pro client. Let’s be honest here. This is an elite product, always has been. If you have the Apple Card, you can space that purchase out over 12 months, which is a great deal, with zero financing charge. I paid the same for my M1 Max as I will for my M3 Max.

@jbinfa7k 8 ай бұрын

I don't understand why darkened color unless it is a good thing to see more oil and dust.

@keithwalls6316 8 ай бұрын

They’re not buying the iMac because it’s not available in 27” and higher end SoCs. I’m not buying because I don’t want or need a laptop. I do need an M3-based Mac Studio.

@user-gb8nx8qr2z 8 ай бұрын

I already have an M2-max MacBook Pro, works fine, my next purchase will be an M3-max Mac Studio

@vietnameseloempia 8 ай бұрын

Although i was very happy with the power efficiency of my M1 MacBook pro, I recently switched to a Lenovo i7 pro with Intel 13900 and NVIDIA RTX 4090 laptop. I bought that laptop so that I wouldn't have to have a separate laptop and desktop because I like to game, and although there are pros and cons to both MacOS and Windows, I still slightly prefer Windows overall. If Apple would do the following, I would change back to Mac: - Make it suitable to play games (they seem to go in this direction, they just need to make a deal with Steam and/or Epic and/or key game developing companies) -Make a chip that can compete with Nvidia on graphics (even if it's expensive, I would pay extra for having similar performance but much more efficiency and less heat and noise) Some nice to have extras: - Improve the keyboard (the Lenovo types much better) - Round off the edge of the palm rest (the sharp edge digs into your wrist) - Get rid of the notch (Lenovo has an outward notch that is much more practical as it also makes opening it easier) - implement Face ID (although the fingerprint scanner is already good) - Finally, finally offer window snapping and overall better window management without 3rd party apps. Apple is so far behind Microsoft on this it isn't even funny - Improve the Finder and make it more like Windows Explorer The biggest competitive edge Apple has in my view is the efficiency of its chipsets. The same performance on battery as plugged in with no noise and heat is just amazing. Combined with the good build quality and items like screen, speakers, microphone, webcam, it is an attractive product. If only you could use all that power to also play games, you wouldn't still also need a Windows machine.

@nkarfootTv 8 ай бұрын

...also I just had to downgraded from Sonoma because many of my 3rd party Audio plug-ins for music DAWs are glitching out and there is no sign from the developers of update fix. So if I brought a new M3 then any apps and plug-ins won't run properly for the forseable future.

@djphat1736 8 ай бұрын

Is that chart correct 4:48? Looks like Apples M3 IS faster in single core than the rest of the lineup AND M3 Max is the fastest multicore in the line up.

@colwild 8 ай бұрын

All ready great points. I think I might be ready to upgrade from the M1 MacBook air to the M3 MacBook Air for the newer design (even thought the M1 air is still soo good).

@weekendintokyo 8 ай бұрын

4:06 I think it's unfair to compare the binned base m3 pro vs the unbinned m2 pro. maybe try to compare binned vs binned, not binned vs unbinned.

@RichardStefanits 8 ай бұрын

When "optimization" means remove an usb-c and multi external display support, that is very apple.

@dawgcanjumphigh 8 ай бұрын

Just spent $2500 on a 14" M1 Pro last year. Why would I buy a new one thats even more expensive?

@TechKid14 8 ай бұрын

I upgraded to the 14in M3 Max (14 CPU, 30 GPU, 36GB RAM, 1TB SSD) from a base model 2018 Intel Macbook Pro Touch Bar. It got to the point where my fans were ramping up while just browsing the web and screen mirroring content. I am excited I did though. I always felt that macbook was holding me back performance wise. Video editing on it was slow and inefficient (crashed a lot or space issues). Its nice have a computer that doesn't cook your legs while performing basic or PRO tasks. I also used some discounts to lower the price while trading in my older macbook as well. Apple gave me $310 for the macbook, and my student discount brought the price down from $3199 to $2899. Out the door price was $2802.59

@iphoneographypdx2851 8 ай бұрын

I still use my intel based 2019 15 inch MacBook Pro and it still runs strong. I ended up getting the 15 inch MacBook Air, and it flies with the M2 chip! I use the MBA for college, and I did some video editing on the Air, and it was good. I still do video editing on my MBP. I don't think the new M3 MBP is worth the upgrade right now.

@artmaltman 8 ай бұрын

I am happy w my 13” M1. Love the form factor. Speed is fine for my purposes.

@user-ql8by9sz4t 8 ай бұрын

I. think you hit the nail on the head with all of these.

@StoriesOfSolitude 8 ай бұрын

I do more music production than anything video, so I put more money towards storage and RAM than the chip when I bought, but I got the M1 Pro and I still couldn't be happier lol.

@domantasbronusas 8 ай бұрын

What do you expect it was released after just more than half year. Its more like refresh version of m2. I was a bit like excuse me but i am just happy my m2 max does all i need. Also i use 14 inch version so more power doesnt mean better balance on that size

@MalcolmREBORN 8 ай бұрын

Vadim and I think alike. No upgrades until the display gets updated alongside new features such as Thunderbolt 5 and I’m curious to see how far can the Max chip go someday.

@dovmerrill804 8 ай бұрын

Side note: The memory bandwidth on the low-end M3 Max config is 300 MB/sec instead of 400 MB/sec, probably because Apple elected to cut cost (I.e. boost profits) by using 3-chip memory config instead of a 4-chip memory config like on the higher-end M3 Max models.

@saileshrachapudi8486 8 ай бұрын

It’s 300 GB/S and not even the most demanding pros can saturate the bandwidth, stop whinging

@pkennethv 8 ай бұрын

Snazzylabs talked about this in his video. It had something to do with the way the memory channels are (figuratively) wired to the CPU/GPU cores on the SOC. So the chips with cut down CPU/GPU cores physically cannot access some of the RAM channels even if a RAM chip were to be soldered into it, because certain RAM channels correlate with certain CPU/GPU cores.

@ahaimes6320 8 ай бұрын

There was technical reasons why the extra bandwidth was not needed. Apple is constantly varying the architecture as it discovers the limitations and workings. It has nothing to do with cost-savings; that is just flexing by the usual complainers.

@michaelkhalsa 8 ай бұрын

It has to do with supply chain and economics as larger capacity memory chips become available. And yes the 300 g-bits / sec can become saturated under certain conditions. The latency also plays a role in this. LDPPR5 Ram can use 400 g bits/ sec as is. Since , outside of the Ultra, the bus is only connecting the SOC and ram, i think it is engineered for that.

@suntzu94 8 ай бұрын

I have an M2 Macbook Air and love it, I'm glad I got this before the more expensive M3 MacBooks

@kennyangel 8 ай бұрын

For me it is the black colour that would tempt me, my very first Mac was black. Still the same, my M1 Max 16" MacBook Pro is so fast, that for performance there is no need to upgrade.