This is a good comment.

Is TT the only sport in IOC that only have 2?

@@user-ck2hr5vn8e Some events limited to 2 regardless of ranking, some are not.

Since China won the top three men's singles at the 2008 Olympic Games, the ITTF has limited each association to two players in order to reduce the threat of Chinese players. Otherwise, Malone should be able to play singles, but Malone can still play on the team. China has a lot of unique players, but there are not enough places in the Olympics

@@killing7549 absolutely. It's not anyone's fault. Not the Chinese selectors. They just have to choose the two who they think have the best chance of winning (which they probably have done). I think when the rule was created by ITTF/IOC, they didn't necessarily have this situation in mind.

NFL would have picked a faltering hero over a fledgling athlete. I think China's system is better and more fair.

then he should retire from China national team and join another country's or Hong Kong or Macao team who are happy to give him a slot😁

He is already selected for the Team. And they have a stronger mixed double With Wang/Sun

Olympics players selected for the overall performance of the 4 years. Fan Zhendong won 2 world championship titles, which are the most important single titles below Olympics. What’s more important, he saved CTTA’s life in 2024 world team finals. That’s why he must be one of the candidates. Don’t be radiculous

any countries want to offer him a slot?😁

​@@dongiovanni8899 he can play as a refugee if he and China don't mind lol

@@BugattianVeyronian Palestine Olympic Committee😁

Fan Zhendong's "inconsistency" only started this year in 2024. His form has definitely dropped a lot this year but last year he was still going all over the world claiming titles. Even WCQ cannot consistently beat him then. Yes he lost to Franziska but that's not an indication that he's unstable to foreigners. Before that lost he lead in terms of head to head against Franziska with is 7 wins 1 loss. He's not unstable against foreigners, he just has bad form recently.

@@pansarbobo7477 Actually, Fan Zhendong's inconsistency started in the second half of 2023. He lost to Lin Gaoyuan (WTT Zagreb), Alexis Lebrun (WTT Macao), Wang Chuqin (Asian Games), Ma Long (Asian Championship), Tomokazu Harimoto (ITTF mixed team World Cup) and Lee Sang Su (WTT Frankfurt) in that period. In the first half of 2024, he lost to Lin Shidong (twice), Wang Chuqin, Hugo Calderano, Lin Gaoyuan and Patrick Franzesca.

Ma definitely has a chance to win olympics, but it is already explained that player's consistency has been taken account for in the selection process. It is fair as it reflects the hardwork and results that Fan put in to get all these points, and not lose as many points. Ma is a fan favourite, but if he was selected based on the that alone, it would make all these competition pointless for other players as Ma is protected by plot armour.

@@Independent_Man3 I apologize for not getting the exact time period where Fan Zhendong started to drop. But still, I believe we can all agree that despite his drop, he is still more stable than Ma Long. At least Fan Zhendong won a lot of titles in 2023, including WTTC that made him nominated the best player of 2023 during the WTTTC earlier this year. Ma Long? He only won 1 title in 2023 which is the ATTC. Then another world cup this year. Other than that, he has nothing else to show.

​@@pansarbobo7477Actually Fan's ranking will drop to 4 this week while Ma Long's 2, which means Ma has more consistent than Fan recently. Fan made no effort to improve his out of date skills compared with Ma Long and Chen Meng, so that's why Ma and Chen still can win the gold medal in 2024. Since he failed to gain any score, sooner or later his ranking will be out of top 10.

Those who show results should be released. It should be a single rule

Ma Long is also beaten by Fransizka in March. What’s the difference?

Fang Jing dong should be out. He is going to lose anyway.

@@jimhuang9536true, he is just here for the silver medal in the Olympics he has no chance

Players must be selected according to their overall rating. This is an individual sport. And the problems of other countries that they do not have top players are their problems.

then he should retire from China national team and join another country's or Hong Kong or Macao team who are happy to give him a slot😁

Somebody did not watch the video before commenting. It's already explained very clearly that the selection criteria was set and Ma Long indeed didn't accumulate enough points to qualify. WCQ in first place with 22000+ points, FZD 17000+ points and Ma Long in third place with only 14,000+ points. Arguing on subjective matters like who is the more stable players is completely unnecessary as everything is decided by the accumulated points. I can too argue that Ma Long is not stable either as he also lost to foreigners (e.g. Lee Sangsu, Lin Yunju, Patrick, Jang Woojin). FZD lost to Patrick yes but he has a 7 wins 2 losses dominant head to head record against him and Ma Long is 2 wins 2 losses against Patrick. What made is worst that the 2 losses he made against Patrick was recent times and it was twice in a row. I don't see the adaptability that Ma Long has brought to the game like many other's said. But again, at the end of the day, everything is according to the rankings. Ma Long failed to earn the slot and thus he shouldn't go. Even if FZD lost in the Olympics it cannot be helped as he earned the slot fair and square with more points.

Chinese Women has not been officially announced yet but it's very likely going to be Sun Yingsha and Chen Meng. First of all, Chen Meng was already ranked 2nd before the Saudi Smash and I believe the Saudi Smash will determined who selects the 2nd women's slot. Chen Meng became the champion of Saudi Smash and Wang Manyu lost early. What made it worst is she lost to a foreigner resulting in a 3000 points deduction. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Chen Meng got the slot instead of Wang Manyu.

Thank you.

From your comment I reckon you are not a table tennis fan so let me walk you through the reason. China has been the most dominant nation in the sport of table tennis for nearly three decades. They have not lost the men's singles olympic gold since 2004, hasn't lost the World Championship title since 2003 and hasn't lost in the World Team Table Tennis Championships for 3 decades. Basically any foreigners faces a chinese, he is very likely to lose badly. Maybe that's why China has their ego to not want to lose to foreigners? This is an exclusive Chinese table tennis condition not a general sport thing so yeah. The system created by the Chinese team to select player included your big wins and losses to foreigners. You would gain massive point boost if you win titles and an even bigger boost if you win major events. If you lose to a foreigner your points get deducted. I believe this is fair. The two selected won a lot of grand tournaments and lost to relatively fewer foreigners. While on the other hand, Ma Long who is heavily loved by the entire table tennis community failed to win as many titles and lost to quite a lot of foreigners so I think that's reason for him to not get selected. I get what you mean about some players although performing bad on small events, can be incredibly good in major events, but if we were to base the selection on that, then it's a very subjective pick with no objective way of measuring who is truly the best player at the moment. It also makes it extremely unfair for others who didn't get selected just because they don't have big titles. Not to mention the Chinese announced this selection criteria one year prior to the olympics and told the players how they can be selected so the player fought accordingly. If China were to change their own system last minute to suit their benefit then it would created a massive internal protest.

Yes, I'm not. Thanks for typing out such a helpful comment. Yes, I think both of us would agree that the system is faulty. Like you rightly put it, it's all about ego.

@@BugattianVeyronian For me, the faulty part of the system is that they introduced the points reduction very late. It was only announced few months back not when this system was first announced a year ago. They added this new criteria in seeing how some of their women players start losing a lot to foreigners. And this rule is exclusive for only the women's team not the men's opening up the debate of inequality of both sides. Being a table tennis fan that supports the Chinese team, I totally understand how losing to foreigners is unacceptable for them and I wouldn't blame them for introducing such rule into the system but I certainly found it a bit unfair that you implemented it only when you found something to be not right and then again, not implemented for both male and female team.

They didn’t want a medal sweep in 2008 with Ma Lin, Wang Hao, and Wang Liqin.

u r lving in the past

Well the players were given an exactly 1 year period to collect points. Fan Zhendong did very well in the first half of the period but it's unfortunate that's he suddenly fell into a rut in the second half. Nothing can be done right now apart from helping Fan Zhendong get out of his current state so he doesn't screw it up for China in Paris.

I think this opinion of yours is a little bit biased towards Ma Long. Firstly, it's terribly inaccurate to say Ma Long is still winning against non-Chinese and chinese players. Yes he still win those matches but not as much as before since he has lost a lot in recent times. He lost to a total of 5 foreigners (Patrick twice, Lee Sangsu, Lin Yunju, Jang Woojin) during this olympic cycle & three of them were this year alone. He also started losing to Liang Jingkun and Lin Gaoyuan in 2024 when he was initially never lost to them on the international stage. Yes Fan Zhendong himself is pretty bad against foreigners recently but that is due to declined form not age related. Ma Long's decline is definitely age related and it's inevitable. And you cannot say Fan Zhendong or Wang Chuqin is horrible against German players because Fan Zhendong has beaten Patrick 7 time out of 9 encounters and those wins were usually very dominant like 3-0 or 4-1. Yes he lost this time but it's due to his decline form recently not because he doesn't know how to play Patrick. Plus, this lost is Fan Zhendong's first lost to Patrick ever since Australia Open 2019. He lost to Ovtcharov a few times but he hasn't lost to Timo at all. And if you agree that Patrick Franziska is in his best form of all time which made him reach the final of a Smash tournament, I am not sure it's entirely accurate for you to say Wang Chuqin is bad against Patrick just because he lost two games against him. If you actually go and watch the match, Wang was pretty dominant against Patrick in the first three games. The fourth game was also leading 7-5 but maybe it's due to an emotional switch (e.g. don't want to lose on his birthday, eagerly wants to claim the triple crown champion etc), he dropped 2 in a row. Oh and by the way, it's Saudi Smash not Singapore Smash and Wang Chuqin won both. It's completely unnecessary to compare 24 year old Wang Chuqin with 24 year old Ma Long because it would not be the 24 year old version of Ma Long playing in the olympics, it would be a 35 year old one. I would argue his chances of losing is equally as high if not more to Patrick if they were to meet compared to Wang or Fan. But again, all these are subjective matters because Ma Long lost fair and square in selections. He didn't get as many points as Wang Chuqin and Fan Zhendong. He is only ranked third on the race and he can blame no one but himself.

Why should he get a free slot??? Other people fought hard too. If ML really want to defend his title he should've fought for his right to do so not beg from CTTA to give it to him. He is still competitive but he is not the top two most competitive. Don't talk about other countries implementing the points deduction because losing to foreigners is a Chinese thing not applicable to other countries. Besides, other countries are not dominant enough to have such tradition.

@@jacksonlok9675 maybe but he s still way more reliable than zendhong in m mind but its settled, just a waste for him

then he should retire from China national team and join another country's or Hong Kong or Macao team who are happy to give him a slot😁

As you type this, just came out a news today that Line Kjærsfeldt, badminton female player of Denmark will not be selected even though she is the highest ranked female danish player on the olympic ranks but another danish player lower ranked than her will go instead. It's nothing to do with the sport itself but the association of the respective country. Table tennis had their own rankings where Ma Long and is ranked 2nd and Fan Zhendong is ranked 4th. If you follow that ranking Ma Long should go but China wants to follow their own rankings which had Wang Chuqin in first place, second is Fan and only then Ma Long in third. So it's not just a table tennis problem other sport have too.

He should earn it, not have China give him a free slot just because he's the defending champion. Everyone fight hard for the slot what makes you think ML should get the slot when he doesn't have enough points? The badminton example shows you how age can destroy an athlete. It certainly does not mean ML would not win just because someone in badminton did not but at the same time ML is not guaranteed to win too.

then he should retire from China national team and join another country's team who are happy to give him a slot😁

Всего лишь выйграл кубок мира

А другого выбора нет. Кого из них не ставь это будет не очень по отношению к третьему и еще тому парню в разного цвета кросовках, который всегда рубится до последнего. )) Просто в Китае больше топовых игроков чем 2 ))))) По хорошему на личные соревнования надо брать топ 30 с рейтинга и не выдумывать. Если там будет 5 Китайцев - это проблема других стран. А то какой нибудь Ваня Пупкин поедет понимаешь, а Малонг, или тот же Линь нет))) Ну херня же

@@somaticHuman верно

He may be a shell, but he's still very hard to crack. Hopefully he at least participates in the Teams event because he makes an excellent pair with WCQ

he lost more to Wang Hao

@@dongiovanni8899 Wang Hao shouldn’t have been there, I mean in London singles. He has lost 2 Olympic final (R.S. Min and Ma Lin)

Franziska is too inconsistent as he lost to wide range of players many times especially left-handers

@@dongiovanni8899 I hear that but most recently he's beaten 3 of the four top Chinese. Fan twice.. I think he's also beaten Xu Xin (a pen holder yes, but a leftie too). Nothing against Timo or Dima but with Dan's current form and Patrick's Germany has a realistic shot

@@125ZJK Patrick has beaten FZD only once after Tokyo Olympics against FZD's 3 wins. Xu Xin was retiring soon when Patrick beat him. Patrick still can't handle Asian prodigy boys like Harimoto and lefties like Lin Yun-ju.

@@dongiovanni8899 The Chinese for both Men and Women have an internal tournament called The Marvellous 12 . It's an honest method of deciding who will play. Rankings are irrelevant. You win ,you represent. I think Germany should have emulated this process.

@@125ZJK The chinese internal tournament decider is only used if the candidates ranking points are very close to each other.

any countries are interested to offer him a slot?

At the time Ma Long already knew he hadn’t been selected for the Olympics singles and wanted to focus on doubles instead to be eligible for the team. Why would he bother in singles then? He clearly needed more rest and wanted to save his energy for doubles. He beat JWJ consistently before. If he cared, even if he had lost wouldn’t have gone down with 3-0. Obviously China wouldn’t want somebody like that, but at that point that didn’t matter and already was over.

​@@robin0910if he knew beforehand then just withdraw from the damn tournament, why troll the match? Ma long is the most senior player as he has been in CNT for 2 decades. He should have known better about the Chinese tradition. Absolutely surprised how fanboy /fan girls can come up with the most bizzare reasons to defend ML.

@@jacksonlok9675 I just wrote it above, he wanted to focus solely on doubles, losing 3-0 or 3-2 didn’t matter at that point.

Also, he already knew that even if he had won the competition he wouldn’t have overcame Fan so he gave up on singles, focusing more on doubles to be selected for then team.

@@robin0910 sounds plausible

Can your country offer him a slot?

I can't decide if you're ignorant or just a troll, so I'll go with "both".

he is projecting his own ignorance 🤷‍♂️

It’s funny that you’re commenting on ML’s underperforming performance as if it’s not true for Fan who’s been performing even worse against foreigners from 2023-2024, lost to foreigners more times which it facts and both him and Ma participated in the same tournaments. He came in second rightfully but you can’t diss sb’s performance when the selected one’s even worse against foreigners which realistically counts more than anything at the Olympics.

@@robin0910 I never deny FZD's underperformance. I've openly admitted many many times that his form is on the decline but he still rightfully deserves to go because he has simply more points than ML, points earned by playing good within the allowed period. It's a black and white written fact. How difficult is it for you to understand? On the other hand its you who refused to accept ML's underperformance and kept insisting that ML is better than FZD against foreigners when he lost to just as many foreigners himself. If he has lost to 4-5 foreigners himself there's no possible way for you to still defend him because it's a fact he's also not stable . I could also argue that ML lost to LYJ in the final of Frankfurt when FZD hasn't lost to him ever since 2019. You wanna argue that FZD lost to Patrick well new flash! So did ML!! And he did it twice in a row wow! You're the funny one because when ML lost to foreigner he did it on purpose but when FZD lost to foreigners he's bad. The double standard delusions you go through just to defend your favourite player amazes me. And btw please stop liking your own comments.

@@jacksonlok9675 I never said Fan didn’t deserve the spot, now you’re making shit up. I never said Ma Long lost to foreigners on purpose except against JWJ where it clearly didn’t matter so he did so. Yes, it’s an unarguable fact that Fan has lost to more foreigners in the last 2 years. Ma Long did lose to Lin in Frankfurt (which could have gone either way), but do you know who lost to him as well with a way worse performance? Wang Chuqin, but guess what, he’s still the most consistent. And who did Fan lose to at that tournament? R16 Lee Sangsu… I never said Ma Long is 100% stable against foreigners but being the second most stable in the CNT is not bad at all. It’s you who has some sort of problem understanding that Ma Long’s performance has been better against foreigners in the last 2 years or the entire Paris Olympic period than Fan’s. Again, I’m saying as before, I don’t think it was unrighteous to elect Fan but you can’t support with the argument that Fan’s performance against foreigners is better cause it’s in fact not. Why do you think it’s Ma and not Fan who won the World Cup?

@@jacksonlok9675 btw, it’s clearly you who’s liking their own comment

@@robin0910 Oh wow suddenly you have amnesia now and do not want to acknowledge everything you said? You said you never said FZD didn't deserve the slot? Every comment of yours is dissing on FZD on why he shouldn't go to the Olympics and why Ma Long should go instead, using losing to foreigners as your justification to that. But in actual fact ML himself is not stable either. You kept justifying why ML's lost to a foreigner is OK but when other people lost, it's suddenly a sin. And why you need to bring in other player's like WCQ to the topic when now it's clearly about FZD or ML? It's an undisputable fact that FZD is very stable against LYJ than ML even if WCQ lost. And going back to WCQ against LYJ, even he is more stable against LYJ than ML is as before that lost to him in Frankfurt, he has never lost to LYJ since 2019. Oh and BTW, the match couldn't possibly go either way cuz ML lost 1-4 not 3-4. ML is definitely not the 2nd most stable against foreigners in the team. I am not saying FZD is more stable than ML in recent times seeing how FZD has lost to a lot too. In fact, from the very start my stance has remained the same that FZD is not stable against foreigners but he still gets to go due to the fact that he has more points. It is definitely not an unarguable fact that ML is more stable against foreigners. ML has loss to many foreigners in the past 2 years as well, not 1 or 2 but 4 to 5 foreigners! He is not any much stable himself if he has his own share of losses to foreigners. You cannot deny this fact so you proceeded to find excuses to justify why ML lost is fine but then when FZD lost, it's is automatically a sign of instability. You can at most say they are equally as bad and the odds of losing in Paris to foreigners is equally as high and sending ML over FZD will not make a big difference than the other way round. But FZD should deservingly go because of more points than ML and I can stress enough how many times I've mentioned this already. This is the true indisputable fact as it is written black and white on the Chinese team. ML's performance is not impressive enough to have the coaches ignore the rankings completely and give ML the slot. ML lost to 5 foreigners in 2 years so did FZD. They are practically tied and even if you do not want to acknowledge the JWJ lost it is still 4 vs 5 which is not numerically more impressive than FZD's to even make CTTA consider overlooking the rankings. I would argue that the rankings can be overlooked if ML lost to only 1 foreigner cuz that could be due to various reasons (e.g. injuries, exhaustion etc.) But is that the case now? No! It's fact that both of them are somewhat equally unstable against foreigners and this doesn't give CTTA any justifiable reason to overlook the rankings and say Ma Long is more deserving than FZD. Also you said you never said ML never lose on purpose "EXCEPT" JWJ? Do you know the meaning of the word "except'???? It means he DID IN FACT lose ON PURPOSE at least once means he did do it on purpose lmao. You brought this up yourself when nobody did. Everyone just concluded that ML was tired after world cup and JWJ was on fire that day but it's you who didn't want to acknowledge ML's lost and didn't want to praise other people's efforts so you came up with the lamest conspiracy theory that ML himself never admitted, making him look bad. And please lol, don't say I am liking my own comment when I don't have a single like in any of my comments whereas your comment that doesn't actually makes sense can magically get 3-4 likes overnight when this comment is not even close to being a top comment to have so many people noticing it. That's not how KZfaq works my boy. Stop exposing yourself with more lies.