Yes, they're STILL using the same old lame CHEAP potentiometers
@cameronabshire11953 жыл бұрын
@@lancelnce Does anyone make high-quality potentiometers that can be used in controllers?
@pawes74183 жыл бұрын
@@cameronabshire1195 Why potentiometers? Hall effect sticks is the future in pair with gyro aiming
@cameronabshire11953 жыл бұрын
@@pawes7418 I have no idea what Hall Effect sensors would be like in analog sticks. But they would be more expensive to produce, so it would probably only ever be done as a homebrew solution, if that's even possible.
@pawes74183 жыл бұрын
@@cameronabshire1195 Check sega dreamcast controller. There is 4 magnets under analog stick. Even xbox one+ and steam controller have hall effect triggers. Also first ps3's sixaxis controller have hall effect analog sticks.
@NotSoCheezyYT3 жыл бұрын
Stable drift like this should be fixable in software. Even the Gamecube did it - sticks are calibrated to zero on boot. Certainly seems like planned obsolescence to me.
@Razgar_Voxel3 жыл бұрын
they could not sell us more controllers that way.
@KillahMate3 жыл бұрын
That's not a real fix - the input voltage is altered by the potentiometer wear, so calibrating with the new voltage as center just stops involuntary movement but the loss of precision is still there. This kit is correcting the input voltage, so there should be minimal loss of precision. Autocalibration would be great as a cheap band-aid though.
@NotSoCheezyYT3 жыл бұрын
@@KillahMate Are there not potentiometers that can be adjusted by input voltage or something? It could at least be done automatically in the controller itself.
@KillahMate3 жыл бұрын
@@NotSoCheezyYT That might be a solution, but I'm not an expert and I can't say if implementing something like that is viable on a large commercial scale.
@alfiegordon90133 жыл бұрын
Even the Wii U does that, it’s such bs that it’s started to happen now
@NoExplosionsMcgee3 жыл бұрын
This is super awesome but people really shouldn't have to resort to doing this all because companies like Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft couldn't be bothered to take the issue of stick drifting seriously themselves. Again, this is super awesome and I'll definitely look into getting these myself. I just think that more pressure should be placed on to these companies to actually fix their faulty products. The gaming community shouldn't be doing all the heavy lifting in regards to these issues imo.
@danieljimenez19892 жыл бұрын
I agree, the saddest part is that this can be easily fixed in software...
@Avarice012 жыл бұрын
It is that way by design. companies have gone from building a name through quality to relying more on planned obselence. As long as customers want to play their game, there will be money to burn on replacement controllers. It is also a double edged sword for the companies though. In the last 5 years or so, thanks to my Guilty Gear enthusiasm, I have gone through 7 or more controllers that had to be warranty swapped because of the shit conductive rubbers in the Dpad. I haven't had to spend a dime but it is annoying having to break in and get to know a new dpad every 6 or so months. I also hate the stick drift when it happens too. Thanks to supply chain issues and Sony being Sony it is harder to get my warranty swaps these days.
@onee15942 жыл бұрын
@@danieljimenez1989 it can be "kinda" fixed in software. Sometimes resistors dont have same response as they should. They can use lasers like ones in a pc mouse thou
@cuiff622 жыл бұрын
the exact same method shown here could be used by sony and microsoft as the potentiometers are on the back of the controllers, they could add holes so you could recalibrate without opening them.
@onee15942 жыл бұрын
@@cuiff62 Agree. Many things can be done. Unfortunately sometimes there are non-engineering challenges like strict request from people up top
@retrogearcustoms3 жыл бұрын
What a great mod, is nice to see mods that fix real life issues that cost consumers money. Having a few of these in the toolbox couldn't hurt as a back up. The fact that this is happening in most modern controllers, maybe manufacturers should look at including this in their controllers from day 1?
@117dude2 жыл бұрын
They could put a dial on the back that allows you to calibrate with out taking the controller apart. That would be nice
@flymanous2 жыл бұрын
Manufacturers don't even want you anywhere near their PCBs or tearing down their stuff.. don't expect them to make it easier for consumers to fix their own stuff.
@SiegeX12 жыл бұрын
@@flymanous They could/should redesign the backshell to have a port that allows you to get a small screw driver down to each of the calibration pots.
@ezahs76282 жыл бұрын
100% agree. I personally use a razer controller that costs $200… I’m a heavy gamer so my controller tends to break faster. The average lifespan of a controller is 6 months, mines roughly 1 month until I start getting drift as well as RB problems. That being said I’ve been gaming for about 12 years and I’m 21 years old now. I’ve bought probably 10 of these controllers. Costing me $2000 for just these controllers ALONE. Not to mention all the other controllers I had before this at $60 a pop. All because of the same fucking issue.
@onedeadsaint3 жыл бұрын
just wanna make sure that everyone doing this for the first time, _be careful_ with the triggers and bumpers because they come off easily and will send those tiny little springs flying!
@brendanmueller493 жыл бұрын
This would not be bad as a pinned comment.
@ms.bunniesarecute22873 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@jmtrad19063 жыл бұрын
If is your first time opening a controller you should pay attention and go slow to not have headache
@BRlGADE_KINGPIN3 жыл бұрын
Thanks dad
@onedeadsaint3 жыл бұрын
@@BRlGADE_KINGPIN you're welcome, son!
@matthewjbellamy12 жыл бұрын
Considering the lawsuits I'm surprised that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo haven't dropped Alps and actually find a company that makes decent analog modules. We should be entitled to a free replacement as this is an ongoing issue. I like the idea of this PCB but tbh I feel we really shouldn't have to install parts just to allow the controllers to still work as intended. I mean $200 for a elite controller with the same crappy modules....its not good enough
@JAS0N_M00RE2 жыл бұрын
I would like to see them make hotswap sticks without the need to solder like how some keyboards have Hotswap switches or maybe something like gulikit kingkong pro 2 has with electromagnetic Sticks that's aren't never supposed to get stick drift
@cridus_ Жыл бұрын
Sony has clearly shown to be purposedly exploiting the shitty analogs to gain more money. their pro controller has the same identical analog parts. they're modular, but do you know how much one costs? 20$. when all you'd need to replace is one potentiometer, that you can find for a few cents online. I bought 10 for less than 5€ (including shipping costs). there's full of idiots with money to waste that just keep buying new controllers when the current ones start drifting. because yay for consumerism, right? I'm never gonna buy another one of their controllers, and maybe of their products at all again (I don't have the ps5, I bought the controller to play on PC).
@FrozenHaxor Жыл бұрын
@@JAS0N_M00RE They do. Look up DualSense Edge.
@MGrey-qb5xz Жыл бұрын
@@JAS0N_M00RE gulikit really has quality issues with it's controllers though
@ellaquin3 жыл бұрын
Now we just need one of these for a JoyCon
@currytigre3 жыл бұрын
The joystick in a joycon is all one piece connect by a ribbon cable to the PCB. If you can take a part a joycon it's an easy replacement. No soldering involved.
@pastiesandagstring3 жыл бұрын
J P it’s they’re easy enough to replace with the right tools but it’s not a reliable fix. The new sticks will do the same. Just a matter of time.
@Gaiaran3 жыл бұрын
Nintendo repaired mine for free. Didnt had any waranty or recipe. They dont advertise it. Germany.
@vektor_z72083 жыл бұрын
Joycon are easy to fix, I disassembled one and is only clean it with alcohol and bye bye drift.
@ivankovalov3 жыл бұрын
Just buy replacement kit from iFixit or other supplier and instal new stick to your joy-con. I bought my for only 5$ and it works perfect!)
@mcrecordings3 жыл бұрын
Apparently the issue is that Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo all use the same cheap analog sticks.
@MultiCorto3 жыл бұрын
Tienes razón aunque en menor medida Microsoft, los controles son mucho mejor en ese sentido
@Leclaron3 жыл бұрын
To be fair any joystick potentiometer will eventually wear out. The only real solution is to move joystick tech over to Hall effect sensors. That will make the joysticks last for decades or longer.
@nerdstrangler48043 жыл бұрын
@@Leclaron Hall effect sensors still develop drift due to changes over time in their magnetic field. And the only hall effect thumbsticks I know of cost $100 each, are big, ugly and only rated for half as many cycles (and are also probably horribly imprecise, but I am not willing to drop 100 bones to find out). Hall sensors are not a real solution. There is no real solution. Thats why everyone uses the same thumbstick, because it is currently the best solution electrical engineers have been able to come up with. Do you really think electrical engineers are just so dumb they never thought to use hall effect sensors in a thumbstick?
@nerdstrangler48043 жыл бұрын
@YoRHa UNIT A2 Whats the part number of the better potentiometers you have found? Anytime I have tried using different potentiometers they have wound up being much worse than the originals.
@Kuraio3 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't they give us an option to manually calibrate the joysticks like Nintendo did with their 3DS circle pad? I mean, how hard would it be?
@liamjones21313 жыл бұрын
How did I not think of slapping 2 variable resistors on a flexi-PCB? This fix is actually really simple, and effective.
@exisfohdr39042 жыл бұрын
So, by soldering in a board, you are only able to put on board resistors in parallel to the resistance of the original potentiometers(variable resistors). When resistors are placed in parallel, the total resistance is ALWAYS less than the least resistive resistor. Your explaination was that the potentiometers lose their resistance over time. The only way to add back missing resistance would be to solder new resistors in SERIES with the potentiometers. If you are going to solder, you might as well just replace the potentiometers; which are really low cost(cheaper than this mod).
@Rem_NL2 жыл бұрын
they sell both on their website, but for unexperienced modders like me, this seems a lot less daunting
@No-oy7we Жыл бұрын
So how do you go about the variance in resistance in the replacement pots? As far as I know there aren’t any software to calibrate new pots
@exisfohdr3904 Жыл бұрын
@@No-oy7we the circuit is not concerned with the amount of resistance directly, it is observing the amount of current flow. The original circuits would had to have been designed to tolerate slight variances in resistance by looking for a current value between two predetermined values that fall within the expected operation of the selected potentiometers(even with variances). Lets pick two range values to demonstrate: 4mA to 20mA. Assume the voltage applied is 5VDC. To achieve a current flow of 4mA the potentiometer needs to increase it's resistance to 1,250 ohms (4ma=5vdc/1,250 ohms). At 20mA it needs to decrease it's resistance to 250 ohms (20ma=5vdc/250 ohms). If a potentiometer selected can vary from 0 ohms to 1,500 ohms, that leaves 250 ohms of room for deviation. Most potentiometers will give 0 ohms regaurdless(as long as it isn't completely open or broken). The variance would be in it's maximum resistance; so instead of being exactly 1,500 ohms at high end, it may be 1,550 ohms or 1,400 ohms and it would still function to vary the current in the circuit between 4mA and 20mA. The potentiometers could actually lower the current below 4mA and above 20mA, but as long as they can achieve those two thresholds, the circuit could be designed to acknowledge anything above 20mA as the same as 20mA(high saturation) and anything below 4mA as the same as 4mA(or low saturation). The problem with potentiometers(or variable resistors) is that they are mechanical devices that wear and or break. The most typical way they degrade over time is the wiper inside rubs down the resistive conductors which creates conductive metal dust shorting internal parts(decreasing resistance) or the wiper wears through the resistive conductor all together resulting in an open(seen as infinite resistance). If the potentiometer shorts in a section, it creates a range of motion that will not vary the resistance(resulting in a deadzone in responsiveness). Soldering in another resistive load in parallel will merely lower total resistance and during said deadzone, the resistance will still not vary. If the potentiometer opens in a section, soldering in another resistive load in parallel would create a situation where total resistance will be lower than usual while the wiper is in contact with the portion of resistive conductor that still functions, but the total resistance would just instantly jump up to the value of the parallel resistor the moment the pot wiper was no longer making contact with it's resistive conductor. Neither situation is suitable as a repair. Just desolder the original pot and solder in a suitable replacement. If the original potentiometers were 0-1,500 ohms, then seek out a 0-1,500 ohm replacement pot. Potentiometers come in all different shapes, sizes, and values. I assure you, one can be found to replace the original pot almost perfectly.
@No-oy7we Жыл бұрын
@@exisfohdr3904 Im sure i could find a perfect replacement, just sucks that I’d have to buy 50 of them to find the closest one. I hope someone one day will be able to create a way to adjust the values stored on the controller so we can calibrate it that way because the amount of e-waste caused by this is just unnecessary
@exisfohdr3904 Жыл бұрын
@@No-oy7we you would not need to buy 50 of them. The pot in a controller is a very specific one, with a part number and everything.
@RonkeyRong3 жыл бұрын
Time to buy this for all my controllers. Watch it sell out and prove how many people have issues with their controllers
@MachoNachoProductions3 жыл бұрын
Gotta get one quick! I’m sure he’ll be making plenty more
@cleftboywonder3 жыл бұрын
Anyone offer a service for soddering? I don't have a kit just laying around
@polarBEARcats3 жыл бұрын
@@cleftboywonder I can do it if you have the pcbs already on hand. I also clean the controller and replace the thumbsticks (only xbox for now) free.
@LordMaliscence2 жыл бұрын
@@MachoNachoProductions do they work with the elite V2?
@Dr.UldenWascht3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the fantastic, clear and high quality instructions, my man. It's comforting to know that there is finally a permanent solution to the age-old drifting problem. That said, (and I might sound like a cheapskate for saying this but) I did expect the mod to be a little bit cheaper. But to be fair, I really don't know how much building one costs. I'm only saying that since two entirely new analogue stick modules cost 5.5$. Hopefully it will become cheaper with mass production as more people purchase them.
@MachoNachoProductions3 жыл бұрын
You’re most welcome dude! Glad you enjoyed the video! Cheers!
@noIies2 жыл бұрын
true but the cost for one of these is going to be less than buying a new stick module every couple of months
@meatsafemurderer77432 жыл бұрын
@@noIies If you're getting stick drift every couple of months you're doing something wrong. I've experienced stick drift, but typically only years down the line.
@KingPinTheBowler2 жыл бұрын
There is one type of stick drift that it can’t fix and that is when the spring wears out and does not properly recenter the stick.
@AlexusMaximusDE2 жыл бұрын
@@meatsafemurderer7743 And how do you suppose one would do something wrong when using a controller? Obviously if you play Anno for an hour a day on your controller, it will get a lot less wear and as such take longer to develop stick drift than the sticks of someone playing CoD for 4 hours a day.
@KevoF063 жыл бұрын
It worked, I fixed my controller!!!
@AaronGoSoFast2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update.
@kirbyofthestars22693 жыл бұрын
"Now draw her fixing a joycon's drift." -- the Internet, soon
@mrfawkes91108 ай бұрын
A band-aid with Neosporin is still a band-aid, the only permanent fix is a hall effect swap and those are hard to come by. It's still cool though.
@levigoldson42422 жыл бұрын
I bought a set of these and applied it to my fault xbox elite series 1 controller. Worked like a charm. The hardest part was actually reassembling the controller for me. Although this was my first soldering job, it was pretty straight forward after watching a few videos on soldering.
@danielm41364 ай бұрын
Hey weird question, I haven’t soldered before. Is 30 watts okay for this job?
@themadatheist19763 жыл бұрын
Also if you don't have a security torx bit, the pins are easy to break off.
@racer42003 жыл бұрын
I've had 2 brand new PS4 controllers with that problem right out of the box. Thanks for the vid.
@MachoNachoProductions3 жыл бұрын
You’re most welcome! Man that stinks, this mod will definitely help though. It’s strange that drift is such a big issue nowadays. Should be a problem for new controllers. Cheers!
@Solder_king3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for giving me a shout out! I'm super glad to see this idea take off! :)
@Helvetica_Scenario3 жыл бұрын
Adding a feature on a system OS level that allows you to adjust a stick's deadzone would go a long way towards alleviating this, as well. There are analog sticks I could still be using if I could just move the center deadzone in an OS menu by a few points. I know this is a fix, because it works in some games that give you the option to adjust the deadzone. By allowing it to be adjusted in a system's options, it would apply it to all games.
@_mylastname2 жыл бұрын
You should develop this with some partners. You'd make a killing.. Cuz this mod, no doubt, is going to make the creators very wealthy, I think
@andreandre3533 Жыл бұрын
just use ds4windows. u can adjust easly the deadzone
@cmdrfunk Жыл бұрын
DS4Windows allows you to apply deadzones to all games
@esgrove Жыл бұрын
If only the people who made the most popular OS in the word also made the most popular controller in the world. Oh wait, they do. Microsoft clearly wants us to have stick drift since they could solve it in one day if they wanted.
@arnoolve3 жыл бұрын
Will need some of these on standby.
@sgtsaughter3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. Nice that you're changing it up and doing a repair video, even though I love all your mod videos. Awesome solution for an annoyingly common problem.
@MachoNachoProductions3 жыл бұрын
Thank you dude!
@RobbWes3 жыл бұрын
Both a repair and a mod
@alfredo7615 Жыл бұрын
I would try and clean out the potentiometers first before doing this. So far I was able to fix 6 out of 7 controllers by just cleaning the contacts. To remove them Use plenty of flux. A simple solder sucker followed by flux and a good wick. Comes out clean. Don’t remove the whole switch but just the potentiometers which has 3 solder points. Do this first before you add the circuit because your adding a circuit to a already dirty/damaged potentiometer. If it still drifts then at least you have clean potentiometers.
@BentlysBudgetBuilds8 ай бұрын
Hey! As someone who repairs electronics for a living, I received an inbox via Facebook from someone giving a website that sells parts. They listed YOU as a customer and linked this video. It doesn't seem you are, so I wanted to bring your attention to this. Top tier video btw. +1 sub!
@BentlysBudgetBuilds8 ай бұрын
If you want pics of evidence feel free to reach out and I can supply them , idk the best way to show them here tbh 😅😅
@iCach03 жыл бұрын
This sounds like a real winner, especially for DIYers. If you're a modder/tech and have to repair lots of these often then maybe just swapping out the potentiometers might be a cost-saving alternative. However, these are a lot easier to install and not THAT much more expensive, so I expect them to do pretty well in general. Amazing how much good stuff Helder has been putting out lately. Loved the video too! Very handy having all the info in one place.
@vgamedude122 жыл бұрын
Absolutely disgusting that these large manufacturers couldnt implement something like this and instead waste all these controllers.
@jaimito.__38772 жыл бұрын
It’s their way to make easy money
@vgamedude122 жыл бұрын
@@jaimito.__3877 it should be criminal. So much e waste from busted controllers
@jaimito.__38772 жыл бұрын
@@vgamedude12 I agree but what else can you do 🤷♂️
@LeftistTechSupport3 жыл бұрын
This channel got me into modding and learning to solder
@DisguisedPigeonLOL3 жыл бұрын
Holy cow, that's an amazing fix. And props to you for getting this opportunity to work with Helder! I bet this is just thing thing to help you channel snag more subs.
@SCorpG223 жыл бұрын
I think that these are a great idea, although somewhat overpriced for what they are. A point to mention though... given that dualshocks use lead-free solder which is eutectic, the majority of people will have 60/40 leaded solder which isn't eutectic and it's not advisable to mix these two (it can cause imbalances/cracking over time). This means that it may need an additional purchase if you have no leadfree lying around.
@levigoldson42422 жыл бұрын
How is it overpriced? He isn't going to sell millions of these. The right price is "the minimum price to convince an entrepreneur to bring the product to market". Nobody is going to sell something at material cost to make a hundred bucks by shipping thousands of them. I view the price of $15 as a steal to repair my elite series controller. Which every shop I went to quoted $120-150.
@GenesHand2 жыл бұрын
@@levigoldson4242 I mean you could get like 5 pairs of original alps sticks for that same price. If you see it that way, they are kinda expensive. Hopefully in the future with enough sales and production they will become cheaper. I have bought used controllers for the price of this kit lol, if you want to fix a couple of them it will add up.
@GenesHand2 жыл бұрын
In my experience soldering with lead free solder is kind of a pain, if i remove the old solder with a solder wick or de-soldering pump and just then apply leaded solder after removing it. would that be enough?
@SCorpG222 жыл бұрын
@@GenesHand You would need to use lots of flux and clean the pads well with wick to remove any trace of the lead free solder. Then yes, the leaded solder would be fine.
@calvin6592 жыл бұрын
@@GenesHand The cost of replacement pots isn’t the issue; the issue is calibration. In order to calibrate pot replacements properly, you would need to painstakingly bend each of the three pins a few millimeters at a time, a few dozen times, before soldering them in place.
@Ir1shM3talhead3 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I need to bring one of my Xbox controllers back to life, it's a shame Helder Game Teh charges way too much for international shipping, which would actually make it cheaper to just buy a new controller. Does anyone know of any EU based stores that do something similar to these?
@luisk11modshop2 жыл бұрын
I have the same problem man
@SwoonDawg2 жыл бұрын
I just finished installation on my Scuf Prestige. I am amazed. I had to fix the solder a few times. So be careful. But after finishing, I am very pleased. Thank you for the video.
@jamss6362 Жыл бұрын
How were you able to access the board? On my Prestige the wires and conductive tape from the paddles were blocking the spots for the stick drift fix? Would appreciate any help.
@arcanjopixel2 жыл бұрын
incredible. a seller is showing me this right now and i will buy and install it myself. my God I love to play with controllers, I even have the device to play with keyboard and mouse on consoles but I don't change controllers for anything and I'm good at them better than many with mice. thank you so much for showing this to everyone
@themadatheist19763 жыл бұрын
Nice, have a XBone controller and replaced one of the bumper buttons, haven't noticed any drift yet. Solid controller but I feel I have to stretch my thumb to reach the Dpad.
@LeBoxMan3 жыл бұрын
Yes, that is because is an XBone Controller and not an Xbox Controller.
@Fuzzy-883 жыл бұрын
A KZfaqr named Solderking created something similar a few months ago on his channel. But I think his version you could remove but I believe his had like 6 pots on it.
@meriscorditan27993 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. Not having to buy new pots every now and then to fix the drift is great, less waste since you don't have to throw the old pots away.
@EricRave420 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I'm currently modding my controllers for my PS4 Pro. And these pcb boards are amazing. Thank you again
@alistairblaire60013 жыл бұрын
It might be possible to have a joycon version but the design would have to be totally different since those sticks use ribbon connections. You would have to make something super tiny with an input and output ribbon attachment. It would be difficult since the joycons are super cramped inside already.
@DrRubix17123 жыл бұрын
You say truly permanent, what happens when the carbon traces inside of the analog potentiometers start to dissappear?
@cameronabshire11953 жыл бұрын
Also, this only addresses deadzone issues, not actual drift. Actual drift manifests as inaccurate readings at the *edges* of the analog stick's range, not at the center. It's like the analog stick has permanently rotated in place. Additionally, drift causes inaccurate readings when your analog stick snaps back to the center, causing it to either move back too slowly, not at all, or overshoot it. So this isn't really a solution at all.
@mjc09613 жыл бұрын
You replace the potentiometers. TronixFix has a few videos about this. If you can install this flex, you should be able to swap the potentiometers. EDIT: Looks like Helder is also selling said potentiometers. Grab the potentiometers to replace them, grab the flex PCBs to reset the deadzone, good as new.
@DrRubix17123 жыл бұрын
@@mjc0961 I watch him and am capable myself, however MachoNacho advertised this as a permanent fix, when it is most definitely not one
@cameronabshire11953 жыл бұрын
@@mjc0961 Correct, but that means that the fix in this video is not the fix we are looking for.
@mrplusminus2Ай бұрын
I was soldering one of boards on and one of the potentiometers fell off - what the heck! I was able to solder it back on but it was a pain. You should add a warning to be careful with heat when you are close to those.
@ScruffyLookinRGB3 жыл бұрын
Helder has done a solid favor to the gaming community no doubt! Tito you have given us another top notch easy to follow instructional video for the ages. Thanks brotha
@xRedMan263 жыл бұрын
I just finished installing these on my dualsense and I'm so glad it worked I didn't have a drift more of a flicker on the right stick but it normal again took me a few time to adjust it correctly since it was very sensitive for some reason but at the end it was worth it 😁
@MachoNachoProductions3 жыл бұрын
Nice!!
@AaronGoSoFast2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the update.
@SGVSOUTHSIDE2 жыл бұрын
Update?
@AlbertHighnsteinАй бұрын
update??
@silverden87063 жыл бұрын
Damn, that's exactly what I need for my controllers ... Have been a victim of stick drifting for so long
@alwayssonny7873 жыл бұрын
Great work as always Tito! I thought this process was gonna be way more complicated than it turned out to be.
@myretronation3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating... always thought completely replacing the analog sticks was required to fix this. I only ever faced this on a DualShock 4. My previous generation PlayStation and Xbox controllers are still fine.
@eddiew.46503 жыл бұрын
Switch owners rn are filling up with salty tears.
@MachoNachoProductions3 жыл бұрын
😅
@probablydei3 жыл бұрын
I wonder why doesn't Sony or MS implement this kind of compensation in the firmware...
@subcon9593 жыл бұрын
Because they consider it a consumable item and want you to buy a new controller every time.
@XMorbius3 жыл бұрын
The issue seems to be coming from the signal the joystick is putting out, and I'm not sure that could be calibrated in software. If you have drift and set the zero point in software to where the controller naturally rests, then you change the drift to the opposite direction. Because it's still registering the stick as tilted. If it's a small drift you could make that part of the controller a dead zone, but then you lose precision. If you compensate for the tilt by assuming the opposite of it, you've changed the range of tilt for the joystick. The new maximum amount of tilt in the direction with drift becomes the old maximum tilt minus the amount of drift. Now since potentiometers can be adjusted to correct the issue with full range, it would be possible to create a hardware / software solution by putting some digital potentiometers in the controller for the firmware to calibrate with. But that's a lot of hardware and dev work which would increase the price of the controller for a problem that affects a subset of people. Maybe it'd still be worth it to be able to fix controller drift? I could see it both ways. But realistically as things are now the best thing to do with controller drift is make sure to return the controller or use the manufacturer's warranty if still available. They don't make money off returns / warranty claims so if enough of those come up they'll start making choices on how to make sure fewer controllers are affected by drift. All of that said, I work in software and am only a hobbyist in electronics so there might be more to it than that. But from a software perspective that's how I see it.
@Helvetica_Scenario3 жыл бұрын
@@XMorbius All you need to do is make it a deadzone. It's so small most of the time, only the biggest tryhard, mlg nutcases would care.
@user-fj2kl6oj7v Жыл бұрын
I can't believe this video had been out for 2 Years! I have 3 PS5 Controllers with drift, & was thinking of paying for the pro. Now I think I'll invest my money on this quick fix. Thank you @MachoNachoProductions. You have earned my subscription! 👍🏻
@ReshiramZekrom_3 жыл бұрын
15€? Seriously?
@JamesTFaile3 жыл бұрын
We finally have an explanation for why the GameCube never had analog stick drift. It set the calibration to the center every time the controller was connected/powered on. In other words, if you hold the analog stick down it sets that as the center position so the controller snapping to the center shows that it's always being pushed up. Looks like all this drifting is happening because they introduced a "feature" where you can't get into that bad state by pushing the analog stick while powering up the controller.
@createdshocked47002 жыл бұрын
Nintendo has been found by Japanese. Others are found by European/Asian employees. Difference is like Earth and Saturn. Let’s be honest.
@frozeneku2 жыл бұрын
@@createdshocked4700 2 of the 3 major console devs are Japanese, as well as those 2 being the biggest ones in the world. Xbox even borrowed some design advice from their Japanese employees when the OG Fat Xbox controller (nicknamed the "Duke") failed massively way back when. It's not about race, rather whether devs want to try or not. Nintendo has been doing this since the N64 days. Sony and Microsoft just have to either develop their own analogue sticks, or ALPS needs to make sticks more durable.
@vgamedude122 жыл бұрын
@@createdshocked4700 lol sony and nintendo both have been literally sued for having this issue
@DATolin3 жыл бұрын
That's pretty awesome... could definitely use a set at some point. My Dualsense has already started to develop drift and it's super annoying... glad to hear there's actually a solution other than replacing it or the parts of the controller itself, especially considering I'm not rough with my controllers. I also wonder... does the PS3's controller have a compatible soldering layout? Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention!
@Belal-Khan Жыл бұрын
I've been seeing these boards online, and I'm glad I stumbled on this video. I wanted to see how they worked and this explained it perfectly. Thanks again
@drewirons26463 жыл бұрын
I would love to see a solution for gamecube
@SS3Dman3 жыл бұрын
Would it work on GameCube ?
@marcianoacuerda3 жыл бұрын
This might work too. If potentiometers are the problem you can still use this board. It won’t fit as nicely but you just have to solder it using wires. As Tito said only those 6 solder points matter.
@othertonywi1son3 жыл бұрын
This would in theory work with some shell mods, I think they use the same resistance. The Gamecube controller PCB rests directly on the rear plastic for support, so you'd have to shave off where these pots are. What I typically do is desolder a joystick mechanism from a lightly used Wii Nunchuck and solder it into the Gamecube controller, this is to provide a snappy responsive part.
@drewirons26463 жыл бұрын
@@othertonywi1son I figured there might be a way to mod these. I am also curious about another application in a Japanese Hori Wii classic controller I have which has some drifting (the one I have is baby blue -- a very cool controller that is awesome when paired with various adapters). Seems the joysticks are similar to the Hori Battle Pad ones; it might be easier to just harvest a replacement from one of those.
@juanarro32112 жыл бұрын
Si pero cuando la pista resistiva del análogo está dañada hay q cambiar el análogo porque tiene puntos muertos, te das cuenta porque al moverlo hace rulos en el lugar o como el movimiento de una serpiente al avamzar.
@gumbyx843 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Thank you for adding timestamps. Also that's really nice of you doing the giveaway
@ChuckBerrington7 ай бұрын
Not a permanent fix, just a continuous fix until it finally breaks mechanically. Replacement would probably be a better option or a drop-in hall stick.
@HokusaiXL3 жыл бұрын
From what I could see on the PCB, the only electrical connections are directly to the pots, so you can actually cut away at the PCB to get around the vibration motor wires on the PS5 controller and hall effect sensors on the xbox controllers. Might not be necessary, but would make for a flatter install.
@RetroLodge3 жыл бұрын
I have a PS4 controller with a joystick drift, even though I got it from Amazon as brand new.
@MachoNachoProductions3 жыл бұрын
This will for sure fix it
@necrago3 жыл бұрын
wierd, I have one I've used almost all the time the last 4 years and it's fine
@RetroLodge3 жыл бұрын
@@MachoNachoProductions I love watching your videos man, thanks for hearting my comment. I would attempt to install this but I'm scared, I will make it worse since I've got no experience opening my controller. 😀😬
@MachoNachoProductions3 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@onedeadsaint3 жыл бұрын
@@RetroLodge if you take it really does you should be ok. just watch out for the bumpers and triggers cause they will fall off easily and send those tiny springs flying. it's not too bad, and if you watch a good video showing you how I'm confident you'll be fine! good luck
@markcarr30053 жыл бұрын
Great video mate so simple and easy
@ryankao22483 жыл бұрын
Helder's doing everything nowadays!
@JesusOfTheJungle2 жыл бұрын
Fuck yes! Yes, the producers of the controllers are intentionally building these things to not last... But this is effectively saying a well deserved "FUCK YOU" to those people! and I support that. I will tell everyone I know this information, in the feeble hope it may actually change the decisions of the companies designing these controllers. Well played, Helder. Well played.
@jeshbates29932 жыл бұрын
exactly
@Ryan-xn3mt3 жыл бұрын
I’m gonna leave a comment in hopes I win a set. But 15 bucks to fix my controllers is way cheaper than buying a new controller. Edit: I have a ps4 controller with drift.
@jbacmafi2 жыл бұрын
Did it broke after 1yr
@bopiangM Жыл бұрын
This thing now u can buy off AliExpress for 1 dollar per pcs
@cuiff622 жыл бұрын
Pretty impressive, most of 360 controllers have joystick drift, it could be interesting to have a solution for those ones too. And your video's great, (the other mod videos too) it's short, you go straight to the point, it's easy to understand and i think even non english people can understand you very well, i'm french and didn't miss a single word. Great job! 👍
@meatsafemurderer77432 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure it'd work in a 360 controller...hell I think it'd work in a PS1 controller! They all use the same basic analog assembly with all the same pins in the same places. Analog stick technology hasn't changed since the 90's (which is part of the problem).
@FlameLFH2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a more advanced version of the Joycon drift fix. Interesting stuff.
@StephenArsenault3 жыл бұрын
A nice solution would be a "man-in-the-middle" device which the wireless controllers (xbox, PS, etc) connect to and relays to the console with offset stick data; no physical mods necessary. An additional advantage would be ease of adjusting the offset as the controllers drift further.
@frogg47113 жыл бұрын
That wouldn't work cause then you wouldn't be able to input full right if the offset is to the left for example
@StephenArsenault3 жыл бұрын
@@frogg4711 Yea, you could train the model for your resting + full LRUD directions. This is my point; an intercepting device is flexible because it's software operated. Anyway, it's all theoretical, to the best of my knowledge no one makes anything like this.
@meatsafemurderer77432 жыл бұрын
@@StephenArsenault No, it wouldn't work. The controller itself takes the resistance and outputs data in the range of 0.0 - 1.0, with a center of 0.5. If, at rest, your stick is at 0.8 then you lose the full range of movement with a software solution. The centering has to be done in hardware, either automatically at power on by the controller itself, as the PS2 / Gamecube controllers did, or manually with a potentiometer.
@StephenArsenault2 жыл бұрын
@@meatsafemurderer7743 The controller architecture knows "0.0 - 1.0" is the desired full range and we know that the aged controllers present less (e.g., "0.0 - 0.8" to continue the original example). To address this short coming we would use an intercepting device between the joy stick to divide the joystick output into 512 steps between "0.0 - 0.8". This provides the opportunity for the interceptor to use the "0.0 - 0.8" as an input and map the output to 512 increments of the desired output (e.g, "0.0 - 1.0"). Your joy stick would no longer independently produce the full range of motion but with the assistance of a device to intercept and re-interpret the signal as a new output to the controller architecture, it would restore the experience of a full range of motion.
@meatsafemurderer77432 жыл бұрын
@@StephenArsenault You misunderstood my point. If the center point is 0.8 then the range on the pots is 0.3 - 1.3. Since the controller clips the output at 1.0 that means that you have an effective range of 0.3 - 1.0. Since it's centered around 0.8 that means that you have a precision of just +/- 0.2 (0.6 - 1.0). Even if you normalise that to + 0.5 it's never going to regain the lost information because you're doing the correction after the analog to digital conversion, all you're doing is stretching the values out. Pushing it to hypothetical extremes that could result in an "analog" stick that has only 2 speeds.
@nerdstrangler48043 жыл бұрын
Dude needs to open a store on amazon or ebay. Or at least allow us to easily checkout with paypal on his website. No offense but I am not creating an account and handing over all my personal information to what looks like a circa 1995 geocities website. I would totally buy these just to play around with otherwise.
@kaibaman13503 жыл бұрын
He does PayPal Checkout.
@nerdstrangler48043 жыл бұрын
@@kaibaman1350 Only after forcing you to create an account and fill in all your information. I said easily checkout with paypal, you know like most websites. Where you simply click the paypal button select your shipping address and you are on your way. But frankly he should just be selling through a reputable 3rd party website like amazon or ebay.
@tabula_rosa Жыл бұрын
this used to be a built-in feature of controllers when they came out of the factory
@bagos13GR5 ай бұрын
i was searching for a video like this for years, liked, subscribed, Saved and gonna buy some and use them. GREAT video!
@inlovewithi3 жыл бұрын
Oh no. I solder it, and then immediately put, screwed the controller back together. Damn. Jk, but I'm sure that will happen to one or two people.
@KopAce3 жыл бұрын
Just yesterday I was having a nightmare with my Switch Pro Controller drifting, replaced the potentiometers twice and the whole analog assebly once (with official ALPS parts) but nothing, the damn thing was still drifting... hopefully they make this product compatible with the Pro Controller too!
@MachoNachoProductions3 жыл бұрын
I hope so too
@Call_Me_David3 жыл бұрын
There's got to be bigger issues with your controller then, because most drift is cause by the conductive surface inside the joystick module wearing away and changing the resistance values. Replacing the whole module should have fixed that and I can't see how this flex pcb would fix that.
@hamsterwolf3 жыл бұрын
What I have heard about Xbox controllers maybe this applies to switch pro controllers as well is that the sticks inside the controller comes calibrated from factory and this data is hard coded into the PCB. So when you replace your sticks you actually need to adjust the new pots so they line up with the values the controller is expecting. From what I can see this mod looks to be a very good way to fix this issue.
@adrianchavezmorales7993 жыл бұрын
Yeah I been having trouble also with the newest ps4 controllers I switched around 1000 controllers alaredy but every single ps4 jdm-055 controller I have done has not been fix so there has to be something else that we have to do because everything that I've read no one has been able to fix the newest ps4 controllers
@cleftboywonder3 жыл бұрын
So can you sodder them for us?
@SevenDeMagnus6 ай бұрын
Soldering especially with top 1 tools & materials with a top 1 ventilator is like a sanctuary onto itself- so satisfying :-) God bless
@SaschaB2B3 жыл бұрын
This is still not permanent if I eventually have to recalibrate it later
@q4sbgf9kfgrd62 жыл бұрын
better than forking over another $70 for yet another controller, no?
@ToxoRetro3 жыл бұрын
I like the concept of the mod, allowing recalibration from a simple fixed pot tweek. From an electronics point of view, what does this kit actually do - does it run an additional potentiometer in parallel or series with the official pots? Not really a drift issue as such, I'd like to see a readily available long-term solution to the sloppy N64 stick deterioration. I know someone made a metal solution, but they're like as common as unicorn dung - always showing as unavailable.
@lop1652 Жыл бұрын
Serial connection. Additional pots used are there to supplement the required resistances, that the original pots lost, due to degradation. Parallel connection won't be able to accomplish that. Total resistance will be lesser than both the original and added pot.
@rick5078 Жыл бұрын
combining this solder-on pcb technique with hall effect replacement joysticks to convert to the controllers from potentiometers to pure hall effect controllers would be even better.
@rick5078 Жыл бұрын
guess helder and gulikit should have a conversation. :) and please, folks, use a bit of hot air to peel the stickers off instead of cutting into them... looks much neater when finished.
@Mmmm_tea9 ай бұрын
it isn't truely "permanent" you can only adjust the compensatory resistance so much, it will probably hit a point where no amount of adjustment will make up for lack of resistance, like when the brush completely breaks contact or the track is fully worm away
@dra6o0n8 ай бұрын
Yeah, it extends the life by 2x maybe, you can invest in hall effect modules when it gets cheaper though plus it's reusable, just remove it from older gamepads you don't need. As well, hall effect stick modules do have natural drift, because it is super sensitive and needs springs or something to center the stick solidly.
@Minister6193 жыл бұрын
This is absolutelly nonsens!!! You cant use resistors OMG to move drift to center... Are you mad? You will move zero and than you will lose maximum movement with analog from 100% to 90% for example. This will not solve drift!!
@subcon9593 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot Brexit.. yet another retailer I can't buy from. I don't really understand why it's fine for some and not others but oh well. Guess I'll have to stick with replacing the pots until China clones these.
@Angryhelder3 жыл бұрын
Or wait a few weeks till ZedLabz get them to sell over in the UK and Europe
@ToxoRetro3 жыл бұрын
To be fair to @@Angryhelder, it's probably far cheaper to send large batches to Zedlabz to stock as opposed to individual separate customers. That's unless they wish to setup their own UK warehouse and want staff to run it. 😉
@Angryhelder3 жыл бұрын
@@ToxoRetro that is what the plan is, he sells from a large batch to UK and European customers
@ToxoRetro3 жыл бұрын
@@Angryhelder 🤘😎 From my experience, Zedlabz are quick, reliable and have a great customer service (I had one faulty product in which they got on and sorted). If they can support companies with a good reputation (such as what I've heard about your products from US KZfaqrs) whilst keeping prices tags sensible for UK/European customers, that's win-win-win. Thank you for looking after us in 🏴, 🏴 & 🏴! 😁🍻
@JesusRodriguezCisneros3 жыл бұрын
Hey Tito, pretty neat mod to fix old worn controllers. I haven’t faced this issue but only replacing the worn pads. Thanks for sharing this :)
@primedesiree Жыл бұрын
Awesome ❤ I will be trying this out
@HF-2018 ай бұрын
Me: finally I can fix my joystick drift permanently Him:shows something you need to buy Me:😫
@Nimbus042 жыл бұрын
I bet 50% of gamepad owners know how to remove their controllers, but not even 5% of them would know how to solder or have the kits to do so.
@CF-Gaming01 Жыл бұрын
Remember, this isn’t a permanent fix and using it could cause the screws to move and you may find yourself having to adjust more times that you’d like. Personally I’d rather just clean the potentiometer with rubbing alcohol and if needs must, just solder on a new joystick. They last years.
@fredolmedo66653 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Your videos have given me the confidence and courage to mod and fix my own consoles.
@harryhack91 Жыл бұрын
I think calling it "permanent" is a bit misleading. The difference between this and other solutions is that it provides a fix that lasts longer, and makes it easier to recalibrate when needed. But that's it, you will eventually need to recalibrate it at some point, so, by definition it's not really permanent.
@rnbricky3 жыл бұрын
awesome mod! liking this short, and more clean intro too, a lot easier on the ears
@mrobb9898 Жыл бұрын
Can’t believe I didnt see this for 2 years you appreciate the video big help🙏🏾
@supertoadmods3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome now I can fix all my friend's controllers, there better be a joy con one coming soon though
@oasdfe16913 жыл бұрын
Everyone's PS5 controllers are in warranty anyway. Once that's over then this fix will be very useful
@justyourAverageBread8 ай бұрын
FINALLY. Thank you so much for this simple tutorial! Literally the only down side is i have to learn how to solder it on lol.
@mapacheracoon1912 жыл бұрын
I really was looking after a tutorial like this. Outstanding content.
@k.k92063 жыл бұрын
Excellent video thank you! I will be ordering these boards, you're a gem on youtube.
@captaincs8440 Жыл бұрын
Did it work for you ?
@DaRockCandy2 жыл бұрын
How do these affect the outter dead zone? Do this affect the area where max input is detected? Is full range affected?
@Ronin74773 жыл бұрын
Yo Tito, I love your videos, as always, easy to understand and follow. This is exactly what I need for my Gears 5 controller. I just ordered a set.
@Shockdown323 жыл бұрын
Haven't had to deal with this yet, but good to know these exist!
@eathenalexander28363 жыл бұрын
The production and camera photography in ur videos are amazing 👏
@MachoNachoProductions3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@ryujiyamazaki5833 жыл бұрын
As always U make amazing video's 👍! Looking forward to your new project & it was good to chat with U yesterday on the live session. Keep the good work bro 👍
@stephans.615823 күн бұрын
Still even in 2024 my favourite controllers are the xbox one slim and elite series 1. With this controllers you need such a drift fix board whenever you have to replace a damaged thumbstick. And pressing the thumbstick damages the integrated button over time, so sooner or later you will have to replace a thumbstick. I am very happy these boards exist.
@kacketnaopacke3 жыл бұрын
Sony/Microsoft: wait, that's illegal
@Alex13mod3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome news for my old controllers with this issue
@jilliancodella74422 жыл бұрын
I'm sure the problem causing the joy-con drift are the R3 and L3 buttons. I've seen a lot of things pointing to this. Just don't press down on the joy-cons/Switch Lite joy-stick and everything should be fine. Something about something bending when pressure is put on it. I read this somewhere. I'm planning on getting a Switch Lite for Christmas so I've been reading up on this. It's not just the Switch/Switch Lite. Other controllers with similar buttons have the same thing happen from what I've been reading up online. Maybe this is why some people don't have the problem. They never press down on the control sticks like a button as much as others do or not at all.
@lop1652 Жыл бұрын
I don't doubt that what you're saying might accelerate the process, but it's really just degradation of pots with use. Another fix is to just replace sensors in these pots, which won't even require you to solder anything, unless you fuck it up, that is. The actual solution will be the use of Hall sensors, instead of pots. Those things are much better suited for this task and will probably never malfunction.