Macintosh Classic, Classic II & Color Classic repair +External SCSI drive restoration Apple HD20SC

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3 ай бұрын

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DeoxIT D5 Contact Cleaner
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Pro'sKit SS-331 Desoldering Station
UNI-T UT61E Auto Ranging Multimeter
UNI-T UT890D Manual Ranging Multimeter
MESR-100 mk2 ESR meeter
PINECIL Soldering Iron
PinePowerPSU
TS-100 Soldering Iron
AMTECH NC-559-ASM Flux
Kester 951 Flux pen
MaAnt Grinding Pen
Multicore 60/40. 0.38mm and 0.5mm solder
TL866 II Plus Programmer
RIGOL DHO800 70MHz four-channel digital scope
Tektronix 2246A 100 MHz four-channel analog scope
InfiRay P2 Pro Thermal Camera
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@markdjdeenix6846 3 ай бұрын

The still photo of the soldering iron 😂

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

@BigBadBench 3 ай бұрын

Whew! You crammed a lot into this video. I'm tired just from watching it!

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

yah, it was a bit much this week lol

@bobweiram6321 3 ай бұрын

An ultrasonic cleaner would make you jump for joy. In a couple of minutes it will clean out the grime and grease residue, leaving the part squeaky clean.

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

It's definitely on the wish list : )

@agntdrake 3 ай бұрын

Interesting technique for holding a hot soldering iron at 12:08!

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

;)

@f.k.b.16 3 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same!

@SonicBoone56 3 ай бұрын

Let's hope it wasn't turned on for the photo lmao

@anthonyblacker8471 3 ай бұрын

These old drives are SO important to the history of home computing. It is a shame kids today will grow up without the experience of dealing with these mechanical drives, the joy of the sounds they made, the frustration when they crashed.. both good and bad, as with everything in life!

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

Totally agree. Love the sound they make :)

@SonicBoone56 3 ай бұрын

I was born at the end of the 90s so unfortunately my experience of mechanical drives is quite boring.

@anthonyblacker8471 3 ай бұрын

@@SonicBoone56 there are still plenty of old machines out there, relics to time, in old insurance company basements and municipal building storages.. they need to wipe the drives and sell those things. I know because in the small town where I grew up they STILL have old IBM PC systems in the basement.. Yup.

@charlesdorval394 3 ай бұрын

Thank you for straightening those capacitor legs ;) So many times I didn't and regretted it hehehe

@Megatog615 3 ай бұрын

ah, the leg de-bending technique you use is not something i have thought of doing. that's such a good idea to reheat the solder to unbend the leg properly.

@SonicBoone56 3 ай бұрын

Agreed. I gotta start doing that.

@DavidScheiber 3 ай бұрын

Edit: early comment, I see now you did this on the 3rd drive. Often these drives with stepper motors have stuck bearings in the steppers, the grease turns to glue after a while. The one that spins might just need a drop of bearing oil on the stepper bearings.

@etgripper 3 ай бұрын

We had a Classic II when I was growing up. It had a duck hunt clone, not sure if it came preinstalled or not, but when I’d enter my name for the high score “John Doe” was always on top. One day my parents were watching the news and the police were looking for some murder suspect in LA, and he was a “John Doe,” not knowing what that meant at the time I flipped shit thinking a murderer was in our house using my mac.

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

🤣

@coleeau 3 ай бұрын

sometimes on older drives, the main motor gets a bit stuck and is unable to spin up on its own. try applying power and immediately manually spin up the platter. this fixed an old prodrive 80s of mine.

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I'll give that a try

@g4z-kb7ct 3 ай бұрын

Yeah Rodime drives were a thing back then. A friend and I bought two SCSI 105MB Rodime used drives (from the same local guy) for our Amiga 2000 machines. His drive lasted about 3 months then died. Mine was still working at that time so soon afterwards I sold it to a local guy as a working drive for some good money. I assume it died eventually but that wasn't my problem hehe!

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I thought they only made those proprietary drives for the Mac 512Ke. learning something every day

@lauram5905 3 ай бұрын

For the Color Classic, you may try looking for broken solder joints around the flyback and the neckboard. If the grid pins are grounded or left floating intermittently, that would cause all sorts of weird behavior. Broken/corroded pots might be a problem too

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I don't remember if I have reflowed the solder joints on this CC. I'll check. Pots are cleaned but sins this looks very much like bad pots, I'll clean them again and more thoroughly this time

@senilyDeluxe 3 ай бұрын

@@Epictronics1 Just don't bang the CRT neck. At some arcade/home console museum there was a small Sony Trinitron where the picture would intermittently become super dim and fuzzy. After some resoldering and cap changing with no results (it would work great for hours, then go dim and fuzzy, sometimes so dim you have trouble seeing it's turned on at all). When I had it open, I whacked the neck of the CRT, thinking it might clear up a temporary short. Instead, it made a temporary short permanent, wrecking the CRT. At least it revealed there was a temporary short inside the CRT.

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

@@senilyDeluxe Let's just hope it's something else :/

@eDoc2020 3 ай бұрын

I'm thinking it could be a problem with the G2 (screen) voltage. On many displays an adjustment for this is built into the flyback/rectifier module so hopefully that's not bad.

@samt4202 3 ай бұрын

You may be able to fix the Conner drive by taking it apart and removing the rubber bushings (they degrade with time and become sticky and then turn to goo) that cushion the voice coil assembly from the screws that go into the magnets. Also the gasket for the entire drive tends to turn to an oily subsistence as well. Make sure you ware gloves when taking apart this drive as the gooey rubber tends to get everywhere.

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I'll give it a try, thanks

@TheSimTetuChannel 3 ай бұрын

Goodbye Marchintosh...Hello Appleril!

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

The Apple II is coming out of storage :)

@bikkiikun 3 ай бұрын

The Color's issues might not be caused by something else, but by several things, including the scorching diodes and bad caps. One thing, I would check next is other diodes, maybe look at transistors... check for other excessively hot components, if you have a FLIR. Maybe replace thermo pads and grease underneath heat-sinks. And overall, check whether there are loose legs or broken solder joints. And maybe check the values of the poties, before switching on and after the fault appears.

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

Great suggestions, thanks

@JibunnoKage-cj2kz 2 ай бұрын

Use "Low Melt" solder to make it easier to remove components. The low melt solder lowers the total melting point of the older solder, makes it much easier to remove components.

@Epictronics1 2 ай бұрын

Yes, I use Chip Quick whenever it's not suitable to use the rework station.

@SonicBoone56 3 ай бұрын

Honestly no reason to replace that huge capacitor. Caps that size tend to almost never fail. And most people only want old mechanical drives for authenticity or nostalgia. Still worth saving them.

@olepigeon 3 ай бұрын

33:58 - There was a rare SCSI conversion upgrade option for the Hard Disk 20. Very few people got it, though.

@awilliams1701 3 ай бұрын

I remember back in the day the C64 was completely silent except for the disk access. I believed that some day completely silent computers would be a thing. In spite of having 8 fans and a water pump, my computer is completely silent. So I was never fond of disks. And I was never fond of CRTs either. They were a bit flickery and I always thought they were a tad blurry. So I love the machines, but not the old media.

@bikkiikun 3 ай бұрын

It's the same thing with classic cars. They look great, but they're sh*t to drive and have lots of safety issues. The phrase "they don't build them like they used to" is most of the time used incorrectly. They don't build like they used to, because progress made cars better (not necessarily prettier, though).

@g4z-kb7ct 3 ай бұрын

Your CRT was blurry because like most people they bought the cheapest thing available. If you look at a high end Sony CRT it looks amazing.

@awilliams1701 3 ай бұрын

@@bikkiikun not true for cars, but it might be for other things. I think old school fridges were better than modern ones.

@awilliams1701 3 ай бұрын

@@g4z-kb7ct I've seen high end sony and NEC displays. They are significantly better, but still blurry.

@awilliams1701 3 ай бұрын

@@g4z-kb7ct and they still hurt my eyes cause of the flickering.

@olepigeon 3 ай бұрын

Yay, Würth caps! My favorite. I like them because they tend to be the lowest cost amongst the higher performance capacitors (low ESR, temp, etc.) Way cheaper than similarly rated capacitors from Rubycon, Nichicon, and Chemicon.

@g4z-kb7ct 3 ай бұрын

A local friend always uses Wurth caps but only because they are red heh!

@olepigeon 3 ай бұрын

@@g4z-kb7ct They certainly stand out. :) Only downside is that they don't sell axial capacitors. But they're still some of the best priced polymer caps.

@maxtornogood 3 ай бұрын

This episode took a bit of "elbow" & literal grease!

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

With enough hours and PTFE there isn't much one can't fix :)

@RudysRetroIntel 3 ай бұрын

Another excellent video and work! Thanks for sharing

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

Thanks Rudy!

@g4z-kb7ct 3 ай бұрын

Over-brightness could be a bad trimpot as they often get wear spots on them where there's no contact, meaning the value of the resistance is zero. Can also be caused by the flyback adjustment pots wandering over time (although they shouldn't wander). Or something in the brightness circuit on the board has failed.

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I have cleaned the pots but I'll clean them again

@Aeduo 3 ай бұрын

21:55 that icon on the left, looking a little sus.

@johni1842 3 ай бұрын

There is a solder bridge on the + leg of C9 on the mac classic

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I was wondering if anyone would notice :) I did, and I fixed it

@anthonyblacker8471 3 ай бұрын

Good call, I saw it and came down here! Nice!!

@SonicBoone56 3 ай бұрын

I just use high quality low ESR caps in general for anything I care about.

@tschak909 3 ай бұрын

Fwiw, the classics have system 6.0.3 in ROM. Use cmd R when powering on.

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I keep forgetting. Thanks for the reminder

@GGigabiteM 3 ай бұрын

Be careful when manually turning the platters. You shouldn't rotate the platters backwards, because you can crash the heads and destroy the drive. If the heads have any tiny bit of resistance at all, you can rip them clean off turning the spindle by hand. As for the ST-225N that doesn't spin, did you check for delayed start? Most SCSI drives have an option for delayed start, which keeps the spindle stopped until told to start by the SCSI host controller.

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I'll check, thanks!

@jozsefizsak 3 ай бұрын

I would have thought that turning the hard drive motor against the normal direction would damage the drive heads. I'm just assuming they're always connected. Am I missing something? BTW, the Chemicon SM caps are not particularly exotic. They have many that are exceptionally good, starting with the fairly common KM series, if memory serves.

@erickvond6825 3 ай бұрын

I suspect that the glitches in the color mac are due to bad components on the neck board. Possibly a bad solder joint or MOSFET.

@tony359 3 ай бұрын

oh no, I was hopeful for the Trinitron! What about moving the drive trimmer back and forth a bit? Maybe it needs to be "cleaned". And you have a working miniscribe! Mine works but it's unusable... I'll work on some Macs soon, I'll keep this video in mind!

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I still haven't given up on the Miniscribe in the Canon lol. One day we'll get it running :D It sure looks like it could be corrosion in a pot. I have cleaned them once but I will clean them again.

@tony359 3 ай бұрын

@@Epictronics1 isn't the drive pot in the flyback? Maybe just turning it back and forth several times will do the trick - not when it's running :)

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

@@tony359 yes, the gain is very likely on the flyback. I'll check!

@MikesArcadeMonitorRepair 3 ай бұрын

Drifting brightness/G2 voltage is a common symptom of a failing flyback. I suspect you have a failing/faulty flyback on that color classic.

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I'll check, thanks

@2xtreem4u 3 ай бұрын

i have a 250MB quantum harddisk and a working sony floppy drive but no computer for them

@BilisNegra 3 ай бұрын

50 caps, including several large ones, to be replaced in the Color Classic's analog board... Apart from time consuming, that doesn't sound exactly cheap. How much is it for all of those?

@Epictronics1 3 ай бұрын

I ordered these together with caps for other computers so I don't know unfortunately