Ah I thought that All guns are banned

@@DanielBrosman08211986 band where in good old England 🤣🤣🤣🤣😄😄

How many shots per co2 cartridge are you getting now with all of these mods in place?

@@samfletcher93 Normaly goes back to 7.5 joule after 5-7 clips, so 5-7x6

​@samfletcher8864 with the +20J modification, which is the kit, shoot 12 rounds at stable power without power reduction, with 11Jb18 rounds, well, it would be 14 with the +20J and 20 rounds with the 11J from then on each shot loses, but the normal thing is to adjust to full drum 3 drums at 11J n2 Drum to +20J

I have actual gun cloths so there all yellowish brown but I agree with everything you said

Wow I’m about to do this upgrade thanks for the advice!

I was taught that from experience lol

but in Swiss the normal version has 11 joule, no need for that??

Lol very 👍 nice!

In Germany its the same😢❤

You boast because you think you live somewhere cool. Don't you, Mister San Fran Temazipan man. Well, gargle my gherkin, I'm from L.A.... Little Altcar., Merseyside . Look where you leap, mate.....

​@@godsrighthandfull well I'm from Horseshoe Bend, so la di da! 🤪

@@vimanaboy im from Tewkesbury so boo yaaa

Hi, thank you for posting the video, I’m struggling with getting the screws out, there quite small and the screws can easily round off when I try to get them out, any thoughts on what screwdriver works well?

Hey, can i ask you where you got your upgrade kit?

what gauge please?

@@jimithesaintkl hello Jimi, if i recall correctly it was either the bottom e or the one above it. Took a few goes to get it right length,and try using a drill bit to wind the coil. I think it has made the action a little smoother. 36/46 gauge.

@@danceswithbadgers4024 I bet those shots really sing! lol

Hey Jeff, what do you mean by tune the magazine? Many thanks

@@bucks09 Hi mate. Just make a sandpaper cigar and lightly sandpaper the chambers so that the balls feed in from the front. Just a light press fit. Snugg not tight. Enjoy.

@@jeffsmith50001 understood. Thanks Jeff👌

Its 500 for 30 quid ish. sorry. Still good.

me too

In an upcoming video, I have the adapter and bottle, so will give it a go.

Yes HDR50/TR50 can go "beyond multiverse" with hpa. Extremely powerful with hpa. Not only that, much cheaper to shoot with hpa and hand pump.

'Rune Rebel' on KZfaq, doing grate videos like this 'mad dog' 😉 Check him out 😎

Thank you for the advice Capt. Tamre'.... Btw your flying skills are quite extraordinary!

@@slaughterx8934 Sure, I'm already gone. I'm in Norway now. Are you happy you boneheaded twit? Look you Ruskie troll, quit attacking other nations and there wouldn't be a need for NATO. You want NATO to leave you alone then you leave the world alone. You pathetic little Putin puppet.

@@onazram1 Thanks f marz! It's always a pleasure to have someone's compliment. I just hope I haven't lost the Edge when I get home. LOL! Ta! Ta! Tamre' (Edit: Ouch! That was a bad joke, I fly an Edge 540, sorry... 🤪👍)

umarex recommends to put 1 drop of RWS silicone oil on the tip of every co2 canister... RWS silicone oil is very expensive, can I use something alternative, what is your opinion of this

Looking back I see my statement was rather vague. What I meant was, can I use alternative brands of silicone oil or must it be only umarex brand RWS for umarex t4e, is RWS simply a marketing gimmick?

Not sure it will work, I plan to give it a go at some point.

I do have a vice, just waiting to sort my workbench out, the materials of which are being used as a platform for building the block wall at the back of the garage.

It was fairly cold, which might explain the low readings.

@@Maddogairguns aww OK, makes sense.

Yes, I put fresh CO2 in each time.

Can't remember off hand, but there are links in the description for the parts I used.

@@Maddogairguns I Mean The Gun

I'm sure in standard form the gun will fire whatever you can fit in it, the heavier the projectile the more power you will need to get it up to speed. As for drilling the export valve, I have also done that mod, there is a video of that with the results.

me 2, i also use them again if not damaged. but the main use of this gun, is not to target shoot for fun, but defense, so the cost of ammo is not a factor imo. cheers :)

That was the common myth at the time of recording, apparently the chamber inside the 7.5 joule version was slightly larger. I too am in France and my first HDR.50 was an 11 joule version, just managed to get 75 joules (I have a license) out of it using HPA. My HDR.68 (16 joule version) was hitting about 27-30 joules out of the box. A lot depends on what you want, the 68 is a big gun.

I've never experienced a burning smell from mine, I use Sonax silicone spray and never had a problem.

If I have it set to read joules, it's metres per second.

It’s very rare to really get out the advertised power on whatsoever airguns… Worst I’ve encountered was the SIG MCX CO2 pellet sprayer* (*because so inaccurate), It’s bragged a 12joules, but, on a hot summer day, just measured 5.8 J… And I bought even two of them, both the same, so I didn’t just get a lemon to be sent back !…

heat effects c02 quite a lot, warmer days more power, colder days less power. high pressure air conversions fix the problem but that's a whole other ball-ache to mod the the gun to work with a different power source.

They say it is because the co2 chamber is larger on the 7.5joule version. But it might not make much difference.

It is made from steel and I think has a tighter fit to the ammo, plus you can fit an extension which will give you more power. Check out my videos in this playlist for the mods that I have done. kzfaq.info/sun/PLka6oTXpGPRZkwA6VhO4NyQea3ruz-2lT

I would suggest a 38 Special revolver then? If you already live somewhere where these high powered air guns are legal, a real gun should not be a problem?

@@penedrador I have a residence permit in this country, and I cannot buy a normal pistol yet.

most places where airguns have no limit and only require you to be 18 to buy them have severe restrictions on real firearms, you may be able to buy them with a "sports" use permit, but a carry permit is difficult or impossible, carrying an airgun even would also for a defensive purpose be illegal in most places! and although you are allowed to defend yourself, doing so even in your home with a legally owned firearm you need to be extremely careful to not end up serving a long prison sentence for it, your really need to be facing certain death and be able to prove it! your word that someone came at you with a knife might not cut it, actual stab wounds might be required to convince a court of law! a non lethal option might be better if it is capable of actually stopping someone but either way it will be a gamble! of course different countries have slight variations... imo a fully automatic high round pr second hpa driven bb gun with a 1000 round plus magazine might also be better for stopping an intruder than a 6 shot paintball gun... regular 68 cal paintball guns on a field are around 13 joules, so even if you double that you just might make an intruder really angry with 6 shots. a steady continuous stream of a 1000 plus 0.177 steel bbs to the face i think would be a better deterrent! but if you absolutely want this revolver then a 13c hpa tank conversion using 12.7 mm steel ballbearing balls would probably give the best result... hpa can easily be tuned to much higher pressure than co2, but then might become lethal at some point if you hit someone in the right/wrong place. edit: there is also the hdr68, a 16 joule 68cal 5 shot version. but i assume they are the same gun as the 50cal 6 shot 11 joule with just a bigger bore and the same potential for tuning and power. and im not sure but i think the 50cal might "hurt" more as the projectile travels faster and impacts on a smaller area, assuming they can be tuned to the same joule...

​@@ralphbooger4756 not allowed to defend your own family or self? that is insane, good ol'AR-15 in 50Beowolf and the bad guy can not testify against you

Yes, you can get the same kit for HDR68, and fitting it is exactly the same.

you can drill out co2 restriction disk to 1mm then the power kit is pretty much useless

@@Seabass1206 Thank you very much for the reply...so you don't even need the pin that goes into the three hole valve? But what diameter should the piece of the co2 can have? Can you please give me some clear measurements? Or a link where they show this?

@@williamtabare8376 i would recommend starting at 1mm diameter 1.5mm max, the pin really doesn’t do too much and quite honestly the valve extension not so much either. if you want max power you need to run hpa and then you can remove the co2 restrictor disk completely and have it wide open

@@williamtabare8376 i forgot to mention removing the valve block but thats easy

@@Seabass1206 I have already removed the valve block but in this way I can only make 4 strokes at full power😢 mine is the 7.5 joule version

Don't think it makes much difference which one you have. In the early days of tuning this gun, there was talk that the 7.5joule version gave more power when modded, but think that has now been proved wrong.

@@Maddogairguns Awesome! Thanks for the fast reply. I love your channel

Smooth bore.

Yes you can mod both versions, 7.5 and the 11 joule.

Your never going to get what the manufacturer claim straight away. Here is the 7.5joule powerkit: en.homedefence-24.com/Collections/hdr-51/Products/powerkit-50-for-hdr50-export-valve-maximum-power-7-5j-16j?variant=32178585501814

Why France? The old dears moved here in 2003, and when I split with my ex I came out too.

@@Maddogairguns Cool...love France meself....stay safe Bud

If it has an F stamped on the gun, usually inside a pentagon, then it's a 7.5 Joule version.

Be careful, the power kit is only intended for the older, first generation, of the HDR ! If you have a second generation gun, this might explain some troubles, not saying incompatibility…

@@Crottedenez1000 I don't know if it's the first version or not however it's the 7.5 and I got the power kit for the 7.5 and the tunning barrel and it's working flawless. I don't know how to tell if it's first gen or 2nd I just followed the instructions mad dog gave me and it has a lot of power thanks for your help I do appreciate it. Thanks Spoonman.

Let me ask u how to tell 1st & 2nd generation from one another?

@@kevinspoonrc9372 Hello Spoonman ! I'm glad it worked out well for you ! Do you maybe have a chrony and perhaps mesured the before and after power difference ? I did also order a tuning kit but had not the time to make the change already. Since you were able to install the pin in yours, you must have the 1st generation... One can see the difference when removing the magazine and looking at the "Firing"pin : 1st generations have it in chrome colour, 2nd generations ones are black... Best regards and always stay safe ! (sorry for my bad Englisch !)

Sorry no crono however I got the power kit and installed it the difference Is very noticeable then I installed the upgraded barrel and it was noticable but then I ordered from MCS modern combat sports the 90g CO2 adapters and a what a hell of a difference "POWER" i won't be doing anymore upgrades it now has more than enough power. The MCS adapter's come with a open and close valve so you can save your CO2 and change it to a different gun with adapter it'll cost about $70 and now able to shoot more than 15 cylinders you don't have to change 12g CO2 every 2 cartridges. I don't know the fps however it shoots thru 1/4" - 3/8" plywood that's a lot for a home defense gun. I hope u do the same u won't regret it. The 90g CO2 coming out the handle is a little odd but you can shoot say 7 cylinders turn the tank off then later turn it back on and continue shooting another 8+ cylinders. I hope this helps thanks Spoonman

Yes, just make sure you order the tuning kit for the 7.5joule.

Sorry, I don't know of anywhere in France that sells 20 joules off the shelf, but I have got all mine from here and tuned them myself: www.toro-distribution.com/

@@Maddogairguns Ok thanks, what part of France are you? you can see where Iam

I think that was a myth flying about at one time, that a modded 7.5joule version would put out more power than the 11 joule. I have modded both and they come out pretty much the same.

@@Maddogairgunsthanks bruh, I'll watch your mod of the 11 joule video. If you could point me in that direction that would be great. I guess im concerned that i wont be able to shoot with pepperballs if i remove the block in my 11 j version

There are a few videos where I mod the 11 joule version, as I didn't do all the mods at the same time, with this video I did all the mods in one video, only difference with the 7.5joule version, is that you have to insert a disc into the CO2 chamber, the rest is exactly the same.

Yes, just waiting for the snow to clear, then I can get out on the range.

Mad Dog Airguns That will be cool to see, I was looking at getting an M17 but this is more powerful it’s cheaper and doesn’t have a bolt, heard that can break on the M17.

I’m hearing now, that there might not be much difference between the two, I’ll try to sort out a comparison video.

@@Maddogairguns cheers Ben, that'd be great. It certainly seems that way from your videos so far.

Yeah I'm really interested as well the differences between the two. Modded and unmodified as well as light simple mods

Yes.

If you get the 11 joules version, you can just remove the valve block restriction for an extra 3-4joules. That is really easy, no need to mess with the springs in the trigger mechanism. Just split the case, take out the block and put i back together again.

Hi,even though 50J+ still difficult fatal，Do not worry.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i79_dd1lxty1YWg.html This is about 13J+ Hdr 50,stopping power still insufficient. So you need this for home defend，you must use pepper ball.

@@Maddogairguns do you have a video on this?