Hell yeah man everyone is missing life

Me too man, me too. Just built a hardened scales deck, ready to take it to my LGS.

It hurts me watching them flick them, knowing I did the same

You have to give it to Reid though he played extremely well.

Same digital magic is garbage.

No such thing as a “pro” Magic player, no matter what spin they want to put on it.

Those savages.

The days where you at least got 4 turns to get your deck going.

I agree. I felt as though the judge didn't want to seem like he made a bad call in giving him a warning, so he just continued with Matt's (failed) warning to save his rep at that point. Honestly, Matt did nothing wrong. For one thing, Matt did nothing wrong at any point (he even noticed the mistake, for crying out loud). Also, I don't like how the judge portrayed Reid's mistake as a sign of game incompetency from Matt (again, even after Matt had noticed and the mistake), which is completely false when considering Reid and Matt agreed that they had noticed the mistake at the same time. Even then, Matt didn't make it a big deal or blame Reid for the mistake; yet, he still got a demerit? This situation was blown out of proportion because of the judge; and, the players, even Reid, were fine in their agreement without the judge.

Danny Solis that’s some shit. Shouldn’t be happen8ng

@@Daniel-cv3dn The judge should've made it very clear to both players that they have the right to an appeal in this situation. I'm fairly sure the head judge would've overruled the FtMGS. Reid did commit a (textbook) GRV and was issued the proper warning, but the IPG definition of FtMGS is "A player allows another player in the game to commit a Game Play Error and does not point it out immediately." As a judge myself, I believe it was much too quickly to issue a FtMGS to Matt as he hardly had the chance to read the spell before the judge stopped the game. However, one could argue that since he allowed the spell to be cast and begin resolving, he was complicit in allowing his opponent to commit a GRV. Long story short: I agree that the FtMGS should not have been issued, and that the GRV on Duke was absolutely appropriate.

*note just asking a question* So with the silent tombstone being Matt's card does that not put him at fault more so then reid ? I know they changed the rules so that it's suppose to be both players responsibility to maintain the game state so that would put both of them at fault no ?

​@@Captmorgann There are basically two separate infractions here. Reid committed a Games Rules Violation. At it's base, he made a choice that wasn't legal. We all agree (even Reid) that this is true. The judge issued Matt a Failure to Maintain Game State.This infraction is defined as "A player allows another player in the game to commit a Game Play Error and does not point it out immediately." To answer your question, it does not necessarily make either player more at fault, in fact both infractions have the same penalty: a warning. This warning usually amounts to little more than a note written on their match slip and an entry into the reporting system. To steal words from the MTG Annotated Infraction Procedure Guide, "The key point here is that both players are responsible for the game state. If the opponent is being observant, they can help catch a player’s error before the problem becomes more severe." Hope this answers your question!

WTF was he even getting a warning for? WTF?

He let a spell resolve?

@@KiddyCut Definition A player allows another player in the game to commit a Game Play Error and does not point it out immediately. Penalty Warning There are actually several things going on here. The first is that a player committing a Game Play Error can never earn Failure to Maintain Game State. The only person that can get Failure to Maintain Game State is the opponent. A player earns Failure to Maintain Game State when they do not catch an error made by the opponent. Also note that if a player points out the opponent’s error right away, they do not earn this infraction.

@@wolfganggangwolfe after 2 restless years i finally know the answer. Thank you, Wolfgang.

Matt did mention something immediately, though, literally before any other game action took place. You can even hear it in the audio. I don't see how giving him a Failure to Maintain Game State infraction is anything other than asinine.

That right dude is scary AF

Either player definitely could have. All players have the right to an appeal from a head judge.

WTF was he even getting a warning for? WTF?

@@KiddyCut failure to maintain a game state

@@nickfanzo what does that even mean?

@@tokyoghost7020 do you know the rules on an advanced level? It doesn’t seem so,

Reid is a stand up dude

he is a vampire

I believe it's called Keanu Reeves syndrome.

He fucked bitches and get riches, duh........

It's his beautiful hair

He attained the stone of Aja and with that became a perfect being

You must be a ugly girl Jeff!

Darin Hilbern nope... Little known fact over 80% of bald men miss there hair. since I'm a guy I guess I'd make an ugly girl.

Jajajajajajajjaj ur a fcking legend

Damn dude this is super gay!!!!!!! Good thing you said no homo first though!!!!

Nass should not have received a warning.

What are you talking about? If you accidentally run into someone while looking over your shoulder would you not say sorry or excuse me? Just because you didn't do wrong on purpose doesn't mean you didn't do wrong.

Why was baleful strix an illegal target the first time around? Thanks

@@coulombicdistortion1814 the artifact that Reid targeted says you can't target things in the graveyard. To even be put on the stack a card has to have legal targets.

Gotcha, I just couldn't see from the board state why it wasn't a viable target. Thanks

Time to learn

Learn?

Oh I guess they actually say that.

I watch these videos with Scryfall up in another tab

when you agree or allow a play your opponent has made that is a violation, you also get a penalty for agreeing to let that play happen, but only at the REL

Not true, seen a player correct a judge.

VitaKet true the very same day, judge tried issuing a grv on duke with his match up against uw miracles

How was the judge wrong?

Reid himself has corrected the judges miss call towards his creature

It is important to note that all players have the right to an appeal from a Head Judge. The judge who gave the ruling, upon seeing that Matt was a bit upset, should've alerted him to this option.

Look up the word epitome

Kinda the point of matts deck. Rieds deck is a favorite games 2 and 3

@@mjenkins91 a person or thing that is a perfect example of a particular quality or type. Here is some food internet troll

@@ImaginationHobbies meaning a literal example. There were no coins flipped were there dingus?

@@mjenkins91 a 50/50 chance is the same as a coin flip dingus

Not really. He got to see the whole deck and get info for sideboard, plus he could have messes up the combo.

Reid Duke tried to cast Kolaghan's Command targeting Baleful Strix in the graveyard and Silent Gravestone, however Reid can't target Strix because of Silent Gravestone's effect which prevents precisely that. Reid commited a game rule violation because he tried to do something not legal, clearly by his own mistake. Right after that Matt asked if that play was legal but before asking he puts his artifact in the grave for no reason, that's another violation called failure to maintain game state both players received a warning each for the whole situation, no big deal, both players are incredible magic players specially Reid Duke one of the pillars of this game among many others. Welcome to Magic.

To summarize, one made a mistake and the other realized it too late, so they both got a warning.

the silent gravestone made all cards in graveyard untargetable, so the spell couldnt be casted. Reid got a game rule violation, Matt a Failure to maintain game state ruling

@@planktonweed727 thank you

I think it is so he can always know what is his library and what is his hand so he could not mix it up and be forced to concede.

Prob dragonshield

The artifact in play, doesn't allow cards to be the target of spells in the graveyard

The commentators speculated that he might have been holding one in hand, waiting to draw a second so that he could cast one, have it get countered, and then play the second one after counters have been spent to ensure that it lands. They then add that he might have drawn the second on that draw step, since casting Surgical Extraction during your opponent's draw step can get you more value if they draw the card that you named. Another thought is that he was waiting to draw an Unburial Rites, which has to target, so he could get Griselbrand and use it to draw more cards.

after round 1*

Nope, it got unmasked

Jilax west dark ritual gives 3 black for 1 mana the lotus petals were free and so are the L. E. D.s providing 1 and 3 mana respectively

What? Matt Nass put his Gravestone in his Graveyard, Reid had put Strix in his hand, and had moved KCommand to his GY. The spell had resolved.

Please never play at Competitive REL event

Whether the spell was resolved or not, the judge did make an unjust call, given the fact that both players literally noticed the play at the same time and asked for a judge to step in.

Danny Solis Unjust? What nonsense are you going on about? Games have rules. The judge followed the rule book.

I am a judge and i ve ti say that this rule is right

Tin fins has kind of just fallen off the map in recent years. There hasn't been many upgrades for it aside from thassas oracle, but many very strong hate cards have been printed that make it difficult for combo decks to thrive.

A top-level pro like Reid is going to know that an all-in combo deck like Tin Fins is going to have a very good win percentage in game one, and then see its percentage drop post-sideboard. He didn't have an interactive hand and the opponent had a T1 kill - it happens. But then he got to bring in his excellent hate pieces - Surgical, Bridge, etc. - and has tons of ways to find them thanks to cantrips, and that carried him to victory. So I think he probably thought he didn't have much of a reason to be miffed, because he knew unless he had some unlucky draws he was going to have a much better chance in the next two games.

It's especially ridiculous when these judges are presiding over games of Legacy, where the card interactions and text can be very complex.

What exactly was wrong? Duke commented a Game Rule Violation by casting K-Command with illegal targets. Nass gets a Failure to Maintain because he allowed the game to progress past the point of the illegal action, by acknowledging Command has resolved by moving his card to the graveyard. Failure to Maintain doesn’t upgrade, it’s just a reminder to the player to be more careful.

I’m fairly certain that you need to be L2 before you can judge at a comp REL event.

@@Tacttactification You can be L1 and be at Comp REL. it’s just common to be a L1 Floor Judge for an L2+ Head.

@@Tacttactification the standard for levels is much lower than it used to be.

I don't know either! I though it was silent gravestone, but he did it again later and it was still out.

@@charleshayesvaughn I got it, I thought that it was a Relic of Progenitus, but that's a Silent Gravestone, "Cards in graveyards can't be target of spells". That's why Reid couldn't get back the card from grave, because of that effect.

@@fernandopereyra5433 he did it again later though.

@@charleshayesvaughn Reid didn't bring back his Baleful Strix but instead chose the discard mode along with the removal of the artifact.

No both players did.

Learn?

pros tend to play with those cards in mind, theyre pretty ubiquitous

Shallow grave would exile Griselbrand at the beginning of the next endstep, i.e. at the beginning of Reid's endstep. Matt wouldn't activate Griselbrand before his own cleanup step that turn.

@@Readceras even so, he wouldn’t be able to go off too well, not being able to cast creatures and he can’t crack leds for mana without losing his huge hand. It’s so much easier to go off on your turn to take the cards in waves and be able to play that creature to gain life back

@@bumpasaurus487 Sorry, I'm not sure that I understand your point. Matt would not be forced to go off during Reid's turn, as Matt does not have to discard to handsize during Reid's clean-up step. Had matt successfully resolved shallow grave in his endstep, he would most likely draw fourteen cards with Griselbrand with the shallow grave exile trigger on the stack, untap, thoughtseize/unmask/cabal therapy to clear the way, then try to put vampire hexmage and another creature into play, so that he's less vulnerable to an edict. Alternatively, he can entomb + exhume another Griselbrand into play, ideally with another fodder in play against an edict as well. Note that with mutiple rituals in hand, Matt's definitely well set up black-mana-wise. Keeping a living wish in hand for a rec sage would also help Matt beat a bridge. The downside of doing so is that Children of Korlis no longer functions. I would argue that this downside is not big enough for him not to go for it. Letting Reid resolve a brainstorm and untap would turn on Reid's flusterstorm, give Reid more opportunities to find a FoW, and let Reid disrupt Matt's hand. Perhaps you'd still be inclined not to go for it, but saying that there's no reason for Matt to ever make that play, is imo absurd.

@@Readceras not just children not working, also leds won’t work for mana as effectively. Cause it works when u draw 7, play it and sac it, then use that mana to play some of the next 7 cards u draw. Also, his gris will be gone which he will need to find, get it in yard and get back again to keep going off. My point is that even tho 14 cards seems helpful, it really isn’t cause u can’t finish going off. Even if u clear the way with hand discard, get a 2nd Gris, and reanimate it, how do you draw more cards at that point? I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have animated it even if he had it in hand, cause it would be very hard to win from that point on. It’s much better to hold it and try during your turn at some point.

@@Readceras I was mistaken about discarding, you’re right. But I still think it’s not a consideration at that point based on the flow of the game. There would be no reason to go for it like that. It would be much harder to win from that point than just dealing with a counter or two. He could wait till he draws discard or gets him to tap out.

What did the judge do wrong in your opinion?

In order to put a spell on the stack in the first place it must have legal targets (for example, you can't simply decide to cast a counterspell with no spells to counter). If after that something happens to those targets (either they no longer exist or are no longer legal targets) then the spell fizzles when it goes to resolve.

Likewise, I have cast a card in a similar way and was like oops, called a judge and the judge simply told me I can't cast the card so return it to my hand, after it had been revealed. At the very least, Matt getting a warning for that should not have happened.

@@MattPlaysRs Judge here, the judge in question just followed the Infraction Procedure Guide, a document that tells us judges exactly what to do with common errors during gameplay at competitive tournaments. Matt received a warning for failure to maintain game state (section 2.6 of the IPG) and Reid received a warning for a game rules violation (section 2.5 of the IPG). At this level of play, holding up the integrity of rulings is extremely important, either everyone gets a warning for failure to maintain game state or noone, there's no cherry picking. But as the judge said, those warnings cannot be upgraded (as in, when you commit them several times they can not be upgraded to a game loss), so it was just a warning to be official.

@@Rillant it would seem the issue isn’t the judge, but the procedure guide.

it was for playing atarkas command without legal targets, (the gravestone prevented targeting stryx in gy) and the violation was for to my understanding some dumb shit about opponent not calling out the fact the targets were illegal the moment it happened?

Kolaghan's Command was casted and he used the first mode and third mode, which was 'Return target creature card from your graveyard to your hand' and 'Destroy target artifact'. Silent tombstone, which was the artifact, has a static ability where cards in graveyards cannot be targeted. So when Reid casted the Command, it was a game rule violation to take the Baleful Strix back because it was a illegal target

@@Juggernuts it was stupid because reid explained that nass leaned in to look and they both didnt let the spell resolve. Soo nass shouldnt have gotten a failure to maintain game state since they didnt let the spell resolve. Dumb pedo judges.

in magic the gathering if you dont call out opponent error you are violating a rule of calling out opponent error. its simple the moment you get inside a event with DCI number you are a pro player and other pro player and judge expect the same from everyone so if you dont understand basic rule going into a tournament is legit dangerous for new player.

@@michaelsimoneau8364 you watched it didnt you? There was almost no time in between reid casting k command and them realizing it wasnt a legal move for him to even call it out. He did mess up by putting the gravestone in the graveyard before pointing out that cards cant be targeted in graveyards lol. Wooops

Reid got a Game Rule Violation because he cast the spell illegally. Matt got a Failure to Maintain Boardstate because he allowed Reid to cast the spell illegally and he wasn’t the one who called the judge on the illegal action.

@@ZakanaHachihaCBC but he didn't allow him to cast it, he caught the mistake right after he cast it, how the hell is he able to say, no you can't play that, before he even cast it?

@@ethanicuscopernicus6758 The mistake was caught after they resolved the spell. This is comfirmed by both players as Matt moved his Gravestone from the battlefield to the graveyard and Duke his Strix from the graveyard to his hand. Because Matt allowed the spell to be cast, and resolve, with illegal targets and didn’t call the judge on the error, he gets a Failure to Maintain warning.

@@ZakanaHachihaCBC in addition they could have just had him choose a different mode with Kargaths Command, since there's like 4 modes, why did they put it back in his hand? some amateur players/judge right here.

@@ethanicuscopernicus6758 The infraction was thé illegal casting of the K-Command, so the game was backed up to the point just before the infraction occurred. This is how it’s is outlined in the IPG.

Su0T iN clearly you don't understand how microphones work

Well, if you do, try and get hired by wizards for these events, because they clearly need someone with your expertise.

Su0T iN Yep, I got a degree in audio engineering, both players would need decent lav mikes but that would stop you from being able to hear the judge. CFB tried to hire me to work the GPs but I declined as I can't be in the same building as Rich Hagen because it would result in me going to prison for murdering the annoying overly opinionated fat fuck.

Depends on a ton of things. The decks, the players, the knowledge of understanding sequencing, and the experience on how to deal with certain interactions in the game and of course if anyone misplace and if it gets caught.

Im xFate Reid targeted baleful strix that was in the graveyard while silent gravestone was still in play

@@KyuseiFFXIVdidn't see the stone also cheers 2month old comment

It’s more likely to be a game loss if you only do two.

@@Tacttactification Ah okay that makes sense I guess, is it difficult to get a DQ? Like it couldn’t reasonably happen from honest mistakes?

Things like tin fins are real hard to play to it's full potential. Even more so in a field filled with free counter magic. I get it looks easy. But playing the deck out is hard In general, dedicated combo decks like this are substantially harder to play than any control deck.

Transform doesn’t make the creature leave play. You’re thinking of the Magic Origins planeswalkers, which it also doesn’t work on.

It's been an absolute riot reading these seething remarks about the way some dude talks.

except for Reid, of course...gotta ignore those extracurriculars

I️ agree Reid should get the warning though that isn’t what I️m saying

I think everyone deserves a warning I dont think he did it on purpose.

You understand competitive play has rules that the judges follow right? This isn't a matter of your opinion

Marc Cernele is that directed at me? Because if so, yes, I️m fully aware of the fact that there are rules and regulations which the judges are required to Follow when making decisions. The fact of the matter is Matt Nass had not failed in maintaining the state of the game as the mistake was caught immediately and literally no time had elotted with respect to the game due to the spell still being on the stack. Therefore the ruling should be that Reid receive a warning and that’s it

Yes it's directed at you. The spell had fully resolved and it wasn't Matt that caught the error. The judges applied the rules correctly here in giving Matt a warning. Sorry, but "the fact of the matter" is, you're wrong.