Mesa Falcon Guy: I forgot to record my video. Rarran: No problem. I'll just use an image that makes you look constipated.

Cimo: managed to pull the exact use case for the card out of thin air, even down to the amount of health a minion would get Also cimo: this is probably not banworthy The protagonist powers are still as strong as ever, just a little bit confused

Very funny for Rarran to stick to the “you wouldn’t think Crimson Clergy would be banned” framing when both people he was talking to clearly did think it was ban worthy and accurately predicted as much. What a start 😂

The editing to make it so Rarran is explaining why a card was or was not banned to both players despite having met with them separately is really well done.

Cimooooo nailing the switcheroo combo down to the amount of stats is crazy to see

Bro Cvb is so cursed

Damn i never noticed Mesa Falcon guy had such a *powerful* chin

for a bit of context missing for Switcharoo, it swapped STATS originally, so the health part wasn't relevant, furthermore it really was a low counterplay deck that could kill on 4 if it didn't draw the 2 dead cards.

You can just really see how many unhinged FTK strats Yugioh has when Cimo can reason out the exact uses for how a card enables a broken OTK and still says "Nah it's still not strong enough it's not banned."

23:06 I think the important thing to remember about mana reduction in HS as opposed to MTG is that cards can very easily go to 0 mana. In MTG you still usually have to spend at least 1 colored mana to cast spells with cost reduction, in HS you can stack these effects and just dump your hand for free.

The thing is. The quest card is ALWAYS in your opening hand. Both MTG and YuGiOh players didnt know this. Then its undestandable

Kinda missed out on mentioning how Soul Stealer basically lead to a rule change where "Costs health instead of mana" didn't count as dealing damage anymore so you would actually lose health even with demon seed or immune effects, and it wouldn't count for completing the quest either.

You can tell Cimo is a gamer who would be good at whatever card game he played, he can just instantly tell how to break everything

Strong Mesa Falcon Guy influence. You love to see it.

The problem with Clergy was that Wild has like 20 cards that heal for 0 or 1 mana. Funnel Cake just pushed it over the top so you could go off as early as turn 2-3

Rarran hatred for Dh made him think that Kurtrus was the reason why Tony was banned. IT WAS DRUID AND WARLOCK FAULT RARRAN, dh is ass in wild (Mill druid was tier 1 close to tier 0, warlock was just very annoying) Another corretion. Tome tampering was good in discard warlock but what made the deck broken was cataclysm. Tome tampering was broken in mecha'thun warlock

We for real need cimooooooo back on. His ability to analyze cards is crazy.

Even with "once per turn", a Yu Gi Oh Turn lasts 15 minutes at least, and a match lasts an average of 2 turns.

Stealer of Souls was so fun. It got banned, nerfed, and caused a change to an existing mechanic!

The fact tome tampering could've litterally been 3 mana "discard your hand' and it'd still be good is really funny

Missed opportunity to mention that even after nerfing the Demon Seed a million times it's STILL top tier in Wild TODAY.

Crazy thing with Switcheroo is that wasn't the original version. Originally, it just swapped their stats so you didn't even need the Inner Fire.

Loved the cutting back and forth when reading the demon seed. Great touch!

11:50 "if you have one thing with like 20 health" Rarran: 😰🤯💥

Hearthstone is such a tough game to judge banned cards on. because it's just so reliant on "what 2-4 other cards specifically combo with this" instead of the strength of that one card. They're all puzzle pieces in a larger combo.

i will be disappointed if cgb's image doesn't change to a mesa falcon at some point

CGB got that Max Payne 1 smug

it is insulting that rarran didnt flex with his signature Tony instead of the regular card.

I didn't notice before that CGB could chop wood with his chin

Goated idea, hear me out: Rarran is on two instances of discord and asking two guests to do some ratings at the exact same time and rarran's objective is for them to somehow not notice, did i cook?

Chad covert blue isnt real he can't hurt you Chad covert blue:

"wild is much faster than any other games wild like format" - cimo, a guy who plays Yu-Gi-Oh, which is effectively in wild format permanently and is the fastest card game of all.

Cimooooo is actually just the protagonist IRL. Even outside of his channel he still pulls the exact scenario Switcheroo is broken out of thin air.

There is a cap of 30 on all of Hearthstone's potentially infinite loops. Even without Dreadsteed, defile can activate 30 times with Grim Patron. Edit: It seems I was mistaken, the amount of times an infinite loop card can trigger depends on the card.

These are by FAR the best type of videos Rarran puts out

Static CvB is my sleep paralysis demon

So glad to see good yugioh content creators on here. We need more Cimo and Farfa in here

I haven't played this year, but I was Legend every month last year in Wild. Demon Seed, at 10 per questline part, was still winning games by turn 5.

CGB's image should have just been a mesa falcon. 😂

21:32 “they were smart enough to ban it preemptively”. Ah yes, definitely this and not people spamming twitter/reddit with the combo

Test Subject brought back strong memories. Watching dogdog play the Test Subject deck in Standard was some of the absolute most fun I've ever had watching people play an HS deck. The APM was nuts.

"I don't know if there's any cards currently on the wild banned list" Crimson Clergy is still banned.

I still vividly remember a Tavern Brawl years ago where they gave everyone an un-nerfed Dreadsteed. I did cast Defile on it a few times, and I do think the animations were capped.

I love how with Test Subject, one response was "I'm gonna lock in it's not banned, though I think it was", and the other response was "I'm gonna lock in it's banned, though I think it wasn't".

There is a defile cap, 14, and it was still possible to hit it in the same "infinite" way as dreadsteed, just using Grim patron instead. Dreadsteed was "nerfed" to fix an issue that never existed, because it wouldn't have seen play anyway, and even if it did, Defile's cap prevented it from being an issue in the first place.

My favorite part of these videos is watching rarran try his best to react nonverbally to not give anything away 😂

This really should've been either "banned or nerfed," or show them the most powerful version of the card. Or shown another card for context to why it (might be) powerful when first showing off the card instead of after they have decided.

Yugioh player: Draw a card? that's a banning. Magic player: Restore mana? that's a banning.

I feel like showing them pre-nerf cards kind of defeats the whole purpose of the banned/not banned premise. This is a very Hearthstone/digital exclusive thing. If the card needed to be changed to fit into the power level of the format, that kind of change would probably translate to a ban in a physical game.

Hey, where did the expansion series video go? I was still watching that😅

Worth noting is Stealer of Souls ALSO caused a mechanic change to health costs not being able to go through Immune.

Yugioh player: Drawing cards is banned! MTG player: Cool, more cards for me to draw!

As a 15 year magic player who stopped playing hearthstone in 2016-17 this was a treat.

Cimo says Dreadsteed is "whatever" when there's treeborn frog and cannon soldier as if they didn't see play. It's definitely bad now though

Whenever I see Gadgetzan Auctioner, the memories from 10 years of Hearthstone start coming back with a Guy playing Saxophone in the background 😭💀

I love the way Raran describes everything, ive played a little hearthstone but came here from his yugioh attempts. Entertaining bloke! Keep it up

Every "Is it banned?" list is always the same thing, where the card is never ban worthy on it's own, and instead they have to reveal that some garbage card oopsied a broken combo into existence. It's like asking which imitation sword can kill someone before revealing that half the swords actually hide a gun on the hilt.

"Damage, mana cheating, and draw" - blank stare -

I think Bolf Ramshield would be an interesting card to watch non-HS players try to evaluate like this

Came to watch and upvote even though I was scammed on the druid reveals during stream, great video Rar

Rarran forgot to mention that Switcheroo was first altered, THEN banned. Originally Switcheroo used to say "Draw two minions, swap their stats" where you wouldn't even need Inner Fire. And because of wild, Blizzard then changed it to "Swap their health". But because the card was still fundamentally too OP because of Inner Fire, they had to ban Switcheroo outright Rarran Hearthstone, you DO NOT "know Hearthstone"

Man, I haven't seen Dreadsteed in years. Great throwback, good memories.

Rarran here using the most cursed frame possible for the mesa falcon guy

As someone who's been on the receiving end of a Gadgetzan Auctioneer Turbo turn, I can say with certainty that the knee-jerk reaction to ban it is understandable.

The primary issue of “design for the person playing the card” lies in the fact that if nobody is willing to be your opponent BECAUSE of what you’re playing, you don’t get to play your card. This is a way that games lose customers.

dreadseed was a terrible card to give here since it was changed for wild it's a card that punishes them for guessing what would be a problem in wild correctly also tony wasn't banned because of demon hunter it was banned because of tony druid which would draw its deck play tony and kill you with naturalizes

I remember when stealer of souls was banned in wild before the release of the demon seed and how broken it was when you played it on 4 and slapped mal'ganis on the same turn to make yourself immune and go through your entire deck :') It was fun when you were the one doing the combo, but it was not fun when you were on the receiving end lmao

13:48 it was consistent for a couple of reasons. The first was minimal, but sphere of sapience allowed to to put 4 cards on the bottom of your deck to stop you from draw the combo minions. Priest also has illuminate, shadow essence and thrive in the shadows to find and even discount switcheroo. It was as if you had 8 copies of switcheroo in your deck. It also had a couple ways to double the charging boar, divine spirit and vivid nightmare

I don't like the way this video was set up. Showing pre-nerf versions of cards and essentially asking if they were too good for wild seems super disingenuous. The difference between a card being nerfed or banned for wild is just what blizzard felt like at the time.

Defile has actually always had a limit of 14 iterations, I've tested that when the card released using Grim Patron

What rarran forgot to mention about switcheroo is that priest as 4 cards that discorver spells in the deck and they both costs 2. and silences for taunts

Mesa Falcon Guy is looking in to my soul

When he started talking about more animations than could fit in a turn, I started having Yogg-Saron Hope's End flashbacks

As a wild only player I for one welcome the speed and craziness. It is fun to see what combos you can get without everyone doing the same meta deck, except shaman that is always a wobberjack deck or a totem deck and there is no inbetween.

The problem with MechWarper: Imagine if Ruby Spellstone reduced the cost of Red spells by One Red Mana instead of One Colorless Mana. Suddenly, Lightning bolt is free. Vandalblast and Ravagan are free. Dockside is one colorless, or if you have two, its free. Now imagine Ruby spellstone came with a 2/3 body too.

"You might be asking too much from my brain" - coming from a Magic player is wild.

You can play, Ban, Nerffed, or fine. Maybe a good way to pivot? This was fun!

At 11:14, i do wanna correct the statement that physical tcgs cant random draw a minion/creature/monster. I know from mtg you can have effects that could say "exile cards from the top of your library until you exile 2 creatures. Add those to your hand and shuffle the rest into your library"

Oh, I love this type of content, thanks Raran ;3

CG doing the math on tome tampering, while Cimoo doing the meta side of this is CRAZY to see the difference

Switcheroo on release was switch stats not only health that's why it was broken with the boar

This feels like a video that should have both of them in it at the same time and maybe have a point scoring competition

Man we are just going through Roffle's PTSD list, ain't we? 🤣

Showing stealer of souls and not violet illusionist and plot twist didnt give it justice. That couple of weeks where that combo was playable was criminal

Two things, the fact that Rarran is now able to accurately point out that the existence of handtraps is what makes switcheroo not threatening from a YGO player's perspective is remarkable, getting to know the game has definitely enriched his interactions with YGO player-guests upped the quality of the content and the fact that Cimo was able to pretty much deduce the use case of that card from what little context he was provided with is flat out spooky.

CGB probably thinking those star shaped funnel cakes are real funnel cakes when they're just fried waffles and I'll die on this hill.

was poppin big R

I love how both guys saw the first card, went "so a low cost creature with a fairly straightforward and simple effect that can draw you a card with no limitations on how many times you can do it ? This 110% has been abused in some degenerate combo". I think it's the type of thing where most TCG players can see that this is the type of card that is at high risk of being used in some degen combo in the future

Switcheroo actually used to say "Swap their stats" not just health, and that's the version of it that got banned (and at the same time changed to just health)

One more note on Stealer of Souls is that soon after a rules change was made that "paid health" is not the same as damage.

To state what made switcheroo consistent. Inner fire has redundancies in bless and topsy turvy, and switcheroo has redundancy in the amount of cards that fetch and tutor spells.

it's crazy that cards are banned in hearthstone now. I used to only play wild and your opponent having a broken turn 3/4/5 sometimes was just part of the experience

Dreadstead Cimo: in yugioh this card wouldn't be good The card's effect carried over to yugioh: when I would leave the field, special summon me Me: excuse me, but that's the easiest non once per turn +1 in yugioh. That card would be insta banned in yugioh

Demon hunter QL was definitely not why tony got banned in wild, it was druid. Tony druid could skim through their entire deck with dew process and then auctioneer on the combo turn, then play tony and several copies of naturalize to otk you with fatigue (the mana works out in large part because of funnel cake). This combo came down turn 4-5 consistently, and the only counterplay was getting lucky with disruption or praying for a misplay.

I feel like asking if a prenerfed card was banned and then saying No because it got nerfed instead is just not in spirit of what these are. Obviously the scores dont matter but its still like why are we rating cards that werent the actual cards that were allowed to exist or be banned in the format.

10:52 This isn't the banned version of Switcheroo.

It's interesting because for dreadsteed, there's a similar interaction with defile you can set up with grim patron. It's a lot more set up, but there was already an internally coded hard limit of I think 14 repetitions.

I guess it wasn't necessarily an issue in wild, but you didn't talk about Aviana>Kun>C'thun>Brewmaster. That shit was devious.

covert looks like he started a fitness channel over the weekend. bro's jawline is diabolical

10:50 switcheroo is also a magic card. It swaps control of two creatures for 5 mana. It’s also really gimmicky. Also, if Dreadsteed was printed into magic with the first wording, it would be a combo piece for any number of free sacrifice outlets.