Mahle OC54 Oil Filter vs. MANN W90/29 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison

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@advrider9143
@advrider9143 Ай бұрын
Great video, thanks. I wonder what the total area is for the base holes, Mahle vs Mann. Which one can flow more oil?
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
You're Welcome! Figuring out the base inlet holes area is beyond my math expertise.
@advrider9143
@advrider9143 Ай бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher Not sure if you can measure the oil holes but if you post the dimensions, I will do the math and post back here the results. The Mahle should be simple, just the diameter of the holes. For the Mann I need the width and length of the slots.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
@@advrider9143 Sure, the Mahle oil filter inlet holes are Approx. .25" and the Mann oil filter inlet holes are Approx. .26" x .32"
@advrider9143
@advrider9143 Ай бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher Correction. I made a simple math error. The correct oil flow areas are as follows: Mahle 0.3927 square inches. Mann 0.3036 square inches.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
@@advrider9143 Thanks! You should delete the post with the wrong numbers.
@rainerzirngibl5847
@rainerzirngibl5847 Ай бұрын
Hy guys im from Germany and live near to MANN factory. i work in a Facility for people with disabilities, please by MANN products they giv people with disabilities work! She made good products to fair priceses and all made in Germany! So please Supports people with disabilies and by MANN products. Thank you!
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper Ай бұрын
Most Ttuck and Taxi services in Germany use MAN filters they are good!
@fn1633
@fn1633 Ай бұрын
That is so sweet ! Thank you for sharing :)
@merylpelosi8485
@merylpelosi8485 Ай бұрын
Mann filters are a big reason why my 1986 Mercedes Benz 560 SEL has lasted over 38 trouble free years.
@escariol
@escariol Ай бұрын
BLABLABLA, facilities like that are also around Stuttgart and they build proucts for Mahle as well, my brother works in one of those.
@escariol
@escariol Ай бұрын
@@merylpelosi8485 While the first filters which were build in in the factory have been Mahle filters, lmao. Like the Pistons in your car and 50% of all cars on this planet! But it's ok to think the Mann filters are the reason the Mahle products inside your engine are not breaking. Mercedes, Porsche and Mahle are located in Stuttgart, like Behr, the company which build the radiator of your car and parts of the ac. Behr is mostly owned by Mahle for almost 15 years now. So there are even more Mahle products in never Mercedes' and Porsche's and BMW's and Audi's and VW's, also in some French cars, a lot of Japanese brands and so on.
@vobchopper
@vobchopper Ай бұрын
All this is meaningless, you need to find out the filtering capabilities of each one, that is how much crap each filter removes
@bilbobaggins3389
@bilbobaggins3389 Ай бұрын
100 % CORRECT.
@user-uv8nk2fn4u
@user-uv8nk2fn4u 28 күн бұрын
Amen.
@davidwickboldt712
@davidwickboldt712 26 күн бұрын
It does show two well made products. At least you know it's not cardboard and glue filter.
@NorthWalesAutomotive
@NorthWalesAutomotive 19 күн бұрын
​@@davidwickboldt712honestly don't care what it's made of, with or like. Does it work well? Does it last? 👍
@Peter_Riis_DK
@Peter_Riis_DK 16 күн бұрын
Yeah, he's wasting ten minutes of the viewers time.
@steview9899
@steview9899 Ай бұрын
MAHLE is a GERMAN company who have factories all over , including here in the UK , i worked in a Mahle factory in Scotland for 20 years which as well as all the usual Genuine and also patern parts we produced for almost every major manufacturer, hundreds of thousands of them weekly , we also had and still have a dedicated Racing section where 1 off parts for Formula 1 cars are produced. If you look on the front of the Ferrari F1 car it's got the MAHLE logo.
@Anson_AKB
@Anson_AKB Ай бұрын
if you look closely at the packaging of the Mann filter, the bottom line shows an icon (maybe for "compatibility?) and "Mahle OC 54" !!!
@rpgspyware9560
@rpgspyware9560 Ай бұрын
​@@Anson_AKB That's a thing MANN FILTER does sometimes: they write on the package the equivalent filters from other manufacturers.
@skylinefever
@skylinefever 29 күн бұрын
Many filters have cross references to other brands. It is especially common on filters sold in bulk to auto repair shops.
@leonardo5225
@leonardo5225 24 күн бұрын
Ferrari F1 uses Mahle pistons
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 24 күн бұрын
In 1984 when Harley Davidson introduced the Evo engine one of the improvements in it over previous engine's were it's low expansion pistons, they were made by Mahle for HD.
@penskib1975
@penskib1975 Ай бұрын
They are both quality filters.I would be happy with both.
@TheBamster00
@TheBamster00 Ай бұрын
MAHLE makes great products, I used their bearings and gaskets on my engine rebuild.
@tiberiusclaudiusnerogermanicis
@tiberiusclaudiusnerogermanicis 27 күн бұрын
Most of your engine original parts probabky where mahle. I know all the PSA engines were all mahler parts.. pistons, rings, bearings etc etc etc
@jonnyb4336
@jonnyb4336 Ай бұрын
In the case of the Mahle filter, this is a clear testament to European standards and QA/QC overseeing Chinese production. As a global sourcing professional, I can tell you this - not everything made in China (or Thailand or Czeck Republic) is crap inferior quality. I’d be just as happy with the Mahle filter as the Mann.
@johngibson3837
@johngibson3837 Ай бұрын
Totally agree mate good stuff is available for china but a lot people just want cheap so they make more selling on
@gerhard6105
@gerhard6105 Ай бұрын
I also agree and mostly it is just made in China or so but by the German standard/ design. Than they better put designed in Germany, Switzerland and so on the item. Czechoslovakia made very good tools, machines and cars before ww2. I still think that German, our own Dutch and American tools and machines have the best quality.
@johngibson3837
@johngibson3837 Ай бұрын
@@gerhard6105 I bought some cordless stuff couple of years back, the firm that sells them is in my city but they get them made in china which is different to just buying in china to then sell on, there man goes out 3 or4 times a year and the quality is great
@gerhard6105
@gerhard6105 Ай бұрын
@@johngibson3837 yes, exactly.
@gs188
@gs188 Ай бұрын
It looks like the MANN has been cost engineered a bit more, possibly to keep it competitive price wise whilst retaining expensive German manufacturing/labour. The Mahle on the other hand is built with cheaper labour but perhaps to what would be a more costly design. The really important bit though is whether the designs meet/exceed the required performance for their intended service life and I think the answer is yes for both brands.
@markdavies9765
@markdavies9765 Ай бұрын
have used MANN filters for nearly 40 years, never had an issue
@robertolaggo9141
@robertolaggo9141 Ай бұрын
Have used random manufacturer filters for more than 20 years, never had an issue too.
@tugrulbey3095
@tugrulbey3095 Ай бұрын
@@robertolaggo9141same here
@markbrock4427
@markbrock4427 Ай бұрын
I like the Mann filters and had been using them in my Suzuki Grand Vitara. Where the filter is located you really need to use a cup socket for removal. Unfortunately the flats at the end of the Mann filters seem to differ from the likes of Bosch, Fram and Blueprint and genuine Suzuki filters and the cup socket slips on the flats where as it's a good fit on the other makes. It makes removal a bit of a pain due to the filter location. I have tried three different cup sockets and none fit the Mann filter properly.
@sinediss
@sinediss 29 күн бұрын
i only use Mann for my car too :)
@Keless
@Keless 25 күн бұрын
Good Luck having an issue with a filter tho 😂😂😂
@mikethespike7579
@mikethespike7579 Ай бұрын
I've used both brands and can't fault either of them. Perfectly good filters. I'm usually a bit suspicious of Made in China parts, but Mahle is a German company that manufactures in China and clearly has strict quality control in place for its products.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing👍
@Tsripper69
@Tsripper69 Ай бұрын
But you can not say wich one is better without a particle scan of the oil ;)
@mikethespike7579
@mikethespike7579 Ай бұрын
@@Tsripper69 Oil filter efficiency is overrated. Some of my first cars didn't even have one and did alright.
@Rimrock300
@Rimrock300 Ай бұрын
I would say, pick any well known brand filter, and oil. Much more critically is change often, whatever brand, like once a year or every 6000 miles/10.000 km no matter the instructuons says you can go x2 - x3 the distance.
@mikethespike7579
@mikethespike7579 Ай бұрын
@@Rimrock300 This is my angle on oil changes after 40 years of driving: Change your oil only according to mileage. Every year is BS and a waste of good oil and money. If the manufacturer specifies 10 000 Ks, you can stretch that to 15 or eve 20 000. Sure, that might mean slightly more engine wear, but do you really want to one day bring your car to the scrap yard with a still perfectly good engine? Let your engine get old and worn at the same pace as the rest of your car.
@user-ri7ib9xf4k
@user-ri7ib9xf4k Ай бұрын
Fascinating. Replaced lots of these but no idea how they are constructed, Thanks to whoever made this video.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
You're Welcome👍
@DjNikGnashers
@DjNikGnashers Ай бұрын
People see 'made in China' and immediately assume it will be poor quality. Others like myself, who have worked in the motor trade, in parts departments, know there are many different levels of quality of production, even in China. Yes there is some utter shyte, but there is also some very good quality Chinese stuff too. There is an argument for not buying Chinese because of the political reasons of the CCP, but that doesn't have any bearing on the quality of the product. Many quality brands of car manufacturer, have lots of their OE spec parts, (yes even on German cars), made in china.
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 24 күн бұрын
It's not where it's made, it's whose quality standards it's made to. I explain to people all the time that there's a big difference between "Bob's oil filters" that are made in China and Mahle filters that are made in China. In the case of Bob's oil filters some guy named Bob who wanted to start an oil filter company went to China and sought out an oil filter manufacturer and made a contract with them to make his filters, which are essentially what they already produce, but print Bob's name and company logo on them and package them in a box printed with Bob's name and logo. In the case of Mahle it was Mahle themselves that built the plant in China full of their spec production equipment along with everything being made to their standards, so essentially the filters are identical to the one's made in Germany. Any large corporation whose products in the past 30 years started showing up with made in China written on the box are all essentially selling you the same exact product they were when their plant was located in Germany or the US or wherever it is they oriented from, they simply moved their plant to China along with enough management to oversee production to make sure the standards are held to the same level as before. All that said I still try buying products made in countries that have free societies, I try my very best not to support communist systems.
@DjNikGnashers
@DjNikGnashers 24 күн бұрын
@@dukecraig2402 Yep, expanded on my comment perfectly, I'm 100% in agreement.
@narancs5
@narancs5 Ай бұрын
This was a positive surprise because of how thorough you are with your inspection. I learned a lot about the filters during the video. Thank you for that!
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful, Thanks👍
@holger_7916
@holger_7916 Ай бұрын
These are both German companies. MANN is a native filter manufacturer. MAHLE is a general automotive parts manufacturer. MANN builds by far the best filters and is the development partner of most German car manufacturers.
@steffenwei9926
@steffenwei9926 Ай бұрын
This
@dirkfolscher3001
@dirkfolscher3001 Ай бұрын
In this instance the MANN doesn't come close to the MAHLE, and you can litterally see it.
@holger_7916
@holger_7916 Ай бұрын
@@dirkfolscher3001 Hardly. This is not a test, but a series of personal and subjective preferences. MANN is the manufacturer of OEM Porsche oil filters. These oil filters are manufactured precisely according to Porsche specifications and with MANN development experience. All components of the oil circuit are matched to each other. In the case of oil filters, it is not about which oil filter has the most pleats, the thickest filter paper or the finest pores. It is about whether the filter mass remains dimensionally stable, whether the flow rate meets the OEM's specifications or whether the pressure gradient between the inlet and outlet is correct ... for example.
@Incountry
@Incountry Ай бұрын
Mähle isn’t generic as someone posted (general automotive parts manufacture) they actually supply OE Daimler Benz, ZF as well as many others for OE fitment , they’re suppliers to Audi with OE BEHR coolers… General..? Not really, manufacturer of OEM ? pretty much…
@foxmoulder2430
@foxmoulder2430 Ай бұрын
Mahle ist Top! 25 Jahre Erfahrung mit Mahle! Preis Leistung Überragend.
@UssGo
@UssGo Ай бұрын
Both are actually good products. Used them both.
@Rich77UK
@Rich77UK Ай бұрын
I'm a Brit that's lived in beautiful Germany for 11 years. The auto factors here have great ranges but my go to for many years, even in the UK has been Mann filters. Never a bad product so far.
@sc29607
@sc29607 Ай бұрын
I used all the time MANN products on my Volvo D5 till two years ago, I needed quick and oil filter but couldn’t get one so I used a Mahle and I have to say, the engine runs a wee bit smoother. Didn’t expect that outcome but I can even notice a more balanced oil pressure with the Mahle.
@steveblanchard7293
@steveblanchard7293 26 күн бұрын
Running a Mann interior Air filter, works a hell of a lot better than the Hyundai OE.
@ToyotatechDK
@ToyotatechDK Ай бұрын
Worked a lot with both brands at a previous dealership. Haven’t had any recalls or issues with any of the two brands ever and the quality is what other brands are aiming at. My work was to make filter catalogues for off road and heavy on road equipment.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thanks for Sharing👍
@SpiritintheSky.
@SpiritintheSky. Ай бұрын
This proved more interesting than I would have expected. Well done.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You👍
@maxamillion1448
@maxamillion1448 8 сағат бұрын
I have worked in a Mahle filter factory located in Austria as an electrician for 5 years, maintaining and repairing the machines that made filters like this. And the Factory produced both Mahle and Mann filters, which is interesting
@robi4387
@robi4387 Ай бұрын
I use Mahle in all my cars Mahle OX339/2D, Mahle OC49, Mahle OX152/1D, Mahle OX254 and Mahle OX636D. Right now I have the first and last of those on order along with some 4L Castrol 5w-30 and 10L of 10w-40. I/m not about to cut up new or old ones so thanks for the show. Cans are more sturdy than inserts, but the inserts on the v8, the OX152/1D, never gave me any problems on removal.
@stevehill4615
@stevehill4615 Ай бұрын
I used to work in a filter factory and personally would choose the Mann filter for the reasons of it's likely the Mann filters are probably the oem chosen when the motor was developed (so matched to the specifications Porsche required), next in the views of the centre pierced tube the Mann has steel plate rolled into a tube and spot welded whereas the Mahle looked like it was a pierced spiral strip coiled and continuous (roller) welded, so my question is how rigid is this tube,,getting to the filter media, although the filtering is finer what is the flow rate loss between each side of the filtration media especially in a high stress/loading situation, finally the assembly spring (the one in the bottom) the one on the Mahle looks a nice spring but the Mann's diaphragm spring plate by it's form looks to more positively centrally locate the filter in the filter "can" preventing the filter from "offsetting" to the side, I have other reasons I'd choose the Mann but these are the main ones.
@gordonprentice7090
@gordonprentice7090 Ай бұрын
Mahle is a premium German brand they might got the filters made in China but it'll still be to the standard they expect.
@michaelmanke8656
@michaelmanke8656 Ай бұрын
Great! Thank you so much for that!
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
You're Welcome, Thanks👍
@darylmorse
@darylmorse Ай бұрын
I like that the Mahle filter had a gasket at the top inside to prevent leakage past the filter element.
@zatmanh2
@zatmanh2 Ай бұрын
Nice video a de very good job. Of course , 2 more tests ( not easy to do ) should be done: 1 - differential pressure between inlet and outlet with the same oil, quality , flow and pressure . 2 - opening pressure of the release valve ( very important with dirty filter and cold conditions). Regards
@missysass1806
@missysass1806 Ай бұрын
👍 great sharing
@yhird
@yhird Ай бұрын
Great review. Excellent. Thank you for sharing. Cheers.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You, Cheers👍
@jamescaron6465
@jamescaron6465 Ай бұрын
thanks Pete, and thanks to Anonymous for sharing. Both filters look to be very well made. The bypass valves are tight because those old 911's had really strong oil pumps. They held between 10-17 quarts of oil (depending in the year/model) and that pump had to push all that oil to the front of the engine to the oil cooler (Basically the oil did a job cooling the motor) The 4 inlet holes in the Mann is wild but they might not need more due to the oil pump and the pressure it creates. I would use the Mahle and change the oil every 5K on the dot but I think the Mann is acceptable due to the volume of oil those motors hold. I still like filtration quality as the #1 factor.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
You're Welcome Jim, Thanks for Sharing👍
@jamescaron6465
@jamescaron6465 Ай бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher anytime, Pete!
@bmepdoc9675
@bmepdoc9675 Ай бұрын
dry sump system
@Miguel-cy1gh
@Miguel-cy1gh Ай бұрын
Totalmente de acuerdo, y eso que siempre me ha gustado MAN pero la prueba que has hecho es evidente. Muchas gracias por tu aportación
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You👍
@petea7323
@petea7323 Ай бұрын
Great video. I really like how you show how much variation in design there is and it’s not just a different label on the filter. I’ve always struggled with Mann filters on my car. Especially with low oil pressure on startup. I’m not sure why. I haven’t used them since and my oil pressure issues have gone away.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You👍
@MerriElla750
@MerriElla750 Ай бұрын
Hi Pete. Not much information was given to you but you did a great job, as usual; both the filters look good. You did a great review,👍TFS
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You, Merri Have a Great Weekend👍
@MerriElla750
@MerriElla750 Ай бұрын
@@WhipCityWrencher You 2
@hizy761
@hizy761 13 күн бұрын
спасибо!
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher 13 күн бұрын
You're Welcome👍
@user-zo2ho8tq5x
@user-zo2ho8tq5x Ай бұрын
Great comparison. I have seen quite a few Mann filters on German equipment. It is likely the OEM supplier to Porsche. I’d bet old Ferdinand preferred flow rate to super fine filtration in his engines. Just a guess but as much as I prefer a European product to one made in China I’d have to pick the finer filtration and the rubber seal at the top of the Mahle on this one. Another terrific comparative video. Thanks for sharing!
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
You're Welcome, Thanks!
@Balticblue93
@Balticblue93 Ай бұрын
Mann-Hummel makes filters for many brands of vehicles and OEM and on the shelf filters in the States of brand such as Purolator Boss family, Denso, Mobil1, Wix and Mamy more OEM filters. Mahle are made in China and are made for most foreign and Euro vehicles. They really both vary in design depending on model of vehicle. There is a whole myriad of designs that I have looked over.
@sonnylatchstring
@sonnylatchstring Ай бұрын
Typed on your China made smartphone?
@steveh2544
@steveh2544 Ай бұрын
Very interesting and useful video. 👍. Great care and attention to detail taken in the disassembly and measurement of both oil filters. I use a Mahle OC306 filter, on my BMW R1200R, which is changed annually with the oil. (these small Mahle filters are made in Austria and marketed as MAHLE Aftermarket GmbH, PragStr. 26-46, 70376, Stuttgart, Germany)
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You👍Glad you liked the video. Thanks for Sharing👍
@mirosuchar9518
@mirosuchar9518 15 күн бұрын
Vďaka za super detailný test filtrov oleja. Ešte vyskúšať rozdiel medzi originál filter napríklad od Honda , toyota , BMW versus ich náhrady. Veľká vďaka za super pracu zo Slovenskej republiky. 👍👍👍👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻☯️🇸🇰
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher 15 күн бұрын
You're Welcome👍
@fn1633
@fn1633 Ай бұрын
Absolutely awesome :) Thank you !!!!! Can you believe it ... All this technology and production for a product less then 8$ ( 4$ for the Mahle ) - I think the filter paper itself probably costs more lol ? The question for really smart people .... Is it better to have higher flow with increased filtration material vs. increased filtration and less material ? I don't know about oil but my HVAC dislikes those thick filters ( MERV 13 ) impeding flow .... With best wishes always !
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You😊👍
@phillipwilliams4674
@phillipwilliams4674 Ай бұрын
I would say that the Mann filter would flow a larger volume of oil, whereas the Mahle filter would remove smaller particles, ensuring greater purity of the filtered oil. I would guess that the Mahle filter would become overwhelmed with contaminants much more quickly than the Mann filter, so if you're looking for a longer service life I'd go with the Mann filter. I work in the car parts supply sector, and European manufacturers tend to qualify Mann filters as OEM parts on their vehicles, so maybe they know something we don't!
@riceburner4747
@riceburner4747 Ай бұрын
I agree, Mahle. I like more holes on top plate. 👍
@user-sf7kl9uh7k
@user-sf7kl9uh7k Ай бұрын
Plus far better filtering medium.
@will-ever
@will-ever Ай бұрын
@@user-sf7kl9uh7k how could you come to this conclusion? You have not filtered anything
@user-sf7kl9uh7k
@user-sf7kl9uh7k Ай бұрын
@@will-ever I've watched the video, have you?
@user-sf7kl9uh7k
@user-sf7kl9uh7k Ай бұрын
Great review, cheers Whip! Mahle for me
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You! Cheers!😊
@skinnytinny9023
@skinnytinny9023 Ай бұрын
The "made in" is the decider for me, I try to use Mann for everything.
@escariol
@escariol Ай бұрын
For me it used to be the decider for me as well, it still is for some things. I never would buy a Mercedes bult in the USA for example, like the M-Class was, the GLE, GLS are. But conerning filters it doesn't make a difference, cause they are developed in here in germany. And i know chineese can build those as good as the germans, turks, italians, greeks, people from former Yugoslavia or all kind of asians who work on their production here in Germany!
@skinnytinny9023
@skinnytinny9023 Ай бұрын
@@escariol I'm a recently retired factory worker, we spent decades struggling against other countries' lower pay and production costs to the point we took a pay cut and it was ten years before we got back to the original wage ignoring inflation. I will always gladly pay a bit more to support European workers.
@escariol
@escariol Ай бұрын
@@skinnytinny9023 You don't make sence at all! A Bulgarian worker earns about 10% of what a Danish worker earns. So which European worker exactly do you support if you buy products made in the EU but in some of the low wage countries?
@escariol
@escariol Ай бұрын
@@Bretware904 possible, but Mahle isn't chinese even if it's build there. Or is the Iphone or any other Apple product chinese?
@skinnytinny9023
@skinnytinny9023 Ай бұрын
@@escariol Alright then, I'll buy made in the UK from now and on and f*ck everyone else, is that better?
@lt.lasereyez8891
@lt.lasereyez8891 Ай бұрын
I always like Mahle personally, very solid products. But same can be said about Mann or Bosch for that matter.
@vespaveloce1924
@vespaveloce1924 Ай бұрын
The OE Piaggio Vespa filter has recently been replaced by Mahle. It is a metal cartridge filter which sits at the bottom of the engine. I have noticed that they corrode very quickly, and puncture easily. This didn’t used to be case.
@stormrider01
@stormrider01 Ай бұрын
I would go for the MAHLE filter because it restricts less oil than the MANN filter. For a sports car you need that the oil passes fast through the filter so therefore the MAHLE is better. Less paper and more holes.
@gunjunky187
@gunjunky187 Ай бұрын
Another great video as always. Mahle takes the win on this one.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You👍
@scorpio9578
@scorpio9578 Ай бұрын
Why? How can you tell it works better ?😲
@billstark6723
@billstark6723 29 күн бұрын
Before I retired I was working on German made equipment we ordered parts for it. The packaging was all German. But when we opened it the stickers all said made in China.
@user-ci7vu7eo9w
@user-ci7vu7eo9w 24 күн бұрын
Yes.every western bigger company has factories in China 😂.cheap work force
@dukecraig2402
@dukecraig2402 24 күн бұрын
Yea, other countries like Germany have very different disclosure laws when it comes to where a product is made, in the US the package must show the country of origin, in other countries they're allowed to put the company's home country on the package and then the country of origin where the product was made on the product itself, by doing it that way you don't know where it was actually made until you get it home and open the box. There's been companies caught here in the US advertising "Made in Germany/UK/France etc etc" who had people in those countries unboxing products and removing the Made in China stickers from the product then shipping them to the US distributors, by doing this they had people in the US buying products they thought were made in those countries and paying highly elevated prices for what they thought was "European craftsmanship". I remember about 10 years back there was a new line of motorcycle helmets on the market that people were paying ridiculous prices for thinking they were made in Germany, turns out the helmets didn't pass European or American DOT safety standards, the shell's broke much easier than they should have once an agency started testing them even the padding on the inside wasn't up to the claimed standards, as soon as the trouble started and it became public knowledge that the helmets were actually made in China from normal plastics and other substandard materials the company's website went dead and nobody could get a hold of their offices which turned out to be an apartment or something like that where they were unboxing them and removing the labels then taking the reboxed helmets around the corner to a shipper and shipping them to the US.
@theravageor
@theravageor Ай бұрын
personally on my truck I have always used MANN filters and I have never had any problems
@brendanpells912
@brendanpells912 Ай бұрын
I bought a genuine Hyundai oil filter from the dealer, opened the box, and it's a Mahle filter. That's what I tend to buy, although I also buy Mann or Hengst. They aren't the metal can type, they're the paper cartridge type that fits inside a plastic cover.
@andrzejk2299
@andrzejk2299 Ай бұрын
Do Hyundaia i30 1,5 DPI 2021 rok kupiłem dwa filtry Hyundaia i Mann - jeden niebieski drugi Mann czarny- oba made in Korea a puszki metalowe taki sam kształt i rozmiar - różnią się kolorem i nadrukiem. Przypuszczam że są z jednej fabryki.
@piotrzwolski2451
@piotrzwolski2451 Ай бұрын
Oglądamy !
@alanbowles1985
@alanbowles1985 24 күн бұрын
Most importantly need to be changed on a regular basis. 👍🏻
@vapoe
@vapoe Ай бұрын
China built a surprisingly nice filter.
@Thecrazyvaclav
@Thecrazyvaclav Ай бұрын
China can and does build good stuff, if just whether the companies they build for keep on top of the quality control
@bmepdoc9675
@bmepdoc9675 Ай бұрын
@@Thecrazyvaclav ^ this
@SuperMegaImbaLord
@SuperMegaImbaLord Ай бұрын
Mahle is OEM for many car-brands. I always buy my filter for my BMW from Mahle, but those filters are made in Austria.
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper Ай бұрын
But you cant tell by watching, the filter paper might be crappy!
@Schlipperschlopper
@Schlipperschlopper Ай бұрын
@@SuperMegaImbaLord MAN also good, as German Knecht and Hengst brand.
@malcolmelias3496
@malcolmelias3496 Ай бұрын
Use Mahle on my defender and the benefit is that the special tool for removing it fits whereas for any other filter you have big space issues.
@renefredriksen4589
@renefredriksen4589 Ай бұрын
We all know the legendary Volbo Redblock, it uses Mahle pistons :) both mann and Mahle is good filters and is the only ones i use in my own cars and in my customers cars.
@gonedoneggonedoneg9863
@gonedoneggonedoneg9863 Ай бұрын
Ann also rebrands purflux- i got one for diesel filtre purflux- clear readable and mann filtre with Brăila/blind style point laser burned
@mannyschlaich
@mannyschlaich Ай бұрын
I would go with the MANN. Nice even center with a slightly smaller inlet creates a negative pull through the filter media. And. It’s German on a German car. There is no substitute.
@Rimrock300
@Rimrock300 Ай бұрын
Mahle filters are developed in Germany, the manufacture of it specified and controlled by Mahle Germany. Does not matter where the factory is located
@UMORIEGA
@UMORIEGA Ай бұрын
@@Rimrock300 It does matter when bean counters at Mahle outsource production to China to boost shareholder profits, destroy jobs here in Europe and the price tag for consumer ends up cheaper by pennies only.
@gertsy2000
@gertsy2000 6 күн бұрын
Nice comparison. Love that you had to decode the mysterious German shortform date, that all the World uses apart from North America.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher 6 күн бұрын
Thank You👍
@blkcoupequattro
@blkcoupequattro Ай бұрын
Mahle makes some of their filters in Mexico now, and and I believe Brazil also. Using Mann on the old Audi 2.7T Allroad 6MT
@asdfjkl981
@asdfjkl981 24 күн бұрын
i´d go with the mann. mor filter surface area means longer before the bypass valve opens. but to be honest. i´d take what ever arrives first. both companies are flawless.
@bvanbiezen3008
@bvanbiezen3008 Ай бұрын
Mahle is also German, since 1920 they manufacture for all sorts of industries, also automotive. So I would totally trust it.
@jeffaurand2345
@jeffaurand2345 Ай бұрын
The micron rating of the filter media is important; despite the microscopic difference, they may be the same. Which does Porsche recommend/use? What level of filtration do they specify? Could exceeding that specification (filter too fine) cause premature clogging, leading to filter bypass and engine damage?
@cskiles318
@cskiles318 Ай бұрын
Great details Fw👍
@Aapeli0071
@Aapeli0071 Ай бұрын
I have a 2005 crv. Previous owner had mahle oc617 oil filter fitted at a dealer and i bought the same filter twice. All 3 of them leaked! Seems like the rubber gasket is garbage.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@ub40time
@ub40time 23 күн бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher 23 күн бұрын
You're Welcome👍 and Thanks!
@attonrand96
@attonrand96 Ай бұрын
I might be wrong but I think the Mann filter has a higher flow rate due to the larger surface area and lower density allowing more oil to get back into the engine.
@nsoper19
@nsoper19 28 күн бұрын
Two great brands. I don't have the most experience, but the only time I've ever had an o ring split was a MANN. I'd still use them again though
@martingriffiths9851
@martingriffiths9851 Ай бұрын
Sorry if anyone else mentioned this in the comments, but I got bored after reading the first 40 or so. Mahle , especially for aircooled Porsches, is pretty much OEM Equipment. Those engines need high amounts of oil flow. The Mann is for those Landrover lovers ;) To do otherwise is just wrong ( and will be expensive ).
@Landaultd
@Landaultd 19 күн бұрын
You are good with both....
@AdamAus85
@AdamAus85 23 күн бұрын
Being a BMW dude (E39), Mann appears to be the go to company for filtration. I also use them in my Alfa Romeo 156 and 166. I've used Mahle before, but never found one that was Made in China before.
@adwest68
@adwest68 Ай бұрын
45 yr experiences in engine reconditioning MANN filter number 1 second Knecht
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thanks for Sharing
@dainsookdeo7086
@dainsookdeo7086 Ай бұрын
I will go with the mahle filter . I do buy a lot of items from china they have improved in quality 👌 recently
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@panoscharos983
@panoscharos983 Ай бұрын
Congratulations.. regards from Athens Greece...😊
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank you! 😃
@konstantin-big
@konstantin-big Ай бұрын
Χαιρετισμούς από Γρεβενά
@cees9314
@cees9314 Ай бұрын
Thank you for this deep comparison. It's interesting to see an oil filter taken apart. However, based on what you shown, you cannot make an assessment which one does a better job filtering oil or is more durable than the other. Both are top brands.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
You're Welcome
@dubsydubs5234
@dubsydubs5234 Ай бұрын
I realise you can't test everything but I think a flow test would tell us some good info, I've used Mann for decades in my VW/Audi shop, never had a problem not once, to me Mahle are makers of pistons (never seen filters for sale) so I'd be surprised if their filters weren't top notch.
@endlesstwisties
@endlesstwisties Ай бұрын
I tried different filters over the years. The only one that gave me issues was Champion. Oil light flashing at every start. But was bigger than the rest. Maybe didn't hold enough oil pressure. I don't know. Last filter i bought as OEM has the Mahle logo written so i might stick with them for a while
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@reaperinsaltbrine5211
@reaperinsaltbrine5211 Ай бұрын
those ridges in the Mahle serve a purpose: forget the rough holes: that spiral groove accelerates and directs fluid flow which the other don't: porbaby increases efficiency 4 fold..... also in the beginning: if there is no movement (like in an oil filter) metal-to-metal contact is what you want...an additional gasket just adds to more leak....
@danbrenneman1240
@danbrenneman1240 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing Pete! Have a good weekend!
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
You're Welcome Dan, Have a Good weekend also.👍
@RavTokomi
@RavTokomi Ай бұрын
Would like to see a heat and pressure test. I know cheap filters in some engines can collapse or even melt if they are not well built, especially in German turbo engines, although that may be more for the can-less type.
@edwardselby8695
@edwardselby8695 Ай бұрын
Honest work 👍
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thanks 🙂
@masperso
@masperso 7 күн бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to make the video. Would have been interesting to compare the beta-values. But then, of course, we are talking about costly testing equipment.
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher 7 күн бұрын
You're Welcome👍
@DubaiDiver
@DubaiDiver Ай бұрын
I just replaced my LR3 oil filter with a Mahle oul filter made in Austria
@johnmelling9950
@johnmelling9950 Ай бұрын
Ive used many different brands of filters over the years. Bosch, Mann, Mahle, Blueprint, Purolator, Framm. Wixx, Champion and OEM branded along with the odd brand id never heard of. I can honestly say i never noticed any ill effects from using any of the different brands, nor did i think that one brand performed noticeably better than the other. Thats not to say one brand doesnt filter better/worse than the other, just that i never noticed any noticeable difference. None of the engines failed prematurely, nor did they become noisier or start burning more oil. One thing that always stood out to me is the Mann filters always seem to have less holes in the face plate as is the case in the video. For this reason, if i was pressed to choose, i would choose the filter with more holes just because it seems more logical that the more holes, the better the flow, but in reality i doubt it makes any difference and im sure Mann know what they are doing. I would suggest that changing the oil and filter more regularly is far more important that the brand of filter.
@jamesfordjhfcontractingltd1627
@jamesfordjhfcontractingltd1627 Ай бұрын
I like the way you have to explain the date stamp on the Mann filter 🙈🙈
@anestism5263
@anestism5263 Ай бұрын
Purflux filter is very good too!
@donwyoming1936
@donwyoming1936 Ай бұрын
1990 Porsche. Now that brings back memories. Loved Porsche back then. Gorgeous little cars.
@nev7711
@nev7711 Ай бұрын
Yes, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW and VW built solid cars then and mostly built in Germany.
@mikemills841
@mikemills841 28 күн бұрын
Interesting. I'd say the Mhale would give better absolute filtration, the Mann will accept greater throughput of oil, thereby doing more cleaning and supplying more oil to the engine parts. Take your choice !
@404notfound.....
@404notfound..... Ай бұрын
Definitely very similar. I was surprised at just how much quality was in the filter from China. 🇨🇳 i would go with the mann filter as well. Excellent video comparison pete!! 👍🏼🇨🇦
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You 404👍
@robvanduren761
@robvanduren761 Ай бұрын
Im familiar with Mahle as they made pistons for my old Bultaco and my Husqvarna motorcycles 80s
@f.d.robben159
@f.d.robben159 Ай бұрын
Both are German brands with high quality standards. Tesla is an American brand, but you can also have Teslas made in China and Germany. The question is who did it and how, not where
@uranusneptun5239
@uranusneptun5239 Ай бұрын
It doesn't matter if things are produced in China by reputable brands. They usually have quality control and do everything on a European standard. Just the labour is cheaper over there. Major German car brands also build their cars for the Asian market there. Just like they do in Mexico for the US market. I believe that some of the people running those factories are actually remote employees from Europe.
@ramiretz
@ramiretz Ай бұрын
i was always a Mahle Filter friend but since they moved to china i saw mahle filters with excessive glue on the filter media and very rough n dirty stamped holes on the inner tube... for me mahle only if the were made in austria/germany otherwise always a MANN Filter from Germany
@Skuggan84
@Skuggan84 Ай бұрын
MANN is OEM in most european car brands. I would suspect MAHLE is for most japanese makes. Both are premium quality OEM filters.
@darylmorse
@darylmorse Ай бұрын
I used to have a BMW E46 M3. The OEM filter is made by Mahle. It was a very well made filter compared with others.
@paulosantana1200
@paulosantana1200 Ай бұрын
As a dayli mechanic Mahle is a top brand and the most common in use Mamn filters used to be good
@charleserickson7503
@charleserickson7503 Ай бұрын
I shall go for the mahle filter not for where it's made but the because of the amount of inlet holes and the paper it has inside .
@samgrieg2542
@samgrieg2542 Ай бұрын
so Mann would be more free flowing, less resistive. Easier on the oil pump?
@volkan2k
@volkan2k Ай бұрын
Interesting video, thanks
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
You're Welcome, Thanks👍
@spankyham9607
@spankyham9607 Ай бұрын
I think the MANN would have better flow with less restriction and internal pressure. But fewer holes on the inlet might counter that. IDK. Nice review!
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thank You
@j.cesarbraga
@j.cesarbraga Ай бұрын
Both are good. In my country, they are both manufactured locally, so quality is good across the board. I only buy OEM, though, so I have to trust my car manufacturer to choose a good supplier.
@WrenchingMafia
@WrenchingMafia Ай бұрын
Great video WhipCityWrencher our manufacture uses Mann Filters. Thanks
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
Thanks, WrenchingMafia👍
@owen8538
@owen8538 28 күн бұрын
Both gr8 filters:)
@boskiles2369
@boskiles2369 Ай бұрын
I never heard of either of these. Thanks for the info 👍
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher Ай бұрын
You're Welcome👍
@bill90405
@bill90405 Ай бұрын
Mann were all I ever used in the multiple W124 Mercedes I owned
@chilleddriving1455
@chilleddriving1455 Ай бұрын
Wow - impressive.
@richardsealey3626
@richardsealey3626 28 күн бұрын
You don't know much about cars then...................
@Spiritualwarfare587
@Spiritualwarfare587 Ай бұрын
I use only mahle they are very good +oem equipment for bmw. I checked another video where they test both mahle had better filtration and better flow
@vulturesuc4
@vulturesuc4 4 күн бұрын
I enjoyed your review :)
@WhipCityWrencher
@WhipCityWrencher 4 күн бұрын
Thank You, I Appreciate it.😊👍
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