Make Noise Maths - Beginner's Guide with Visual Demonstrations

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Braintree56

Braintree56

Жыл бұрын

Make Noise Maths is a quintessential eurorack module many consider to be one of the best. It certainly has a great reputation! But it can be very intimidating for beginners. It has an unconventional layout and cryptic labeling. It's not always clear what it's doing or how to use it.
In this video, I give an introductiion to Maths using the Mordax Data Oscilloscope to illustrate what is going on inside the module. The Mordax Data was extremely helpful in helping me understand the module and I hope it helps you as well.
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@InvertedPopesMusic
@InvertedPopesMusic Жыл бұрын
Had the Maths for years and only now am I beginning to understand it and this video really helped.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Awesome!!
@andrewchalsma
@andrewchalsma Жыл бұрын
Super helpful to see the scope. You made it a lot less scary just with the basics.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Awesome!
@ReductioAdAbsurdum1
@ReductioAdAbsurdum1 10 ай бұрын
After doing modular for 5 years, I finally 'get' Maths because of this video. Thanks
@braintree56
@braintree56 10 ай бұрын
You got it! Glad it was helpful!
@edgardvera3132
@edgardvera3132 Жыл бұрын
I’m new to modular and of course I was totally overwhelmed in my first attempt to use Maths. Your video is the best beginner’s tool on KZfaq at the moment. Thank you !
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! That's quite a compliment. Appreciate it.
@vonk369
@vonk369 3 ай бұрын
This definitely is a great way to explain to beginners, very insightful. subscribed!
@alexanderfpv6655
@alexanderfpv6655 2 ай бұрын
yes! this was just what I needed to jumpstart my exploration into my new maths module. now I know what I'm listening for and more about the signal flow.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Ай бұрын
Awesome! Glad you liked it.
@TheAdamMalcolm
@TheAdamMalcolm Жыл бұрын
I’ve been in and out of modular for years and had maths a few times but never used it properly, literally watched this and I think I get it now, immediately went to my new shared system to try to work it out! Liked and subscribed, thank you so much for slowly explaining things in a way that makes sense.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Glad it helped. Thanks!
@TurtleVisionStudio
@TurtleVisionStudio Ай бұрын
BEST BEGINNER OVERVIEW VID TUTORIAL ON MATHS BY FAR 👏
@rantonerik
@rantonerik Жыл бұрын
The symbol you thought might be function is actually the integral symbol. Like from calculus.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Ahhh yes! (Flood of memories are returning from senior year of high school...) [Cue distant thunder sounds]
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@mgbaron
@mgbaron 2 ай бұрын
Taking the integral means to measure the area under the curve, so the knob actually makes a lot of sense because you are controlling the area under the curve.
@jeffwise8398
@jeffwise8398 5 ай бұрын
Great work! This is really helpful! Love your videos!
@renekasbergen
@renekasbergen 4 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks! I’m still trying to find a good reason to get Maths. After watching this and a lot of other videos on it, I understand what it can do. It’s cool; I can imagine how I could use it, but still don’t feel the need to get one. It’s so much HP for stuff my other modules can already do. Nothing has given me that aha-moment yet.
@TaylorThomasVideo
@TaylorThomasVideo Жыл бұрын
I held off for two years after building my first modular rig, I FINALLY purchased it and am excited to integrate it right away thanks to the help of your video. Thanks so much!
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! So glad it was helpful!
@jonesthestone
@jonesthestone Жыл бұрын
best rundown of maths ever, everybody else's just confused me more,
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@yourdebtisunpayable9614
@yourdebtisunpayable9614 Ай бұрын
This video was so helpful - I would love to see videos on the a-135-2 as well Fantastic job - keep creating good content
@ThMntnst
@ThMntnst Жыл бұрын
Hey, a nice overview of the mystical Maths! One thing about the input of channels 1 & 4: Mangling is of course not wrong. But for any new users (like I once was...) it's maybe interesting, that this makes a "Slew-Limiter" for CV-Signals, which will for example flatten the curve of a Gate with increased values on Rise & Fall (creating an Attack-Sustain-Release instead of the triggered Attack-Decay). In other scenarios, it can give you that nice sliding with a pitch-sequence by the same principle and to a certain degree, it even can act as a crude filter on audio. Another thing about the OR/SUM/INV: It may be "unfortunate", that the attenuverted outputs get subtracted from them while patched, but a really fortunate event is, that the "unity-outputs" on channels 1 & 4 still are patchable without being subtracted. So you can play around with the summing-logic + two unipolar LFOs or even AD/ASR-Envelopes to use with voices while spicing up the modulation of the summing-bus. You can for example invert the waves from 1 &/or 4 to use as a weird ducking-effect on another module (VCA, Filter whatever). I see that this is supposed to be a beginners-guide, but aside from the more advanced stuff with interlinking channels, I thought, my mentions are among the "basics" :)
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Great comment! Lots of useful info here. It's sometimes difficult to gauge how much info to include without letting the video become too much. Posts like this can help fill in the gaps. Thanks.
@dimensionalbleedthrough2040
@dimensionalbleedthrough2040 Жыл бұрын
Useful. Keep comments like these coming!
@ThMntnst
@ThMntnst Жыл бұрын
@@dimensionalbleedthrough2040 For Maths especially, you best learn from discussing the possibilities. It's one of those "patchprogrammable" units, that don't show their full potential just by looking at the controls and/or manual (which is also greatly done, to be quite honest!).
@SuperAcademie
@SuperAcademie 5 ай бұрын
Best video there is About Maths basics!!!
@Christopher_mason
@Christopher_mason 11 ай бұрын
Most helpful video of Maths I've found so far. Thank you. You are an angel 👼
@braintree56
@braintree56 11 ай бұрын
Wow! That's quite a compliment! Thanks.
@kelvindodd5577
@kelvindodd5577 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. This really helped to understand the scary module that everyone told me I needed. Yes, I did heed the advice.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Now I use it almost every time I start patching.... The more I use it the more I like it.
@UNDERMIND_AUDIO
@UNDERMIND_AUDIO Жыл бұрын
Maths is great! This is super helpful. I've had Maths for 1 year, and I just got the DFAM.... Your help is appreciated!
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@iamseeingdots
@iamseeingdots Жыл бұрын
Great video, that’s really helped our understanding of Maths! Thank you :)
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad it was helpful! :)
@chitlun
@chitlun Жыл бұрын
Excellent rundown of this essential beast! I listened to advice and Maths was the very first module I bought and spent a week with nothing more than that, a Pam’s and my semi modulars (MB2S, Neutron, DFAM, SubH & Matriarch)… 7 months later and I doubt there’s ever a patch it’s not used in and I still get blown away by discovering yet another crazy thing it’s capable of! I have, to be fair, become a bit of a Make Noise fanboy and have a few of their modules now, I like their particular brand of lunacy!
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I probably should have jumped in from the beginning. I'm definitely curious in getting more Make Noise now... Any recommendations? I was thinking about Mimephone.
@chitlun
@chitlun Жыл бұрын
@@braintree56 Where to start? The René sequencer is exceptional, I have the MK1 version but will probably get the MK2 at some point. I nearly bought the Mimiophone but I went for a Strymon Magneto instead, which is awesome. I also have the Richter Wogglebug (insane random mod beast), ModDemix (ring & AM mod etc), Maths of course and an STO VCO. I’ve recently got the Morphagene and that thing is likely to end up being my most used module. I’m still getting my head around it but wow! What a source of absolute inspiration and creativity. I tend towards the experimental ambient side of things so the Morphagene suits that perfectly. In a perfect world, I would have a Black & Gold Shared System on my desk but I ain’t got £4.5k lying around to buy one so I’m building one up piece by piece.
@alexandrenavarro
@alexandrenavarro 4 ай бұрын
Very nice first approach to Maths, indeed ! With the scope things go clearly 🙂 thx !
@Hellseeker1
@Hellseeker1 10 ай бұрын
Maths is so amazing 4MS just came out with their own version with some added features, it's called Shaped Duel Envelope VCA. I have both, no lie though you need this module, it's just too powerful of a tool and it won't break the bank.
@braintree56
@braintree56 10 ай бұрын
Cool. Seems like there are two versions of it. The "shaped one" at $339 20hp and the linear one at $225 16hp. Which one do you have?
@brutusmuerto
@brutusmuerto 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the help! Much appreciated!
@braintree56
@braintree56 8 ай бұрын
Glad it helped!
@SuperAcademie
@SuperAcademie 5 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot!! Keep up the good work
@Fsng837
@Fsng837 6 ай бұрын
I was nearly 400hp deep before finally deciding that I just need to buy and learn maths and stop ignoring it. Like you, it lives next to a Data and that has been super helpful for me.
@braintree56
@braintree56 6 ай бұрын
Maths really opened up Modular for me. Once I got it - I felt like I could get anything and just naturally understood how everything worked. The DATA was essential in that process.
@db_illin
@db_illin 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for making this video!
@braintree56
@braintree56 9 ай бұрын
My pleasure. Thanks for the comment!
@voflondor
@voflondor 6 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this video! My Maths finally arrived and (even though I did manage to get interesting stuff thanks to it already) I really did not understand the possibilities before watching this~
@braintree56
@braintree56 5 ай бұрын
Awesome! So glad I was able to help. Thanks for letting me know! :)
@gabekarp3008
@gabekarp3008 11 ай бұрын
Good explanation. Thank you.
@braintree56
@braintree56 10 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@rhampton1914
@rhampton1914 Жыл бұрын
ok,,,im gettn one...after all these years being into modular gear, i now see the benefits of owning one.....Thanks for your Video........😊
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
You won't regret it. Super fun!
@HousePlant_Ambient
@HousePlant_Ambient 11 ай бұрын
Makes Noise. Brilliant Modulars, but SUPER complex, definitely a learning curve. I had the same issue with Morphagene, had no idea, and had to sit to read the manual lol
@braintree56
@braintree56 11 ай бұрын
Manuals... Psshhhtt! :)
@Zenkman
@Zenkman 9 ай бұрын
This is a really good „other“ MATHs Video , good to learn the Module , cool !
@braintree56
@braintree56 9 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@anachronemusic3534
@anachronemusic3534 10 ай бұрын
thanks to you i understand more how the basics fuctions are made, thanks !
@braintree56
@braintree56 10 ай бұрын
Awesome!
@dimensionalbleedthrough2040
@dimensionalbleedthrough2040 Жыл бұрын
Very useful! Please make more videos.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
You got it! If there's anything specific you want to see - let me know!
@Loki6669Alpha
@Loki6669Alpha Жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@antoniostramaglia1316
@antoniostramaglia1316 7 ай бұрын
thanks a loro....very useful video
@braintree56
@braintree56 7 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it
@MarteenMayjer
@MarteenMayjer 7 ай бұрын
This was such an awesome tutorial! Had this module for awhile and was stumped. Thank you ☺️ Also, that symbol that you said was the function symbol in math is an integration symbol. It basically means summation. Only mentioning it since I was gonna comment anyway hehe 12:23
@braintree56
@braintree56 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yes! Integration!
@marco_movie
@marco_movie Жыл бұрын
(unrelated comment) Every time I watch you in video, you remind me of the Dick character played by Todd Louiso in the (musical) movie "High Fidelity"!
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Ha! I can see the resemblance.
@stephencrane561
@stephencrane561 9 ай бұрын
NOW I gettit! Thank you.
@braintree56
@braintree56 9 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@iamstorii
@iamstorii 11 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@braintree56
@braintree56 11 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it! :)
@BachelorMachinesTV
@BachelorMachinesTV Жыл бұрын
Stopped after 4 minutes when I realized this video was going to make me get into Eurorack.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Ha! Too Funny. Resistance is Futile...
@brhodes0
@brhodes0 2 ай бұрын
Braintree is a place in Essex UK and it's rough as f**k. Good vid.
@braintree56
@braintree56 2 ай бұрын
Thanks! Yeah, I've heard. I live on the east coast of the US and there are a lot of Braintrees around here. Streets. Towns. Etc. I'm assuming the name comes from that place! I just liked the name. :)
@HousePlant_Ambient
@HousePlant_Ambient 11 ай бұрын
The scope is a savior when figuring shit out lol. I may need to invest one cause that was super helpful. I’ve under utilized the modular, but I learned on the go, and was able to do so much shit. I remember I accidentally created like an arp/LFO patch and was like oh shit that’s cool. Totally forgot how now, haha.
@braintree56
@braintree56 11 ай бұрын
Ha. Yeah, I got the Mordax Data when I was having trouble wrapping my brain around Maths and it made it click for me. Definitely helpful!
@Indianabones007
@Indianabones007 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video, well explained..hey I understood it lol!! Just getting into modular, got my case and a few modules and Maths was first on with Plaits.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Make sure you get the newest firmware with Plaits and load it up with some DX7 sounds you like!
@Indianabones007
@Indianabones007 Жыл бұрын
@@braintree56 I’ve done the update and just had a look at the sites with the files, got the editor to send them to Plaites, will hopefully try them later, I want to mess about with the ones that came with download first and since it’s new to me, the other sounds lol, a lot of sounds from one module
@pcprobot
@pcprobot 11 ай бұрын
This is a pretty good explamation.
@braintree56
@braintree56 11 ай бұрын
Glad you found it helpful!
@ohbravasura
@ohbravasura Жыл бұрын
Nice video! I'd love to see some subharmonicon with maths patches!
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Yes! I'll definitely have to explore some ways to use it with the Sub.
@chitlun
@chitlun Жыл бұрын
One can turn the SubH into an absolute filth monster with some audio rate FM from Maths. Get channels 1&4 cycling at different audio rates and feed them into SubH VCO 1&2 and boom, you have some serious filth!
@goingmodular
@goingmodular Жыл бұрын
Watching this new video, I told myself that you would probably love playing one of the recently marketed Arp 2600 clones. I, for one, own a Blue Marvin limited series by Behringer, but as you surely know, Korg also released their own 2600 clones under the Arp brandname (that they purchased). Indeed, your video here made me realise that MakeNoise Math's functionalities were already all present in the Arp 2600, distributed between the Ring Modulator and the (often under-used) Voltage Processor. As a matter of fact, the more I dig into Eurorack modules and/or semi-modular synths, the more I realise how Alan Pearlman and his team pretty much got it all, back in 1970. The 2600 is definitely a difficult machine to master, but once you have used it for a while and start figuring out all it can do, you rarely get to be impressed by new fancy products on the modular/semi-mod market. I wish the name of Alan R. Pearlman would be more well-known to the general public: what he brought to modern music is truly astounding, in retrospect.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
I definitely want to get an Arp 2600 clone at one point. Herbie Hancock and the headhunters was one of the first synth focused albums that really captured my attention. That synth was a big part of his setup. I still love that album.
@goingmodular
@goingmodular Жыл бұрын
@@braintree56 Oh dear, don’t get me started on Chameleon ! I played that one on keyboard in various jazz/fusion ensembles more than I remember. I remember I used to play it on a worn-out Rhodes with a missing lower F (!), but that was before I started dabbling into analog synthesis. Nowadays, I would proudly bring my 2600 to such gigs ! 😀 Along the same vein, you may be interested in an impromptu interview of Pedro Eustache praising the two modified Behringer 2600s he brought to the Hans Zimmer Tour he was playing in. VERY interesting talk, half music - half technical geekery. Right along our alleys ! 😉 m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kJ-na6mi2dS1pIE.html
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
@@goingmodular Perfect! I'll watch it.
@dgoldmd
@dgoldmd Сағат бұрын
please explain when to use the trig input vs the cycle input? dan
@fonitronik
@fonitronik Жыл бұрын
The MATHS combines a copy of the old classic Serge DUSG from the 70ies with a 4-channel Attenuverting Mixer (or a CV PRO as it is called in the Serge-world). That's almost it. So it existed since the 2nd half of the 70ies.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
I've read some about this. Good info. It's fascinating how these things can be redone and reworked.
@warrenjinksyorke1495
@warrenjinksyorke1495 6 ай бұрын
Hello, excellent review, I would be interested to know if I can use the Maths alone, I have a monophonic synthesizer, a drum machine and a midi controller, it helps me to be able to intervene in the signal and modulate or modify it, I have just started with the machines, greetings!!! !
@braintree56
@braintree56 5 ай бұрын
Overall I'd say no. But you can definitely make it do some things all by itself. The LFOs can go audio rate and make noise. But, in general, it's really best as a part of a system. Does that make sense?
@user-ng9uc3vu3k
@user-ng9uc3vu3k 4 ай бұрын
Hey man, .. nice presentation. As you, .. up to this point, I've ignored the "buzz" concerning Maths. I do have a pair of Stages, .. that I would say, accomplishes several of the same things, as Maths. In some recent conversations .. I've asked if Maths could assist with Stages, .. and I've received "yes" answers. One other thing .. I've wondered about why Data is often used in demonstration videos, .. instead of just hearing it .. and well, I think I'm coming around on this, too .. where I've just been using it mainly as a tuner.
@braintree56
@braintree56 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, really you can do anything Maths does with combinations of other modules. I've just found it so useful and for the money, well worth it. Once you understand how it all works, it's often just so easy to go to when you need anything. Stages I imagine is very similar in that regard!
@user-ng9uc3vu3k
@user-ng9uc3vu3k 4 ай бұрын
@@braintree56 Yes, I think so too, about your Maths, from what I can tell. Who knows, .. IF I had purchased Maths, before Stages .. ? .. would I have being getting Stages? But, .. overlap is inevitable. The mixing ability of Maths, .. pretty valuable, in itself.
@user-ng9uc3vu3k
@user-ng9uc3vu3k 4 ай бұрын
You know .. I take that back about getting Stages, or not .. the sequencing, and sub-variations of the sequencing, and with newer firmware now, .. that module's a champ, in this regard, alone.
@sideefxtv
@sideefxtv Жыл бұрын
I can watch Maths vids for hours.. and I think I have to try on my own. I think the symbol next to ch1 output is "the integral"
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Yes! The integral! The more I use Maths, the more I like it....
@TheRoomboom
@TheRoomboom 9 ай бұрын
12 : this is the symbol of integration
@braintree56
@braintree56 9 ай бұрын
Bam! That's it!
@LuisTorres-qz5kr
@LuisTorres-qz5kr Жыл бұрын
Great tutorial. I do not (yet) have any Eurorack modules, yet this was very intriguing....and....make me question.... BTW, in math, the integral sign ∫ represents integration. Though not sure how Maths module uses such.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Thanks... I'm not sure how the integral relates to the unity output... I'd be curious if there is an actual mathematical reason for placing the symbol there other than just decoration. Glad you liked it!
@samelocurrente3929
@samelocurrente3929 9 ай бұрын
@@braintree56 Hey! See your example of the triangle wave. The integral of a pulse wave is a triangular wave. Check "pulse wave integration" in Google! Loved the explanation!
@StaticSkyTV
@StaticSkyTV 4 ай бұрын
∫ means Integral
@braintree56
@braintree56 4 ай бұрын
That's it!!! :)
@theberndsen
@theberndsen Жыл бұрын
🙏❤️🙏
@braintree56
@braintree56 9 ай бұрын
😀❤️👍
@wylepeyote
@wylepeyote 6 ай бұрын
The math symbol you refer to is Integration not function.
@braintree56
@braintree56 5 ай бұрын
That's it! Thanks!
@antikytheramechanism7909
@antikytheramechanism7909 3 ай бұрын
What I have noticed is that beginners get Maths, use it for a LFO, use it for a not so good envelope and then never use it again because they buy an LFO and buy and envelope. I also see my favorite artists with it in the case and never, ever hooked up. It's one of those things people buy because they don't know what they want.
@braintree56
@braintree56 3 ай бұрын
I can see that. It's one of those things that if you are using it for a specific function (like LFO) all the time, it would make sense to then go out and buy a dedicated module for that. Offset. Envelope. Etc. I guess it's nice to have in the rack though just in case something comes up? Maybe? But I guess that's the same as not knowing what you want.... I've actually debated getting two or three and just using those as my main modulation sources... Rather than having different LFOs and such... (But I never do...)
@annedeoedipus7849
@annedeoedipus7849 Жыл бұрын
Just bought a DFAM and the first thing you say is about Maths and DFAM. Goddamn poor house, looks like I’m never getting out.
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
It's a giant hole! Just wait until I put out my DFAM and Pam's Workout video! You'll have to get that too! :)
@annedeoedipus7849
@annedeoedipus7849 Жыл бұрын
@@braintree56 I’m doooooooomed. But yep, been eyeing Pamela too. This is how it starts, right? I am in trouble.
@WithTheGrain
@WithTheGrain Жыл бұрын
Don't make me want to buy Maths, don't make me buy maths..
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Hate to break it to you... You already want to buy it! :)
@AboveTheTrees00
@AboveTheTrees00 Жыл бұрын
maths 4 life although if you don't know what's going on you won't use it a lot. Watch this video and buy maths.
@chitlun
@chitlun Жыл бұрын
A case without Maths is like a camping trip without a Swiss Army Knife.
@GeorgeLocke
@GeorgeLocke Жыл бұрын
QARV, Rampage, delta V, lots of excellent competing options.
@emollme
@emollme Жыл бұрын
Stop playing Music in the background please, Tutorial is good though
@braintree56
@braintree56 Жыл бұрын
Ha, funny you mention this, I rewatched this video yesterday and thought the same thing...
@zorancalic65
@zorancalic65 4 ай бұрын
No sound? 20 minutes and only technical info? I do not realy understand this... Do you have video with audio poss, without osciloscop, only sound?
@braintree56
@braintree56 4 ай бұрын
The reason I chose to do it without sound is because Maths doesn't produce sound. There are many videos with people using it with lots of other modules, but I wanted to show what this one could do and explain it without introducing other modules into the equation. An LFO can impact just about anything, so I thought it was important to show it's shape with a visual. And because I hadn't seen any other videos that do that. But... I can definitely do a video that uses sound too. ;)
@MikkelGrumBovin
@MikkelGrumBovin 4 ай бұрын
The music makes it hard to follow the info, its super annoying
@braintree56
@braintree56 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, this was one of my early videos and the music is way too loud. Hope you were still able to get something out of it. Thanks for the feedback.
@phpn99
@phpn99 5 ай бұрын
Maths is just a ripoff of the Serge DUSG, which itself is a take on the Buchla 251 and 287. It doesn't really innovate over them, except for the horrible graphics silk-screened on top.
@StaticSkyTV
@StaticSkyTV 4 ай бұрын
Right. And Uli did nothing wrong, eh?
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