Making a Gear Cutter Arbor for a Proxxon Milling Machine

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Adventures with a Very Small Lathe

Adventures with a Very Small Lathe

6 жыл бұрын

I made this arbor on the Proxxon lathe specifically to fit the Proxxon milling machine. This is a better design than my previous arbor project for maintaining good runout, which is important when cutting gears.
OnShape CAD model:
cad.onshape.com/documents/94c...
Materials:
42CrMo4 Hot Rolled Engineering Steel 30mm round bar
Machines:
Proxxon PD 250/e Lathe
Proxxon FF 230 Milling machine
Music:
Divertimento D dur für Violine, Viola und Violoncell, Op. 22 by Joseph Haas, performed by Steve's Bedroom Band
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@jrkorman
@jrkorman 6 жыл бұрын
Regards your comment about setting your collet block. A stop similar to this {see photo} should be a fairly easy task for the Lego guys! :) www.micro-machine-shop.com/solid-jaw_adjustable_work_stop.jpg
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 6 жыл бұрын
Nice idea! I just checked, and the vice back jaw already has an M8 threaded hole in it that I'd somehow never managed to notice before. I'll get '80s Lego Space Guy and the team on that right away. ;)
@marcmckenzie5110
@marcmckenzie5110 5 жыл бұрын
You are an excellent teacher! I wish we were on the same street and could daily share problem solving. Great job.
@tonycstech
@tonycstech 3 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable. I actually learned how to do threads from this video. Watched a bunch of others in detail and didnt get it.
@EdAgers110
@EdAgers110 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice work! I will replay this several times when I get to a point that I want to make one myself. Subscribed!
@IBWatchinUrVids
@IBWatchinUrVids 4 жыл бұрын
New to your channel, nice work. The struggle is real with small, under powered machines.
@bulletproofpepper2
@bulletproofpepper2 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful work! Can’t wait to see it make a great part. Thanks for sharing I need to make one also.
@tinker5349
@tinker5349 6 жыл бұрын
I'm no expert, nothing wrong with your approach, You got a great finish on your tool and I think that's what matters.
@loricastro3772
@loricastro3772 4 жыл бұрын
Nice job! Congratulations and thanks for showing us.
@sky173
@sky173 Жыл бұрын
What a great idea. I just made my first gear and this would have come in handy. Thanks for sharing.
@AverageJoe2020
@AverageJoe2020 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely delightful Alistair (?), I hope that you are chuffed with what you have made here, I would be, Best regards, Sam.
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sam! I am pleased with it. I think it's the project with the highest standard of machine work I've made so far. Still lots of room for improvement though.
@Doug_Edwards
@Doug_Edwards 6 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video, didn't realize you did so much cranking.
@ilikeoranges4
@ilikeoranges4 5 жыл бұрын
You, sir, are a bigger man than I am to be turning THAT close to the chuck😦😱🤯 Edit/ps: your internal threading method is genius
@b0rd3n
@b0rd3n 2 жыл бұрын
Did not know about the Amphi Festival, Thanks
@colsanjaybajpai5747
@colsanjaybajpai5747 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully made. Very professional
@JourneymanRandy
@JourneymanRandy 5 жыл бұрын
Great design and work
@juanrivero8
@juanrivero8 6 жыл бұрын
I like that design for a gear cutter holder. I might miniaturize it. Winter is coming and I go back to my clock. I have to recut a gear, so I while I am at that, I will rebuild my micro dividing head and learn to make cutters. Commercial cutters are too big for my little MF70 mill. Making a clock is a project that springs to mind. Needs some means of dividing which itself involves some gear cutting.
@colsanjaybajpai5747
@colsanjaybajpai5747 5 жыл бұрын
Wonderful machining
@brandontscheschlog
@brandontscheschlog 6 жыл бұрын
Very cool! Awesome idea!
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brandon, glad you enjoyed the video!
@tinker5349
@tinker5349 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, I think you have taken time and have put a lot of thought into the design of the tool resulting in a tool that is safe to use, practical and looks very professional. I once made a morse taper MT1 fly cutter, I really wish I had incorporated a threaded draw bar in the rear of the tool to aid retention. It may be a good idea to thread the tools for use with a draw bar if you have not already done so. Very well done, keep up the interesting videos. Trefor
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 6 жыл бұрын
One drawback of the Proxxon FF 230 is that it doesn't allow a draw bar. I have to depend on making straight shank tooling to fit into a collet. I did consider adapting the machine to fit a custom made draw bar, but couldn't work out a way to fit it into the design.
@MikeB_workshop
@MikeB_workshop 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice idea with this thread on opposite side :) Well done :)
@machiningbasics1729
@machiningbasics1729 6 жыл бұрын
First !!! What an excellent watch and marvellous project, il be making one like it but slightly bigger soon
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 6 жыл бұрын
I think bigger is better for this tool. The clamping surfaces for this version are a bit too small. They work, but I think the cutter would be more stable if I started with larger stock.
@Lordcarlox
@Lordcarlox 6 жыл бұрын
Hermoso proyecto.
@colincreedtattoomachines
@colincreedtattoomachines 6 жыл бұрын
Another terrific project & video, Well done!! As someone with the same lathe & mill, I look forward to seeing your proposed "thread cutting" video. regards Colin
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 6 жыл бұрын
I'm cautious about posting howto videos about machining, because I'm an amateur, and a beginner still, and I don't want to lead people the wrong way. I'm glad to hear there is interest on going into more detail about applying the techniques I've learned to small hobby machines.
@colincreedtattoomachines
@colincreedtattoomachines 6 жыл бұрын
Alistair, I fully understand your caution & given there's precious little available for us as Proxxon users, anything is better than nothing. As I'm the only person I know with a lathe, be that Proxxon or other, everytime I watch I'm able to verify similar issues or emulate your approach. Currently I've not undertaken any threading on my lathe so you're already well ahead of me. Whatever you're prepared to provide will be of value. regards Colin
@EdAgers110
@EdAgers110 5 жыл бұрын
Adventures with a Very Small Lathe Trust me when I say that there are plenty of folks out there that are more of an “amateur “ than you are and have much to learn from someone who has already acquired your skill set on these small machines. I just bought mine a couple of weeks ago! ;)
@6NBERLS
@6NBERLS Жыл бұрын
Most excellent.
@BedsitBob
@BedsitBob 4 жыл бұрын
It might have been a good idea to put a left-hand thread on the gear cutting arbor, so the locking nut tends to tighten, as the arbour rotates, rather than loosen, as it currently will. Alternately, you could turn the cutter over, and run the mill in reverse.
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 4 жыл бұрын
That's a really good point! Next time I'm making this style of arbor (which I definitely will), I'll remember that technique.
@BedsitBob
@BedsitBob 4 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe Another advantage of putting a left-hand thread on it, is you will be threading away from the chuck, which means no more panicking, trying to stop the carriage before the tool crashes into the shoulder of the job.
@bbbnz50
@bbbnz50 2 жыл бұрын
Well done
@ElTallerdeSanti
@ElTallerdeSanti 4 жыл бұрын
Muy bien fabricado y buen aprovechamiento de un torno pequeño felicidades.
@jsladenumuno
@jsladenumuno Жыл бұрын
I have to do just this job for my Cowells gizmos (and FF230 like yours); thanks for showing the design. One comment though, I don't know how Proxxon lathe achieves its thread cuts, but man, I clench every time I see your thread cuts -seems real fast to me! I guess I do use HSS for threads tho.
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe Жыл бұрын
I assume you mean the internal thread? That's the advantage of threading away from the chuck with carbide. Carbide cuts better at faster speeds, and cutting away from the chuck means there is no requirement to stop dead at exactly the correct point, so higher speeds are possible.
@jsladenumuno
@jsladenumuno Жыл бұрын
@@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe I should try a carbide thread cutter. Been making do with a couple of HSS ones; not sure my sharpening fixtures will be up to keeping them going in the longer term. The Cowells has a nice classic changegear setup (of course a Norden would be nicer, but it's so small I can't complain much), but the real killer feature is the backgear arrangement. Makes threadcutting slow and easy and lots of torque for turning bigger chunky bits like a flywheel.
@bertylramirez
@bertylramirez 4 жыл бұрын
This is one of the easiest to follow videos on this subject I've seen. Do you have a video on milling the actual cutter?
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The cutter itself is a commercially made one I ordered from eBay, almost certainly made in China.
@EmmaRitson
@EmmaRitson 6 жыл бұрын
awesome!!
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Emma! The little GoPro is a joy to use while machining. Way faster to set up than a full size camera, and sometimes I forgot it was there at all, and just left it running. The only downside was that I ended up with way more footage than usual, which made editing a bunch more work.
@greatsong2007
@greatsong2007 4 жыл бұрын
Waooo great work
@rossmcdonnell1035
@rossmcdonnell1035 4 жыл бұрын
450vc seems a little fast for the cutting speed to me. Is this ft/min rather than m/min? Great videos! Keep them coming
@sharkrivermachine
@sharkrivermachine 6 жыл бұрын
Good job, I like the new camera.
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve! I hope I've done the prize justice.
@tinker5349
@tinker5349 6 жыл бұрын
Oh one last thing about speeds, the larger the diameter you are turning the slower the speed and you may or may not have to consider surface feet per minute. I am not sure that matters much here everything has turned out just fine
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip. The diameter I put into the Sandvik app was the maximum diameter of the stock, which should give me an idea of the safe limit. As the part gets smaller, the optimal rpm will get higher I think, or is there something wrong with my approach?
@skoulatos
@skoulatos 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice design and video, thanks for sharing! May I ask which app you are using on your phone for calculating speeds etc? It also looked interesting!
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 4 жыл бұрын
The app is TurnCalc published by Sandvik Coromant. Thanks for watching!
@skoulatos
@skoulatos 4 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe That's great, thanks for the answer! Is there an equivalent app for milling that you can recommend? cheers!
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 4 жыл бұрын
@@skoulatos Sandvik also publish a MillCalc application, though the basic cutting speed calculation is the same. Most of the features of the app are targeted at big machine users, who need to work out feed rates, so not that useful for purely manual tiny machines.
@skoulatos
@skoulatos 4 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe Ok thanks a lot again! I will give them a try anyway :)
@plopprocks
@plopprocks 5 жыл бұрын
Love it! Quick question from a beginner: you're moving the compound while thread cutting. Wouldn't this offset the tool from the thread though?
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 5 жыл бұрын
The compound needs to be set at exactly the same angle as the thread surface. The reason for doing this is to ensure the tool only needs to cut on one surface.
@plopprocks
@plopprocks 5 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe Thank you! I didn't know that, I thought it could cut on both.
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 5 жыл бұрын
The tool _can_ cut on both faces, but it is more stable if it only has to cut on one. I find that my little lathe works much better if I set up the compound to cut on only one face.
@sonicbluecoupe
@sonicbluecoupe 5 жыл бұрын
I need a little lathe like this
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 5 жыл бұрын
I agree! :)
@lanceblack888
@lanceblack888 4 жыл бұрын
Is this a Proxxon PD250e lathe and would you recommend it? Thanks 🙏
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 4 жыл бұрын
It is a PD 250/e, and I've just finished writing a comment answering a similar question, so I'll copy and paste my answer from there: I would recommend it. The build quality is very high, and it arrived ready for immediate use. I've never had to do any maintenance work in around 4 years. Just keep it clean, and well lubricated. However, I would add two warnings: 1. This lathe is small. If you want to do a lot of work on material over 20mm, the lathe is going to struggle, and probably suffer wear and tear. Make sure the work you have in mind fits a lathe this size. 2. It is a lot more expensive than easily avalable lathes. If you have a limited budget, and can follow all the videos on improving cheap chineses lathes, you can get a decent lathe for much less, but you will have done a lot of the work yourself.
@lanceblack888
@lanceblack888 4 жыл бұрын
Adventures with a Very Small Lathe thanks, that’s most helpful. I got a 150 but the chuck wouldn’t even open with the ridiculous little screws supplied for the job, so I sent it back. The 250 looks to have a proper chuck key, so I’ll try and buy a 250 next! I don’t need a big lathe, but the 150 is for a child or someone who loves microscopic equipment.
@CMAenergy
@CMAenergy 5 жыл бұрын
I was going to tell you there is a much simpler an easier way to have a accurate an true alignment for your cutter Put the item to be turned true to the spindle in the mill. And put a lathe cutter in the vice an just mill the cutter true in the mill. It turns out perfectly every time, and you don't have to be concerned about a fraction of run out that the lathe has,
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 5 жыл бұрын
That's a cool suggestion, but it seems likely that the alignment would only be as good as the run-out in the mill spindle collet? It would be perfectly accurate the first time, but if I removed the tool, then put it back in the spindle, it would be slighly off within the range of the runout of the mill spindle.
@bostedtap8399
@bostedtap8399 5 жыл бұрын
@@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe If I may comment, CMAenergy offers a good solution, but you are correct in stating that the repeatability of milling spindle collet is less than satisfactory. However, truing by machining in the mill ( or other machine where applicable) is a regonised technique, when high accuracy is required, and high precision equipment is not available, then truing up the datum clamp face is a necessary evil, usually can be performed several times, but truing up the cutter diameter can be omitted. My first experience of this technique, was during my apprenticeship in late 1970s when I had to machine a 900 mm long thin bronze wear strip (circa 38 X 6 mm section) parallel on the 6.00 mm dimension to 0.03 mm. This was on a shaper, and a thick pre-drilled steel beam was clamped in the vice, then indicated/ set parallel to the shaper stroke, then a light cut was taken to create a perfect flat plane ( even if the shaper does not develop a true geometric plane). Using the pre-drilled counter sink holes in the bronze, it is screwed to the beam, then machine down to required thickness. Hope this helps, and many thanks for sharing.
@chrysny413
@chrysny413 4 жыл бұрын
What app was that for finding feeds and speeds?
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe
@AdventureswithaVerySmallLathe 4 жыл бұрын
TurnCalc or MillCalc from Sandvik Coromant.
@chrysny413
@chrysny413 4 жыл бұрын
Adventures with a Very Small Lathe never expected to hear from the man himself! Thanks for getting back to me. I really love every aspect of your videos. Thank you.
@rajeshbedia7582
@rajeshbedia7582 4 жыл бұрын
Ph65 homer ka part bejo
@teguhjayatehnik5969
@teguhjayatehnik5969 Жыл бұрын
Profesi nya sama om
@ClownWhisper
@ClownWhisper 2 жыл бұрын
Get a full size lay then you'll never look back.
@trischas.2809
@trischas.2809 4 жыл бұрын
Since you got that gear cutter, and now the chinese Mini Lathe... Why not make your own replacement gears from a proper metal?!
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