Interview with the voice/motion capture actors and developers of the game Alan Wake II. Source: / remedygames
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@NekoHibaCosplay6 ай бұрын
Sam Lake is just one of the best game writers of this generation. I think it's insulting to call him the European Kojima, not because he's better or worse by any means, it's just like that there is no one like Kojima as much as there is no one like Sam Lake.
@Ali-li8we6 ай бұрын
Well said. They have styles that work for them and them only when writing these games.
@kida43135 ай бұрын
Kojima can't write women. Don't know why, but we would never see a female character as nuanced as Saga in a Kojima game.
@bondrewdthenovel35985 ай бұрын
@@kida4313 Imagine compare Saga with "The Boss"....
@jcp1984again5 ай бұрын
@@kida4313 , I have to disagree. Death Stranding has many incredible nuanced female characters. A character doesn't have to be the protagonist to be nuanced.
@Shinu_Pain4 ай бұрын
Very well said and I do agree, however, I think it's more towards them both being in the same caliber. Both are completely different in their own way, but both are really good when it comes to writing new concepts and fucking with our mind lol.
@gamemaster16086 ай бұрын
Lads, we're one step closer to see Dr Darling, Jesse Faden and Alan Wake in the same room
@laurelaay6 ай бұрын
Ilkka seems to be an incredibly gentle person.
@kida43135 ай бұрын
Until he suddenly becomes Mr. Scratch ;)
@TheGamersGrotto5 ай бұрын
He is. He is very kind
@NUBF4 ай бұрын
@@kida4313oh I wish 🥲
@SakugaObscurious7 ай бұрын
Ilka acknowledging the Jake Gyllenhaal and Keanu Reeves comparisons completely caught me by surprise 😄. Also would be really cool if Jake Gyllenhaal played Alan in a live-action TV series.
@brandonadair96986 ай бұрын
look him up on google jake gyllenhaal shows up in his photos
@ichimarugin19956 ай бұрын
Why Jake when there is yet the real Alan Wake Ilka Villi? 😅
@TeemuSintonen6 ай бұрын
LMAO, budget Jake Gyllenhaal / Keanu Reeves 😂 Ilkka Villi is such a great sport! ❤
@jarg86 ай бұрын
@@ichimarugin1995I think the one concern there is how a general audience will handle a main actor's voice being dubbed over with lip syncing. Its a non issue for me in AW2 because I love the way Alan looks and I think its a striking choice but its noticable more often than I'd like to admit in a way that is difficult to imagine for a whole show
@mcsisawesome6 ай бұрын
I think Bradley Cooper also would be great casting
@PieOfEpicness6 ай бұрын
Ilkka looking at everybody like he's in love with them 🥺
@Moshugaani7 ай бұрын
Heh, it's weird to see the OG face of Max Payne speaking with a totally different voice! :D It's great to see the devs behind the games. Remedy is a treasure of Finland!
@penyuwan6 ай бұрын
I like he talked behind the dear mask tied to a chair bit.
@marinousi225 ай бұрын
I’m a really big fan of Alan Wake. I’ve been so inspired by the experience that next year I’m moving to Finland to study game development. 😅 I will work very hard so I can hopefully be a part of Alan Wake 3 or 4. Well, at least that’s my dream…
@blvnkq4 ай бұрын
that’s so cool. i’ve been wanting to act for as long as i can remember but alan wake introduced me to video game or mocap acting and i’ve realised it would be a dream to do…
@marinousi224 ай бұрын
I hope everything you wish comes true! Good luck!@@blvnkq
@blvnkq4 ай бұрын
@@marinousi22 same for you!! the arts are unfortunately a tricky industry :(
@billybongthornton4 ай бұрын
good luck my man, you can do everything in your life if you really want it
@ausoll16475 ай бұрын
Is it just me, but does Sam Lake look like he is a super realistic cgi rather than real person
@maryz931919 сағат бұрын
I think it's because folks in my generation (millennial) we've seen him so often in games our whole life that he kind of feels like seeing Mickey Mouse in real life lol.
@MSquared1357 ай бұрын
Their Finnish flavorings present since their start in the 1990s is a big part of what makes their games special.
@blues35317 ай бұрын
I was originally really disappointed when they showed that it would be 2 characters and two separate narratives and now I'm so happy they did that. 1. Saga's story is extremely fun to play through. I'm actually enjoying her side almost more than Alan's. And 2. 16:30 the dev mentions how it was important to get both worlds in the game, and that hadn't even crossed my mind. If we got AW2 13 years later and the whole game took place in the dark place with Alan trying to escape and we never got to see Bright Falls in this new engine it would be a huge disappointment.
@Andre_APM6 ай бұрын
It definitely helps the game feel fresh. Switching between Saga and Alan while their dual storylines play out.
@antroidi72836 ай бұрын
I know right! Saga's gameplay is more like original Alan Wake and I really enjoy it. Even though I really like the more complex gameplay with Alan also.
@BangerSoundtracks6 ай бұрын
I was exactly the same, I thought it was going to be another Last of Us II situation where we're forced to play a character we don't want to play, but Saga is an awesome likable character and the two worlds and gameplay styles make it so much fun.
@dereklucht48116 ай бұрын
I liked Saga's gameplay. But for the 3rd one I hope its at least 75% playing as Alan. I feel like I didn't get to play enough with the character the game is actually named after
@DrasticSkuba4 ай бұрын
Saga also serves as a great instrument of storytelling for newcomers that never played the original. They learn about The Dark Place alongside Saga
@MrSwitchblade3276 ай бұрын
Sam Lake and Remedy games must be protected at all cost!!
@tahshish44687 ай бұрын
man sam lake face is so iconic
@diegoramos276 ай бұрын
Because he was mad max?
@dissuede69496 ай бұрын
@@diegoramos27Mad Max? Lmao. U mean Max Payne?
@diegoramos276 ай бұрын
@@dissuede6949 I meant Max Payne lol
@ahmadrajput69536 ай бұрын
for me if i had a chance i want to shake hands with every single one of the team behind alan wake 2 and thank them and congratulate them for making such an amazing and wholesome game massive massive respect for the cast they really put there heart on this one bravo i loved every minute of this i hope to play alan wake 3 soon im 28 now and i played alan wake 1 when i was around 16 year i wish they dont take 10 years i want it soon
@SolidBoss76 ай бұрын
Next is Max Payne! If you haven't experienced that franchise you need to. Also, Quantum Break was outstanding.
@FenrisSkoll5 ай бұрын
It's a great game but it's a shame the narrative sucked. Nothing paid off by the end of the game, it all just fell completely flat after so much build-up. No payoff.
@ahmadrajput69533 ай бұрын
@@SolidBoss7 played all
@Batman007856 ай бұрын
The music and the sound effect in this game is one of the best, the music will give you hint that something is coming and the sound effect will let you scared while you play as Saga or Alan.... as young filmmaker i think this is one of my best games as horror mystery game
@sarahbearbabygirl5 ай бұрын
one thing i specifically love about AW2 is how in most of the game you can CHOOSE to switch between Saga and Alan’s POVs when you want to! in most games with multiple POVs or main characters (especially cinematic games) there is no way to choose how you want to pace out each character’s arch, or what sections you want to play at different times, and that can make you feel railroaded or maybe even bored if you’re just not in the mood for that specific vibe. while i love both the mind-bending spirals of the dark place and Saga’s methodical searching and discovery through Bright Falls, they are two very different types of gameplay with distinct pacing and mood. either would get tiring if we had to play one in its entirety before playing the other, or could be frustrating if remedy had decided when we had to be in either perspective and we personally didn’t like how they spaced the sections out. being able to choose elevated this game a lot for me. i found myself in AW2 switching quite frequently because i loved both stories so much and would be wondering about how the developments on Saga’s side effected Alan’s side and vice versa. or in playing through one side I’d have time to ruminate on some of the stuff from the other side, and then come to a conclusion or theory about the side i wasn’t playing that I wouldn’t have thought of if I didn’t get the time to step outside of it for a while. it’s all very fucking cool and extremely well done.
@angeljimenezmarte295 ай бұрын
Remedy.. you are artists. They are what the industry should be today. Thank you for this work of art as is Alan Wake II and for the other games
@curiositytax93604 ай бұрын
More video games should be made with story as focus but this game was not that good. Art? You sound just as pretentious as this game was. Eye rollingly bad at times and it became deathly boring as it just felt like one big cutscene. They tried to copy what Lynch does or Nic Roeg and it was quite frankly embarrassing. The dark place? Mr scratch? All terrible ideas. I just wanted it to end.
@angeljimenezmarte294 ай бұрын
@@curiositytax9360 I understand your point of view and also your feelings towards the game, since the first ending is somewhat bland. Remember that we all have different points of view. I don't mean to be pretentious, many concepts of this game were already carried by the first one so they had to follow those steps. For me, personally, at Remedy they are artists in their own way and I have a lot of appreciation for them since the 2000s when I met them.
@Jim26D4 ай бұрын
For those playing, before you leave the movie theatre in game, make sure you watch the film that plays. It's 15 minute movie that you can easily miss
@G4M3RGU1D34 ай бұрын
i'm playing through the last draft and I missed it the first time, I sure will
@Jim26D4 ай бұрын
@@G4M3RGU1D3 I just started last draft tonight. Going to try to find that deer head I missed. I'll watch the film again as well
@curiositytax93604 ай бұрын
And prolong this game any further? I just wanted it to end. Quite frankly, I felt embarrassed playing it at times. Terrible writing, story, visuals. This is a major major step down from cinema. Felt like it was trying to be adult but was more toddler like. Mr scratch? The dark place? It’s laughable.
@beckettshaw6603 ай бұрын
@@curiositytax9360bait used to be believable
@SignalBlue7 ай бұрын
Game is nothing short of amazing. 👏 🤩
@bluthexer91526 ай бұрын
Maybe the best game of the last 13 years. I am sooo shoked how good it is, Alan wake 2 is a masterpiece of it's own. Please, ... .. .. dear devs, make Alan Wake 3 :) :)
@MoonScythe15 ай бұрын
Dear devs, please don't wait another 13 years.
@andreobastos5 ай бұрын
It was hinted in the Mr.Door show that Alan Wake fans are eager for the completion of the trilogy... Looks at the camera and asks "a book called Return, perhaps?"
@Pir-o5 ай бұрын
Control 2 first
@josuerestrepo14762 ай бұрын
God of war 2018 it's the Game of the century
@Pir-o2 ай бұрын
@@josuerestrepo1476 good game but not even close
@Showdax6 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this game overall. Got spooked several times and that paranoia they mention definitely got to me as well. Such a twisting story and I really enjoyed it. Tickled my brain in just the right way. The only thing I could've used more of was time with Wake. I enjoyed what we had, but after 13 years, of course I'm going to want more of him. :) Thanks for all the behind the scenes! Lovely seeing so much cast and crew together talking about this.
@curiositytax93604 ай бұрын
Watch some David Lynch or Nic Roeg films. This game was painful.
@zelkuta6 ай бұрын
I'm as impressed with this game as I was with the first bioshock when it first released. Massive respect to the team.
@curiositytax93604 ай бұрын
Come on. This is terrible compared to bioshock. The first game of Alan wake was much much better. This felt quite embarrassing at times. Mr Scratch? The dark place? Very weak. And boring. Not enough gameplay.
@d1jal6 ай бұрын
Sam is so charismatic. No wonder actors keep working with Remedy
@Cinetyk6 ай бұрын
This is very early on the video but the line "it's a story you're not told, it's a story you play" resonated so much to me after finishing the game and remembering all my journeys with the multiple Remedy games. I feel like this is low key been my constant thing with their games even if sometimes the games don't feel the most bombastic over the top famous games of all time like GTA or something. There's an intimate quality to playing and experiencing it that's truly meaningful over time to me.
@user-sj8to3un3l3 ай бұрын
It still feels unreal that the game exsist. That it is amazing. The graphics, story, characters, atmosphere, game mechanics, sound design. The story expamded amd impoved. The characters too. The world is beautiful. I fell in love with Alan wake. Loved everything I named about Alan wake 2 in Alan Wake 1 aswell. It was so orginal and unique. Had a great story, characters and atmosphere. Love the setting of Bright Falls. The game mechnics were fun. It had good horror elements and it told a great story. Also about halfway through they cranked up the intensity and amount of taken trying to ambush you. It was a unique experience. I pretty much gave up on a sequel. After playing it and beatng it on normal. Then on hard 2x collected all the stashes, nursery rhymes, amd lunchboxes and now I'm just past the 1st overlap on NG+ I am not disappointed. I love the game. It went in a different direction than I expected. The story and the characters but not in a bad way. The swap to survival/horror was the right move. The boss fights are all fun and different from one another. Saga amd her game mechanics are fun and smart ideas. Alan Wakes Mechanics and world is also very cool. The story wouldn't have worked without a second protagonist.. i didn't know how I felt about it at first but with the story they are telling it was the best choice. The seamless transition from game to live action is a great idea and it is orginal. There is plenty of horror. Intense moments. Weird moments. Confusion and mystery. It still feels unreal that after 11 years (played Alan Wake for the first time in 2012) and pretty much giving up on this game that it finally happened and it lived up to the hype. For me at least
@shelsodone4 ай бұрын
Playing the game is surreal, nostalgic, entertaining and entertaining. No other sequel has offered the same payoff. In remedy we trust.
@improudofyou32126 ай бұрын
I liked the game so much. Would gladly read a book like that. Great job, I just discovered Sam Lake and I think he is a brilliant writer. I also saw some negative comments, well I think the details, the graphics, the story and the characters of the game easily cover all the imperfections. The Rock-Musical alone is legit my favourite of all the time. Thank you team Remedy, Sam Lake and Ilkka Villi for letting us see this masterpiece.
@Past_Reflection6 ай бұрын
The game is a masterpiece I’m glad that this is the Alan Wake 2 we got
@dannooooooo5 ай бұрын
woooooow wait a fuckin minute. That's not the actors voice? I thought the actor was just the voice actor... holy fuck, how did they ADR that so well in game.
@SebbS826 ай бұрын
What a game! More of this! Thanks Remedy and the actors! Thanks to the Old Gods of Asgard!
@user-ck6hn2te2l5 ай бұрын
Насколько же круто стать частью такой большой вовлеченной команды! Пожалуй, каждый мечтал бы о такой работе
@Cypeq6 ай бұрын
Those years made Alan Wake 2 better in many ways. I think Remedy and Sam had to learn some lessons, Control and then Alan Wake 2 shows studio at their best. Remedy is just special, nobody can make Remedy like game. They're doing the thing that is so uniquely their own and exciting to get your hands on.
@pokemonmusiclover56 ай бұрын
14:56 awww. Ilkka looks so cozy in his blanket.
@dacollbns63367 ай бұрын
What I love is of course Sam Lake , the original Max Payne, play as Alex Casey here r
@NcrashP4 ай бұрын
Alan Wake 2 was great, one of the games that will be remembered for years, I love horror games
@SolidMGSnake7 ай бұрын
Im honestly more excited about Control 2 now.
@Superschemer347 ай бұрын
That won’t be out until after Max Payne remake :)
@REKTNA6 ай бұрын
I'd like to see Max Payne be confirmed as part of the CONTROL and AW universe. I'd say he's his own Object of Power or taps into AWEs somehow which is why he can slow down time, even though he's not conscious of what he's doing. =]
@meguladon6 ай бұрын
Rockstar Games owns Max Payne now, so they can't particularly refer to him by name from what I understand. Thats why Alex Casey is a nod to Max, but not exactly the same.
@Ikaikiastar5 ай бұрын
They've HINTED so much about Max in Alan Wake 2 for example when *spoiler* Alan escapes the TV studio and runs into a police officer in New York dressed identically as Max Payne. They could pass it off as Casey but I'm pretty sure it's suggested to be Max Payne.
@curiositytax93604 ай бұрын
Video games need to get away from ‘universes’. It’s harmed cinema and it will harm these games. Just try and tell individual stories and not turn it into some dumb brand.
@DrezzyEFTP6 ай бұрын
Hopefully that won't take too long to make Alan Wake 3
@aygun783Ай бұрын
Amazing!!
@TVMAN19975 ай бұрын
I was worried about Saga’s story taking away from Wake’s but it actually works. He wrote her in to help save him.
@Bleedx93934 ай бұрын
True masterpiece
@The_JpD_Show4 ай бұрын
It’s my dream to play a control 2 with these graphics and this much love poured in to it
@FatalitY-yp3gf5 ай бұрын
Игра прям огонь 🔥, как все грамотно составлено. Браво создателям
@HoraceInkling6 ай бұрын
How is Sam Lake 53 but looks 33.
@raymonddjay28325 ай бұрын
I’am deeply in love with the Creativity and Remedy´s artworks
@curiositytax93604 ай бұрын
There is 120 years of cinema to dive into. This game was not good, truly. I loved the first one but here it became quite embarrassing. They tried to go deep and serious and fell flat on their faces. Compare this to something like twin peaks? It’s laughable. Plus, it was so boring. Felt like the game would never end. Not enough gameplay. It’s a game. Not some terrible interactive movie, which it felt like.
@oliwardcomics4 ай бұрын
when I heard there would be 2 protagonists in alan wake 2 I was a little worried but I should have known better. Remedy created a fantastic protagonist with Saga Anderson. she was great.
@Batman007856 ай бұрын
I like this game a lot
@ralphengland85596 ай бұрын
Alan Wake has to be in my top 10 games... pretty sure. I've never actually written a list. But its probably on it.
@seorancusi6 ай бұрын
Sam Lake is the man!
@Luvias04155 ай бұрын
I finished this game a couple weeks ago and I can't wait to get back into it when the DLC comes out. It's just SO GOOD!!!
@ghostmkc40456 ай бұрын
Game of the year for me
@bluecali4na4 ай бұрын
I enjoyed the live action scenes
@igodreamer70967 ай бұрын
Nice ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
@aldoeljardinero7 ай бұрын
We love Sam
@user-DAIQUAN7 ай бұрын
I think I remember you showing the cancelled orginal alan Wake 2
@dissuede69496 ай бұрын
Ilkas english pronounciation is really good for a scandinavian. Impressive.
@ShubhgoshereАй бұрын
I feel Sam Lake is on his way to becoming the next Hideo Kojima
@MrFlamethrower326 ай бұрын
The more i think about it. I think this was the most technically sound game ive played this year. To play with full path tracing and frame gen was a treat. I kinda wish they did more action parts like the concert portion. But i still enjoyed the game. Just dont ask me what the fuck the game is about because i still dont know
@davidhorsefall93046 ай бұрын
I just wish you could of driven the police car around town .but great game the graphics omg thank you for giving us next gen .least you listened to the players 🎉❤
@fuserX_5 ай бұрын
melanie is so adorable
@stolenname944 ай бұрын
Easily my goty for 2023
@danielschmid85304 ай бұрын
Max Payne looking fresh. To be honest since Max Payne 1 I did not pay attention to Max Payne or what else Sam Lake did. Seems like I got some catching up to do. He helped shape my teenage years.
@AM-uo2kf2 ай бұрын
Sam its fine it took 13 years, Twin Peaks the Return took 25!
@_yikestrada6 ай бұрын
Illka sounds like alan too, or is it scratch?
@dudestep5 ай бұрын
It’s Tom
@darkseid8566 ай бұрын
What an amazing fucking game.
@k4Z3695 ай бұрын
So if there is a flashlight and a thermos on the table do I dare to think that switch lite represents the clicker? :]
@seanwilliams58486 ай бұрын
Alan wake 2 will go down in history as one of the best games ever made
@nervtotend36896 ай бұрын
@Gronkh - für nächsten Sonntagsstream
@metalspreeАй бұрын
Master piece ! Sam, why not a game on Indian mythology?
@walidslimani6 ай бұрын
this game can win easily
@davidhorsefall93046 ай бұрын
Max pain revamp please .and we know it will be next gen x
@natooo83123 ай бұрын
Did Sam say a moose-tery? Also Saga is such a fantastic character, Melanie did so well!
@vahab91023 ай бұрын
Best Game in the 🌍
@amir.gholizade2 ай бұрын
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👏👏👏
@HoodeloodumGAME5 ай бұрын
8:32 Wake/Zane
@aditya320935 ай бұрын
Why did they show it like the story was over, arent they still in the dark place? Also theres still much more to do, about alan, alice, dr darling, tor and odin
@shaolinshred5 ай бұрын
20:45 did Sam Lake say Moose-tery? I see what you did there
@franciscorangel78214 ай бұрын
el chiste de keanu reeevs se hizo canon de golpe
@secularspectator3 ай бұрын
Returned Alan Wake - Returned Twin Peaks...hmmmmm :)
@nooralhakeem2 ай бұрын
They ruined everything for me by the fact that this game is only digital version , and it's not available where I live , so I'll have to wait until they decide to change that fact 😢
@Burrito9527Ай бұрын
0:28 Dwight Fairfield
@averageraiden99006 ай бұрын
13:50 none of them, it was Bradley Cooper!
@aygun783Ай бұрын
Where making of
@G4M3RGU1D34 ай бұрын
jake is more talented than Keanu
@direxps36 ай бұрын
They're a perfect match with PlayStation Studios... I wish...
@dee_the_bee37726 ай бұрын
Im Just sad that i cant Play the Game because they used too many Jumpscares and my heart dont endure them
@dudestep5 ай бұрын
They are really stupid. There are mods to remove them and hopefully the game makes an accessibility function so console players can too. However if you want to play now just look at the pictures they flash beforehand, once you realize they aren’t actually very scary or disturbing, and the only thing to be afraid of is just the initial “jolt” they feel much better. It’s a good game despite this silly (literally) cheap trick to create horror
@DB-yx5gx6 ай бұрын
How about release MaxPayne
@the1likesaf6 ай бұрын
Saga actress is great but you could really tell her American accent was fake. Especially when she would say “Anderson”.
@UberNoodle6 ай бұрын
It's not "fake". It's acting. You must have a terrible time watching movies considering that so many actors play characters with different accents to their own native one.
@4mIlr3 ай бұрын
repetitive gameplay with boring puzzles! 7/10
@The80Kat7 ай бұрын
I would have paid 85+ for a physical copy. I will not support at all a digital only release. Remedy doesn’t care about its true fans
@Superschemer347 ай бұрын
It was a financial decision
@SurzhenkoAndrii6 ай бұрын
You will have a chance.
@DrezzyEFTP6 ай бұрын
If you noticed, most of these companies are testing the water for digital only games and it saves alot of money considering they don't have to print artwork on physical copies, and not to mention, there's been a leak of the next generational consoles seems to be digital only
@MrSwapmeet16 ай бұрын
You have to support them monetarily or there won't be any more
@TheChilipepper776 ай бұрын
And because of people like you we probably won’t get an Alan wake 3, you’re not a true fan, a true fan would buy regardless
@vissarionovichsalinas45496 ай бұрын
Saga's campaign 10/10 Alan´s campaign zzzzz
@curiositytax93604 ай бұрын
This game was a chore to get through. I didn’t care about anyone and it wasn’t visual enough in any original way to pull me through. The writing was eye rollingly shit. The first game was much better because at least it embraced itself as a video game. And the mystery was fun. Video games compared to proper films are really embarrassing. And yet people seem to love this game? It’s very confusing. It was genuinely crap.
@davidhorsefall93046 ай бұрын
Sick of walking about boring .it's a sucks game and why o why does he have to have his face in game you get the feeling your Max pain .let down of a so called game very boring stage walk game 😢
@davidhorsefall93046 ай бұрын
It's that boring doing nothing just walking around bad let down 😢
@davidhorsefall93046 ай бұрын
They seem to be proud of this game why. We don't what the fuck lol wish I had bought Spiderman two now .
@petitecaptain85256 ай бұрын
Then why are you watching this if the game sucks?
@SteelSpurs6 ай бұрын
We do not care.
@shydreameress26429 күн бұрын
My guy clicks on a Behind the scenes video just to say he didn't like the game, man get a life
@Elias-lp1kh6 ай бұрын
walking simulator and trash performance
@UberNoodle6 ай бұрын
I'm sorry to hear that the game has bruised your fragile little ego so mercilessly. But it can only make you stronger, right?
@marcuspantoja97814 ай бұрын
Crazy how wrong that sentence was
@curiositytax93604 ай бұрын
@@UberNoodlebruised his ego? I thought this game would never end! Tarkovsky’s Stalker moves quicker than this try hard game. Terrible writing. Mr scratch? The dark place? It’s like it’s trying to be adult but comes off as the imagination of a 14 year old. Watch something like Lost Highway, Don’t Look Now. This was awful. Like one big interactive cut scene but the story is the level of a terrible tv show. And I loved the first game.
@nitaxxvi27 күн бұрын
Tbh the Finnish stuff in the game make me feel proud 😅 amazing people 🫶🏻
@tmod2316 ай бұрын
Just wish the game more about Alan than it was about Saga