Making The Best Speaker Cable For Money, How To DIY HiFi Cables

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Tharbamar

Tharbamar

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@Belas_Photography
@Belas_Photography 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your highly informative video. I especially appreciated the pacing of the information and detailed description of each step.
@garykarczewski6678
@garykarczewski6678 4 жыл бұрын
Like this choice of cables and build. Nice job! I am ordering the wire and other pieces to make my own new high end quality cables for my speakers!
@davidwiley6165
@davidwiley6165 4 жыл бұрын
Great job sir! I really like the extra effort on the nylon jacket and heat shrink tubing. Personally I made four 10 gauge banana plug wires to bi-amp my front floor standing B&W. After seeing your video I need to step up my game. Now I want to add nylon sheathing and heat shrinking tubing to my cables. Thank you for the how to
@mikerieck306
@mikerieck306 4 жыл бұрын
15:33 is funny. Thanks for the vid and info. Just ordered cable from Redco today and it will be here tomorrow as I live in Massachusetts (Redco in Connecticut). I bought the W 2921 14 gauge.....Redco was the only one to have that cable by the foot. Two years later these cables are working very well. Very satisfying to build your own cable. I'm going to look at your interconnect cable vid now.
@angelmelo350
@angelmelo350 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing us that idea in speaker cables DIY, I liked it, and I provably would try it too
@kantinansriprasert5999
@kantinansriprasert5999 4 жыл бұрын
After​ watching this video. I bought the Mogami w3104 with CMC pure copper banana plug and replace my old cable, the Van Den hul. It's so much difference. This new Mogami make me feel the hi quality​ cable in reasonable​ price. Thank you so much.
@kantinansriprasert5999
@kantinansriprasert5999 4 жыл бұрын
@@itsgiodudez I'm in Thailand, there is some company import from Japan to sell here. The CMC is a good banana​ plug​ too. So if you in The USA just​ find the cable in Part Express.
@agx502
@agx502 4 жыл бұрын
KInd thanks for your helpful video, I have ordered the plugs and some of Mogami W3104 from a pro-audio shop. Excellent video notes also, with a bill of materials, and all the relevant links, awesome work. I am very grateful for your help !!!!!
@spkaddict8675
@spkaddict8675 4 жыл бұрын
Hello, I'm very new to youtube so I'm sure I'm doing this all wrong. I just wanted to say thank you for the videos ! The "how to" videos are the best. I've built the Mogami W3104 Spk Cables that you taught me how to make ( they sound OUTSTANDING) & I've built the Oyaide Black Mamba Power Cable that you showed me . The power cable very much improved the bass of my system ! I can't wait to build something else I learn from you ! Your the BEST & your a Giants fan as well !
@donaldmackenzie2686
@donaldmackenzie2686 3 жыл бұрын
According to Audioholics, and I agree with them, the cable size (awg) you are using is an excellent choice for stereo speakers. I am pretty sure the president of Audioholics is an electrical engineer that has worked in communications so he understands how frequency affects cables. They have done different youtube videos on the subject of speaker cables and snake oil in the audio cable industry. Personally I think your speaker cables turned out great and are first class. Well done.
@everettspain2739
@everettspain2739 3 жыл бұрын
Two weeks into listening to my DIY 3104s and I must say I'm very impressed. I'm a huge 2 channel music guy and I love listening to my Martin Logans ESL X and dual 1100X. In my opinion the floor standing speaker list is VERY SHORT when comparing however they are also good revealing weaknesses in your system. The first 100hrs or so listening, the 3104s were muddy, poor sound stage, and subpar bass. Now into nearly 300hrs of signal passing through, it sounds like I've installed another set of cables. The center stage is wide but tight enough to pick out where each artist is onstage. I listened to some older music that I'm familiar with the detail and it was like WOW....hearing voice definition, breathing I haven't heard and the guitarist actually plucking the strings. I can continue writing but let me just say, as an audio/video enthusiasts, I've always "chased the dragon" trying to get the best sound possible from whichever system I had...and sometimes spending considerably more than putting the Mogami 3104s together. These by far are the best sounding cables I've listened to (in my system) for the money. Ended up making 2 pairs of 8' cables to bi-amp my speakers. Wish I could share a pick of the finished cables.
@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa3093
@tupuhumuhumunukunukuapuaa3093 Жыл бұрын
I almost reacted like "300hrs? You're bullsh!tt!n", then I remembered that to a lesser extent, a run of Audioquest speaker cable in my system took a while to settle in. My wife and I noticed it on some slack key guitar music about two months after I installed them. I wasn't running music all day long to break them in like I normally do with new components. Coherence was mainly the "issue". Some things like distortion, you can't get used to. So, I don't entirely buy the "you just get used to the sound" argument when it comes to break-in (it's a real thing folks). So, yeah, I'm going to try this build out, what the heck. I might even do two pairs and see if bi-wiring makes a difference. If it doesn't, it'll just look like it is doing something? :) I'm excited either way. Tekton Moab, PS Audio M700, Gustard A26, PS Audio P3, AudioQuest whatever XLR and speaker wire.
@guyboisvert66
@guyboisvert66 7 ай бұрын
There's no "break in" for cables dude...
@newsboyaudio
@newsboyaudio 2 жыл бұрын
I really like the cloth sheeting on it. I'm thinking of adding that to mine. It's really cool to have a thick wire, but I find the wire doesn't really matter. Outside of given the idea that they're good. I know some people feel it makes their sound better. So the confidence thicker wire gives is nice. Also, I love how a tick wire looks and feels. You did a great job.
@michaelbyrne8860
@michaelbyrne8860 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! I'm in the process of reforming & conning some old vintage speakers and adding vintage amplifiers & tuners systems and I am now realizing it's all for nothing if you don't have quality speaker wire Cables! I'm embarrassed about the spliced willy nilly wiring I do use! That was a great! no wait! a Fantastic video showing how to make a quality speaker jacks & speaker cables thank Sinn Fein Byrne
@England3942
@England3942 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir for making this video! Often times cables that look like these are sold for hundreds if not thousands of dollars, yet are likely made in a similar method to what you have shown. I look forward to trying this myself!
@67spankadelik
@67spankadelik 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent! Thanks for posting!
@larryschwartz9883
@larryschwartz9883 3 жыл бұрын
Thank for the speaker wire info. I made a pair of the Canare’s and they sound superb to anything else I have ever made.
@michaela.6698
@michaela.6698 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I have been watching your channel for a while now and thoroughly enjoy all of your videos. Thank you for sharing this great DIY on some great looking cables. I’m looking forward to making some very soon. Currently I’m using Blue Jean cables and I’m going to do some A/B testing. Good job buddy!
@jimbodee4043
@jimbodee4043 5 жыл бұрын
The pure richness of the thumbnail made watch this video and now I want to create my own speaker cables.
@moniqueduchossois1958
@moniqueduchossois1958 4 жыл бұрын
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@centinel6505
@centinel6505 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial thank you! I just made my own using 3103 cable. The sound opened and the bass got much clearer. Much cleaner sound
@phoebus
@phoebus 2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear it, I have some Mogami 3103 cable on the way. I been testing different cables for months and the best sounding one I found was the Mogami 3082 cables. They are very neutral and natural sounding but the wire gauge is little thin for my set up, so decided to go with the Mogami 3103. BTW the worst sounding speaker cables I tried were the Canare 4S11's. They had way too much midrange. People say they settle down after many hundreds of hours but I played them close to 200 hours and they still sounded the same, not willing to wait anymore. The Mogami 3082's also sounded like they had too much midrange at first too but they didn't take long to start sounding more full and after about 150 hours sounded great. I had the 3103's pre burned in. Any updates on your Mogami 3103 cables?
@centinel8944
@centinel8944 2 жыл бұрын
3103 is a great cable. You will enjoy it for sure. Here is my experience: It may sound a bit bright, but in a nice way and depending on your gear. Low bass is also enhanced, not so much the mid bass, and depending on the type of music or the recording it can be a good thing or not. With my EL34 bulb amp and tower speakers is great, I am very pleased with them. So balanced and coherent. Great soundstage and tridimensionality. With my solid state amp and bookshelf speakers, as I said, depends on the type of music, recording,etc. With some recordings the highs may sound forward and disconnected from the mids, sometimes feels compressed. With some other recordings the sound is very refined that makes me crank up the volume... addictive. That has been my experience, it’s worth trying, it’s a very very good cable.
@phoebus
@phoebus 2 жыл бұрын
@@centinel8944 Just got the Mogami 3103 cables today and have been listening to them with a variety of music and I've got to say I'm liking them a lot. I like a little brighter presentation, brings my 20 year old pair of DIY Dynaudio speakers alive. They are a 3 way design so already have a lot of detail the midrange and seem to be working just perfectly with the Mogami 3103 cables. The speakers are full range, but I'm using them as big satellites to go with a pair of Dynaudio 30w100 subs in stereo. In my experimenting I tried Supra Classic 6, they had a excellent soundstage and detail and were very easy to listen to but were too heavy on the bass and mid-bass. Also tried the Canare 4S11 as a I mentioned, tried the Mogami 3082 which are nice, but a little lacking in midrange energy, some Audio Quest type 6 wires which were OK, but I didn't find them to be all that musical and many other types of wire I had collected over the years, but played that old collection for about two minutes each and said nope. The Mogami 3103 cables seem to fall right about in the middle of Mogami 3082 wire that was a little too dark in the midrange and the Canare 4S11 that are too bright in the midrange and so far 3103 Mogami's seem to be the Goldilocks of speaker cables, just right. I considered the 3104 wire but was worried being basically the same design that they might sound like the Canare 4S11 (maybe somebody could comment on that) and besides 4mm wire although Mogami lists it as 12 gauge is really much closer to 11 gauge and is plenty thick enough for my relatively short run. I did get the 3103's pre burned and froze. From my experience wires do "burn in" and no it's not just me getting used to the sound. I ran the Canares for almost 200 hours and never heard a change, but with Supra and the Mogami 3082's I did, the Audio Quest had already been used for years so they were already fully burned in. I don't know about the Cryo thing, but it was part of the deal and couldn't hurt, so why not.
@tangomarty
@tangomarty Жыл бұрын
@@phoebus could you provide the measurement of the wraps, braiding, that correspond to what was used in this video when using the mogami 3103 instead? thanks.
@daeladub
@daeladub 4 жыл бұрын
I'm entry level (y rx-v685 pushing polk t-series on 12g unshielded wires) but as I upgrade I want to diy where I can. This video is exactly what I needed. Thanks
@ajvboston1
@ajvboston1 4 жыл бұрын
Nice! Thank You for sharing! I also like the other video confirming the findings between cables.
@Telemed911
@Telemed911 4 жыл бұрын
I am going to build my own cable after looking at speaker cables in the $2 - $4K range (too much dough). BTW, for those who suggest that this is too much for a home stereo system, it all depends on the system. If one is using 1 kW+ power amplifiers and have clean and/or well-conditioned source power, these will be great and are not overkill. Excellent video!
@seanevanslovesdrums
@seanevanslovesdrums 3 жыл бұрын
It is likely to be overkill, it depends on what the impedance is and cable length really. It would have to be a crazy long length for it not to be overkill for most 8 Ohm runs.
@xsonicpunkx
@xsonicpunkx 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome job. I really enjoyed watching you work.
@54788963
@54788963 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you dude! I will check it out and maybe make one for my speaker later.
@fehllyy
@fehllyy 4 жыл бұрын
If you want the sleeving to be taught and not as loose on the cable, you can melt the ends of it to the insulation in conjunction with the heat shrink, sleeved custom PSU cable tutorials are a great guide
@Jaryd003
@Jaryd003 5 ай бұрын
I’ve just finished making my Mogami w3104 cable and it’s magical 😍 BUY IT !
@filipandre2927
@filipandre2927 5 жыл бұрын
That cable could power a whole house, very nice!
@Marcel1979K
@Marcel1979K 3 жыл бұрын
Yes and it is completely useless.
@beslemeto
@beslemeto 3 жыл бұрын
@@Marcel1979K Why useless?
@Blindpulitzer11
@Blindpulitzer11 3 жыл бұрын
@@Marcel1979K useless nah, way overkill yes
@Marcel1979K
@Marcel1979K 3 жыл бұрын
@@Blindpulitzer11 they are useless
@agylub
@agylub 5 жыл бұрын
I use 0.8mm solid silver slipped through medical Teflon tubing. Surprisingly cheap and because it’s shiny it’s great for the higher frequencies
@Viking-ou8fc
@Viking-ou8fc 4 жыл бұрын
I watch a lot of video on speaker wires , amps , and speakers .I love your channel the best as you have a great ear for sound and actually look at all the good and bad before making a dicission. Thank you for a great channel . I wish I could get the denon amp you ordered from Japan but I am scared as I don't want to be screwed if something goes wrong . My future speakers are going to be sonus fabre olympica nova 5 , and hope I can soon
@AquaFreak
@AquaFreak 4 жыл бұрын
Nice tutorial, and I love the look of the cable and speaker banana
@optimusvader7823
@optimusvader7823 4 жыл бұрын
WELL DONE , THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US HOW TO DO A GREAT REFERENCE CABLE FOR A FRACTION OF THE PRICE OF OTHERS ( COMPARE TO KIMBER KABLE ) .
@pmAdministrator
@pmAdministrator 4 жыл бұрын
Dawg, you look a little crazy, if you keep writing all caps like this.
@skunk12
@skunk12 4 жыл бұрын
@@pmAdministrator but ALL CAPS means its TRUE!
@blackknight7017
@blackknight7017 3 жыл бұрын
@@pmAdministrator ...WHAT'S CRAZY ABOUT ALL CAPS...YOU ARE THE LEMMING....CONFORMING TO THE CROWD
@steve121758
@steve121758 3 жыл бұрын
@@pmAdministrator looks fine to me
@TeleBass1
@TeleBass1 4 жыл бұрын
Great Video!! Thank You for the instructions! Take care, Randy
@rajkrish9347
@rajkrish9347 3 жыл бұрын
Great video man. In a stroke of excitement, i just ordered the Mogami cable, Parts Express plugs to connect my Audiolab MBs to Elac Unifi UF52. Now am thinking of how to tackle my gf when she notices those monstrous cables 😀
@jajessee
@jajessee 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your time and effort
@sphaera3809
@sphaera3809 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome tutorial! I’m with you, I mostly only use pro cables. The only exception is Supra, I find their power cords excellent. I also like their shielded speaker cables - I find some class D amps sound better with shielded speaker cables. One could also shield a professional speaker cable by manually adding a copper shield over the cable and covering it with the nylon mesh. Now I’m inspired to try the Mogami speaker cables. I’ll build a pair to try... :-D
@jakephilbrick7384
@jakephilbrick7384 2 жыл бұрын
You should probably avoid shielded speaker cables as it drives up the capacitance of the cable dramatically. And since the signal isn't getting amplified after those cables, shielding isn't really going to do a whole lot unless you are in a VERY noisy environment. That being said, if you think its sounds better that way, that's all that really matters.
@a.vonende7885
@a.vonende7885 4 жыл бұрын
Great cable. Thanks for the tutorial. I just finished building a pair and the soundquality is very good
@lupavalo2000
@lupavalo2000 4 жыл бұрын
Which banana plugs do you used it? I can't find the one he recommended for this thick cables.
@a.vonende7885
@a.vonende7885 4 жыл бұрын
@@lupavalo2000 KÁCSA® AUDIO BPGOLD TUBE BFA
@OzSteve
@OzSteve 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Thank you for showing on how to make it. Gonna make myself some now
@worms141414
@worms141414 4 жыл бұрын
I warmly welcome. Thank you very much for this guide. I have already ordered all the pieces of the puzzle. Waiting for them to reach me. I am very curious how this cable will fall out against the background of Nordost Red Dawn LS. I'll let you know how. Happy New Year.
@asifhasnain6852
@asifhasnain6852 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! I made this cable and have installed it on my system. These sound more transparent than a set of PS Audio cables that I had been using for a decade. And they are really easy to handle due to flexibility. Thanks a lot!
@mark_nz
@mark_nz 4 жыл бұрын
I've always been troubled that my MIT AVT1 biwire goes from two connectors to four, so this looks like a great way to get four connections at both ends and test whether that cable is really all that great!
@MrWkendwarrior
@MrWkendwarrior 5 жыл бұрын
Like your easy explanations....true DIYers need patient teachers with an attention to process, detail, materials and required time...to make an outstanding product.....Cables are pro grade in function and quality of build, a pleasure to look at and listen too....please do more DIY videos, maybe interconnects next?
@Tharbamar
@Tharbamar 5 жыл бұрын
Yes I will be making a few more DIY cables, Thank you.
@Chapterrifik
@Chapterrifik 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome work here my friend 👌
@nathanielbolden5053
@nathanielbolden5053 5 жыл бұрын
Beautiful!...im gonna make some for my home theatre speakers!...theyre only 2 conductor though!
@MonsieurCorbusier
@MonsieurCorbusier 3 жыл бұрын
Did you do it Nathaniel?
@briancullen8506
@briancullen8506 3 жыл бұрын
I am a believer in cable differences. Thank you for showing us your speaker build. After installing your cable, I find that the volume control on my Parasound Halo P5 pre-amp responds more precisely presenting music across the sound stage. Very nice response!
@MarkoVukovic0
@MarkoVukovic0 Жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you! That's some serious cable! I would suggest also using adhesive heat shrink, then it will never come loose.
@zeusodin581
@zeusodin581 2 жыл бұрын
I made these cables yesterday. Amazing! They replaced a pair of $2k WireWorld Eclipse 8 cables. I. Am. So. Impressed! Thank you so much. I recommend the locking banana plugs as regular bananas sometimes are too tight and eventually break at some point. Could you create a video on making 3 x 12 AWG (or larger) XLR cables? Amazing work. Thank you again.
@Tharbamar
@Tharbamar 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience.
@PhyrexJ
@PhyrexJ Жыл бұрын
You bought wires for 2k? Lol
@1skintyte
@1skintyte 5 жыл бұрын
Great video my man👍🏽👊🏽
@bogie1971
@bogie1971 4 жыл бұрын
Wow thanks for the video i am going to build these soon. 6 AWG is awesome for speaker cables these cables should have very little resistance.
@Sirflatch
@Sirflatch 5 жыл бұрын
Very Good Video, Thank You for making it !!!!
@gregorypellar6236
@gregorypellar6236 4 жыл бұрын
I recently went to Guitar Center and picked up a Mogami mic cable for XLR connections and was blown away with the quality of sound for the money. Easily comparable to cables costing 10 times as much.
@seans1102
@seans1102 4 жыл бұрын
Im building a set of these...thanks for the idea and tutorial.
@BabeTheAstrologer
@BabeTheAstrologer 3 жыл бұрын
Was it easy to do?
@OrganNLou
@OrganNLou 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent! I also suggest Supra cables from Sweden which are VERY low capacitance. I tinned the endings with Cardas silver solder and I will use Rhodium pins on the end. The Supra is affordable and VERY good quality.
@Darrellsrelm
@Darrellsrelm 3 жыл бұрын
I love your videos you do great work! Thanks for sharing
@boogiemanspud
@boogiemanspud 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Would having separately shielded wires make a difference? I know on analog video signals (especially unamplified), shielded of utmost importance. If you run unamplified video signal for any distance close to a pcb, there is a ton of video interference. Once amplified, the video signal isn't as susceptible to interference. I don't know how susceptible speaker wires are (probably not nearly as sensitive since it's an amplified signal at that point).
@flyingjeff1956
@flyingjeff1956 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work. Shrink tubing comes in various "shrinkage" ratios, maybe that will help someone.
@jimmymac601
@jimmymac601 4 жыл бұрын
Just ask George Costanza.
@guillermozepeda9967
@guillermozepeda9967 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimmymac601 I was in the pool!
@liamcusack5475
@liamcusack5475 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome cable and fantastically explained. Thank You.
@sabiondocolors325
@sabiondocolors325 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job. Just , thank you for the video and your time !
@MohrMi
@MohrMi 4 жыл бұрын
What about the Mogami W2921? Is it comparable or competitive to the W3104? Which would you prefer between W2921 and W3103? Thanks for sharing your knowledge!!!
@IliyaOsnovikov
@IliyaOsnovikov 4 жыл бұрын
I would rather connect together in pairs the opposite wires (yellow-red and orange-brown). In that case you would get the so-called star-quad configuration often used in microphone cables to make them more noise resistant. Also star-quad is used by Audio Quest in many of it's speaker cables.
@Tharbamar
@Tharbamar 4 жыл бұрын
These cables are starquad.
@gz4058
@gz4058 Жыл бұрын
What's the difference as long as you keep the cable colors consistent???.
@IliyaOsnovikov
@IliyaOsnovikov Жыл бұрын
@@gz4058 Please Read in Wikipedia what is the so-called Star-Quad cable configuration.
@gz4058
@gz4058 Жыл бұрын
@@IliyaOsnovikov I don't know this particular cable and colors but you are suggesting that the pairs that the OP used aren't diametrically opposed to each other?
@IliyaOsnovikov
@IliyaOsnovikov Жыл бұрын
@@gz4058Yes.
@talisman5150
@talisman5150 2 жыл бұрын
Just built my own today according to your specs, thanks for the template video 💪👌
@Tharbamar
@Tharbamar 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@brendtmontgomery6545
@brendtmontgomery6545 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting. Great video!
@williamholsey
@williamholsey 3 жыл бұрын
As a electrician, cutting into a sheath like they damaged the conductors, your can use aS/O cord stripper to strip that without damaging the wires inside.
@joaomanuelfabiaodasilva6854
@joaomanuelfabiaodasilva6854 5 жыл бұрын
Great video!!!!
@sergelanglois753
@sergelanglois753 3 жыл бұрын
Realy Nice and good wires for a Low cost. 👍🏽🤩👍🏽. I m in and i ll tryd it. Thanks my friend 🙏🏼
@baldeagle7604
@baldeagle7604 4 жыл бұрын
I just purchased everything to make some of these. Thanks for the useful video.
@pabsgabs
@pabsgabs 3 жыл бұрын
So how is the sound? better than what you had? Im thinking about making them. thanks.
@baldeagle7604
@baldeagle7604 3 жыл бұрын
@@pabsgabs still haven't made them. Everything is sitting in a box lol.
@pabsgabs
@pabsgabs 3 жыл бұрын
@@baldeagle7604 That would be me too lol... Do I need the sleeve or is it just for looks? I usually dont use any banana plugs either, can I just buy the cable? thanks!
@baldeagle7604
@baldeagle7604 3 жыл бұрын
@@pabsgabs the sleeves are cosmetic. You can def just buy the cable. Pretty thick stuff to twist together. I'd go either spade or banana.
@frumfonselderlotgerade423
@frumfonselderlotgerade423 4 жыл бұрын
Hello! Can you make a comparison between your reference speaker cables from Mogami and a regular H07RN-F 4x4mm2 copper powercable for 2 or 3 EUR each meter? I believe that you won't find huge differences. Okay, the color code on the single wires.... ;-)
@jameslester6785
@jameslester6785 3 жыл бұрын
I have done A/B testing with different types of plugs. Brass is a no go. I could definitely hear a difference between brass and copper. So, if you have a choice use copper connectors, preferably copper spades.
@Lulrii
@Lulrii 3 жыл бұрын
James Lester maybe bare wire without any spades or plugs is better than any of them?
@jameslester6785
@jameslester6785 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lulrii Absolutely.
@mackenziedesrouleaux680
@mackenziedesrouleaux680 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video now I’m going to make my own set.
@2ChannelAudio
@2ChannelAudio 4 жыл бұрын
Thankyou for this video !
@isettech
@isettech 5 жыл бұрын
There are 4 main physical and mechanical properties that all need addressed for "High Quality" speaker cables. 1 Resistance (not nominal impedance). This affects the ability of the amp to deliver power and provide damping to the speaker. Resistance is related to material, and length. "skin effect" is a non issue at audio frequencies but is a radio frequency property. Shorter is better. Larger is better. 2 Capacitance. This affects the current drawn by the cable to charge the space between conductors when voltage is applied. This is a per unit of length, conductor diameter, and insulation material in regards to it's dielectric constant. Shorter is better. Smaller conductors is better. Low dielectric constant insulation is better. 3 Inductance. Inductance is the inverse of capacitance. It is the expanding magnetic field around a conductor as current flows. This is a per unit of length factor only. Resistance and insulation do not affect this. 4 Dielectric absorption. This is the heating of the dielectric material as it absorbs energy from the changing electric field. Low loss is better. Shorter is better. Conclusions.. A long cable is bad for a complex impedance of the speaker. The best cable is smaller and bigger at the same time as big is bad for capacitance and small is bad for resistance. The ratio of capacitance and inductance produces a cable characteristic impedance. When signal into and out of a cable matches the impedance of the cable, the problems of inductance and capacitance on opposite vector directions cancel and the cable can pass high frequencies with low loss into a restrictive load. Unfortunately a speaker is not a resistivity load and has a complex impedance curve. Making a 8 ohm impedance cable would be physically huge due to the size of the capacitance needed. This is why your TV cable is 75 ohm, your network cable is 110 ohm, and your DMX cable is 120 ohm. To use "short" speaker cables, much of the industry is moving to powered speakers and amp racks at the speakers instead of the sound booth. The signal is sent on several hundred feet of line cable which is about 200 ohm and with a resistive load instead of a complex speaker impedance. Loss is negligible at the entire audio frequency range. Balanced XLR signals have very high common mode noise rejection so hum pickup and other electrical noise is rarely an issue in a commercial sound setup. Not listed above is the physical properties. Solid vs stranded, physical size, appearance, etc. For those using lamp cable or house wire for speaker cables, they handle the voltage and power just fine, but may have issues in longer runs with the insulation and dielectric absorption. This can be compensated for as the loss is greater at higher frequencies, so it is "fixed with the EQ. Disclaimer. I am an engineering electronics technician with background in radio and television broadcast.
@nucleon4499
@nucleon4499 5 жыл бұрын
this needs to be pinned
@brandonlamondin6228
@brandonlamondin6228 5 жыл бұрын
the levels you are talking about are absolutely inaudible to the human ear... so whats the point bud?
@isettech
@isettech 5 жыл бұрын
@@brandonlamondin6228 This is the premium Audiophiles pay for. I mentioned it as a study in physics for the perfectionists to realize the best speaker cable is just a compromise at best. It is very true the differences in short cables are very difficult to measure, but do affect long cables over 100 feet. The take away is short cable is the best speaker cable. This length issue with cable is not lost in the commercial realm. Big heavy speaker cables are giving way to either powered speakers, or amp racks placed on or under the stage near speakers as it does affect the sound. Controlled impedance balanced shielded line level signal is then sent to the powered speakers or power amps near the speakers. Days of 100 foot speaker cables are mostly history in commercial audio. The lower resistance of short cable impacts the ability for an amp to damp unwanted cone movement in a big way. Damping factor is the inverse of resistance. An amp such as my QSC with a damping factor over 100, gives an effective output impedance of 0.001 ohms for damping cone movement. A 14AWG speaker cable of 100 feet has a 100 degree F resistance of 0.2525 each way, which changes the damping factor from 100 to about 2 which considerably changes the sound. These are real world numbers if you wish to do the math. Look up copper wire tables and find the resistance per 1,000 feet and scale to 100 feet X2 for round trip. Look up the damping factor of your amp in the specifications. Damping factor is the inverse of the effective active output impedance or ability to stop unwanted come movement. In a living room with each speaker only 5 feet away, this is minimal. The best speaker cable is SHORT.
@nucleon4499
@nucleon4499 5 жыл бұрын
@@brandonlamondin6228 They really aren't inaudible. If you cant hear the difference a good cable makes, then you either don't have a good enough setup or you need your hearing checked.
@user-sr7fo5fe6x
@user-sr7fo5fe6x 5 жыл бұрын
I love your response and the explanations you gave. What would make this even better is explanation and examples of application for us 'amateurs' to learn from you information when we try and build our own speaker cables. Thank you for sharing. EDIT: @ Isettech: Excellent reply to ChildOfGod. But, can you please explain the practical application of your information to the manufacture of DIY speaker cables (and cables to connect PreAmps to a PowerAmp, which is why I am here researching the manufacture of my own cables. I need to manufacture an RCA - Mono 6.5 TS connector to connect the sound card in my computer (ASUS Xonar STX) to a Phonic MAX 1600 to power my Dali Concept speakers. Thank you. EDIT: Bottom line is shorter the better and thickest guage I can get away with, with the shield of the RCA wired into Neutral at the P.A. end in order to 'ground out' the EMR back into the return path to the Xonar..? Is this correct? Thank you.
@sluiceman1
@sluiceman1 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, just wondering how these cables have performed over the last year? Do you still use them? Like them?
@saml2879
@saml2879 2 жыл бұрын
very nice work....these cables are designed for stage/concert applications, they are bomb proof :)
@paulf6946
@paulf6946 3 жыл бұрын
Stunning ,if they sound as good as they look ,wow ,going to make a set in the next couple of weeks ,thank you 👌👌
@everettspain2739
@everettspain2739 3 жыл бұрын
For some reason, commenting on this post doesn't allow you to share pics. Just finished my cables and I'd love to share my pics. Also the connectors used in @Tharbamar video are out of stock until July (everywhere) so I went with an alternative.
@paulf6946
@paulf6946 3 жыл бұрын
Everett Spain sweet mate ,how do they sound
@everettspain2739
@everettspain2739 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulf6946 I've only listened a few hours so not quite enough to give a full review but a very noticeable difference from the BJC 12. I'm bi-amping my Martin Logan ESL X through the Marantz MM7055, crossing them over at 80Hz and allowing the 2 Martin Logan 1100X handle the bass in 2 channel music listening. If you've never listened to Martin Logan's, they aren't very forgiving...if there's a weakness they will reveal it. I'll share more after more listening.
@paulf6946
@paulf6946 3 жыл бұрын
Everett Spain fantastic,I look forward to hearing how they sound when fully run in
@allankvist6741
@allankvist6741 5 жыл бұрын
Professionals use plain oxygen-free copper. Professional sales people prefer silver, gold or more expensive materials. Apart from that I really like your videos. I like your cable also☺
@De132an
@De132an 5 жыл бұрын
To keep the surface of the copper strands from tarnishing which can have an effect on signal transference over time, maybe I would suggest the use of solder for an airtight connection. Soldering is a simple thing that most will be able to do correctly with little practice. Or at least have your copper ends tinned.
@Tharbamar
@Tharbamar 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for suggestions, For that issue I do annual cleaning of all my Audio cables and components, I’ve been doing that every year for last 20 years. It’s good old habit I learned growing up in pro studio, thanks
@johnsweda2999
@johnsweda2999 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think so use high-grade silver yes not silver solder, but there should be no issues tarnishing his put shrink wrap should prevent any air getting to the Bare metal you could smear them with oil like 3 in 1 would prevent tarnishing
@De132an
@De132an 5 жыл бұрын
John sweda , sure use high grade silver whatever you can afford to solder with.
@allankvist6741
@allankvist6741 5 жыл бұрын
@@Tharbamar Yes cleaning connections would be a good candidate for an educative video. Also using fluid electricians tape after tightening or soldering would probably be optimal. Seals it much better from air and moist
@JyrkiKoivisto565
@JyrkiKoivisto565 7 ай бұрын
how do you clean them...video please @@Tharbamar
@joelittorres
@joelittorres Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel, GREAT info. Thank you.
@SergioAlvarez-lu6wv
@SergioAlvarez-lu6wv Жыл бұрын
This is a great concept for a video series. I hope you continue as it is very insightful.
@lupavalo2000
@lupavalo2000 4 жыл бұрын
Hi I can't find the banana plugs. I need to know which others banana will fit this thick cables. Any help will be appreciated.
@ardalay88
@ardalay88 4 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial! But you didn't use the star quad wiring method so you don't get star quad benefit. Is it intentional? You need to connect Red-Yellow to +, Brown-Orange to - to make star quad work. It is useful to mention. Kind regards.
@ahlbergmagnus
@ahlbergmagnus Жыл бұрын
If you use this cable for bi-wire, will you loose the star quad benfit?
@francisgoodfield6266
@francisgoodfield6266 4 жыл бұрын
hello thank you for the helpful video can you tell me if there is a spade connector that will fit Thank you
@yttean98
@yttean98 5 жыл бұрын
Last you for a very very long time, my guess is that after a year or two you would want to upgrade. You see your ear is very clever it soon gets sick/tired of the sound that comes out of your speakers then you want to upgrade. This applies to right through all your hi-fi equipment.
@gordiefrench5342
@gordiefrench5342 5 жыл бұрын
great work i have used mogami for years best cable money can buy
@chifetish
@chifetish 5 жыл бұрын
You can buy Transparent 12-4 cable for about 5 bucks a foot. That is what I use and I think a better value for the money. You can buy direct from their website.
@BonJohnvie
@BonJohnvie 4 жыл бұрын
@@chifetish Can you send me the link to this?
@paulespino6462
@paulespino6462 4 жыл бұрын
@@chifetish Just looked at Transparent's website and couldn't find that 12-4 cable. Could you post the link?
@andya2665
@andya2665 4 жыл бұрын
A cable company would want over $1000 for comparable cables. Gonna try to make these. Thanks
@lawmanlawreaper
@lawmanlawreaper 5 жыл бұрын
Great video and good on information thank you
@xjmzrq
@xjmzrq 3 жыл бұрын
Nice job! Thanks for sharing.
@keithandersen6798
@keithandersen6798 9 ай бұрын
The table @ :38 shows the capacitance when pairing wires #1 and #3 together vs #1 and #2. Pairing 1 and 3 has a lower capacitance then 1 and 2. In between those pairs is a cord/insulation that is not shown in the illustration @ :38. You just see a gap. That cord/insulation separates pairs 1&3 and 2&4 allowing a lower capacitance. So pair Brown & Orange, and Red and Yellow. Will this make a difference to your ear? He made mention that there is no difference in sound and I believe him because he's making short cables. Thank you for your DIY videos. Thinking of making a pair for the fun of it.
@yesnomaybe7
@yesnomaybe7 5 жыл бұрын
Well done, Thank you
@IliyaOsnovikov
@IliyaOsnovikov 4 жыл бұрын
Tharbamar, Thank you very much for the information on those BFA terminals! Would you please check what is the hole size (internal diameter) for a wire in Parts Express BFA's in mm?
@nicholascremato
@nicholascremato 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thank you!!!!!
@chriswithall2518
@chriswithall2518 3 жыл бұрын
Hi why did you not wire it star-quad i.e. 1-3 and 2-4 as the pairs and get the benefits of lower capacitance and inductance?
@deejeemadrox1866
@deejeemadrox1866 4 жыл бұрын
nice show and it surely will work fine. But i am wondering, are these not overkill for home use? I mean, these kind of professional cables are meant to travel long distances, 50 mtr or more.
@bradkizer9961
@bradkizer9961 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Thank you!
@Bekent
@Bekent 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and advice
@adamnowak8876
@adamnowak8876 4 жыл бұрын
6AWg cable for speaker.. Are you connecting speakers directly to the power plant?
@johnd2843
@johnd2843 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this fantastic video! I have been planning on making my own speaker cables and this tutorial is one of the best i've seen. I do have a couple questions. 1. Is there a technical/sonic reason why didn't you twist the pair of conductors before connecting them to each other? 2. I have seen other people's comments about star-quad wiring and your responses. I don't fully understand the importance of pairing or the difference between coupling two adjacent conductors vs. coupling conductors across from each other. Is there a difference? According to wikipedia, in star-quad configuration, "opposite points of the star are connected together at each end of the cable to form each leg of the balanced circuit." For the mogami, that appears to be red+yellow, brown+orange. Thank you!
@Tharbamar
@Tharbamar 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, No reason for not twisting them, I’ve done many cables and I just wanted to have flatter look when I was making this video. Star -Quad position at end points are not important you can connect how you like it, there is no difference in sound quality and you still have whole length of star-quad in between them. But it all up to you, thanks
@johnd2843
@johnd2843 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tharbamar Thank you for your quick response. I appreciate your work
@wayneklyne3073
@wayneklyne3073 4 жыл бұрын
Hi just finished my Mogami W3104 8'x 2=16 ' Cost approximately $11 ca. per ft.all in, now just have to break them in cant wait, to hear them!!
@thomasgammelby9309
@thomasgammelby9309 3 жыл бұрын
Funny how you believe in cable "break in" I'm guessing that you bought Mogami because, as the video claims, you can get high end hifi cable for low-fi price by DIY. But cable burn-in is something these so called snake oil selling audiophile cable companies introduced. Just saying if they are right about cables having burn in, might they know other stuff that is critical to audio cable design. Just saying... Makes you think.
@ToolsAndI
@ToolsAndI 3 жыл бұрын
These look awesome, I am certainly going to make these cables. Like you, I believe one can get exactly the same results with DIY cables as one would get with exotic ones. Thank you very much for sharing.
@christophkampmann6415
@christophkampmann6415 3 жыл бұрын
Really lovely advice. What do you recommend for a 4 way speaker system which is active driven. Two Mogami 3104 per channel or 4 Mogami 3104 per channel?
@Tharbamar
@Tharbamar 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t comment on it without trying, thanks
@danhorton6182
@danhorton6182 3 жыл бұрын
I’d say at the most two per channel. Each wire is 11 awg and with two runs per channel you’d be doubling up to get the 4 drivers (8 individual wires/2 = 4 for the 4 drivers. Essentially each driver would then have a run of 9 awg. Wayyyy overkill unless you’re running a lot of power over a long run. If the drivers have a standard 8 or 4 ohm impedance, the run is under 30 feet, and the power to each driver is under 600 watts id say you’d be fine with one run per channel. Each driver would have an 11 awg wire and the losses over that wire would be nearly nothing.
@kirkcunningham6146
@kirkcunningham6146 5 жыл бұрын
If you go with what the professional studios use, you can't go wrong. Great video buddy, thanks!
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 5 жыл бұрын
That's not necessarily a wise choice.
@kirkcunningham6146
@kirkcunningham6146 5 жыл бұрын
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt please, tell us what the wise choice is. Im dying to know since I've been an audio enthusiast for over 30 years.
@kirkcunningham6146
@kirkcunningham6146 5 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake his cable is overkill. However, a 10 foot pair of Belden or Canare is not. Both of what i mentioned are also used in Pro-audio. Most of what you described is about connectors. A pair of 12guage Belden cables far outweigh a cheap ass lamp cord for not much more $. Blue Jeans cable is Belden and the prices are extremely good for excellent quality studio grade cable.
@kirkcunningham6146
@kirkcunningham6146 5 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake you go girl with your lampcord. If it works for you, great. Meanwhile, the rest of us will enjoy what we like. That's the beauty of this hobby. You can do whatever you want and invest in what you see fit. You spend allot of time trying to convince the unconvincing. Does it really matter to you? Run along now...
@kirkcunningham6146
@kirkcunningham6146 5 жыл бұрын
@Douglas Blake Thanks! All you want to do is argue on KZfaq which is stupid. Noone cares...
@Anth4044
@Anth4044 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your video well done 👍
@diemturner5755
@diemturner5755 3 жыл бұрын
Those are some very nice looking cables you made there. Nicely done. At the end you said something that caught my attention and I was hoping you might take a moment and illuminate for me what you meant. In passing you mentioned that you break in your speaker cables and I'm curious as to what that entails, what processing is happening inside the cables and to what end this leads (i.e. what benefits does one get from having broken in their speaker cables). Thank you.
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