Thanks for taking the time to do this comparison. It was really helpful to hear the differences between the two drum kits, even though they are physically similar. I personally really prefer the sound of the club much more than the renown
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
Of course! And honestly, I think this video really highlights how great of a bargain the Catalina’s are.
@tobytoxd2 жыл бұрын
One of the best drum comparison videos, i have found! Just playing simple beat and a fill, repeat it and or directly compare it, nothing too fancy, that will distract me from the sound of the toms. Thank you very much! 🙏
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad you enjoyed it, thanks for leaving the kind words
@user-yq5od9uj3f10 ай бұрын
Excellent sound comparison. Less crash and ride cymbals being played, so it was much easier to hear the attack, tone, sustain and decay of each drum. Good job. Thanks.
@malonedrum10 ай бұрын
Thanks
@ronaldronaldson91262 жыл бұрын
I'm liking the sound of the Catalinas in this comparison! Punchy. The Renowns have more resonance and could probably use a bit of tweaking with the tuning. That being said, I just received my own set of Renowns in 24/13/16!
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on your new drums, I bet those things are awesome!
@ramencurry66722 жыл бұрын
I read a report somewhere where a recording engineer liked the Catalina drums and thought they were DW.
@marcros72898 ай бұрын
I go for Catalina due to price x benefits...
@boomerguy99356 ай бұрын
The Catalina series is made in the DW drum factory in Taiwan with ownership still under Gretsch. Taiwan quality is amazing for all products! I love my Catalina Club Jazz kit. @@marcros7289
@jandrayer1406 ай бұрын
This video was so helpful! Great to hear each set on its own and then a side by side at the end. Outstanding job! This has actually helped me make my decision as to which sound I like better and which set to get....definitely the Catalinas. And bonus, they're cheaper! Thanks again!!
@malonedrum6 ай бұрын
I LOVE the Catalina sound.
@Renodrums-vq8nv2 жыл бұрын
This how all drum comparison videos should be. Well done
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I appreciate that!
@mrski49452 жыл бұрын
Hey! It's GRETSCH!!!! Love them both. I have a Catalina Club BOP kit, so I'm partial to the Catalinas. Of course it's obvious the Renown is a higher quality instrument at 2x the price. Love that they both have the same fundamental sound, with the renown having a much superior overall resonance and tone Nice comparison
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I probably prefer Catalina’s as well, I like the light weight of the overall drums, and that helps me get the sound I like for a lot of situations.
@ramencurry66722 жыл бұрын
If you own a Catalina, you could buy one or two Renown rack toms for a change of pace. If you do that I wouldn’t get rid of the Catalina rack Tom because it still has its own sound.
@inspectortrout992 жыл бұрын
Nice vid! Great comparison! Great playing. Thanks for sharing! Great production values, too.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, always working to up the production value, so I appreciate the sign of encouragement
@thumpdrum2 жыл бұрын
Both kits sounded great. I am a little bit of a fan boy of Catalina‘s. I did note that the Renowns seemed deeper or lower. They were definitely more resonant. I do find it interesting that both the Renown and the Catalina lines have a long history with Gretsch as you can find early iterations of these brand names in the 1920s and 1930s catalogs.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I was not aware those two series dated back that far.
@pessi.zapler2 жыл бұрын
IMO, a huge difference. Renown has more tone, more clarity, more character, more everything... Catalinas are somewhat pale, fuzzy and muted.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Could also be recording/tuning, but I do agree the Renowns tone is a little clearly
@ramencurry66722 жыл бұрын
Renowns have better clarity and the mounting metal part is better as in better build quality. The Catalina toms can be better in a song recording if you want the toms a little more controlled or a little more subdued. …For drum solos, the Renowns can be better since they are a little more pronounced and forward sounding.
@d5whilmer4 ай бұрын
Tuned up properly and mic'd; mine sound great.
@johnrobinson83232 жыл бұрын
They both sound great! Visually I really like the Renown! 🥁❤
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
This guy gets it!
@karenaustin45042 жыл бұрын
Renown every time!! I have both Renown and USA Custom, there is nothing in it sound wise but the USA kit will always be worth more financially. I think given time the Gretsch Renown kits will increase in value.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was just at the Chicago Drum Show this past weekend and it got me thinking about how things like Catalina’s and Renown’s will be viewed at once they are old enough to be considered vintage. I feel like everybody has now embraced 80s and 90s kits as “vintage” and somewhat desirable now.
@vibes..58511 ай бұрын
Really ? wow...
@frankcianciarulo7823 Жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, hope all is well. Last year I picked up a renown bop kit. I already owned a cat bop kit. I agree that both kits sound great. I did some comparisons but my bop kit had single ply heads and the Renowns had two ply so it wasn’t a true comparison like yours. Although I can’t say how it affected the sound I think the heavier hardware and 302 rims on the Renowns affects the sound. I think The maple shells vs the poplar shells make a big difference. The Renowns had more sustain and volume. I found The cats are more subtle and warmer. Great video!!
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's almost a preference for the genre you play. In many settings, a Catalina could be a better fit and more desirable, but I still own a Catalina and a Renown, and they are both fantastic.
@richardwilliam66602 ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing this great little clip. For me the sonic sounds of the renown are the greater.
@malonedrum2 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@d5whilmer4 ай бұрын
I have both these kits, black ebony with a 8" rack added on the renown and white chocolate on the club. Bigger Renown kit is more of a permanent set at church I play every week. I use the club kit when we play in public park twice a year, easier to set up/ break down to o the park. I Mic up the club kit on the open air stand at the park, it still gets the sound I need in the mix on the board. The black Renown came with a free 8" which I seldom need. Sometimes I take it as a mismatch with theWhite Chocolate club and add it off a cymbal boom. By the way I'm trying to sell the Catalina Club with or without cymbals and booms.
@malonedrum4 ай бұрын
Both great kits!
@kushking420 Жыл бұрын
Great comparison video, nice work put into it
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
Thanks! 👍
@DrummerDanVa6 ай бұрын
Nice comparison video. Too many just show someone doing a groove without a clear hearing of the toms. I like the bass drum sound better on the Renown. To me that extra 2" gives it a little more thump. But I liked the toms on the Catalina. I have a Catalina Club 4 piece in the yellow strata finish and have thought about upgrading. But I have it sounding pretty good to my ears. Rogers has come out with a kit in the champaign sparkle finish which is beautiful. But it is over 3 times what I paid for the Gretsch and not sure it sounds 3 times better. This is actually a great time to be a drummer. Manufacturer processes are better than 50 years ago so more inexpensive kits are pretty good now. I know more expensive kits would hold up better when doing a lot of setup and tear downs when gigging but the sound is not necessarily that much better. And when in a band setting where the drums are just sitting in a wall of sound where many of the nuances of a better kit aren't really heard the difference in price is a consideration. Because you have a more expensive kit doesn't mean you are a better drummer. Maybe it is more a status symbol.
@malonedrum6 ай бұрын
Well said!
@that-avr-drummer2 жыл бұрын
Renown hands down...huge difference!!
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Good call, I'm certainly enjoying the Renowns, but the Catalina's were also great too.
@ramencurry66727 ай бұрын
I own both. I love them both equally and keep both because of their unique tones for different songs
@donaldburnet694810 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you! I would love to hear the Catalina maple kit compared to the renown, as I am shopping for a kit for my studio now.
@malonedrum10 ай бұрын
If I had them, I'd surely be happy to oblige, but I imagine it'd be very similar to these results.
@wojtekbukowski71332 жыл бұрын
Hey, great comparison! They are both great, depending on what you are after. The Renown obviously has better hardware, as to be expected. Speaking in the context of sound: Renown is superior for modern backbeat oriented genres of music. For swing Jazz, the Catalina Club is much more ideal. Thanks for posting this.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think you’re probably close to me in my view of the two. Sometimes I actually prefer the lighter hardware and shells of the Catalina’s over the heavier, thicker, higher end Renowns, but it’s all situational for me too.
@SalMichael25 күн бұрын
Catalina are 7ply thin mahogany /Renown being 7 ply maple is a huge tone and volume difference.I've had both and they are equally are amazing but...If you need volume ? Renown are 3x louder especially if your not mic'd. Mahogany has beautiful low end tone but the volume especially on the racks is really not there.the kicks and floor toms shine on the catalina gear.Great Comparison Mike,as alway's.
@malonedrum25 күн бұрын
Can't argue with that. I find that most situations where I need to project, Im mic'd up, but maybe in a big band or concert band the Renowns would help cut acoustically.
@jaymeramirez74357 ай бұрын
I own a 24,12,16 70’s Gretsch, 24,13,16 Gretsch Renown RN2 and a Catalina Club Black Galaxy sparkle. All different kits. But enjoy all of them equally.
@malonedrum7 ай бұрын
I couldn’t agree more as somebody with multiple Gretsch kits!
@user-hn9hu8rm5g3 ай бұрын
I have both kits. The Catalina kit is light weight and very simple to tune. The snare is a bit weak however. The Renoun projects more volume and is a bit more challenging to tune. The Catalina is great for jazz because it doesnt project big volume. If you are rocker I suggest the Renoun as they are heavier and will project more.
@malonedrum3 ай бұрын
I think the snare on any of those students kit are really just the bare minimum to be passable.
@davesiringo71474 ай бұрын
For me, the 1st kit sounded much better. The second kit has an overtone that sounds like a stretching rubber band. My kit is somewhere in between and I've never really been happy about it. But, I grew up on 60s and 70s "thump." Great comparison.
@malonedrum4 ай бұрын
I think they are both great kits, but I also lean towards the first.
@thomasnappo63098 ай бұрын
Thankfully l have both these kits...love them equally..Renown sounds alittle richer..but both very nice.😊
@malonedrum8 ай бұрын
I totally agree!
@wiouxev2 жыл бұрын
I will say.. your technique is VERY good. And your tuning is also good. So you really sell the catalina's further than they may deserve with great technique and good tuning. I think you would make any drum set sound decent with your playing/tuning. I think the difference up against the renowns would be a LOT more dramatic with "average technique" and "average tuning" .. if that makes sense? Haha. Anyway, awesome comparison video!
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I'd certainly agree that a great player could hopefully make almost anything sound good, and it's probably an underrated skill to be able to adjust your touch, and playing to bring out the best in an instrument. I appreciate the nice comments about my playing. They're all great drums to me!
@voggyman77282 жыл бұрын
They both sound great. Since I started drumming I felt in love with the gretsch usa custom that was shown in my favorite drum shop. Of course far away from affordable at this time. The renown reminds me so much of that sound. Is this comparison appropriate?
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking it out! Renowns and Catalinas would be great for a more economical way to get a great Gretsch sounding kit.
@MikeBixby2 жыл бұрын
yes Renowns are the best kept pro secret. built overseas to Grtsch USA specs. The working budget drummers USA’s
@raindogred2 жыл бұрын
nicely tuned and great sounding recording. i got an older set of catalina, but a terrible room with low ceilings. i'd be stoked if i could get a recorded sound like you have here. i like the sound of the catalina here (i'm biased), although they both sound great..love gretsch
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
My ceilings are maybe 6.5 ft at most where I record my drums, and it’s probably not ideal, but I’ve certainly not struggled to get a good sound. I think if you worked to treat your room a little bit you could get a very passable room sound!
@raindogred2 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum yeah brick walls, concrete floor, low ceiling, regular basement..adds lots phase issues and some nasty frequency that does not sit well in any mix without a lot of EQing. the mics on the kit are ok/passable ..it the overheads..it just does not sound good for me at the kit, so it translates into the recording. i gotta research treating the room for sure..cheers
@mrmisfit635 Жыл бұрын
Catalina's sound thin next to the Renown.
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
Certainly a different sound.
@dodge4x4183 жыл бұрын
I agree the Renown's have a bit more punch & presents. Please keep tuning drums to were the drum feels comfortable, let it talk let it breathe. Thnx!!
@malonedrum3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with you, thanks for the kind remarks!
@boomerguy99356 ай бұрын
I love "That Great Gretsch Sound"! My Catalina Club Jazz kit is amazing! I would like to have heard more info on the type of wood (mahogany, maple,, etc.), number of plies and any other info on the shells. Which heads did you use? What size are the snare drums? What size (thickness) are the hoops? Are these identical? Which sticks are you using? By the way, my personal preference from your video is the Catalina Club.
@malonedrum6 ай бұрын
I don’t go into all of that because it’s all easily available online x in this demo the snares are the same drum, and I’m using Remos colortone heads.
@frame57tv3 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison video. I had a wonderful set of Renowns but started using a Catalina Club kit instead. The Catalinas are so much easier to get around. (...that's important at my age...-lol) Plus I just Love the sound of Mahogany! By the way... what heads are you using? Thanks!
@malonedrum3 жыл бұрын
I’m using Remo colortone heads, which are just clear emperors. Not my usual sound but for this kits function, that’s what was the choice. I actually mostly gig with a Catalina kit because it weighs so much less and if I scratch it, it’s not that heartbreaking considering the price/value
@SwordCymbal792 жыл бұрын
I prefer my mahogany cats also!
@philipcullin9832 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum great demo! I’m looking at getting a set of renown or brooklyns.. why is the renown so much heavier than the Catalina?
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
@@philipcullin983 hardware, shell thickness.
@IJoeSimmonsI Жыл бұрын
I too prefer the sound of the Catalina over the renown. Much smoother. Two questions: 1. Can you recommend a hoop mm replacement for the cats (2.3 vs 302 hoops). Sound is modern worship low key to high energy in smaller room. Or if you recommend to stick with stock 1.6 that’s cool too. 2. What are the fabric rings you have on your cats in many of your other videos
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure I can pinpoint a specific mm hoop correlated to a specific genre of music, but I find thicker/heavier hoops tighten up the sound a bit. I use Roots EQ muffling on lots of drums in different situations. Great company and option for muffling.
@themole20242 жыл бұрын
I have used both kits. Catalina is light weight (thin Shells) and the toms sound and tune up really well. The Catalina snare that I had was a 5.5 and was honestly the weak link on the kit. So get the Cats to save some money, but get a good snare because the 5.5 inch cat mahogany snare really kinda sucks. Forgot to mention, the Catalina hardware is, well, cheap to be blunt.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I have the same feelings on the Catalina's I mostly used them for gigging because they are so light weight to carry around, and also much easier to replace if need be. I bought mine without a snare, so I don't have much experience with the snares, not surprised though. They don't even cut snare beds on most of those student level kits.
@IJoeSimmonsI Жыл бұрын
What do you think about upgrading the hoops? I’ve had great luck with upgrading student kits to 2.3mm but I haven’t decided what I want to do with my cats. Leave them, or go to 2.3 or 3mm.
@leonardsmith21702 жыл бұрын
It's hard to beat the Renown kits for value for money. They sound every bit as good as the Brooklyns, in my opinion.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think once you get into the high quality parts like hoops, shell material, and attention to craftsmanship they are all pretty great.
@alexg42842 жыл бұрын
Great video my son
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Dad?
@robertcozart6081 Жыл бұрын
Is this a Catalina maple set? Or is it a club series? I did not know a 5 piece configuration was available in the club configuration. Nice comparison. Thanks
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
It's a club series, but I got the 10" tom after the shell pack, both used actually.
@rickhudsondrummer2796 Жыл бұрын
Catalina has more focus. Have always preferred 20x14 bass drums too. The renown sounds a bit handful but I’m sure it’s wicked! Many drummers prefer it to the USA Custom and Brooklyn
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
I just picked up a Brooklyn kit with a 20" x 14", so more Gretsch videos to come I guess...
@dye1822 жыл бұрын
More build Videos mike. Loving the content
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Got a number of drum DIY project videos coming up in the queue, surely some more gear reviews and comparisons as well.
@user-yq5od9uj3f6 ай бұрын
Bass drum on the renown sounds punchier and louder. But to me, maple and birch bass drums always sound louder with more attack than any other wood. It was hard to compare the toms because the renowns had so much more sustain but you warned us about that. If you still have both sets I would love to hear the toms tuned to the same frequency.
@malonedrum6 ай бұрын
Yeah, part of me also thinks it’s not fair to tune drums exactly the same because drum has its own sweet spot based on the build, but I can also understand the desire to have consistency in an experiment.
@user-yq5od9uj3f6 ай бұрын
@@malonedrum Actually part of me just wants to hear the comparison of maple verse mahogany. It's the same manufacturer, same size kit, both 7 ply shells. I assume the same thickness. It would be a real nice comparison. Thanks for taking the time to do the video. Best
@brewcupmusic5319 Жыл бұрын
While the renown were a little more resonant (this could be tuning?) I actually preferred the Catalinas. I didn't hear anything from the renown that would entice me to pay twice the price of the Catalinas for them.
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
I agree that once you get past student level kits/mid level kit, the increase in price compared to increase in quality diminishes.
@kitsmith3606 Жыл бұрын
One thing that always bothers me about KZfaq people that dude drum demos is that they tuner drums tco loose or too low in that case. I tune my drums as you do I'm 56 and have been taught to buy a bigger drum.than to tune loose. I use black or chrome ambassadors on the reso heads. Pinstripes on all but the snare. Either way you gave a fair review.
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
I try my best, but everybody has a personal preference when it comes to tuning a drum, so of course there's some bias in how I do, and everybody else.
@johnnymerritt95442 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison well done
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Johnny! Glad you enjoyed it.
@cookiecanfly_ Жыл бұрын
Hey man awesome video! Is this the 14x5.5 catalinas snare drum or the 14x5.5 renow snare drum? Thanks man
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
It' the same Gretsch New Classic snare in both videos, neither kit came with a snare in the variation I bought.
@41PH4B3TS0UP Жыл бұрын
I have the Purewood Hickory and it sounds like canons. Even sounds amazing in a mix recorded on an iPhone.
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
Hickory is really hard, not surprised to hear that.
@41PH4B3TS0UP Жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum You’re absolutely correct. Usually reserved for making drumsticks but this kit is next level thunder.
@rcb_matt Жыл бұрын
I've got a Renown. Still trying to find heads that I like. Currently they have Aquarian heads...studio x clears over classic clears. Thinking about trying Evans coated G1s over clear G1s. What heads do you have on these? My kits a 13, 16 and 24 with a Dallas Drum aluminum snare.
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
I had Remo Colortones on these kits.
@kjellreidarhellum60063 ай бұрын
Also the price is different.Renown van be compared to Usa custom but much cheaper.
@malonedrum3 ай бұрын
Renowns are great, but Catalinas are a huge bargin. Also the prices have changed drastically (along with most everything) since I released this video.
@notforyoutube2 жыл бұрын
Mike how did you tune The Catalina club? Did use a ddrum dial if so what are the drum dial numbers?
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I just tune by ear and feel, never tried out any of those tuning gadgets.
@russellsdrumsandeverythingelse11 ай бұрын
Renown 💯 So the renown is made in Taiwan which makes excellent drums and hardware and also has the 302 3 mm Gretsch hoops and the overall quality is just much better. The Catalina is made in China using the 1.6 mm hoops with low quality chrome. I have a Catalina mahogany kit and it sounds great now that I’ve changed the heads and put Gibraltar 2.3 mm hoops on .
@malonedrum11 ай бұрын
I actually prefer lighter hoops on drums typically. Lighter mass creates a nice sound, but I also dig having a bit more weight tighten up tones at times too.
@1thess52310 ай бұрын
That Catalina is PUNCHY! Do you know anything about the Club Maple snare's? I found a gold sparkle 14x6.5 at my local used guitar shop. I was thinking of getting it but i couldn't find any demos on it and it was tuned low and I didn't have a drum key to see how it's sounded tuned high. It was going for $200
@malonedrum10 ай бұрын
$200 feels pretty steep for that drum because in my opinion, when you see stock snares with mid level kits, they typically are not built with a ton of thought and design, sometimes they don't even have snare beds.
@1thess52310 ай бұрын
@@malonedrum it was actually pretty light feeling as well. Thanks for the input 👍
@d5whilmer4 ай бұрын
@@malonedrum About 10 years ago I found a Ludwig supraphonic all metal in a pawn shop and got the guy down to $90. I put new heads on and a new snare strand. It is my go to for almost all my kits. Easy to tune up or down. I bought the Catalina Club in 2016, 4-pc with the maple snare. Less than $600 for the whole shell pack. $200 for that snare is a bit high. Mine sounds great and easy to tune.
@williamperri34372 жыл бұрын
I wasn't even looking for you this time! Anyway, the Catalina Club having a 30-degree bearing Edge and mahogany is obviously one of the most user-friendly warm drum sets for my ears and the few times I've played in the music stores I've always loved them but I've heard a lot of quality control issues 10 years ago and I still hear them now from people. What are your thoughts on that? A guy told me today that he had a Catalina and I think a broadcaster and they both had to be fixed or sanded somewhere on the bearing Edge and he even said both had at least one loose lug. I love the way these sound and I really like the 18" BD from Catalina. Btw, I like the Catalina club sound better.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@joedoherty1062 Жыл бұрын
It might just be the tuning, but I think I preferred the Catalinas here. The tone felt a bit cleaner and more defined. I really didn't like the sound of the renown floor tom, but that's probably just tuning. Too "wobbly" sounding for me. Overall though, the sound is VERY close.
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
I do totally disagree with you, there’s an argument to be made for triple flanged hoops on thinner shells having a nice sound.
@SwordCymbal792 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that prefers the sound of those cats instead of the renown? Is the catalina a maple or mahogany?
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s not too much different, but sometimes I enjoy the sound of a lighter shell, with lighter hardware like on cheaper drums.
@SwordCymbal792 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum I like the phatter tone also instead of the bright renown’s
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think the die cast hoops really accentuate that feature
@SwordCymbal792 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum so are your cats maple or mahogany?
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
@@SwordCymbal79 Mahogany I believe
@imthelaw748 ай бұрын
I own a clubrock 24 12 16 and its all attack love my gretsch and the price was right for a weekend drummer
@malonedrum8 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@WxkR10 ай бұрын
Thanks for the very useful comparison. The Catalina definitely does not have a “pro” sound. Good for students and casual gigging, but not for serious music making.
@malonedrum10 ай бұрын
I feel like maybe what you consider “pro” sound, I would interpret as “modern” sound.
@WxkR10 ай бұрын
@@malonedrum yes, I can see that. I called the Renown sound “pro” in the sense that its resonance seems to give a lot more room for “engineering” the sound in a studio or amplified situation. In yours and other demos, the toms give very clear pitches. On the other hand, the Catalina sounds “drier” (shorter resonance) and less defined in a way that, as you suggest, evokes old jazz recordings. On another note, how do you feel about the Renown hardware? I’ve seen comments about it feeling “flimsy” or not polished (for the price) but what I see in pics and videos seems different. Unfortunately, there aren’t any Renown kits in my local stores to give it a try.
@malonedrum10 ай бұрын
@@WxkR I find the renown hardware plenty robust and high quality, it’s just heavier, so for me maybe not as ideal for gigging.
@WxkR10 ай бұрын
@@malonedrum thanks!
@dmgsoultogetherness6667Ай бұрын
theres almost nothing between them bt if i had to decide id say the catalina is a little warmer
@malonedrumАй бұрын
I like the Catalinas
@kimseniorbАй бұрын
such a shame there's no renowns with virgin 24 kick. have to go with the catalina then
@malonedrumАй бұрын
I don’t like a virgin kick, but if it’s important to you, I guess you gotta go a different route.
@kimseniorbАй бұрын
@@malonedrum sure, its a taste thing. I'm in the market for a 24/16/13 set, huge kicks look ugly drilled to me. actually having second thoughts now as a renown clearly sounds better in this video, more bloom, mids and that vintage mojo overall. and I really like the oyster wrap
@paulcope8342 жыл бұрын
Love the renown toms but prefer the Catalina bass drum. And yes the tuning is much lower to my ear on the renown shame perhaps tune them closer and redo?
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I mean I think you have to balance trying to compare things in an exact science, and tuning a drum where it sits I won’t be doing it again for these two kits, but you live, learn, adjust, and repeat.
@paulcope8342 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum Thanks Mike very useful in any case.
@dougfinlay75312 жыл бұрын
The cats are mahogany I believe while the renowns are maple and with silver sealer. Any shell with sealer is going to project more.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think the wood species probably has a lot to do with projection. The maple would be way harder, and the die cast hoops don’t hurt there either.
@Gretsch099711 ай бұрын
The sound comparison of the drums didn’t really translate to me. BUT, you definitely seemed to show more satisfaction playing the Renown kit
@malonedrum11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I like them both. In studio, the Renown, but for gigging, I'd probably prefer the Catalina.
@DidYouReadEULA2 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison, thank you! The Renowns are my next kit, they sound amazing for a so called budget kit. My Pearl ELX Selects on an ICON rack have been mistaken for a high end kit before, these should be too.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! If this video reaches you anything I think it shows that you can get a great sound in either student level or entry line professional kits.
@Monsterdrumma2 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Catalina’s, to me they are more pure, clear and punchier while the renowns sound kind of trapped to me if that makes sense to anyone.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, to me the Catalina’s having thinner shells and lighter hardware is something that a lot of higher end drums miss due to the association between nicer being heavier duty.
@matthewwolf20546 ай бұрын
Renown sounds (to me) like there's ring residual coming off the toms.
@malonedrum6 ай бұрын
I do think due to the build, they speak a little more and resonate.
@davidcudlip65872 жыл бұрын
Both kits sound great but the Renown sing a bit more and have a clearer tone. Not to say the Catalina could get the same tone, too, with some tweaking. I'm in the market for a 5 piece Renown kit next week. I use an older chrome Slingerland Krupa snare as my go-to snare drum. Should fit in nice with this kit.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think either kit would serve you well.
@hamadbernes19802 жыл бұрын
Renow sound more sustain ,but i think is for tom holder , why your catalina doesn´t have suspension tom holder than last models? Its makes a huge difference in sound.... Beautiful kits I have a catalina jazz club , new models and every new model its better , sound like a pro drums... Great video, one more suscriber...
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I removed the suspension mounts, I’m a big fan and advocate for DTS (Direct To Shell) mounting. I actually layer on released a video where I removed the suspension mounts from my renown kit and did DTS mounts.
@Upbeat_JMF_Drums Жыл бұрын
I have them both, the Catalina has an 18in bass and the renown has a 22. Love them both but with proper tuning I think my 18 sounds punchier and boomier than the 22.
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
I love playing an 18” bass drum on louder gigs. They pack a punch!
@qwe123112 күн бұрын
Renowns obviously have more resonance, but if you're playing to an audience you may not prefer it (or even hear it in the audience). Renowns are definitely better built... and much heavier. I'd buy used Renowns over equivalently used Cats since they'd be holding up better.
@malonedrum12 күн бұрын
I’ve never had an issue with Catalina’s “holding up” but I understand your comment.
@aldoortiz47972 жыл бұрын
Diferent tunning Renown is lower than catalinas but so similar. I think the finishes, are the difference.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I certainly have a preference on finish, but yes, I think they both sound great.
@brianfoster74862 жыл бұрын
They both sound good; we're you using any muffling/dampening? The Renowns are a bit ringy, I would say. A little too much sustain - most noticeable in the floor tom. Maybe a little moongel could dampen that a tad? All personal preference, I guess.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Yes, they both sound great! and no, I did not use muffling, and I typically would. Usually using the Snare Weight M80s or the smaller version, especially on a floor tom, but for this video I felt if I used muffling, I'm taking away from comparing the actual drums.
@rtd122 жыл бұрын
If 5he floor had been tuned evenly it would have sounded a little better. But both kits are great 👍
@jdrumz321ify3 жыл бұрын
A more apt comparison would be Catalina Maples to Renowns...please do that next
@malonedrum3 жыл бұрын
Send me a set of Catalina Maples and I’ll get right to it! I’d love to.
@rhythmcaster20182 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum Dear Mike, I though they were Catalina Club Maples shown on your video. Wow. Very nice tuning/mixing. Especially, just an overhead and a kick mic.
@ivanbajovic34762 жыл бұрын
RN2 wins. I like the sound
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
They’re both awesome choices!
@777bigbird7 ай бұрын
The cats have less ring and to me thats a good thing. Especially in the studio. Why spend more.
@malonedrum7 ай бұрын
I sometimes prefer a thinner shell as well.
@mariocaspar2340 Жыл бұрын
Gretsch Renown yes 🥁😅🙌🏼
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@ShawnxEdge Жыл бұрын
The Catalina’s clearly win here and I was rooting for the Renown’s. The Renown’s are maple and the Clubs are luan (Asian mahogany)? If so this is why the cat clubs sound warmer.
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
I love the thinner/warmer shells of Mahogany. Very underrated in comparison to higher end drums.
@ronminton2911 Жыл бұрын
The renown should sound better but they need tweeking. Too much pitch dive right now especially in the floor tom
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
To each their own, I’ve since also switched to different heads for this kit. Like the warmer tone of coated heads more typically.
@glennracoma74812 жыл бұрын
Renown RN2 Sound and aesthetics
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Can’t argue with you, clearly I made my choice
@MrSamecain777 Жыл бұрын
maybe the catalina heads are old and the renow are new
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
Patches?
@MrSamecain777 Жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum heads, in mexico patches are drum heads.
@MikeBixby2 жыл бұрын
the Cats are tuned better but I play Renowns. (tuned better). I much prefer the DC hoops on the Renowns
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to hear how yours are tuned!
@MikeBixby2 жыл бұрын
I currently tune them to proximity pitch as follows. MB Drum Kit : SD-435 Bb/F Gretsch renown 8” - G#3 207.65 Hz 10” - D#3 155.56 Hz 12” - Bb2 116.54 Hz 14”- F2 87.31 Hz 16”- C2 65.41 Hz
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
@@MikeBixby that’s cool, I’ve never been one to use gadgets like the tunebot to tune a drum, much more trying to balance feel/sound to my ears.
@MikeBixby2 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum Ear supercedes any particular note. As long as the interval is right and tone. I dont use Tunebot I reference with piano. I arrived at my “tuning technique” by using a Ddrum /triggers back in the 90’s You can change the pitch on the Ddrum module sample. I found when comparing my desired (say 10” ) drum tone/pitch to my drum heros Garibaldi, Enzo Todesco, Vinnie, Bissonette etc they were all very close to D#. So I matched my drums to the samples and didnt have to use much muffling. Hope that makes sense. I like your content I subscribed and invite you visit my youtube chan. As I said it’s not polished or purposed content. Its more for storage and sharing.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
@@MikeBixby thanks for your explanation, I’ll check out your channel!
@robsco12492 жыл бұрын
Energy vs Renown would be interesting.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
You buy and send me the Energy kit, I’ll do it. Already bought the Renown, so you’re getting the much better deal.
@robsco12492 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum ok I'll let you know soon.
@astrofranco2 жыл бұрын
The comparison should be made with the same tuning, while the renown is clearly a lower tuning.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Certainly can't argue with you, but if the drum doesn't sing in the same exact tuning, I'd rather hear a drum where it's sounding balanced and in tune with itself then making sure I'm using some identical setting on a tune bot. But again, I hear you.
@astrofranco2 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum The tuning of the set taken individually is not in question but the fact that they are compared, I repeat in my opinion, if they are not tuned in the same way, a reliable comparison cannot be made.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
@@astrofranco Sorry this video can't be helpful to you! Hope you didn't have to waste too much of your time or resources into watching it!
@thearchman4133 Жыл бұрын
Not much in it in the grand scheme of things I prefer the club hands down
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
I’m a huge fan of the Catalina’s as well!
@ericcurtis88243 жыл бұрын
The cats sound good, but I do hear a huge difference between the two. Renown is killer.
@malonedrum3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I imagine you have some serious hands on experience with these Renown’s to speak from experience…
@vibes..58511 ай бұрын
Hi, what's the different between the 2 kits ?, 👍
@tomkelsey2303 Жыл бұрын
The renown have that dropped-down kind of tone, reminiscent of old Yamaha RCs... 'Doon, Dooom, Dooooomm."
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
Probably a tuning thing, I feel like that comes with the top head being tighter than the bottom
@tomkelsey2303 Жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum actually, the opposite.
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
@@tomkelsey2303 what do I know
@kjellreidarhellum60063 ай бұрын
More punch in Renown
@malonedrum3 ай бұрын
Sure, I could see that.
@133sean Жыл бұрын
I think you may have just saved me about $4k...
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
Feel free to repay me through Venmo
@MultiSkyman1 Жыл бұрын
That Renown floor has some weird overtones.
@malonedrum Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I went by ear what sounded best to me, and left them wide open, so I'm sure there's some of that between the two kits.
@MultiSkyman16 ай бұрын
@@malonedrum Same heads right?
@malonedrum6 ай бұрын
@@MultiSkyman1 yes
@MultiSkyman16 ай бұрын
@@malonedrum Thx
@dul222 жыл бұрын
The snare on the Renown sounds better... :))
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
Interesting is they are actually the same snare. A Gretsch New Classic. I did the comparisons back to back so I can’t imagine the tuning changed at all either. Maybe just blended better with the particular set though.
@dul222 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum I was joking 😁
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
You never know on the internet these days… anyways, cheers mate!
@Es-ch3nn2 жыл бұрын
I am soooo BORED with the maple sound ... They all sound the same. Gretsch would be wise to offer a serious Birch kit .
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
I can’t say I’ve had the same issue, I’ve always been able to get extremely wide range of sounds/tones just from changing the variable things like heads, muffling, hoops, tuning, etc. I know the different wood specific would make a difference, but I’ve never felt limited to a particular sound based off shell material.
@Es-ch3nn2 жыл бұрын
... Once you play a Sonor SQ1 birch kit ... there is no going back ! ... It is truly in a league of it's own (as far as sound). THAT'S WHY I TRADED IN MY RENOWNS.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
@@Es-ch3nn I’m sure glad you found what works for you!
@Es-ch3nn2 жыл бұрын
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@romancastro_2 жыл бұрын
The snare on the renown is way better. over all the Renown is better here.
@malonedrum2 жыл бұрын
They’re the same snare
@romancastro_2 жыл бұрын
@@malonedrum well it does sound better in the renown clips🤷🏽♂️
@sogent5611 ай бұрын
True. Renown floor tom out of tune
@malonedrum11 ай бұрын
Ehhh, I’d argue that the way I tuned them may be a personal preference, but I don’t think it’s necessarily “out of tune”
@JoeMo20002 ай бұрын
Sound dead compared to Tama and Mapex.
@malonedrum2 ай бұрын
Hmmmm, can't say I share the same sentiment.
@JoeMo20002 ай бұрын
@malonedrum Well of course not because you're a Gretsch guy. The attack and response isn't there with Gretsch.
@malonedrum2 ай бұрын
@@JoeMo2000 ok, what specific construction/compenant factor makes Tama/Mapex have more life?
@JoeMo20002 ай бұрын
@malonedrum well as you should know, I'm not a drum manufacturer. I will say, though they do have hybrid shells. For example, hickory/birch or hickory/maple. Hickory is a great wood come to find out. Also, could be the plies and/or bearing edges... could be many things. One thing about Gretsch is they put coated heads on ALL their kits which could be some of the sound problems. They sound deep most of the time but dead attack most of the time.
@malonedrum2 ай бұрын
@@JoeMo2000 so it’s the heads, not the drums? I think heads influence the drum sound probably more than any other factor including bearing edges or shell construction (though they do have their place).