Man Utd win the League Cup, Celtic beat Rangers to silverware, Chelsea & Liverpool win nothing

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Michael Bailey, JJ Bull and Jon Mackenzie are here to talk about some football.
Manchester United ended their five year trophy drought by beating Newcastle United in the League Cup final.
We discuss if this is the symbolic start of something good for Erik Ten Hag and his team, and if the League Cup is a minor or major trophy…
In Scotland, Celtic win another League Cup and we ponder if the dominance of Ange Postecoglou’s side will keep on going. Forever.
Tottenham find themselves in the top four after beating a defensively and offensively lacklustre Chelsea 2-0. At this point, the redemption arc for Graham Potter at Chelsea is going to be quite epic if it does come…
We talk for a bit about quite how drastic the collapse in standards at Liverpool has been, and Jon gets very excited about Javi Gracia’s first game, and victory; as Leeds United manager.
Plus, we briefly look at how Paris St Germain will probably win Ligue Un again but probably not the Champions League.
And, even more briefly, we cast our eyes over the last 16 draw for the Europa League, Europe’s second most major, or minor; cup competition.
This episode of the Tifo football podcast is presented by Michael Bailey and produced by Steve Hankey.
Timestamps:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:30 Warm Hands Cool Embrace
00:02:40 EFL Cup Final
00:02:56 Is the EFL Cup a major trophy?
00:09:04 Manchester United aren't at the level they should be
00:14:55 Are we worried about Newcastle?
00:17:54 UEFA Cup Nostalgia
00:18:21 Scottish League Cup
00:24:37 Managers and Players moving from Scotland to England
00:30:08 BREAK
00:30:12 Tottenham 2 - 0 Chelsea
00:30:54 Chelsea are painful viewing...
00:34:59 Hi Joe!
00:35:00 What are Chelsea even doing?
00:36:40 Are Spurs good? No.
00:38:49 Is there a STRONG BATTLE for top 4?
00:41:28 Crystal Palace 0 - 0 Liverpool
00:42:48 Liverpool's sudden demise
00:45:20 Leeds 1 - 0 Southampton
00:52:10 BREAK
00:52:21 Marseille 0 - 3 PSG
00:59:24 Europa League Last 16 Draw
01:01:38 AND ANOTHER THING
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@mohammeddmalik Жыл бұрын

United fans aren't over the moon because it's a league cup, we're over the moon because ETH won silverware in his first season whilst: - having a 72% win rate in all competitions - being 6 points behind City with a game in hand - having just beaten Barcelona over 2 legs - being on a 17 game unbeaten run at OT - getting Rashford to score 25 goals by Feb - having a clear style of play and philosophy on the pitch Imagine I'd told you all the above would be the case after Rangnicks final game last season, you would have said that was impossible. No United fan is going to claim it's a big trophy, but the reason for so much optimism is because it's a trophy alongside everything else ETH is doing. There is belief in this manager and team like there hasn't been since SAF.

@simoneric4667 Жыл бұрын

I gotta admit I was triggered by Jon's analysis and maybe realising that was his intention as a contrarian. I doubt I will let that happen again. He's a rival fan and that's ok😉

@anmol3457 Жыл бұрын

Well pug.

@danmarshall4812 Жыл бұрын

Well said

@spek888 Жыл бұрын

I can’t stand this joe mckenzie guy view on United he thinks man United should be like Man City and dominating teams but u can win in dirty ways and always talking they’re. Not this jot that

@liamallen100 Жыл бұрын

JJ is spot on in his analysis of the league cup final. Jon is letting his bias creep in again. Winning any game 2-0 and restricting your opponent to 2 shots on target - I think anyone in their right mind would acknowledge that as a dominant tactical performance. Especially given that Newcastle had a week to prepare and United had 3 days max.

@anestojaga6442 Жыл бұрын

Jon's takes on United always sound biased. Seems like no matter what they do, he'll find something to complain about

@liamallen100 Жыл бұрын

@@anestojaga6442 yeah I always felt that and then it all made sense when I found out a few weeks ago that he's a Leeds fan. Calling the League Cup a minor trophy but I bet he'd give his left bollock for Leeds to win it.

@juwankane5150 Жыл бұрын

@@anestojaga6442 he’s a Leeds fan so he will be biased even if he can’t see it himself. Not a knock on the guy, he just obviously doesn’t want United to be good lol.

@eromoseleebozele7802 Жыл бұрын

You can clearly see the bias in jon . Dude expects us to play metal rock gengen pressing footy after playing a tough game against barca while Newcastle had a whole week to rest and prepare

@felixbache5369 Жыл бұрын

As a man u fan, I love John despite his bias. The more annoyed he sounds the better we're doing 😅

@usersomething29 Жыл бұрын

Without Joe this is becoming too real of a football podcast

@thulisagrootboom2346 Жыл бұрын

Yess, someone recognises

@seanfreimond Жыл бұрын

Im not here for info, I'm here for Joe getting bored and going on a tangent

@WanderingPropeller Жыл бұрын

He is missed, tho.

@domhuckle Жыл бұрын

I hate seeing this message as the first one in the comments section. I go from "yay - a tifo podcast" high to "oh, no Joe again" low

@derekm6200 Жыл бұрын

Much better without Joe. If I want to listen to someone go off topic every couple of minutes I'll speak to my autistic child

@HungryBellyT Жыл бұрын

Jon is in absolute agony whenever Man Utd do well, it’s delicious

@whiteninja2006 Жыл бұрын

Just as JJ said... if Newcastle had won the League Cup, it would have definitely counted as a Major Trophy.

@benedictharrison2819 Жыл бұрын

Because Newcastle aren't a big 6 club. it's impressive if a smaller club wins it. Less so if a big 6 club wins it. United fans were calling it a mickey mouse cup until a few weeks ago. Arsenal won the FA cup so much it got called a mickey mouse trophy by bitter rivals and that's a far bigger trophy than the carabao

@juwankane5150 Жыл бұрын

@@benedictharrison2819 it’s the third biggest trophy in English football. It should be routine for the top clubs to be involved every year, winning it is a professional achievement rather than a massive personal one like a league or a European Cup. United have a game at the weekend, they had 1 beer and then training was 9AM the next morning, business as usual. There’s a reason it the only trophy available mid season and that’s because it’s not as prestigious. Still nice to win.

@benedictharrison2819 Жыл бұрын

@@juwankane5150 yeh of course it's nice to win. You would much rather win it than not win it. I'm just refuting this guy's point that people are calling it a small trophy because United won it. It's the third biggest trophy in english footbal. I would argue the championship is a bigger trophy anyway just because of what it means to the club that wins it.

@whiteninja2006 Жыл бұрын

@@benedictharrison2819 My point was that we wouldn't have this argument of the League Cup being a major trophy or not if Newcastle had won it. We'd be all congratulating Newcastle for finally winning a major trophy in 67 years. But because United won it, who of course have had way more success in the past decades, it apparently isn't a major trophy anymore? That's not how it works. It's a major trophy, since all Premier League teams participate in it. Doesn't matter if you're a big 6 team or not.

@samuelloification2749 Жыл бұрын

It is a major trophy, the idea it isn't is just nonsense peddled by social media fans who care more about insulting other teams than praising their own

@WanderingPropeller Жыл бұрын

Jon mate, why are you on a Football podcast, and not a Leeds one? You were actually providing good insights once, not just salt. It’s times like these that I miss Alex.

@casper3424 Жыл бұрын

Jon fully contradicting him self first saying man united should play more attacking and then saying you should play deeper and more on the defence vs Newcastle.

@anuragjain5185 Жыл бұрын

I miss Alex.. he was unbiased and mostly factual.

@kelvinengland3991 Жыл бұрын

Autism is nice.

@yoshooie6512 Жыл бұрын

I miss Joe... He was biased and lied frequently

@deneomoloto3555 Жыл бұрын

@@yoshooie6512🤣🤣true

@ronanfitzpatrick1261 Жыл бұрын

... and talked about players I had to Google. Was an education

@Nightsu Жыл бұрын

Seb, Alex, Joe and JJ. Get Jon off now, hes jarring.

@henrypitsch8495 Жыл бұрын

Jon is seeming more and more sour. JJ is unbiased and maintains good tactical analysis because of that. Jon on the other hand, is losing the plot

@tommysmith7462 Жыл бұрын

Your right about Jon but JJ is NOT unbiased. If you'd seen the world cup podcast and anyone since then that JJ has been involved in.

@Blip-qz9ch Жыл бұрын

JJ doesn't like United either and I think irs because The 5-0 loss to Liverpool Personallt insulted him on a tactical level

@marsilfiliberti5155 Жыл бұрын

It's interesting because Jon has only been working in the football realm whilst Manchester United have been in turmoil. At some point many pundits, analysts and journalist will have to at least start acknowledging how good the team is playing. It's so strange to see and hear the genuine annoyance in him, it's very unprofessional. We need more people like JJ, his enthusiasm for the sport is refreshing. Also if Leeds had won a League Cup I think we would have heard a very different opinion.

@ardentspy Жыл бұрын

Get over yourself. He said your team was good.

@gravy3858 Жыл бұрын

oh please. Relax

@acoknitteruntemha Жыл бұрын

I think his only bias is against man united

@oamusic4710 Жыл бұрын

JJ has also said he doesn't like United but he's still willing to praise them if they do good the same way he will with any other team. Jon just refuses to do that

@richardvanzyl7066 Жыл бұрын

Ten hag has been in the job for 9 months, he won the first trophy available to him and now everyone wants to downplay it? And how were they playing underdog football? Newcastle are hard to beat and he tactically won the battle

@dancingcar8974 Жыл бұрын

Leave them mate..enjoy this silverware and we move to next one

@theblackswordsman9951 Жыл бұрын

Everyone downplayed Arteta's FA Cup win and forgot about it very soon after. He won that in his first 4 months in his very first management job. United fans are talking about this League Cup win like they've just won the League. Guess when you haven't won anything for 5 years the expectations go down, so I guess it makes sense.

@gm2407 Жыл бұрын

@@theblackswordsman9951I don't think of it as a PL championship. Just like winning first team competative trophies. If your in a competition it is nice to win it. But if we are downplaying here is a question. Not saying United will do this as would be extremely hard and unlikely, just something I was thinking about. Compare these seasons. Team 1 wins a domestic trebble, they were not in Europe. Team 2 Wins a domestic trebble and the Europa league. Team 3 Wins a domestic trebble and go out in the champions league at the round of 16. Do you think people would dismiss the team that won the quadroople due to it including the Europa League? As in it would be inferior to the other seasons.

@siddharthkhera7298 Жыл бұрын

I have started to dislike Jon a bit due to his negativity and disregard of emotions and narratives in football. The sport is a mixture of tactical/strategic perfection and intangible elements which makes it so beautiful!

@Jack-sc3dn Жыл бұрын

11:54 Imagine getting the incredibly unbiased Jon Mackenzie to talk about United winning a trophy and downplay the whole game and the tactics involved

@lukegrant3201 Жыл бұрын

Can someone explain to Jon that football isn’t won between the boxes? And that when you play 3 games in 7 days, you can’t just attack every single time. Good lord

@afellownerd Жыл бұрын

Glad JJ was here to talk some sense

@lukegrant3201 Жыл бұрын

@@afellownerd agreed haha Eddie Howe ironically summed it up the best. They played pretty well at times, but did the opposite in both boxes, and that’s where games are won and lost.

@Rassalcon Жыл бұрын

He's a Leeds fan, it's all he's got

@ayaoviespoirdjissenou8729 Жыл бұрын

Indeed, I don't understand Jon sometimes. he it too idealistic tbh, and sometimes thinks the game is played in a fictitious world where players come to every game 100% fit and fresh. But this is not the case. You cannot be playing a game every 3 days and maintain a high intensity in all of them.

@steliosp1770 Жыл бұрын

You expect too much from these idiots.

@chaos1464 Жыл бұрын

I once had respect for Jon Mackenzie. Once

@ApocaWho Жыл бұрын

Please don’t let John talk about United 🎉

@pratikchourasia8456 Жыл бұрын

United have played 4-5 games more than Newcastle in Feb month and with a lot of intensity with bigger, better teams so they had to come with a gameplan, Newcastle don't play with a lot of possession so ETH gave them possession so they looked more on the ball but United had effective possession that made them win the game. It's a stepping stone, hopefully first of many trophies under ETH and this squad never won anything,so now they have one trophy, hopefully they'll win a lot more and build winning mentality.

@sanele4780 Жыл бұрын

Most precise description of the game The hate from "neutral " journalists has been disgraceful. Can't call them professionals.

@cjmorton8631 Жыл бұрын

Jon is a hater he not going to knowledge that point he just hating we are getting better and better

@loubloom777 Жыл бұрын

@@sanele4780 He's far from neutral. Jon's a Leeds fan 🤣

@sanele4780 Жыл бұрын

@@loubloom777 I'm not just talking about TIFO, I'm talking about sky sports, BT Sport. When United win anything, "they're expected to beat Barcelona" "its just a Carabao cup against Newcastle" Whenever Real Madrid beats a PL team, "they didn't deserve it " "Liverpool were awful" It's never, wow, Real Madrid are incredible.

@dancingcar8974 Жыл бұрын

@@loubloom777 ofc...that's the reason🤣

@moistoast2298 Жыл бұрын

Jon works on a channel where they do tactical analysis nearly daily and he can’t see United were fully in control is insane to me. Newcastle rarely threatened

@collapsiblechair9112 Жыл бұрын

without stats personal bias rears its head

@DanielS10291 Жыл бұрын

Blinded by his bias

@dancingcar8974 Жыл бұрын

Biasness reduces one's intelligence to idiotic levels..not surprised

@kelvinengland3991 Жыл бұрын

I think he was saying that the style of game it became was probably not how Manchester United would have ideally liked but they aren't at the level yet where they can impose their style on other teams regularly.

@ebukaiwuagwu9371 Жыл бұрын

Newcastle rarely threatened?? What??

@alfiehaigh8412 Жыл бұрын

Jon is genuinely making this podcast unlistenable at this point. Ultimately people listen to these to learn and to have fun. Jon's providing neither of that atm. So blatantly misinformed and just outright depressive. Also people saying Manchester united fans just want Jon to gush about Manchester United, listen to what JJ is saying. Not over the top, not biased in the other direction and overly affectionate. Just genuine and accurate analysis of what happened, with a smile and passion whilst doing so.

@sammerry7706 Жыл бұрын

Jon can be fine but the united talk was wierd to listen too, he just dissagreed with jjs point without ever offering a counter argument

@TurtleFPL Жыл бұрын

Agree with this massively. He's genuinely pushing me away from the pod more and more each week

@booboosnack Жыл бұрын

I got excited when I saw Michael in the thumbnail (his love for Norwich City is admirable as hell, he's like a bubbly JJ) but I could barely get through the episodes over the last few weeks without Jon absolutely raining on every parade. Often found myself skipping to the Serie A analysis towards the end, and talks about the Prem shouldn't have to make me THIS sick.

@Nightsu Жыл бұрын

Exactly. JJ provides good analysis that's fair and unbiased. Jon just embarrasses himself. "Casemiro wouldn't have made the team better vs Arsenal. "Casemiro isn't good on the ball" "Ten Hag isn't a good tactical manager" etc.

@cage94123567890 Жыл бұрын

Aye, speaking as a toon fan with the exact same bias against Man U, it's getting really irritating. Makes me miss Alex really badly

@harisubbo7069 Жыл бұрын

God Jon has such a hard on for United. His Leeds loyalty inspired contrarianism is getting boring. Choosing to play on the counter against a team with a high line doesn't mean you got outplayed.

@lukegrant3201 Жыл бұрын

Especially when you’ve played 3 games in a week 😂

@billofbong Жыл бұрын

That is not what it means to have a hard on for lol

@cjmorton8631 Жыл бұрын

Jon will never knowledge that point he is just hating

@Jacky-Boy Жыл бұрын

Even JJ is giving Utd their due 😂

@morever7055 Жыл бұрын

Joe’s return is a matter of urgency now …

@DBrealmadrid9606 Жыл бұрын

Yeah Jon can’t seem to fathom that United’s lack of possession is a deliberate tactical decision.

@leejnew Жыл бұрын

Not a major trophy 😂 tell me Jon’s a bitter Leeds fan without telling me Jon’s a bitter Leeds fan

@aaaaab5909 Жыл бұрын

it isnt it is named after an energy drink lol

@vinaydatta1593 Жыл бұрын

Have you seen the opposition they faced? Get some perspective ffs

@leejnew Жыл бұрын

@@vinaydatta1593 so by that logic Swansea City have never won a major trophy because they faced league 2 Bradford City in the final in 2013?

@chrisryan3172 Жыл бұрын

tbf United fans were saying the Carabao cup isn't a major trophy until they finally won it However, Jon is salty lmao

@aakarmamtora3470 Жыл бұрын

@@vinaydatta1593 by that logic every team who didn't face "tough" opposition doesn't deserve it, which is a naive assumption. No idea which team you support but if you did this trophy you wouldn't be bemoaning about it so don't be a hypocrite.

@thorfinn7291 Жыл бұрын

John should exclude himself from any Manchester United discussions and analysis, he seemingly cant give objective views.

@ImanPirmo Жыл бұрын

Jon on this podcast is slowly allowing his bias (unconscious probably) to show through quite strongly and it is making the podcast less enjoyable at this point. Utd kept Newcastle at arm's length all game pretty much - restricted them to 2 shots on target. And to say the League Cup is not a major trophy is obtuse - does he not count Pep's Man City League Cup wins? And it is a big stepping stone for ETH and THIS Utd team JJ is pretty impartial and fair, no matter who he is analysing, which makes the podcast a lot more enjoyable.

@Azalas Жыл бұрын

Jon, I am sorry, but that is a shocking take regarding Manchester United. Maybe he had a bad day as honestly he sounds like he cannot be arsed being there and talking about it. As someone who understands pressing really well, I am very surprised Jon didn't notice how players like Bruno, Antony, Rashford etc. were all clearly pressing far less intensely than all season. Also, Mourinho has literally made a career out of controlling games out of possession and this game shows how you can do that in the modern era and make it look far better than just parking a bus. Stats and game style aren't written on the trophy, the winner is mate. Also, his inability to recognize the trophy is ridiculous. Like JJ said, if Newcastle won it, it would be an incredible feat. United have been abysmal and more or less a joke of a club since SAF left. This MAJOR trophy along with the progression in 3 other competitions is a clear indication that United are very much on the right path.

@fozzylozzy1131 Жыл бұрын

Leeds fans always have bad days, gonna be sad in the championship soon so we won't have to listen to then as much soon

@a.z Жыл бұрын

United is still terrible, also small silverware

@aaron3431 Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry but Jon’s takes in this podcast come off as purely bitter. 1. The EFL Cup is categorically a major trophy. He asks what a minor trophy is if the EFL is major whenever it’s not hard to wrap your head around that the minor trophies are ones like the Community Shield. I find it hard to believe this would’ve come up if Newcastle had won. 2. He critiques and almost laughs at people for claiming that united are “back.” No one is saying that because we’ve won the worst major trophy available to us this season, but because of what we’ve seen all season from this team and Ten Hag. Under Jose and LVG no one was saying that this was going to launch us to great things, but if you’ve followed United this season the signs are incredibly clear that Ten Hag is leading this team to great things after just half a season. Compare Ten Hag right now to Klopp, Pep or Arteta after 6 months. 3. After the game, pretty much the only sentiment from Bruno Fernandes and Ten Hag was, “this is the first one, there will be more.” Surely that shows an absolute elite mentality and desire, and this season they’ve showed the ability to back it. The fans and no one inside the club are getting ahead of themselves. 4. He criticises how United played in the game and says that they still aren’t at the level in terms of performance. United have played 19 games in 57 days since the World Cup, and had 2 days in training to prepare for this game (and recover from the Barca game). Newcastle had a full week to prepare for this. Newcastle never once seriously threatened United’s goal and he’s acting like United got lucky. Let’s not forget that Antony, Weghorst and Fred all missed pretty good chances as well. The only chances I can think that had me worried were the Murphy long shot at the very end, and when ASM rinsed Dalot in the first half. Of course United are going to take a back seat and let Newcastle run themselves out as they had the fresher legs. DDG, Martinez, Varane and Casemiro is such a strong spine that it allows United to just shut up games, and it’s exactly what they did. No one is saying that United will win a title playing like this, but once again, I don’t think Pep or Klopps’s teams were playing half as good as this United squad after 6 months. 5. Finally, didn’t this guy also criticise Casemiro and say he was over rated a few weeks ago? His hatred for United is so obvious in recent episodes and it’s absolutely glorious from a United fan’s perspective. However, it is damaging the podcast when a man who works on a channel that analyses the dynamics and tactics of football matches can’t see that United were always comfortable in the game.

@booboosnack Жыл бұрын

Summed it up perfectly.

@TheIrishFoley Жыл бұрын

Stop crying bozo lmao

@GJ1500dlo Жыл бұрын

I knew Jon was a wrongen, something doesn’t sit right with me about him

@dafunkyshit Жыл бұрын

Also Bruno's shot at the end where he probably should have passed it to Sancho

@enkala Жыл бұрын

You'd kinda be perfect for this pod mate

@Ishfarzzz94 Жыл бұрын

i love how jj is so cheery and upbeat right until the point he has to discuss aberdeen/spl and he becomes this jaded cynical husk of a man

@raihansiddique5210 Жыл бұрын

Jon's take on Man United was positive when ETH was starting out, sadly its not objective anymore.

@rahulk8322 Жыл бұрын

35:00! Joe's there. Saw him. The tiny window looking into the office behind Jon. It's like an Easter egg, hahaha! You see the hulking frame of Joe pass by for but only a fleeting moment. Or did I imagine that?

@oxmox86 Жыл бұрын

Think you are right. Well spotted.

@finzer4000 Жыл бұрын

Wonder why he's not on the pod

@madridista6862 Жыл бұрын

Its like a Bigfoot sighting

@aniruddhamersey4139 Жыл бұрын

They don't seem to understand that united have played 4 more games than Newcastle THIS month alone. Also, united have literally played every 3 days since the world cup ended, with a thin squad. Newcastle are the most energetic/intense team in the league, why is Jon so bitter, it adds nothing positive to the pod

@WanderingPropeller Жыл бұрын

Jon doesn’t. JJ and Michael were very reasonable.

@andatoren4768 Жыл бұрын

John being a man united hater is my favorite arc (from a man united fan)

@oliverd8298 Жыл бұрын

You'd never guess Jon is a Leeds fan would you 🤣

@domhuckle Жыл бұрын

All these comments about Jon - you've got it spot on. I will acknowledge Leeds when they're good, but I won't be happy about it

@papayapie2 Жыл бұрын

Jon clearly likes the "Luis Enrique" and sometimes the "pep ball", keep the ball the whole game, keep passing it from one cb to another and take no risk or tweak in tactics and eventually lose to Morocco. Lol

@eaglefan1124 Жыл бұрын

This is the most boring football to watch in my opinion.

@TurtleFPL Жыл бұрын

I get he supports Leeds and I'm not looking for gushing praise for where United are at all, but John's bitterness towards them is growing tiresome at this stage

@vipulvij3 Жыл бұрын

Jon's idealistic and very obviously biased analysis of United on a weekly basis is becoming a bit annoying. We played THREE GAMES in 8 days, newcastle had those days to prep for the final. We also played a game every 2.5 days on average for the whole of february (the most in the league), newcastle's best player had a couple of weeks off, and we TOOK OUR CHANCES. How are you paid for opinions on football but all your thoughts are generated through books? How do you NOT look at real-life circumstances and how they can have a huge impact on players? I miss Alex. He was so good, so balanced, and genuinely smart.

@mattcohen7073 Жыл бұрын

Cope

@vipulvij3 Жыл бұрын

@@mattcohen7073 chup bc

@omerta131 Жыл бұрын

Need a debate between Jon and Jose Mourinho. I would love to see Jon explain to Mourinho that the 'titles' he have won at United are all minor trophies.

@aakarmamtora3470 Жыл бұрын

Why what did jon say now? Haven't watched the podcast yet

@00dude3 Жыл бұрын

Mourinho literally called the Europa league a minor trophy...

@cjmorton8631 Жыл бұрын

@aakarmamtora3470 I swear his team is garbage so he hating right now

@Jacky-Boy Жыл бұрын

Jon was downing bottles of haterade before this podcast 😃

@ZeeROGBA Жыл бұрын

Starting to feel Jon is becoming too over critical of Manchester United. The team have played too many games this month including one against the best team in Spain this season. It makes sense to take a conservative approach like Man Utd did against a relatively fresh and energy intensive Newcastle United. Besides, he should not forget that Manchester United don’t have the best technical midfielders yet, so you can’t control every game. It was a tactical masterclass from Erik Ten Hag.

@loubloom777 Жыл бұрын

Newcastle had 2 shots on goal, 1 for each half. United had 10. ETH played a cup final football and got the cup in the end. Easy breezy

@ragecandy Жыл бұрын

Glasses dude claiming Newcastle were better when they got 2 shots on target vs 10 from Man Utd 😂

@jarunia17 Жыл бұрын

He has a name you know. I don't agree with Jon but you can at least be respectful about it.

@ragecandy Жыл бұрын

@@jarunia17 he has a name and is the dude with the glasses too 🤷‍♂️

@cage94123567890 Жыл бұрын

@@jarunia17 Yes, the goblin king

@TheLj1795 Жыл бұрын

Is it too much to ask not to have John talk about Man United ever? His takes are stupidly bias at this point

@ukbigjon Жыл бұрын

Yes, it's a major trophy. Of the major trophies, it isn't the most prestigious; but it's still a major trophy. The best teams compete for it; so it is a trophy at the highest level. A minor trophy would be the championship and lower leagues; or the FA and EFL Trophies, etc. Or indeed the Europa Conference League. The Europa League is probably more in the middle; just because, generally, the very best teams aren't competing for it; but it is still a significant trophy itself.

@gm2407 Жыл бұрын

I don't think lower league trophies are minor, they are obviously lesser than PL, but they are more major than u23 and u18 trophies as they are first team trophies. I would say a manager who won a few lower league titles has done well in the game and got the most out of their teams, probably deserving at a shot on a PL team.

@ukbigjon Жыл бұрын

@@gm2407 they are minor because of the standard of the competition for them. That doesn't mean any trophy is easy to win, nor that it isn't an achievement to do so.

@arguitarmusic Жыл бұрын

Every time Joe hosts the podcast, I have a good laugh a couple of times while listening. Every time somebody else hosts the podcast, it’s like a transcript from a match analysis article.

@glenrobinson10 Жыл бұрын

Jon is a Leeds fan that loves Manchester City... why does he keep having the most to say on Manchester United?

@TurtleFPL Жыл бұрын

At some point, those within football need to put childish biases to bed. Jon needs to do so or get off this pod. The United sections are insufferable with him and his bitterness frankly

@lukehardwill Жыл бұрын

Standard johns hatred of man utd shows again 🙄

@simoneric4667 Жыл бұрын

It is so obvious how Jon loves to suppress and play down Man United at every opportunity. Remember how he played down Casemiro who ends up being player off the match in yet another final in less than a year? Even a non-united fan can agree this guy has a bias. And most of that team just played BARCELONA 3 days earlier, a Barca team that lost on the weekend, some might say due to they massive energy expended on Thursday. Easy explanation for the drop in quality on the ball.

@amituna7903 Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure all he said was Casemiro wasn't the most amazing player ever and still instead said he's a very good and important player for man u

@simoneric4667 Жыл бұрын

@@amituna7903 Context is important. The context was whether losing him was a huge blow to the team for example against Arsenal and whether that makes a difference. All u have to do is watch this final where Newcastle dominated the ball to get an answer. And there's a reason he was just announced in the Fifa men's best 11. Jon has an agenda full stop.

@amituna7903 Жыл бұрын

Arsenal were playing incredibly well and would still probably have won. Again Jon has even clarified he thinks Casemeiro is a great player, just not buying into the absolute hyperbole around him

@ardentspy Жыл бұрын

@@amituna7903 You're wasting your time talking sense to the ManU plastics. Unless he acclaimed them as the greatest side ever to win the most coveted trophy in the world with a team made of true footballing giants, including Casemiro, a godlike figure, they'd be upset.

@simoneric4667 Жыл бұрын

@@amituna7903 He's just been named in the Fifa best 11 meaning he's been the best or one of the best midfielders in the world in the past year. Sundays final he scores and plays a man of the match performance. Man of the match in last year's Champions league final. It's precisely in games where teams play better than us in certain periods that players like Case shine. Look at table topping Barcelona as yet another example when united played them and he was crucial in thise two games. So saying arsenal played incredibly well actually further proves the difference he could have made. Its so hard for defensive players to get the plaudits they continually prove to deserve.

@jordan586 Жыл бұрын

Jon is a strange little man

@moleman4054 Жыл бұрын

Sour Leeds baldy 😢

@DanielS10291 Жыл бұрын

Leeds fan says trophy united win isnt a big trophy. Leeds fan says united are playing ‘bad football’. Very salty

@finzer4000 Жыл бұрын

Give it a rest Jon

@derrickokoth6797 Жыл бұрын

Jon's making this look like an overrated TALKSPORT because of it's relation to the athletic credibility. The guy's blinded to facts being pointed out by JJ on Newcastle v. UNITED and runs a narrative to suit a particular objective and whine fans up to get interactions. So dumb for someone who claims to know anything about football

@chappyhall6682 Жыл бұрын

I am over the moon as a Man Utd fan because I never had the privilege of watching us win trophies under Fergie. The only silverware I remember watching us win was under Jose and it always felt ropey and like we could collapse at any moment. For me it was a huge moment and silverware is silverware.

@Diddy007 Жыл бұрын

If Joe was here he'd start poking Jon about his Casemiro takes and making fun of him for suggesting the League Cup isnt a trophy.

@booboosnack Жыл бұрын

There are three levels of Leeds fan: The owners of Toronto's Kops Records, Ellis of AwayDays, and Jon Mackenzie. You can see where the safest areas are when considering who to bring into footballing discussions. The biggest mistake this episode made by FAR was not bringing Carl Anka in, his perspective on this final would have been priceless.

@clobbopus_used_beat Жыл бұрын

I feel like Jon is tripping over himself not to give Man Utd credit like they really had that game handily and it's not because Newcastle played a bad one. The podcast is still great as ever I love having a little bit deeper analysis tho I'll be glad for Joe's humor when he's back.

@finzer4000 Жыл бұрын

Have Real Madrid not often played like underdogs in big games over the past few seasons? Won a few things along the way

@gluestix17 Жыл бұрын

Jon I love you but stop being a salty Leeds fan 😭😭. we played cup football cause we've been playing almost every 3 days for this whole month so we can't exactly play Ten Hag ball every game for 90mins

@hanspillow278 Жыл бұрын

Jon on a comedown this week or something? 😂

@GrahamPlays Жыл бұрын

John seems depressed, I miss Joe 😢

@amituna7903 Жыл бұрын

He sounds sick

@stephanehuguenin6775 Жыл бұрын

Europa League is clearly a major trophy. Imo it's like the international equivalent of winning your national cup (the champions league being the international equivalent of winning your league)

@anthonyscott4885 Жыл бұрын

Ask a spurs fan what we think bout trophies, i cherish our last trophy just like United cherished their last!

@lukegrant3201 Жыл бұрын

Aaron Mooy is mint. He played really well in the Cup Final

@dennydonz Жыл бұрын

9:37 are we going to ignore the fact that Manchester United played Newcastle three days after Barcelona? Of course, Newcastle will be sharper with 8 days off. Even Barca lost a la liga game after playing Manchester United, despite only conceding 7 goals all season. The agenda against Manchester united is real

@user-nd3ks4mi7b Жыл бұрын

Cry harder Jon. Despite having less time to prepare and more tired players, we had 10 shots on target while limiting Newcastle to only one. It's shocking that a supposed "football analyst" would claim/imply that just because a team doesn't have majority possession means they are the worse team. Man united have beaten most of the top 6 with less possession! What the hell is Jon talking about?

@ImanPirmo Жыл бұрын

Also, possession does not = controlling the game. With Utd 2-0 after 35/40 mins, why would they willingly open themselves up at the back by throwing men forward? But better to absorb the pressure of a stunted Newcastle team

@tobyjimmy7194 Жыл бұрын

JON should get his salt levels checked, lol

@princegumbo2382 Жыл бұрын

Jon is a bitter chap aint he? 😂

@sammerry7706 Жыл бұрын

Joe would have poked at him for about 20 minutes for sounding so miserable 🤣

@callum7077 Жыл бұрын

Been watching the podcast for as long as it’s been a thing, but I’m starting to skip episodes now due to Jon’s blatantly biased United takes. I’m not looking for glowing gushing praise, I just want informative, objective analysis which is factual to the game and the situation around it, but done in a fun way, like JJ and formerly Alex used to do. He’s increasingly letting bias and bitterness get in the way of that, it’s like we watched two different games. I get nobody is truly unbiased, but it’s the job of an analyst to not let that creep into your work. He seems to completely omit the fact that we’d played 3 games in 7 days too, including one against Barcelona, so we couldn’t play a high-pressing, ball-dominant system in this final. Despite that, we controlled the game without the ball instead, and made Newcastle go down all the channels we wanted. You’d think he’d know possession ≠ dominance working for a football analysis channel, the game is won in the boxes and we did our work professionally in both. At no point did we look particularly in danger or on the ropes. I like Tifo for being objective and having great analysis, so this weird bias Jon has feels jarring, and it’s now starting to affect his talking points. Thank God JJ is there to check him and provide genuine analysis, or it’d be completely unwatchable. It’s so weird because I thought Jon started out brilliantly, but now just seems increasingly salty and it’s raining on the fun of the podcast. Missing Alex more and more these days.

@ethanderrick8486 Жыл бұрын

God I want Alex back. His dry wit was amazing, and counterbalanced JJ so well

@amituna7903 Жыл бұрын

STOP DISCUSSING FOOTBALL SO MUCH. WHATS GOING ON?

@jamesburt9818 Жыл бұрын

I swear this is like the fifth or sixth time JJ has said "I don't wanna slag Alexander-Arnold off because he gets it so much..." and then gets straight to the point 😂😂😂

@saladin2020 Жыл бұрын

There's just too much salt in Jon's comments when it comes to Man United.

@fplgregfrost Жыл бұрын

The Scottish Football insight was actually very enjoyable. Belittling Manchester United's achievement just left a sour taste. I'm sure some fans would have enjoyed the marginalization if you have a penchant for distain against the red devils.

@jacknicol5038 Жыл бұрын

I’m sorry but the Scottish league cup discussion was anything but insightful

@stevencampbell2018 Жыл бұрын

I love the Scottish football discussion

@CarKiller92 Жыл бұрын

John "I dont like MU" McKenzie

@BEnne1985 Жыл бұрын

Tifo podcast videos without timestamps is anxiety-inducing 😅

@oursvista Жыл бұрын

Jon takes the Piers Morgan angle to anything related to United

@patrickmccorley6902 Жыл бұрын

Jon's tears are the best part of these podcasts.

@shreegummalla6394 Жыл бұрын

Can we not have Jon in any united analysis anymore? I really love this channel, and I respect his knowledge, but clearly, everyone in the tifo team can see its leaving a sour note on their videos. Look at the comments he is clearly unhappy. Its coming to a point where I find myself less excited and not wanting to see tifo videos anymore. Quite certain that's the case for many others. Would love JJ to do all of United's analysis and let Jon do Leed's analysis once they are in the championship :)

@benyoung4305 Жыл бұрын

Both J.J and John are right Utd have a long way to go but I'd agree with J. J's analysis and explanation of his view about the EFL final. John seems to let his bias against Utd play to much of a part in his punditry. Something I've seen on multiple occasions since he joined the channel. Therefore, I think J J is a better pundit. John is pretty much curled up with rage when talking about Utd's EFL win, doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to denigrate a well deserved win for Utd.

@bhvithai5327 Жыл бұрын

I've been reading "Inverting the Pyramid" and JJ's rant about Scottish football was so interesting. Very cool to hear that Scotland pride themselves on being the "founders" of fast passing, ball on the ground football. Clearly some very talented players in that league who play attractive football too.

@steerj07 Жыл бұрын

John seems to think that every final ever that teams go hell for leather. Never happens. Sunday was the same as 99% of finals. Cagey and tight.

@tjonas1986 Жыл бұрын

JJ, the Asprilla hattrick was in the 97/98 CL. The Ginola goal was against Ferencvaros in the 96/97 UEFA Cup, a game in which Asprilla also scored two. Interestingly, the UEFA website records the game as being in the Europa League.

@ay613 Жыл бұрын

The UEFA Cup was the old Europa League.

@tjonas1986 Жыл бұрын

@@ay613 Yes, I know. That's why it's interesting.

@decbo4347 Жыл бұрын

Good to see Joe on the podcast again at 34:57

@ryansewell4453 Жыл бұрын

Jon is insufferable isn’t he 😂

@hellostckhlm1419 Жыл бұрын

Jon finds it so difficult to put his Leeds biases to one side, it’s hilarious 😂

@zagreus101 Жыл бұрын

Of course the league Cup is a major trophy. If you win it, you get European football. The smaller trophy are things like the Johnstone Paint Trophy or FA Trophy

@zChocobo Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the content. Japan/Celtic player focus would be a video I'd watch

@aidanmagill6769 Жыл бұрын

Tifo's great. Where else would you get a podcast that follows up United vs Newcastle with coverage of the amateur game?

@Tirthankar17 Жыл бұрын

Love the podcast but missing Joe!

@eldonpaul8761 Жыл бұрын

Bro Manchester United just had a tough game with Barca 3 days before. Ten Hagg did the best tactics consider the number of games the team has

@jhhgdsruk Жыл бұрын

John's hatred towards United is becoming boring.. I am not even a united fan

@lwandilemsiza8027 Жыл бұрын

He's so bitter.

@amituna7903 Жыл бұрын

Huh? How has he shown hatred to man u? All he's said recently is Casemeiro isn't the most amazing player ever and the carabao Cup isn't a major trophy, which it isn't (I'd still love to win a carabao cup regardless but you can't say it's a major trophy when you only need to win a few games in the middle of the season to win it. Major trophies normally close out the season and have far more fixtures to win it and more prestige. Premier league/European trophies are major trophies. You'd never put the carabao Cup on the same level as them

@mymindisforsale Жыл бұрын

i love jj bull the bullet.

@murphy369 Жыл бұрын

Just discovered Jon is a Leeds fan; it all makes sense now.

@iplaypocketfjords Жыл бұрын

Jon's take on Plop started w/ "can't get my head around why such a good team is struggling...& in the same sentence "Team is aging, players off the boil, mo..." I can't get my head around why he is analysing football at all.

@ApocaWho Жыл бұрын

Alex Stewart needed on a short term long until the end of the season

@CharlesOffdensen Жыл бұрын

Minor trophy is something like Joan Gamper Trophy. If it is a professional competition, it is a major trophy. I agree, it's still stupid, because obviously winning the cup is less important than winning the title. Let alone in England, where they have 3 different cup completions and a supercup. What is even the point in having different cups?

@urmeekhan Жыл бұрын

Jon Mackenzie gives Leeds fans a bad name ... and that's saying something.

@Yorkshireman5 Жыл бұрын

You're club employees rapists I'd look closer to home first.

@timdurgan Жыл бұрын

Minor trophies - Community Shield and that donkey new Euro vase whatever. Also, Championship trophy, FA Vase trophy and probably the Super Cup and Club World Cup Major trophy - the other two domestic cups, the Europa, the PL and CL