Manchester City’s Alleged FFP Breaches & Chelsea’s Spending Spree | Overlap Fan Debate Part 1

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The Overlap

The Overlap

Күн бұрын

The Overlap is back and we’re in our brand new home, ready for a debate.
We’ve got Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher, and some of the biggest fan channels across the country.
First up we look at Manchester City, and the news surrounding the alleged FFP breaches. We’re joined by Matt Slater & Sam Lee from The Athletic to share insight on the rulings, before diving into Chelsea’s spending spree.
We’ve got Part Two & Three coming out very soon, subscribe now & make sure to turn notifications on.
00:00-25:35 Manchester City’s FFP breaches
25:36-36:50 Chelsea’s spending spree

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@stuartswanton1676
@stuartswanton1676 Жыл бұрын
Great idea getting the journalists involved, adds a lot of information rather than just speculation to these chats.
@FuncleB
@FuncleB Жыл бұрын
Matt Walker is a class act. Should get Kieran Maguire on at somepoint too 👍🏻
@lee97ynwa74
@lee97ynwa74 Жыл бұрын
Football doesn't have much talk about actual Football these days does it?
@Vss86
@Vss86 Жыл бұрын
Not a fan ! Should just be fans Or carra neville should have checked all the facts before coming on Otherwise it be full of journos sitting out in front
@Adsddg
@Adsddg Жыл бұрын
Only thing to pick at is maybe a bit longer. But yeah much more interactive, great show
@benhopson95
@benhopson95 Жыл бұрын
Robbie has been relegated
@aaronconnolly935
@aaronconnolly935 Жыл бұрын
Gary loves the phrase “The next 12-18 months “ 😂
@rhvon_5813
@rhvon_5813 Жыл бұрын
🤣
@Matt-ft2fc
@Matt-ft2fc Жыл бұрын
And “at this moment in time”
@ImranMalik-xl1iy
@ImranMalik-xl1iy Жыл бұрын
And to be fair
@leedavies7214
@leedavies7214 Жыл бұрын
I wish I played for Liverpool
@itsagameaboutfindingspace6352
@itsagameaboutfindingspace6352 Жыл бұрын
Harry Kane is gold
@andrewking_8
@andrewking_8 Жыл бұрын
Let’s goooo! Always a great convo. Thankfully the City news didn’t come out right after this was recorded
@Moltzenn
@Moltzenn Жыл бұрын
Robbie did well to restrain himself after uttering the name Samir Nasri, thought he was gonna throw hands for a moment there..
@ravd8082
@ravd8082 2 ай бұрын
sheikh Mansour owes it to the payers of man city his firm ADUG has secretly being funded sponsorship deals on behalf of Etihad airways for the last 10 years
@michaelchristian7938
@michaelchristian7938 Жыл бұрын
Premium overlap seats - sitting and looking at the back of Gary’s and Carra’s head for an hour plus 😂
@geckopubg
@geckopubg Жыл бұрын
Some would say that's Gary's better side
@Shrewdy1
@Shrewdy1 Жыл бұрын
@@geckopubg Gis a lend of 20 quid pal
@FatTodd
@FatTodd Жыл бұрын
@@geckopubg you thought you were the big man on the block splashing your cash and now the emir of Qatar is gonna come humble you and destroy all of us. Nice one Todd
@davidekstein129
@davidekstein129 Жыл бұрын
Sardines in a carra-nevell can. London delicacy.
@WilfChadwick
@WilfChadwick Жыл бұрын
Gary really does not want to go hard on this. FA national audits inbound, especially for teams with foreign investors, Salford City. Set trousers to 'soil'!
@HitmanKurt
@HitmanKurt Жыл бұрын
Fergie winning another PL 10 years after the final whistle in his final game?! …..The ultimate Fergie time.
@Supersleuth42
@Supersleuth42 Жыл бұрын
He’s busy paying back the hundreds of thousands in tax that he avoided whilst United manager!
@lukeoneill513
@lukeoneill513 Жыл бұрын
😂 You little genius
@fox2569
@fox2569 Жыл бұрын
Lmao
@daquaviousbingleton9763
@daquaviousbingleton9763 Жыл бұрын
Ferguson masterclass he predicted this
@NOORAHMED-wi8hy
@NOORAHMED-wi8hy Жыл бұрын
Few days ago - Pep calls out 9 PL Clubs writing to PL to have City Banned,while Chelsea spend 600M Few days later - PL Sanction City PL not Corrupt?😂
@UvKal_zA
@UvKal_zA Жыл бұрын
This was brilliant! Thank you so much for the amazing content 🙏🔥
@colinburns9736
@colinburns9736 Жыл бұрын
Good watch. Well done to all. Decent debate. Respect. Learning. Great stuff. Do more of this. Enough said.
@dylancarey7711
@dylancarey7711 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Nice work.
@1977Suspiria
@1977Suspiria Жыл бұрын
Before I watch this, somebody better get Carragher to address his comments about Martinez, he's been ducking the topic for months. 😆
@TheOverlap
@TheOverlap Жыл бұрын
Stay tuned 👀
@Parky_1712
@Parky_1712 Жыл бұрын
Need to get Howson on here for that!!
@samknightley4173
@samknightley4173 Жыл бұрын
@@TheOverlap get in
@LoCoAde87
@LoCoAde87 Жыл бұрын
Do we ignore the United fans majorly screaming at Ten Haag to move him to DM or LB after a couple of games too???
@Parky_1712
@Parky_1712 Жыл бұрын
@@LoCoAde87 Yes, cause they're idiots
@sibusisokhosa8127
@sibusisokhosa8127 Жыл бұрын
Great show guys,appreciate the content
@goofysmp
@goofysmp Жыл бұрын
This has got to be my favourite football channel rn. Everyone gets a chance to say their peace and they’re all really knowledgeable people
@natmol1595
@natmol1595 Жыл бұрын
Kiss arse clown world loves you too
@JanCastellari
@JanCastellari Жыл бұрын
Nice format - looking forward to watching into the future
@Dakay22
@Dakay22 Жыл бұрын
these videos just brighten up my day. thank you very much.
@zofiamayadams8780
@zofiamayadams8780 Жыл бұрын
Good to see you back! Get the next parts up quick :)
@Killerkwoi13
@Killerkwoi13 Жыл бұрын
Great show, good to see a couple of new faces now from some clubs as well.
@tjfaber3071
@tjfaber3071 Жыл бұрын
Exactly 💯 💯 what I needed 👏 thanks overlap
@alexunitedstand2210
@alexunitedstand2210 Жыл бұрын
"The equivalent of when your gf asks to show your phone and you refuse" LOOOOOOOOL
@Boyd2ubaikie
@Boyd2ubaikie Жыл бұрын
You're basically vindicating City with that point.
@Manu-ij7hk
@Manu-ij7hk Жыл бұрын
Was waiting for this one 🙂
@johndoherty6729
@johndoherty6729 Жыл бұрын
I love the over lap, great show!
@davidb9059
@davidb9059 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to watching loads more episodes .
@willfraser6385
@willfraser6385 Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see this live in June !
@edwardisyagi7888
@edwardisyagi7888 Жыл бұрын
Am glad Gary has mentioned the price factors for positions in football...it's hard to make sense. Football agents, press and clubs need to be put to check
@iam-man
@iam-man Жыл бұрын
Football agents are a cancer , surely there's alternatives to these parasites...
@drep9028
@drep9028 Жыл бұрын
Agree...I would say that's a better way to attempt to limit a monopoly.
@thomasrichards3760
@thomasrichards3760 Жыл бұрын
As with anything, it’s not what you know - but who you know. £30-40M worth of player like Ruben Neves move to Wolves in Championship - when every top club in Europe would have taken him for right price.
@thomasrichards3760
@thomasrichards3760 Жыл бұрын
Players and agents now run the market of transfers. All the power is in the hands of the players, and clubs will work with likes of Mendea and Kia Jorabarichshsgan to smooth those costs. Ruben Neves doesn’t end up at Wolves, and Tevez/Mascherano never play for West Ham
@PLUTOXGOAT
@PLUTOXGOAT Жыл бұрын
It's a very socialist type concept, trying to limit the gap between the top and the bottom. It will never work.
@ggates2500
@ggates2500 Жыл бұрын
Great show & great format, cheers for doing this. PLEASE sort out some compression & limiting in the audio level haha
@mancityscot
@mancityscot Жыл бұрын
Fair play to Steven, did well. Can't be easy being in a room where 90% of who's there have already made up their mind that city are guilty.
@Efcdan1878
@Efcdan1878 Жыл бұрын
99% , City fans are showing selective blindness , they have cheated .... FFP is unfair at times but they bought the Etihad naming rights off Manchester council for £2m and sold them for £300m literally the next day , inflated sponsors to cheat round FFP
@konkerballs1
@konkerballs1 Жыл бұрын
Lovely, can't wait for the Dublin show.. Overlap has been well missed...
@callumw6031
@callumw6031 Жыл бұрын
Gary is bang on the money on FFP and sustainability within football, even though it does serve his best interests at Salford
@paulmallon9292
@paulmallon9292 Жыл бұрын
Its a pretty socialist model. It won't ever happen. I'm not saying it shouldn't but it is hugely unlikely.
@jayjay3334
@jayjay3334 Жыл бұрын
And of course he will change once United is bough by a Qatari investor 😁
@benhopson95
@benhopson95 Жыл бұрын
Robbie has been relegated
@thinlizzywhiskeyinmejar7484
@thinlizzywhiskeyinmejar7484 Жыл бұрын
I think Chev Neville is against the FFP exactly because of Salford. He said in a interview on Sky Sports that owners should be spend how much they want. Maybe he's changing his tone, because he knows majority are against it. He shifts his stand constanstly.
@boatymcboatyface
@boatymcboatyface Жыл бұрын
@@thinlizzywhiskeyinmejar7484 When FFP was pitched, it was to stop clubs from going into administration. If an owner puts up their own money (not debt in the club's name), then it can't hurt the club. FFP was stated to help clubs become sustainable, in reality it's biggest impact was cementing existing hierarchies and increasing inequality between clubs.
@mixitube489
@mixitube489 Жыл бұрын
This is a very good type of football talk show. Getting foorball journalists and football l personalities and experts together in person to discuss. Just come across it and subscribed. Love it.
@jimjam_games5783
@jimjam_games5783 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant, love the new studio. Will enjoy this
@MickeyRedNose
@MickeyRedNose Жыл бұрын
Nice one, just sat down with a cup of tea. Cheers ☕
@willyt6616
@willyt6616 Жыл бұрын
Love the overlap!
@georgeheaton
@georgeheaton Жыл бұрын
I’m glad Sam Lee from The Athletic is on here he’s great on podcasts out there and a really eloquent bloke who knows his stuff 👍🏻
@joncamilleri2172
@joncamilleri2172 Жыл бұрын
I love what this channel is doing, the interviews and supporter debates. Having a home is important, so the studio is a good decision.
@notafuckingvlogger
@notafuckingvlogger Жыл бұрын
Get a grip
@joncamilleri2172
@joncamilleri2172 Жыл бұрын
@@notafuckingvlogger Thanks for the comment
@surendran9311
@surendran9311 Жыл бұрын
@@notafuckingvlogger maybe you should? :)
@andrew13yt
@andrew13yt Жыл бұрын
​@@surendran9311 He was probably doing that while he typed with his other hand
@beatzguy
@beatzguy Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for the part where Joe calls out Carragher again! UP THE PADDOCK
@ab0596
@ab0596 Жыл бұрын
Gimp
@samknightley4173
@samknightley4173 Жыл бұрын
Same here, wanna see his takes on Liverpool and ask Jamie what his opinion is on Licha now
@Ladtyuven223
@Ladtyuven223 Жыл бұрын
Is that the half horse, half man ponytail guy that sits through watchalongs looking like he wants to die all the time? “oh, 2-0 cool😔”
@bluesEvanskro
@bluesEvanskro Жыл бұрын
Lol United fans always make it about themselves
@bluesEvanskro
@bluesEvanskro Жыл бұрын
@@Ladtyuven223wait who’s that he sounds sad poor guy
@peikernchua3850
@peikernchua3850 Жыл бұрын
Great content ❤
@theianprender-cast3863
@theianprender-cast3863 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic to have the Fan Debates back, love the new studio set-up… but go back to the longer form edit, please. I understand why you’d want to edit for time, but it makes the episodes and the chat a bit clunky. The best format is the one you allow to breathe.
@J1_A1
@J1_A1 Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more with Gary about his view on FFP, it’s just a way to keep the big clubs at the top, nothing fair about it
@phatbi971
@phatbi971 Жыл бұрын
Wow this new studio is wonderful 🔥
@Smokey_MR2
@Smokey_MR2 Жыл бұрын
Its simple, I see the Overlap I hit like and sit back to enjoy! Always fantastic content, just wish there were more of them!
@Smokey_MR2
@Smokey_MR2 Жыл бұрын
@@barker1438 Agree with that, so wish it was more often but I guess hard for Gary and Carra with their workloads. Thanks for the comment bud!
@8innergate
@8innergate Жыл бұрын
Love this but for the editors @The Overlap could use some better audio compression or limiting, hard to find a good volume
@DanReado
@DanReado Жыл бұрын
Could listen to matt slater about football finances all day. Great insight 👍
@GarlicbreadmanOP
@GarlicbreadmanOP Жыл бұрын
Hope the other parts are released pronto!
@wriches
@wriches Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to GNev once again doubling down on Arsenal not making the top four!
@GarlicbreadmanOP
@GarlicbreadmanOP Жыл бұрын
@@wriches and carra saying something very dumb
@readventurekids
@readventurekids Жыл бұрын
Love Flav chuckling away with Robbie. Brilliant!
@D3athW1ng
@D3athW1ng Жыл бұрын
Lol the phone Comment at 14:10 was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣 - spot on
@buffywhatever1093
@buffywhatever1093 Жыл бұрын
Great content this, Gaz & Carra knocking it outta the park……and to think we had to tolerate Keys & Gray for so long, can you imagine the set they’d have built, a boys club with dolly birds serving them gin & tonics, babbling on about black boots and foreign players diets!!!
@mathrockmaniac7643
@mathrockmaniac7643 Жыл бұрын
Absolutley love Neville even as a City fan, he always has a good point of view most of the times, one of the best pundits out there in my opinion.
@3bladeninja21
@3bladeninja21 Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣💀
@ANGELOFDARKification
@ANGELOFDARKification Жыл бұрын
A lot of people wouldn't give him a hard time if he wasn't ex-United imo. They think he has an agenda for rivals even though he's said great things about Liverpool, City and Arsenal. He is definitely biased around United and specifically Ole but you can't throw your boy under the bus 😂
@3bladeninja21
@3bladeninja21 Жыл бұрын
@@ANGELOFDARKification Hargreaves is an ex united fan and he is much more level headed. Also doesn't get a hard time. It's not because of the club.
@ringlora2
@ringlora2 Жыл бұрын
yea not like them liverpool pundits that just slag united off every time they are on, and if it's not united it's united's players.
@nikonumminen
@nikonumminen Жыл бұрын
As a city fan respect to gary neville👏
@dblain2729
@dblain2729 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Si for the Chelsea point of view, excellent job explaining how we view things and surviving the barrage of questions from the rival fans about the recruitment tactics. Enjoyed that!
@bobbythompson6107
@bobbythompson6107 Жыл бұрын
Up the chels
@daphnewabule1399
@daphnewabule1399 Жыл бұрын
Matt Slater is my favourite person to listen to talking about football finance
@OliverPhythian
@OliverPhythian Жыл бұрын
It’s brilliant to watch Jamie, Gary and the rest of the panel dodge how much they want to celebrate that this is happening to city after yearssss of slating their financial actions. They’ve got to be waiting for the day it (potentially) comes out to actually celebrate
@kypl1910
@kypl1910 Жыл бұрын
Love to see the Don!! Robbie being generous letting them all sit in his studio 🙌🙌
@no9scrum
@no9scrum Жыл бұрын
Boelhy's contract model is based on the American sports contract models.... where you have massively long contracts but they have no issues with paying players severance fee's to cut them from the squad if they dont work. I see more and more players being cut than sold on if it doesn't work for them there, alternatively they always seem to have the ability to loan players out
@Shrewdy1
@Shrewdy1 Жыл бұрын
Works better in the American model where they have salary caps - so if they tie a key player down to a long term contract, it opens up more room for them to invest in others as the salary cap increases. I just don't see it having the same effect here, in terms of a positive one. Definitely ways it can turn the other way on them
@no9scrum
@no9scrum Жыл бұрын
@@Shrewdy1 Not really because you still have the issue of one or 2 players taking up a massive amount of the cap... NFL quarterback salaries take up a huge percentage of the cap on one player... I'd suspect these long term contracts are full of incentives.... so a player will sign a 70k a week contract for 8 years instead of a 140k a week for 4 with the knowledge that each performance marker will result in either a pay out lump sum or a salary increase... If they don't reach the incentives they're stuck on the lower rate of pay which makes it easier to get rid of them if needed to or to simply cut them (although this is unlikely) Mudryk for example would probably be offered almost double what he's on just now but for half the time on the contract were he to have been bought by Utd, City or Madrid
@asaagdagd
@asaagdagd Жыл бұрын
@@no9scrum Good perspective and valid points!
@parashit2181
@parashit2181 Жыл бұрын
American sports have no relegation system, once they failed, most teams will tank to pick the best talent available for free. In english football once your experiment failed, you will be stucked and drop to league one just like Sunderland.
@karabomafa5609
@karabomafa5609 Жыл бұрын
that is a bad idea..
@kristiangoddard5515
@kristiangoddard5515 Жыл бұрын
Journalist’s add real depth to an already brilliant format.
@josephrose8723
@josephrose8723 Жыл бұрын
Agree with Gary, why should the same so called 'traditional elite clubs' be the only clubs that can win titles!!!!
@PLUTOXGOAT
@PLUTOXGOAT Жыл бұрын
Because that's how football and sports work. The best clubs and the best teams win
@ottson
@ottson Жыл бұрын
Winston Bogarde lol. Brings back memories
@Ewaja2000
@Ewaja2000 Жыл бұрын
Honestly the presentator is so good at asking the right questions at the right time with great responses and doesn’t interrupt and lets everyone speak thought this needs to be said thanks for the great show!
@benplank434
@benplank434 Жыл бұрын
Well done Simon Phillips. 💪🏻💪🏻
@FFTsteel
@FFTsteel Жыл бұрын
The way Jamie Caragher says Mudryk gets me all the time. He is even thinking before he says his name 🤣🤣
@FFTsteel
@FFTsteel Жыл бұрын
@barker143 🤣🤣🤣🤣💥
@spinynormanbest6410
@spinynormanbest6410 Жыл бұрын
If only everyone would think before they spoke 😉😉
@Leak553
@Leak553 Жыл бұрын
Well spoken Steve. These rival teams are just jealous. Coming from a Real Madrid fan.
@Gargamel616
@Gargamel616 Жыл бұрын
Jealous of who? We've got more than double their trophies! That goes for Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United.
@TheRobotsWillEatYou
@TheRobotsWillEatYou Жыл бұрын
Jealous? City are about to be relegated, see if we're jealous then lmao
@TheSaladin777
@TheSaladin777 Жыл бұрын
Jealous of being at the centre of one of the biggest scandals of English football history? LOL yeah super jealous gronk!
@abrahamsneo7783
@abrahamsneo7783 Жыл бұрын
They're indeed jealous. The premier league elites conspired against City to weaken the club.
@JohnnyNagaSins
@JohnnyNagaSins Жыл бұрын
How can we be jealous of a plastic club, your club was sponsored by the Spanish Royal family for half a century, say no less.
@VeryIntellijent
@VeryIntellijent Жыл бұрын
The decision by Chelsea to go down the long-term contract route is all about risk vs reward. Boehly strongly believes football is going to continue experiencing strong growth, particularly on the broadcasting side. For Chelsea to stay aboard the gravy train, they need consistent Champions League football at a bare minimum. With Newcastle back on the rise, we are well on-track to having a big 7. There are only 4 guaranteed Champions League places, and the revenue, exposure, and pulling power of one is crucial to the long-term success of these clubs. Boehly is taking this risk because the alternative is languishing mid-table whilst trying to rebuild over the next 5 or 10 years. Without CL football, and with the revenue gaps between clubs ever-increasing, that rebuild becomes a far more difficult process.
@asaagdagd
@asaagdagd Жыл бұрын
This is very true
@Tom-qb1rj
@Tom-qb1rj Жыл бұрын
I mean it’s a one window thing as we can’t do it next window so it’s not really a long term thing
@Dr.Collins344
@Dr.Collins344 Жыл бұрын
Big credit to Robbie from AFTV giving all these fans their opinion. He started this
@manutdfanGH
@manutdfanGH Жыл бұрын
Give me a dollar each time Neville says: “Independent Regulator”
@faz1606
@faz1606 Жыл бұрын
It's getting boring
@thomasandersen6719
@thomasandersen6719 Жыл бұрын
Or “at this moment in time”
@fablenumber1fan
@fablenumber1fan Жыл бұрын
A dollar?
@MrXaphus
@MrXaphus Жыл бұрын
"absolutely"
@rayj737
@rayj737 Жыл бұрын
Independent regulator = arsene wenger, David gill…. STOP THIS RACIST GAME!
@Davey11
@Davey11 Жыл бұрын
Love the studio. Fair play to Neville
@benhopson95
@benhopson95 Жыл бұрын
Robbie has been relegated
@ribhvan8599
@ribhvan8599 Жыл бұрын
Finally a proper fan representing Chelsea! Always felt that the other Chelsea fan reps were either not passionate, or did not want to be bold and back their club, or just had no clue what was happening and would simply nod at Neville and Carragher's distasteful remarks.
@yofinance1777
@yofinance1777 Жыл бұрын
Love how this reflects Football stadiums, mostly guys, lads and their mates. No PC BS that the BBC would fix together. Keep it real
@20undy10
@20undy10 Жыл бұрын
🎵 Citys going down with a billion in the bank, a billion in the bank 🎵
@MrMarketingGuy
@MrMarketingGuy Жыл бұрын
City's - as in City is - just love correcting people like you!
@Eggshells4life
@Eggshells4life Жыл бұрын
@@MrMarketingGuy not this time
@mister3566
@mister3566 Жыл бұрын
@@MrMarketingGuy penis
@20undy10
@20undy10 Жыл бұрын
@@MrMarketingGuy * slow clap *
@jmacmcfc4662
@jmacmcfc4662 Жыл бұрын
WE DO WHAT WE WANT WE DO WHAT WE WANT.... WERE MAN CITY WE DO WHAT WE WANT... CITY CITY
@YouTube
@YouTube Жыл бұрын
popcorn is ready 🍿 this'll be a good one.
@gershwincharles5347
@gershwincharles5347 Жыл бұрын
AMEN 🙏 SO INSPIRATIONAL 😊
@RapierTL
@RapierTL Жыл бұрын
@9:22 Good one Baz!
@ZeroTheHeroGOAT
@ZeroTheHeroGOAT Жыл бұрын
Let them keep the titles and let them forever be tainted. Relegate them and slap an insanely strict decade long wage and transfer budget limit.
@luckynumbersleven1801
@luckynumbersleven1801 Жыл бұрын
There is clearly a difference in fan & supporter on some of these bodies representing certain clubs, not sure most would understand their clubs culture in what it means to be a supporter. Great studio tho well done to the team
@toastybutt
@toastybutt Жыл бұрын
if city is not guilty as they say, why did they pay the 10 mil fine and why didn't they contest it??
@edd1e316
@edd1e316 Жыл бұрын
The City fan is always torture on this.
@Airyed
@Airyed Жыл бұрын
Yeah wish others were given a chance
@Ricardo-ur5os
@Ricardo-ur5os Жыл бұрын
Seriously, he actually thinks he sounds so smart. He words stuff like he thinks he’s sounding so poetic and wise yet he speaks a whole lot of crap 😂
@Efcdan1878
@Efcdan1878 Жыл бұрын
Kick em out
@ErlingEra
@ErlingEra Жыл бұрын
Big up Steven! Confident City will prevail and beat these claims! CTID🇧🇼
@FuncleB
@FuncleB Жыл бұрын
No chance. 115 breaches, it's not just a few. You're deluding yourselves into thinking you'll be okay.
@gregzor2012
@gregzor2012 Жыл бұрын
Great from Gary at 19:40, getting at the heart of the issue. There must be a funding model that provides for sustainability and potential for growth for smaller clubs. But the key piece of criteria that Gary left out in criticizing Andy Hull's model is FAIRNESS. If you allow any club's owner to contribute funding to cover losses/increase revenues, then any club that does not have an owner that can maximize that limit will not be able to compete in the long run. Any permitting of owner injection of funds will result in every club seeking to maximize those contributions year on year, and any club that can't do so will fall behind. Gary says that there is simply no way to grow a club without owner injection of cash--this is objectively false. Many clubs have done that and there are models for how to do it. Tottenham is the obvious example. Also Brentford and Brighton, which have had some owner investment, but who could have had the same success using the same expertise and strategy, although it would have taken longer. It IS possible to grow revenue without owner injection of cash, period.
@maryhoss
@maryhoss Жыл бұрын
great show ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
@liamhaydn6235
@liamhaydn6235 Жыл бұрын
very good point from the spurs fan at the end of the City discussion.
@inghell
@inghell Жыл бұрын
I disagree with the Man City fan massively. Just because you support the team doesn't mean you can be so blinkered to what's going on. It was almost as if he was trying to play the victim in this situation. As a fan I would be fuming if the club's reputation is potentially going to be dragged through the mud because those in charge have decided they don't want to play by the rules to such a level that Premier League launched an investigation into this.
@abrahamjames7004
@abrahamjames7004 Жыл бұрын
Nope we're not, they tried to make us successful and that they've done... If it's proven they took illegal means to invest more of their personal money in the club, that's a great sacrifice I'd forever admire... I'm not one for social morality
@Beyond_Belief534
@Beyond_Belief534 Жыл бұрын
Blinkered? Where's the proof that you've been privvy to then? How have you established guilt?
@TheSaladin777
@TheSaladin777 Жыл бұрын
@@Beyond_Belief534 delusional
@pritapp788
@pritapp788 Жыл бұрын
The City fan clearly doesn't understand that "match fixing" and "doping substances" are not the only ways you can rig a level playing field in your favour. Very biased and blinded. Actually, even the term "financial doping" used by Neville and Carragher is a euphemism for the allegations: stating that a business is bringing in more income than it actually does is fraud, pure and simple. In non-football contexts a business doing that would be in serious trouble.
@KhaledKhaled-ld6nq
@KhaledKhaled-ld6nq Жыл бұрын
fuming ? all relaxed because i'm sure city innocent dragging city into this right now not a coincidence for sure something fishy going around to put pressure on city and make arsenal in comfort zone winning the title , everybody talking about how city will get punish but forgotten how city will respond and react to this
@philc1773
@philc1773 Жыл бұрын
There will be no stripping of titles. So let's not even talk about it. Aguero, coming back at Brighton and then against Villa, all titles were won on the field by the players over a 38 game season. Utd spent a fortune, won nothing! In the end, it boils down to an American, power hungry cartel 'old money' group headed by Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal that didn't like the competition from City! They forced FFP after Chelseas spending in the hope that no other club, a Newcastle, an Everton, a Villa could ever follow! Is that fair play? No it isn't. The cartel and the biggest clubs in Europe have been threatened by City, they don't like what City are doing on and off the pitch and that is the issue. The irony lost on other clubs is hilarious! If City lose this, kiss goodbye to ever breaking into the cartel elite and having your own clubs dreams come to fruition through owner investment! Its that serious, so think about that!
@tswelopeleseleka9641
@tswelopeleseleka9641 Жыл бұрын
really love the new setting
@RBernsCarter
@RBernsCarter Жыл бұрын
I think that transfer fees should only be the size of the contract that the player has left. Eg if a player has 3 years left on a £100k a week contract, the transfer fee is just a bit over £15mil
@dothecapback
@dothecapback Жыл бұрын
good to see our guy joe smith in the mix
@ANGELOFDARKification
@ANGELOFDARKification Жыл бұрын
There's a huge misconception here that before Boehly, every club would pay the full amount for a player in the same window. It has always been split over years. Chelsea just stretched it out over 7/8 years instead of 3/4 on the books
@danniwilder2198
@danniwilder2198 Жыл бұрын
ANGELOFDARKification Well said feller. 90% of transfer fees are paid over 3 years. Very few transfers are paid all in one lump sum. One thing.....7 and 8 years? Are you sure the transfer fees are being paid in instalments over that long? I know the player contracts are for 7 and 8 years but I wasn't aware the transfer fees were being paid over that length of time as well. In fact I'd be shocked if that is the case. Also I'm sure the Shakhtar owner said something about 3 yearly instalments (I could be wrong though).
@ANGELOFDARKification
@ANGELOFDARKification Жыл бұрын
@@danniwilder2198 I think for FFP they will account it over that many years. In terms of the actual money being sent over, it would probably depend on the club. For e.g. I think Benfica got a decent amount right now but will get 120mill over the next couple seasons. I dont know if that's due to it being a release clause kind of thing though.
@scottallan7931
@scottallan7931 Жыл бұрын
agreed. Chelsea are playing within thr current rules vs what Man City are accused of. They are spreading the cost of these transfers via amortisation across a larger span of time so end of year accounts look healthier. The risk they take is that some expensive signings are a bust and stuck on long contracts. That said if Enzo is a bust after 2 years and they sell him for 70 mill. In their accounts they won't suffer a 35 mill loss on the 105 they spent. They will have likely paid 40 mill by that time so for that financial year they would actually show a profit on that deal and the losses will be smaller over the following years rather than one hit
@danniwilder2198
@danniwilder2198 Жыл бұрын
@@ANGELOFDARKification The problems with Benfica came about when they started to insist on the whole payment straight away in one go. Naturally Chelsea were taken aback by this because that's not how things are usually done, especially when the amount involved is so large. It wasn't like Chelsea were asking for anything out of the ordinary. I am very convinced Chelsea were expecting to pay it over 3 years, as is the norm. The fact of it being a release clause that Chelsea were triggering would make no difference to the payment arrangements. Rui Costa was just trying to be difficult with everything. I'm guessing that was because of how he desperately didn't want to lose the player mid season.
@danniwilder2198
@danniwilder2198 Жыл бұрын
@@scottallan7931 If a player on a long contract is a 'bust', as you put it, then just like with any other player the club will sell him on. Whether he's on a 5 yr contract or an 8 yr contract it won't make any difference. Why should being on an 8 yr contract make it any harder to sell that player? I'm sorry but I cannot fathom out your figures & calculations at all. Once a player has left a club & is under a contract with another club he does not figure at all for amortisation purposes of the club he's left. Once a player has left Chelsea there is no more amortisation cost for that player. It stops the moment he signs a contract with his new club. There has been much hysteria & it is out of all proportion with the issue. The difference an 8 yr contract makes with a 5 yr contract in respect to the annual amortisation cost of a player is really quite minimal. I estimate the difference for Enzo Fernandez in year one to be about £6.2m & for Mudryk to be about £8.4m and for Badiashile to be about £2.6m. Those figures are for year one. A player's annual amortisation cost is different each year of his contract. I estimate Chelsea overall amortisation cost to be about £23m less this year to what it would've been had those players signed 5 year contracts instead of 7 and 8 year contracts. I'd love to be able to quote Chelsea total 22/23 amortisation amount but that can't be done without having really credible information on every player's length of contract, annual gross salary, & correct transfer fee including what, if any, transfer fee add-ons have been activated to date. To reduce your total amortisation cost by approx £23m in one year is not to be sniffed at & it all helps with FFP, however, £23m is not an amount that is going to impact the plans of Todd Boehly in any kind of way. I'd be very surprised if the main reason for giving young players 7 & 8 year contracts has anything to do with complying with FFP rules. It may be one factor in the club's thinking but I simply cannot believe FFP is THE reason for giving longer contracts.
@breathefitness
@breathefitness Жыл бұрын
The Man City fan started how he left off, non stop talking. Great to see it back and having journalists there too
@nadrecephas9117
@nadrecephas9117 Жыл бұрын
I agree with Gary’s point about FFP only maintaining the large clubs and keeping the smaller clubs down. I think that the English FA should have less stringent financial measures for all English teams but the teams that qualify for Europe have to comply with the stringent UEFA financial models. That would allow the teams without European revenue to compete against those with it.
@insidiousbeatz48
@insidiousbeatz48 Жыл бұрын
My 2 cents worth on the Chelsea long term contracts is that yes it's a risk because you could find it hard to move on player ls who doesn't perform. At the same time if they are on a low enough wage that in a few years they want more money and a new contract, that loophole will be closed by then so any new contract will be a maximum length that is a much shorter than the original. It's actually quite sensible if you look at it. I don't agree with it but if it's within the rules i can see how it could be a benefit.
@IanElkins
@IanElkins Жыл бұрын
The team could get worse then you’re paying the players 250 300+ grand a week to sit on the bench. They ain’t moving to somewhere that will only pay them 100 so you’ll have to pay them off so you’re stuck and top new players won’t join a team that isn’t in the CL or winning titles or like currently with potential to do those things. I can only see this going badly but Tbf I don’t care coz I don’t support them
@Nickoshot
@Nickoshot Жыл бұрын
Think Chelsea will be fine because RA wiped the debt and they've got a lot of assets, I think for other clubs to move large amounts of transfer business into the future accounts could lead to them going out of business which is exactly what FFP is designed to stop
@dblain2729
@dblain2729 Жыл бұрын
@@IanElkins they aren't making 250 300+. Mudryk isn't even on 100.
@5thdawg917
@5thdawg917 Жыл бұрын
@The Fire Starter This is Chelsea, not Arsenal who payed Ozil 350g a week.
@rockymaniaster
@rockymaniaster Жыл бұрын
@@IanElkinsnone of the players newly signed with long contracts have more than 100k. So that won’t be a problem
@Paul-yj1ij
@Paul-yj1ij Жыл бұрын
Poor city fan is very much in the denial stage of grief
@kennethkkoech
@kennethkkoech Жыл бұрын
nothing to deny. FFP was meant to stop city
@MaychTV
@MaychTV Жыл бұрын
Cheers for having me on!
@robertclarkefeltham5112
@robertclarkefeltham5112 Жыл бұрын
It's "not an idea that no-one has ever thought of before", when we signed Kepa we literally amortized the cost over 7 years
@olivercampion2360
@olivercampion2360 Жыл бұрын
gary neville speaking facts on ffp
@d_tbrit8439
@d_tbrit8439 Жыл бұрын
IF found guilty the city players and managers should keep there winners medals, but the club should have all Trophies won stripped away null and void, with no declared winner as its too late to just hand them to teams who came runner-up. Deduct 20 points off city this season and another 20 points start of next season. 5 year transfer ban, give their champions league spot to whoever finished 5th place. £500 Million fine to be paid back over the 5 years (£100m Each Year). Pep will leave along with their best players, all this should bring them back to where they was before the cheating began (2009), they can start over but this time play by the rules. Any future offences will mean automatic relegation to English 4th tier (League two).
@Beyond_Belief534
@Beyond_Belief534 Жыл бұрын
Wow you're amazing at wishful thinking 👏
@stevesalkas9128
@stevesalkas9128 Жыл бұрын
Stuff them they should go soon as guilty 1 billion fine sell more oil they'll be back in 3 years
@sidbob1215
@sidbob1215 Жыл бұрын
So weird haha
@BirthOfAnEmceeTV
@BirthOfAnEmceeTV Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, there is a part of me that thinks "If I buy a business, its upta me if I can invest" 😤 Then I remember there's rules to the game that we play 😉
@nivvy19
@nivvy19 Жыл бұрын
thanks for this but the volume levels were all over the place. please fix
@dangling-donk
@dangling-donk Жыл бұрын
Gary's jacket 😂😂
@_Tricky_
@_Tricky_ Жыл бұрын
Man City fan at 13:00 “Yeah I’m not worried….” Then gets incredibly emotional when his view that ‘oh we just spent a bit of money’ is challenged. 😂
@s.c9573
@s.c9573 Жыл бұрын
He's an absolute muppet
@JosephAdcock.
@JosephAdcock. Жыл бұрын
I feel the same cause we'll jist spend money again anyway, honestly I don't care, it's 100% something out fans would do is turn up in absolute numbers if we got relegated for this 😅 like yea it's shit but, I've many other things to worry about 😅😅
@briansummers379
@briansummers379 Жыл бұрын
Interesting how the guy whose arguably benefitted the most from billionaire owners isn’t really interested about his clubs finances… hmmm… I wonder why
@Trudon
@Trudon Жыл бұрын
This guy is a bell end. Waffles on and on.
@3allz
@3allz Жыл бұрын
He literally spoke over everyone as soon as they countered his point 🤣
@TheSnazah
@TheSnazah Жыл бұрын
The world needs more Gary’s
@pendafen7405
@pendafen7405 Жыл бұрын
to do what?
@gregzor2012
@gregzor2012 Жыл бұрын
Wish they touched more on Spurs and Arsenal and how unfair it is to those clubs and others like them that try to bring success organically through smart investment.
@jonwiltsie107
@jonwiltsie107 Жыл бұрын
Oh please
@AmitShukla008
@AmitShukla008 Жыл бұрын
Bludd said Topspur 💀
@fearguspowers238
@fearguspowers238 Жыл бұрын
Fair play to the Chelsea fan, first time I've ever heard one of their fans speak sense and be eloquent
@unknownuser5548
@unknownuser5548 Жыл бұрын
Shame he’s a cobham sexual because he actually speaks alot of good
@CharlieL292
@CharlieL292 Жыл бұрын
What about Rory?
@fearguspowers238
@fearguspowers238 Жыл бұрын
What about him?
@dodny1239
@dodny1239 Жыл бұрын
Be great if you linked the fan channels if they represent one
@fayesouthall6604
@fayesouthall6604 Жыл бұрын
Liverpool fan Channel is Paul from Redmen TV.
@ccc5949
@ccc5949 Жыл бұрын
who do you want to know
@darrenwarby32
@darrenwarby32 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant comment from Gary Neville about FFP being biassed regards the big clubs .
@seanolusina6058
@seanolusina6058 Жыл бұрын
I love how they put the 2 culprits at the back of the room 😂
@martinblomqvist1870
@martinblomqvist1870 Жыл бұрын
Why are they culprits?
@MCFCTheMadHatter
@MCFCTheMadHatter Жыл бұрын
@@martinblomqvist1870 Bc in his tiny little mind they’re both guilty regardless of what the current facts are. Guaranteed he’s a United, LFC or Arsenal fan and hates the idea of the“nouveau riche” football clubs Chelsea & City competing with against them. Incidentally why many think FFP was really brought into the PL to begin - to ensure the upper class had no new members at the table
@seanolusina6058
@seanolusina6058 Жыл бұрын
@@martinblomqvist1870 Sorry mate, I forgot it's 2023 and nobody is allowed to joke about anything anymore. Of course they aren't culprits, I was only fooling around.
@kieranhardy581
@kieranhardy581 Жыл бұрын
@@MCFCTheMadHatter someone's fuming.
@gustaflembre4191
@gustaflembre4191 Жыл бұрын
Neville is spot on with everything
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