the old Arndale bus station had that old tiled walk through with diesel fumes and soot caked to the walls and the walkthrough to Roundtrees cafe and the big indoor birdcage and the old indoor Market. I miss the old Manchester from the 80s and early 90s.

@@markb5403 yup, and the old rhino made of wood facing the birdcage and the old market that had all manner of tat and laser pointers as far as the eye could see and megadrive games.

@@vanguard1427 Yes! I totally forgot about that. Gosh I miss being a kid in the 80s, it was great. I know people complain it was a dump, but I'll ways associate that period of my life with a simpler, happier time when life was less complicated; I had many childhood shopping trips on a Thursday night finished with a trip to McDonalds - complete with their formed plastic furniture, Styrofoam packaging and overflowing aluminium ashtrays. I recall there was a huge Partner's stationers and all manner of toy and computer game shops around that part of the Arndale and that ridiculously steep ramp that tiered down onto Cannon Street. The IRA ma aged to change Manchester but some of what they took shoudlve been left alone - the Corn Exchange being probably my most missed part of town.

@@markb5403 i miss the corner exchange the hippy shops the original harry halls bike shops and the crystal shop and the shambles square toy shop that sold Beetlejuice figures and the safeways facing it i didn't miss the old gabbots farm in the arndale tho manky green chicken and fridges that didnt work

@@markb5403 Forget the republicans, the city planners have done far more damage to the city then both the ira and the luftwaffe combined. I liked the old basement market with the subway under the top of cannon street with the stalls on both sides, and the side of the upper mall nearest to shudehill which I used to call "cheapside" because of all the shops in there with affordable goods, and the Afro-Caribbean record stall where I got some great records I couldn't find anywhere else. And there was another stall in there with lots of really good value affordable tools which was great for me seeing as I was confined to the dole at the time. And there was lots of really good electronics shops in the city back then too, all gone now. Shudehill supply had to go because of the metro and the "The electronics shop" in hanging ditch got blown up, they should've stayed on Deansgate, and there was another, I think it was called New cross radio which sold lots of high end second hand test gear where I got some great vintage British made ex military instruments which I've still got and they still work.

Yup the over powering stench of chips puddings and gravy bellowing out all day with the addage of the old diesel engines of old buses and stail cigarette smoke

Thanks for watching! I have one more Manchester film to come with unseen footage from the 1990's.

I took the 59 every other day back then.

Well of course when I filmed it this was 'modern'! If only I had realised just how my 1990's footage would become of historical interest and how easy it would be to share this with a mass audience I would have filmed more. In those days we did not even have the Internet, let alone KZfaq. We had videotapes and film. That was all.

+citytransportinfo: Your footage is priceless now buddy....No one will treat Train/Bus anoraks with such disregard now. If it weren't for yourself and the like, today's lot wouldn't have a clue. Everything about the past 25/30yrs is/was better days..The transport/The costs/Certain Clothes/The people weren't as dehumanised, people had to speak more face to face before the days of antisocial-media....

me too

+Lewis Barlow: Same here....great days....shit now....everyone's got a phone shoved up their arse....

Me too. No spiceheads bothering folk, less crowded. Feel like a foreigner now in my own home city.

@@mercibeaucou1278 Grim times Merci

@@mercibeaucou1278 cry about it

Guerrilla gorilla soldier. Hahaha that made me laugh so much pmsl x

Yes they were tear arsing around a bit !

+Andrew Wallford Thanks. There will be a second film, soon (I hope!)

Andrew Wallford brilliant times shame first bus destroyed it

Why? What disappoint to you as you say it!

It is lovely just for the Christmas markets lol and when its sunny :P

I think 🤔 the Christmas markets are very expensive, but we all think differently don’t we, anywhere is nice in the summer months, sitting on a bench watching the world go bye 👋 but I wouldn’t sit in Piccadilly gardens because I’ve seen fights in there and it scared me, so I tend to avoid that area but I do like the shops in manchester,but we’ve all got different opinions about manchester…

I agree, Christmas markets are expensive, but it can still be nice to walk around and soak up the atmosphere.

Thanks :-)

I know what you mean ... same world / different planet syndrome. To an extent I think that if given a choice people would choose to live in that era, even though things such as smartphones were science fiction and only nerds (or large businesses & banks) had computers

When is the arndale filmed in this video, Not too familiar with Manchester sorry

Yeah, and they didn't have stupid insane full length skylights which brutally concentrate and intensify the HEAT in the summer sun which cause MAJOR seasonal EXclusion for folk like me, severely disabled because of being trapped in a body which is already far too HOT, something which the idiots who design them never think of. And it was far better before all the far too big multinationals took over and ruined the buses, and not just in Manchester neither, but all over.

The video is from 1992, and its still there now. Thats over 30 years! Its pretty impressive. Looking around it seems the only thing left.

@Ross Bourne haha that brings back memories

Apparently the spec GM Buses bought them for wasn't stellar.

Do you mean on the Oldham St side? There is a lot of bus stops there now that a lot of the 2xx services use going towards Denton/Ashton /Droylsden past the Etihad

Yes ,it got demolished due to too many dodgy characters hanging around ,esp. at night, I.E..Peodophile types /rent boys/drinkers/just a generally seedy and slightly unsafe atmoshere and the dark glass panelling of the staion made it seem even more gloomy and dismal.I think they just gotrid of it so they could see what was going on.But really that particular area could do with soe form of shelter now for peopel waiting for buses.

I cannot speak for Piccadilly Gardens as I only actually visited it 'properly' in 2019. Metrolink was named that because it is in a metropolitan area and linked two railway stations - Piccadilly and Victoria. Oh and there was a desire to avoid the word 'tram' as in those days this was seen as an old fashioned mode of urban travel. Originally there was going to be a Picc-Vic link in the shape of an underground rail link between the two stations (similar in theme to the Loop and Link in Liverpool) but this was cancelled for financial reasons. So to reduce costs it was decided to go for a street-based link in the form of a tramway.

The gardens were a magnet for winos back in the 80s. They all wore a suit though, which was nice.

The Metrolink was called a 'supertram' as it was a cross between a tram and a train.

@@theozzy4717 Yeah, a bit like the "sneltram" in amsterdam which runs on the street and also runs into the underground metro station in the city centre and I've been there and been on it down to amstelveen.

I dont understand?

they say that the early 90s (up until 1993) was still 80s with fashion, music, TV and movies so you are right people still dressed 80s but then again, people nowadays still dress like its 2010

I was robbed at gunpoint in my own home. Dangerous town.

Well - 80s and 90s Manchester wasn't safe for me - getting chased around Collyhurst in the 80s by young gangs chanting 'Ahmed', when I'm Brit Caribbean, or being threatened with a throat slashing in Stockport. Oh - how about police harassment? Being arrested in the nearby Arndale car park for stealing my own car, then eventually de-arrested once they actually asked for and checked the documents in my glove box and pockets. But - no handcuff keys, so I have to wait around in handcuffs in the Arndale carpark until keys are brought. I could then look forward to being harassed on a monthly basis, and in court when I should have been enjoying my time as a fresher at UMIST. Take off your rose tint. The 80s and 90s were terrible for many, many people, and the 70s even worse. You'd be brave to walk through much of Manchester alone at night in the 70s, 80s or 90s.

i'm not sure where you lived but it was certainly not safe to walk around Moss Side and Cheetham Hill late at night in 92 as it was the height of the drug wars

@@TechRyze From a fellow Mancunian sorry about the hassle you had.....plenty of morons in areas like Collyhurst.

+Mike Butt Film 2 from Piccadilly Gardens includes 2012 footage. I was going to make all this into one film but it was too long... often people dont watch films all the way through.

I liked this alot :) did you ever film or will you post Manchester Buses on Cannon Street or in the old Arndale Bus Station?

Hello, thanks for asking - please email me - citytransport.info @ gmail.com (close gaps in text to make link work)

@mrjo2thec Spam bots harvest email addresses from websites. If you add the spaces you often avoid them.

The same comment will be made in relation to today's buses 28 years from now.

I agree - but less than 28 years... I think diesel traction will be on its way out by 2030, and because of the harm the waste gases cause to our health even living museums that specialise in historic transports will not be able to use diesel as a fuel.

Ahh..diesel

Lol

Smokey sausage dirty dust everywhere is!

Couldn't agree more Michael....all pretty grim now.

Under 10 shillings

Well under a quid

10p for someone under 16 yrs old!!! For any journey anywhere. And under a pound for a journey from sayRomiley=Stockport.

32p

I always used to get a GM bus pass that was about £12.50 for 2 weeks use but you could only use the orange busses, we used to carefully scratch the date out on the stamp with a needle and write the new date in (if it fell in same month) in lead pencil if it was a faded blackdate stamp, pink felt tip if a red date stamp was used, just to save money.

You need to be watching at 360 image quality, not 240 or 144. Also, this was filmed in the early 1990s when the best video quality for domestic camcorders was S-VHS and this only gave something like 440 lines of vertical data, which is considerably less than present-era HD, 2K, 4K, UHD etc. So the image quality will never be as pin-sharp as present-day footage. The few advantages we had in those days included that camcorders used 'global shutters', which means that each frame was filmed in its entirety at the same moment in time and as a result vertical lines of moving objects (buses, trams, etc) were always straight - present-day camcorders use a 'rolling shutter' that scans from top to bottom whist capturing images and often causes image distortion because the bottom of whatever is being filmed will have moved (relative to where the top was) by the time the image had been fully captured.

@@CitytransportInfoplus Unless Yolkava can upscale the quality for you :P

yes indeed.Not the Manchester I remember and I m only 45.Its no longer a place for English people.

@@debbieharry387 evan greater manchester is becoming no longer for the English.

@Ross Bourne manchester is 61 percent white. Greater Manchester maybe 80 percent plus.

@@debbieharry387 what do you mean?

@@debbieharry387 racist? 🤨

22 years ago for me nearly got hit by a tram on the way to Mcdonalds Lol!

@@louwoo2264 same here!

It was my son.

It was much better social media has ruined the world

The £2 maximum bus fare is a government initiative, I must admit that beyond knowing that it exists I know very little about this scheme - this is because I live in London and it does not apply here (our bus fares are cheaper than this). I am hopeful that no bus companies suffer so severely financially that this scheme damages them as a trading entity. What would be the best outcome is an increase in the number of people using buses that more than offsets the lower revenues earnt by the bus companies .. so that some bus companies are able to retain this £2 fare after the government-inspired scheme has concluded.

@@CitytransportInfoplus £2 helps nobody. going to work and back would cost £160 a month for £2 a journey 😂

@@CitytransportInfoplus The mayor of Manchester, Andy Burnham as been saying for over a year that the council is going to take back the buses to be owned and run by manchester city council to create lower fares.

@@hiyorisarugaki1830 with 20 work days on average per month, it's more like 40 for single trips and 80 if you need to change once (and are charged double). Also, it helps the poor and lowly paid to get to their job. The British "liberalisation" of public transport was a mistake (at least in the form it was done), leaving routes with lots (and wealthy) passengers to private companies and the poorer areas to municipial operators. Socialising losses, privatizing gains... typical liberal policies...

​@hiyorisarugaki1830 not if you bought a megarider

it did open in 1992, but they bought 6 more of these trams in 1999

it's deffo 92, you can tell just by the Burger King design alone, also the orange Mancunian Buses were scrapped mid 90's when Stagecoach came around

Top North Tv This is definitely 92

Nope deffo 1992 as I was 9 later turned 10 that year & the trams were launched that year & I remember the tramlines being built in 1990/1991.

You can tell you weren't around in 1999.