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If only we could fit politicians with stupidy limiters...

Well if this doesn't increase the value of older cars I don't know what will.

I'm glad I'm 63, and had a life time of driving experiences!

Some of the speed limits are mental. You can go 60 on narrow, winding country roads with possible horse riders, tractors, cyclists and oncoming cars just around the next bend. But can only go 40 on some wide straight duel carriageways, even at 3 in the morning when there's hardly anyone else on the road

If everyone on the road drove at 20 mph they would change the limit to 10

This will cause more crashes than prevent. They'll trial it, be loads of crashes. They'll scrap it. Mark my words!!

Lane assist is bloody dangerous. I picked up a new company car about 3 weeks ago, up to now it's tried to steer me into 2 cyclists because I've moved over to safely pass them and it's tried to pull the wheel back to move me away from the centre line.

Why are we taking any notice of the EU ? Just take it out .

this is ridiculous and incredibly dangerous! Anyone who rides a motorbike will tell you that there are times when the best way to avoid an accident is to actually accelerate. I have actually had to do this several times in my car as well. Heaven help the public. absolute madness. so so stupid. About time the public rose up-against this sort of thing. So, I will be getting rid of the GPS and the fact that we are being held to these idiotic and stupid dangerous rules is every reason under the sun to vote accordingly on the 4th.

Gone are the days of enjoying cars and driving swapping engines modifying etc,to think of the joy of hearing the exhaust and putting your foot down

You're spot on about speed not being the problem. Crap driving is.

If everyone puts a sticker on the back of their car with a red circle with 100 in the centre we can get around this.

Hire car in Spain, New Kia Ceed, it almost killed a cyclist I was overtaking because it decided I was lane drifting and steered me back towards the cyclist, then 10 minutes later it nearly drove me into a car transporting lorry that's back was empty so I assume the car didn't see it. I turned off the auto steer rubbish but it comes on by default every time you start the car. It regularly shocked me by taking control of the steering, great fun on mountain roads! Absolutely abore the bloody things.

When my kids were learning to drive the instructor told them the speed limit is not a target! My point is that drivers will get lazy & just put foot down as easy option despite weather conditions. I seem to spend my whole time worrying about my speed & avoiding pot holes!

It's not speed, it's driving too bloody close that causes most accidents!

Back in the 70s when speed limits in Australia were still in mph, a few 35 signs were turned into 85.

Motorists Lives Matter

I'm so glad I'm old enough to have driven a souped up Escort in the 70's,

They want cars to be just tools to get from A to B (this suits some - boring t*^ts), self driving cars (for disabled people - great), but driving, controlling is part of a huge culture of freedom and escape, they are taking this away - have to get a motorbike and a bong (for the dash) thanks Geoff - your you tube content is great!

"Self-driving cars will only work if *all* cars are self-driving" I've been saying this for *years*

We need to actually leave the EU. 🇬🇧 Reform 💪

I currently live abroad and have a 1999 mercedes sl500 , i would consider myself a bit of a car enthusiast , next year i will be returning to the uk, i will buy a shit box to get me fom a to b and thats it , nowadays there is no fun in anything

Reminds me about the guy who held up a stop sign in front of a self driving taxi which came to an abrupt halt and wouldn't move.

Self-driving plastic covered metal boxes do not see potholes, cannot see when white lines have been painted without due regard to the actual width of the carriageway, when sleet and snow obscure roads in numerous ways etc. However, perhaps it does indicate that the limit of any journey will be that 15 minutes.

Still watching boys. Three videos I think two on here and one on carnage. Great stuff.

I live inside M25 you are right , no car needed, I walk everywhere or jump on tube. My last car was an M240 my family & friends when I sold it last summer were shocked as I always loved cars , started with a MK2 Escort 1600 sport in 85” lol , I told them after years of driving , I am giving up because it’s not only not fun I hate it , once the freedom of the road was so beautiful , it’s been absolutely destroyed into an unrecognisable headache , also no classics around here ULEZ £12.50 a day 🤦‍♂️ good content guys much love 🙌🏻

Faraday cage around the aerial and GPs unit...😉

I have a 1-year-old Suzuki x-cross with this sort of thing, and it often sees the speed limit signs on the back of lorries, so sometimes it comes up with 80 or 100 🤣. It also doesn't always see the national speed limit signs when joining motorways, so keeps flashing up that I'm speeding when I join a motorway.

Someone make a video where they find the unit that does all this GPS and lane assist etc and take the sim card out it..or unplug it, and see if the car still drives. Great video lads.

The real issue isn't speed, it's lack of concentration and anticipation. One day on the M4, I saw a car's brake lights come on way ahead, so took my foot off the accelerator. I watched as the brake lights of the cars in front come on one by one as I gradually dropped back. The guy in front of me smoked his tyres because he was oblivious until the last second. I didn't have to touch the brakes.

My mums car has an ISA fitted, which is off by default. I tried it once. As it uses just a camera to determine the speed limit, it didn't know the speed limit changes when the sign is hidden in a hedge. If you just start a journey, it doesn't show a limit and it's blank, so you can speed. And it doesn't distinguish between single carriageway and dual carriageway, so it thinks national speed limit signs are all 60mph and bongs at you when you're doing 70. Also, had the adaptive cruise control set to 50mph through roadworks on the A14 once, and it had a hissy fit due to the single lane with barriers either side, and decided to speed up to the car in front at 70. When I turned it off, multiple warning signs popped up to do with the ACC and forward collision warning not working until I turned it off and on again...

I can see the new car market taking a slump.

If you're going out to alter the road signs then save time, effort and paint by just adding a 1 before the 30 instead of changing the 3 to an 8. That should cause some excitement.

What an interesting conversation, thank you. 😘

A number of issues, 1. my car picks up the 20mph outside school signs even when lights are not flashing, 2. I pass a local builders merchants which has a 5 mph limit sign for their site my car picks up this sign and slows, 3. My car also uses GPS and unless a temporary speed restriction has been lifted from the maps the limiter actions this! There are probably more issues but these are most annoying three.

Thanks for the Top Quality banter Guys

14.13, now you know what all those cameras are for!

The case of audible alarms when speeding reminded me of when SatNavs were a new thing. My son borrowed my SatNav as he was visiting someone in darkest London. I had not changes any SatNav defaults and gave him the manual in case he wanted to change anything. I got an expletive laden text message complaining it kept bonging at him. I offered three suggestions: 1. Stop speeding. 2. Unplug the SatNav. 3. RTFM (read the friendly manual). No further texts...

First time here, great content guys, 1 new subscriber and looking forward to catching up on your content👍

VOTE REFORM ON THE 4TH TO SAVE TO THE UK!

For every 'electronic hindrance' there will be a hack that circumvents it. GPS blockers exist. Ad Blue can be disabled. Lane assist can be 'default-off' and there's no reason speed limiters can't be bypassed either.

So with the speed limiter.. how will the police make money off us if no one is speeding? Just a thought..

My Range Rover had a software update very recently and changed a feature called 'Speed Limiter' (which was a manual setting to set your maximum speed which I have never used!), to 'Automatic Speed Limiter' which now works with the Adaptive Cruise Control to automatically change the speed it is allowed to drive. So far, I have not enabled it! Mis-reading road speed signs does happen quite often though.

Guy orders new diesel from European premium brand. At delivery he tells the dealer to deactivate EGR, taking full responsibility. That's the pushback against bureaukrats ruining our ICE-cars.

I can see a disaster coming up in the pipeline and accidents everywhere.

Love you guys chats, brilliant!!

OK, more of this, pls! The banter is the same reason 'the news' on TG 10 years ago, was sooo good.

Cambridge Busway, it's a great joke, they got rid of loads of local buses to get people to use it, but didn't take into account that it doesn't run near the villages that were once served by standard buses, for me, I now have to go almost 2 miles to get to my nearest request stop, which is in the middle of a bird sanctuary, and the stop has no roof, or lights, and is open to all of the elements, lovely. When first opened it had free parking, to encourage commuters to get off the A14, but after a couple of years they started charging for parking. The only good thing about it is that occasionally some poor fool will attempt to drive down it by accident, there are traps to stop them, but I once saw a delivery van halfway along one section, he somehow got over the trap lol. Great to see you back with Tony.

The problem is that on A4 into London, both Google maps and car navigation read the side roads as 30 and the main road is 50!

When I picked up my new Dacia Duster and took it home from the deal the car didn't stop making noises at me. It had a speed warning system. It's only I was looking over the settings that I finally found it. Luckily my car has the ability to turn it off permanently otherwise it would have been returned to the dealership.

My Qashqai often "spots" a £) sign on the way to Watton. The actual road is a National Speed limit, however as you come around a left hand bend, a small lane on right, has a 30 sign which the wind can turn around (well made UK road sign-NOT) the first few times I drove this road, I slowed down - much to the annoyance of the locals, including tractor drivers. 500 yards later (road becomes a 50, and looking back you see National speed limit sign.

3.4% of accidents are due to speed... as published by the TRL - Speed does not kill, bad driving kills

Madness! No computer will take control of my car.

I have a new T-ROC picked up about 2 month ago, when you go 2mph over the perceived limit it makes a little tinkle - that’s ok but the major issue is with the cruise control previously on my 71 plate T-ROC worked perfectly, new version has a feature called predictive cruise control - so I’ve set it to 40MPH on the A52 and somehow its changed to 60 without me doing anything, I have now managed to disable that part of the cruise, now works as it used to on the previous T-ROC. bests wishes Jim

I was in a new modern HGV a few months ago and it would show the speed limit on the dash in a road sign looking graphic. It was telling me the M25 was 80mph, I wasn’t in a 50mph zone and was actively going past the national speed limit signs so couldn’t be misreading a 5 or 3 as an 8.

My 'lane assist' can be disabled manually by a dedicated button but I've fitted a device that makes it OFF by default every time I start the vehicle. The vehicle also has a speed limiter in the form of audible/visual alarms but I can manually disable it (at the moment) but through a three-level deep menu setting - a real PITA.

It’s only going to encourage people to hack into and bypass these systems, assuming they aren’t already. I’d say it’s like DRM in games; those systems didn’t stop those who wanted to violate the terms of service from cracking them anyway, but legitimate customers are punished for legally buying the game and left with a product that will be completely useless down the line, and that’s by design

My 2019 Jag has it, but I have to select it. It's actually useful if you have a long journey and are tired, you are not constantly worrying about getting done for being a few miles over the limit. You can't completely ignore speed limit signs though, it sometimes gets it wrong. Turn it off and it doesn't annoyingly start acting 10 mph before you reach 3rd gear in a launch in a 70 limit. You can override it with the accelerator. A few times on the motorway, I guess the urge to go faster meant I gradually pressed the accelerator further and further. Suddenly snd with no warning it drops few gears and gives you max power!

I love this format. It's like the interview section on the original Grand Tour. Get even more guests, perhaps with two sitting in the back?

My 2016 XE Jag has speed reader. It displays the speed limit on the dash. It sometimes reads the limits from side roads if they are approached on a ben, etc, so 50 suddenly becomes 20 ? It does also, have an actual speed limiter along with the cruise control which you can set if you are daft.

It is utterly ludicrous to expect any system like this to work. There are about 10 locations in my area where the Sat navigation shows the speed limit as different to what the road signs are saying. There is one in the middle of the city where the main road ramps up to bridge over a small side road and the railway lines. [So you are going along a 30MPH main rd and as soon as you go over the bridge the sat nav flags it up 20PMH because it is registering the side road running alongside and under.]

My vehicle is fitted with automatic speed limiting ,but you have to turn it on if you want to use it. It’s a good thing to use if used correctly such as in an unfamiliar area where there are speed cameras to avoid speeding fines BUT you have to turn it on

There are three levels of ISA (Intelligent Speed Adaptation) informative, supportive and intervening. Only the first, informative will be mandatory in the UK, which just notifies you if you are exceeding the limit and many newer cars already have this feature. I agree that physically intervening with a vehicle's speed would be very dangerous, especially cutting speed during an overtake manoeuvre.

There will be more accidents because their are times when increasing your speed can stop accidents. Weirdest thing I have viewed is self driving ubers in San Francisco. The passenger sits next to an empty seat & can work on their laptop etc.

I had a really close call on the dual carriageway a few months ago. I was in lane 2, doing the speed limit passing a line of traffic, a lady of colour in a little silver Mazda decided to pull out of lane 1 into lane 2 without indicating, as I was directly along side her with another car following close behind me. My options were (a) do nothing, get sideswiped into the centre armco. (b) hit the brakes and get the too close car behind me inside my boot. (c) deploy the 540i's V8 and accelerate out of trouble. I chose C, still had to clip the gravel in the central reservation, but luckily escaped the unfolding accident. I have no idea what speed I got up to as I was too busy in a blur of looking out the passenger front door window, rear view mirror, and windscreen. P.S. this was on the a14 near kettering. I'd avoid the place if I were you, just to be on the safe side.

Hi Geoff I was searching through your videos for this topic just yesterday! I ended up going to my local dealership but they didn’t seem to know much about it. I also have a friend who works at a dealership (only as a driver and car cleaner) but word hasn’t reached him either. You also discussed GPS and other technology that can be used against the motorist; I became aware of Telematics watching Hunted on TV. My understanding is this tech is on all cars from April 2018 - you suggested 2014 in this video. I currently have a 2017 Seat which I would like to upgrade soon but I think I will buy a better model the same age or older, to avoid this unwanted technology.

We abandoned the 85th percentile rule for setting speed limits. Nothing to do with speed is safety related. Can't provide links on KZfaq anymore so if you don't know what the 85th percentile is look it up. Basically, people who drive faster can be safer.

I have a 2010 Jaguar XFS. It does have cruise control and a speed limiter which is manually operated. I find the latter useful on motorways when they're busy and 20mph zones. The issue isn't speed. It's appropriate speed for the road, traffic and weather conditions. For example, I would drive a busy motorway during heavy rain at 50mph. The same motorway on a lit section of carriageway, dry with good visibility could theoretically be driven safely above the speed limit. The same cannot be said about roads in urban areas or country lanes to a certain degree. In January 2024, I was tbone'd crossing a junction by a vehicle doing 50mph in a 30mph limit. The road I was crossing has about a 30 degree incline to my right with the brow of the hill about 150 yards away. The junction is further obscured by a filling station. As a result, I pulled 2 vertebrae, bruised/fractured my ribs as well as the associated bruises related to the collision. West Midlands Police sent me a letter stating there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute the driver. This is despite the fact there's two cctv cameras in the area. The police went onto say that there were factors to suggest I was partially at fault for the collision. So now I have to look for speeding drivers when crossing a junction. I do not think intelligent systems like this will improve the situation. If anything it will add more distractions to the driver and cause collisions. It's bad enough that modern cars are replacing physical switch gear for a touch screen. This means you have to go through menus just to adjust the heater. If you were involved in a collision at that moment, you could be convicted of driving without due care and attention. Why cars are going down this road baffles me. Especially when you think you can't touch your phone while driving. I can see many motorists finding a way to disable this system, once they've gone through several sub menus. The bad news is I can see someone trying to do that while the vehicle is in motion.

My car has road sign warning for speed, however as a driving instructor I have had to turn it off, this is because it can often read side road (20mph) or even car park sign 5mph when the car is in a 30mph and therefor its misleading. If this controlled the speed of the car like you are saying then that could be VERY dangerous as it could course the car to slam on the breaks

All my cars are at least 10 years old and some are up to 25 years old I’ll never buy a new car!

Ha ha stick to my classic thanks 😂

No limiters on motorcycles, yet I would dare to say that motorcycles amount to more than cars. Yes correct, they want control, to restrict your travel, to know where you go. Lockdowns, you can’t leave Worcestershire unless you get permission. What next logging in to the car using your digital ID, which first checks your identity, your driving licence status, your insurance, and whether you have exceeded your limits for that week, month etc, against your carbon credit

Bang on the money lads. I’ll be sticking to my old discovery, hardly any tech.

Many years ago, I had a Nissan Sentra with SR20DE (engine swapped). It was electronically limited to 180 kph from the factory. I had an electronic device installed that allowed the car to exceed that limit and even reach 230kph (gearing limit).

This had better be worthwhile as I had to watch a 30 second ad by liebore..🤢🤮🤣

Speaking of Jaguar iprat, what happened to the driver geoff?

In Australia the Fords get a faulty accelerator sensor & the car’s accelerate pass 110kph, with or without cruise control.

Comments from speed awareness guy shoots it all down in my opinion. @71 I use my bus pass sometimes for local runs, a GPS Speed App on the phone showed 31mph past my local primary school and peaked at 34mph on the 20mph road I live on. 0.9 miles averaged 24mph. Irony was a supervisor with 2 new drivers on a route learning run, they'd swopped over at the terminus as I boarded. At my stop I said 'speedometer not working, 34 more than plenty in a 20 you know'. Didn't look fussed at all. Bless Preston bus No 78 route through Lytham, midi sized single decker 18 on board.. ('68 Speedometer' GPS App use it on my R/C models with a duff phone strapped on them, got a trip save option).🚌🤬🇬🇧

Got this on my car, nothing to worry about. You can turn it off. However, they're great for not getting speeding fines in average speed camera zones. That's a good thing

My mercedes has this, but not the speed limiter... A few roads where i live are 50mph, but it reads signs at the side roads at 20mph and shows this as the speed limit. How will that work, dlam alll anchors on or cut the speed.

Here in Australia, my 60km drive to work has had speed limit reductions in about 10 places over the years. This is usually with no development or other reason for the reduction. One of these reductions is a whopping 50ks.

WHO were you talking about 😊

They can turn off your engine on days that was to much pollution 😮

Your insightful chat made me subscribe to your channel.

I have a car with cameras that pic up speed signs the problem is it sometimes picks up the signs in side streets or advisory ones which then of course displays for a long time as 30 limits have no repeater signs

TFL funded some "safety" enhancements on some buses called mobile eye The tech was defunct Tesla programming that was obsolete at the time So when it was raining there camera would say the limit was 120mph Or if you were sitting behind a van with one of those "this vehicle is limited to xx mph" out would list that as the max 🤣 Another one to chalk up to sad IQ khan

Motorists = Humans Carbon = Humans

I agree so much with these two. I've realized that my dream car is now something built late 90s or earlier, with space for a big engine and stealth technology.

My Merc has the speed sign reading technology and it shows you on the dash what the current speed is (as is common on 2010+ cars) - no limiting or warning But I know for a fact it gets the speed limit wrong all the time. At least once or twice per journey, every single time. Infact at the bottom of my road, when it goes from a 20 to a 30, it almost always shows the national speed limit symbol instead of 30, so it's obviously reading something else that it thinks is a sign

Why are we still bing bossy by the European Union after Brexit.

STOP BUYING NEW CARS. My car is 18 years old and it's awesome.

My Mazda CX5 has traffic sign recognition. Sadly it read signs signs in side roads when you are on a main road or going past a 5 mph sign on a garage forecourt

And once controls are placed on vehicles, you will then see ‘justification rules for journeys’ e.g. advanced apps that you will need to register your journeys on which will either allow you to use your car or will deem that journey as one you can do via public transport instead!

Only ever about control or the perception of control?😊

All trucks are limited and have been for years.

I have ISA on my new Mazda 3 fortunately it only gives me warning "bleeps" if I'm over the speed limit. I can switch this off, which is just as well because a number of times I've been in a 60mph limit and the car display is showing 30mph. Another time I'm on a 40mph limit road but it picks up a 20mph sign on a side road. It is a DANGERIOUS system

Thanks Geoff. Anything you can do to improve KZfaq is appreciated. I think they are trying to provoke people into leaving.

So my old van will be faster than a new sports car

One of the worse crashes i saw was caused by an elderly lady driving at around 50mph on a dual carriageway. She was driving at a safe speed for the road, unfortunately she was driving the wrong way in the fast lane...