Manned Venus Flyby (remastered) - Orbiter Space Flight Simulator 2010

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Rseferino Orbiter Filmmaker

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8 жыл бұрын

A manned Venus flyby was considered by NASA in the mid 1960s as part of the Apollo Applications Program, using hardware derived from the Apollo program. Launch would take place on October 31, 1973, with a Venus flyby on March 3, 1974 and return to Earth on December 1, 1974.
By means of Saturn V technology, would be sent three men toward the interior of the Solar System in a journey of a year of duration, flyby Venus. The spacecraft, similar in design to that later would be sent to the space like the Skylab space station, it was thought so that the astronauts could travel "comfortably" during so much time, returning home in the same way to as the lunar Apollo.
The S-IVB stage would be a 'wet workshop' similar to Skylab, first using the S-IVB engine to launch the mission on course to Venus, and then vented of any remaining fuel to serve as home for the crew for the duration of the mission. The Apollo SM engine would be used for course corrections on the way to Venus and back to Earth, and for a braking burn before the Command Module re-entered Earth's atmosphere.
As a bonus to the mission, a flyby of 500 km above the Earth that SIVB, approaching the planet Mercury 4 months later (exactly one year after the encounter with Venus).

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@astro0224
@astro0224 8 жыл бұрын
Definitely my favorite Apollo Applications concept. It is incredible to think the Saturn V could have taken us far beyond lunar orbit into deep space, Venus, and possibly Mars. What an incredible piece of engineering.
@rwboa22
@rwboa22 7 жыл бұрын
Besides the Manned Venus Flyby mission, if NERVA was made into a reality and the Saturn V-A with a stretched S-IC ("S-ID" (?)) with five F-1A engines augmented with four to six solid rocket motors from the Titan IIIM (for the MOL missions) heaving the NERVA on one mission, a second with the crew module (modified Skylab OWS, minus the Apollo Telescope Mount), two Apollo CSM-based landers (launched on Titan IIIs) and an Apollo CSM (with a five-man crew, a la Skylab Rescue) on a Saturn IB or a Saturn INT-19 (4-engine S-IC with S-IVB upper stage).
@antoninmathieu8701
@antoninmathieu8701 6 жыл бұрын
It is possible such a mission could have been flown,since Titan IIIM SRMs were later reassigned to the Titan IV,despite MOL's cancellation in 1969.
@goo_90
@goo_90 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe
@muhammadabdullah1076
@muhammadabdullah1076 3 жыл бұрын
You can’t land on Venus due to the pressure in the atmosphere
@HieyWiey
@HieyWiey 8 жыл бұрын
This is genius! Flybys of the Moon, Venus AND Mercury, HOW DID SKYLAB WIN OVER THIS?!?!?!
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
The Mercury Flyby I discovered after the spacecraft departed from venus, examining the return path. In fact * ALL * the spacecraft was on that path when the CSM seceded few hours before reentry.
@leduy6623
@leduy6623 6 жыл бұрын
Nixon, that's how!
@ThePeterDislikeShow
@ThePeterDislikeShow 6 жыл бұрын
How about a manned Jupiter flyby?
@craigrmeyer
@craigrmeyer 4 жыл бұрын
Well Skylab was essentially a dress-rehearsal for a Venus flyby, don't you think?
@Graham-ce2yk
@Graham-ce2yk 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you for redoing this mission. I've read the mission report several times and I the planners stopped calculating the orbit once the astronauts returned to Earth. The only things this video does not cover are the drop probes the astronauts would have launched during the Venus flyby and the photography the astronauts would have carried out at various points during the mission (On their way back they would have flown 'relatively close' to at least two asteroids...) The only thing I'd fault with this was a really petty thing, was the name you chose, I've always privately dubbed this proposal 'Project Belleophon' as NASA would have been fighting gravity, heat and hard radiation all the way there and back. Thanks for the ride, you can always dream of the possibilities, but only sometimes can you see what it might have turned into.
@TheLoganatorz
@TheLoganatorz 5 жыл бұрын
1 year enclosed in the area the size of a small bedroom... I'd do it to see Venus up close though!
@jonraybon8582
@jonraybon8582 4 жыл бұрын
Not quite, the genius of the mission was that the SIV-B became a living space, just like Skylab, once the liquid hydrogen had been emptied out. The top portion was just for equipment that couldn't survive being immersed in cryogenic fuel.
@mobsterduck8315
@mobsterduck8315 4 жыл бұрын
Jon Raybon wait they would’ve used the fuel tank as a living space/area to store equipment?
@StevenEveral
@StevenEveral 7 жыл бұрын
Something like this should be done with the new Orion capsule, maybe with SpaceX assisting. Now that would be really cool. 5:25 I could only imagine the emotions running through the crew as they had to leave what they called home for nearly a year. It took them to Venus and back, and now they have to say goodbye.
@craigrmeyer
@craigrmeyer 4 жыл бұрын
Also, I never knew about the unmanned Mercury flyby part of the plan. That’s curious too.
@ln5321
@ln5321 8 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done! It would have been great if they had done this. The Saturn V offered so many great possibilities.
@grantexploit5903
@grantexploit5903 7 жыл бұрын
My main gripe about the Saturn V is that it was not optimized for LEO launches (as every launch vehicle should be, IMHO). Its payload to LEO figure of 140,000 kg is misleading, as it contains the partially-burned S-IVB stage. Delta-v wise it would be possible to lift ~165,000 kg to LEO using the Saturn V if the S-IVB stage is completely burned, but that would be impossible because the TWR of the stage would be extremely low, necessitating a very high pitch and massive delta-v losses to gravity. A version with 2 J-2 engines on the S-IVB stage (sort of like an enlarged Centaur) would be far more useful, in my opinion.
@ln5321
@ln5321 7 жыл бұрын
I agree with you, but even though the Saturn V wasn't optimized for LEO, it was still miles ahead of what we ended up with (shuttle). I'd take the poorly optimized Saturn V over the Shuttle any day.
@rwboa22
@rwboa22 7 жыл бұрын
There were different configurations of the Saturn family that was being looked at: the Saturn II using the S-II and S-IVB for the first and second stages; the Saturn INT-20 using a 3 to 5 engine S-IC first stage and a S-IVB upper stage, and even the so-called "Saturn-Shuttle," which would use the standard S-IC first stage instead of SRBs (the only drawback would be the center F-1A engine would have to be cut off less than 1 minute into the flight), with the Orbiter/ET combo attached to where the S-II would be located; the three SSMEs being configured for an air launch instead of a ground launch.
@craigrmeyer
@craigrmeyer 4 жыл бұрын
If the SpaceX Starship works out, expect Elon to do Kickstarters for stuff like this.
@Easy-Eight
@Easy-Eight 6 жыл бұрын
I greve to think of how NASA, the US government, and the American people walked away from the possibilities.
@antoninmathieu8701
@antoninmathieu8701 6 жыл бұрын
Since the flight was planned to last for very long,should the Apollo CSM have been painted white,to make sure it would withstand beeing oriented in the same position for months at a time? I've heard that this solution was used on Skylab,so i have attempted to make two scenario patches for Orbiter 2010,featuring Skylab and Skylab-B CSM with white paint. Otherwise,a very godd job!
@craigrmeyer
@craigrmeyer 4 жыл бұрын
So was the idea that they would hang out in the 3rd stage fuel tank along the way, like the guys did during Skylab?
@colinfield981
@colinfield981 4 жыл бұрын
From memory the SPS engine was going to be replaced with two LM descent engines for this mission, or am I imagining this?
@michaeldunne338
@michaeldunne338 4 жыл бұрын
Nice work. Personally dubious about the practicality and comfort of the wet habitat module concept. One question is, could a dry Skylab-like module have been sent up, and then have another S-IVB sent up and effect an Earth orbit rendezvous, to insert the assembly into a Venus flyby trajectory? Would a NERVA engine be needed to provide sufficient thrust (a concept that was proved out by the early 1970s)?
@craigrmeyer
@craigrmeyer 4 жыл бұрын
See, you're really thinking now. How crazy would it be, I wonder, to do multiple launches, chain together 2+ mostly-full third stages, and then expend them one after another on a faster trip to wherever you want? When you're drifting through space on a multi-week/month trip then doing "stage separations" with a spacewalk, a wire cutter and a socket wrench (or even a hacksaw) is no big deal. Who cares?
@tobiasjohnson1903
@tobiasjohnson1903 8 жыл бұрын
Great video, keep it up. Just one question which is what would abort modes be should the SIVB or CM/SM fail en route or returning from Venus?
@giulianotulerman
@giulianotulerman 8 жыл бұрын
Well Done! Make a OSIRIS-Rex Mission! (If have enough Addons)
@matthewkresal6810
@matthewkresal6810 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely stuff! Wasn't the CSM meant to have the SPS replaced with two of the engines from the LM instead?
@Game-hh1rm
@Game-hh1rm 7 жыл бұрын
Could you make a video for the discovery one from 2001?
@1987VCRProductions
@1987VCRProductions 7 жыл бұрын
Where can I find the Environmental Support Module?
@antoninmathieu8701
@antoninmathieu8701 8 жыл бұрын
Since you remade your Apollo-Venus mission,do you plan to also remake Skylab,or even to reproduce the proposed Skylab-Shuttle operations?
@plutoniumlol
@plutoniumlol 8 жыл бұрын
Great video. Is Galileo Remastered almost done?
@innosam123
@innosam123 8 жыл бұрын
I don't remember the mercury flyby in any of my documentation... In either case, I don't think that could be done, since the s-ivb lacked course correction capability (I think?) Or did it have hypergolic thrusters that could do it? Also, how much fuel was in the CSM for course correction?
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
The course correction is made by the CSM. The documentation on the mission is: www.devin.com/cruft/19790072165_1979072165.pdf
@colinfield981
@colinfield981 4 жыл бұрын
Rseferino Orbiter Filmmaker yes, would have to have been done with storable propellants, the S-IVB cryogenic propellants would have boiled off long before
@4500jas
@4500jas 8 жыл бұрын
Great video! I noticed you made the ESM addon, is that available on the web or is it something you're still working on?
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
Something I still work for some reason the x100 accelerate over time simulator, the CSM is undocked but still appears as docked.
@Gdcat1472
@Gdcat1472 6 жыл бұрын
How long does it take to burn the trans Venus injection duration???
@ohnobees8033
@ohnobees8033 8 жыл бұрын
Are you planning to use Orbiter 2016 in your future videos?
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, the time had one last video, made in Orbiter 2010, which will be the next update. In Orbiter 2016 I start trying to add-on are supported.
@redenginner
@redenginner 7 жыл бұрын
Is there ever going to be a MOL video?
@diabeticalien3584
@diabeticalien3584 8 жыл бұрын
YES!
@gregoryrobbins8623
@gregoryrobbins8623 8 жыл бұрын
First let me say I love your videos! Please keep making more! I just found your page and subscribed. But for this particular mission, what was the point of having the SM? The S-IVB did all the burns. Seems to me that such a mission could have completely ditched the SM and saved the weight for a larger science payload or crew quarters. Infact, why not just combine the CSM and S-IVB into one solid spacecraft? There would be no need for risky dockings, heavy airlocks/docking ports, etc. Then just have one large "CSM" type craft. And upon atmospheric reentry, the capsule detaches to land. I've never played orbiter, maybe you can't customize quite as much as in KSP. Anyways, love the videos and keep them up!
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
On the contrary, all correction maneuvers are made with the SM. The S-IVB is ventilated all the fuel and used as habitat.
@gregoryrobbins8623
@gregoryrobbins8623 8 жыл бұрын
My mistake. Watched it on my phones small screen. Still, wouldn't it be easier/cheaper/more efficient to use the same engine (supposing it used hypergolic fuel for restarts) or atleast shed the extra engine? And then also there is no need for any docking procedure. I am guessing Orbiter does not let you customize to this extent. But like I said, loved the video
@chawin007
@chawin007 8 жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_Venus_Flyby In phase C , CSM have 2 Engine which replaced by LM egnine ?
@innosam123
@innosam123 8 жыл бұрын
Also,why was your profile different in this missions? why were the solar panels attached to the S-IVB instead of the cargo module at the front?
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
SIVB configuration is similar to the Skylab.
@WMPotomacfan27
@WMPotomacfan27 8 жыл бұрын
You should do aurora 7
@rwboa22
@rwboa22 7 жыл бұрын
That would be interesting, given that Scotty Carpenter ran out of fuel during reentry and landed 250 miles off course. The Cape controllers (under Chris Krapft) knew where he was at, but the world thought he was lost; even Walter Cronkite broke down on the air.
@Tmccreight25Gaming
@Tmccreight25Gaming 5 жыл бұрын
I don’t remember ever seeing anything pertaining to a Mercury flyby by the S-IVB, was that actually planned or did you do it because you could 😜
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 5 жыл бұрын
In the plans was not contemplated but due to the orbit ended there, but a flyby is a distant approach.
@TheCrossroads533
@TheCrossroads533 6 жыл бұрын
NASA can really do this, this time, with SLS/Orion.
@SophTheLaunchTechnician
@SophTheLaunchTechnician 4 жыл бұрын
no, SLS has less payload mass even the eus is not enough but a superheavy-sls rocket could make it
@craigrmeyer
@craigrmeyer 4 жыл бұрын
Was a fly-by of Mars also plausible?
@micharespondek1172
@micharespondek1172 8 жыл бұрын
How did you make the docking so smooth, without the probe "jumping" into the drouge like it happens normally in Orbiter? Is that an add-on?
@graham7402
@graham7402 5 жыл бұрын
No
@pedrovicnt_
@pedrovicnt_ 8 жыл бұрын
how a saturn 5 have fuel to go to venus?
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, this S-IVB is launching a lighter load than the apollo missions, LM weighs 15,000 kg, the module mission to Venus, weighs 4500 kg. space hydrogen tank is vented and used as habitat.
@augustus6285
@augustus6285 8 жыл бұрын
Wait, the S-IVB was going to fly by Mercury?
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
The original mission does not provide for that, but as to the flight plan I found that would pass near Mercury, after Earth flyby. It is not about more because the S-IVB not carry fuel for maneuvers.
@augustus6285
@augustus6285 8 жыл бұрын
Rseferino Orbiter Filmmaker Interesting though, they could have added cameras to the S-IVB itself and gotten close-up knowledge of Mercury before Mariner 10.
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, but I think the mission planners did not expect that the S-IVB came to Mercury. Myself I realized when I was making course corrections after Venus flyby. I think to extend the video with a mission of the S-IVB near Mercury, but consume more fuel. I think it is material for double or triple Flyby ...
@ronelramos5762
@ronelramos5762 6 жыл бұрын
King bro that's not wings its the solar panels
@ronelramos5762
@ronelramos5762 5 жыл бұрын
@@rseferino1 oh i was to say that
@bartonpaullevenson3427
@bartonpaullevenson3427 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn't show the probes being released to Venus.
@wingstrongwingstrong
@wingstrongwingstrong 7 жыл бұрын
музыка из звездного крейсера галактика
@nsepofdoggerland6831
@nsepofdoggerland6831 8 жыл бұрын
Orbiter 2016 is out! Are you going to move to 2016?
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, but first I must examine that addon are supported. Just as it updated from 2006 to 2010 ...
@ethanpaulplays
@ethanpaulplays 6 жыл бұрын
venus has a ring bell sound 😬
@piedmonitor
@piedmonitor 8 жыл бұрын
Is this AMSO?
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
AMSO and Velcro Rocket
@sumoandcat6249
@sumoandcat6249 4 жыл бұрын
Venus , Apollo Venus , pioneer 12,13,Vernera 12 , , Mars , opportunity rover , curiosity rover , Viking 1,2 + rovers , dragon 1,mariner 10, Phobos grunt , moon ,Apollo 11 , Apollo Direct lander , lunar module ,humans , Luna , 1, 2 , 3 , all the way to 24 ,
@seeshauseen
@seeshauseen 8 жыл бұрын
New video? it's September 5th
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 8 жыл бұрын
No video this week. The next video will be for September 16. I've been recuperating from an illness that kept me several days in the hospital :(
@seeshauseen
@seeshauseen 8 жыл бұрын
+Rseferino Orbiter Filmmaker oh, I'm sorry to hear that
@plutoniumlol
@plutoniumlol 7 жыл бұрын
September 16 :D
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 7 жыл бұрын
(Y)
@innosam123
@innosam123 8 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the original wasn't that bad, so I don't see a point to this, but.. damn. Did the people making the study ACTUALLY think NASA would take this kind of enormous risk on a mission? Going to Venus without any abort options?
@HieyWiey
@HieyWiey 8 жыл бұрын
Well, going to Mars would be as risky if not riskier than going to Venus. Plus this would have provided not only the meat of the science Skylab aimed to provide, but more. It also would have far beyond Soviet capabilities, further emphasizing America's prowess in space. Although I think that the launch date would have been much later, so the hardware could be made more reliable.
@innosam123
@innosam123 8 жыл бұрын
+SpaceKraken Yes, but it would also have been vastly more risky and costly than Skylab and still not provide science on, for example, the solar telescope (the Venus flyby didn't carry it) There was no abort mode on this in flight, for example, if the refurbishing doesn't go well, and it needed multiple test missions to test out the wet workshop and deep space S-iVB (even today, we need a lunar space station for this purpose before we start anything else in deep space, since deep space is much more harsh than LEO. Also, a Mars mission is slightly better, higher mission mass and fuel costs, but more interesting destination, more inspiring, and lower radiation (Thus, the S-IVB needs less mods) Of course, Mars back then was thought to be a larger, red version of the Moon, so it would be hard to justify increasing the cost even more to update the Saturn V for a Mars Flyby. Lastly it's not very scientifically useful, and would end in itself, unless we had a Mars landing program/lunar space station and base to go with it.
@innosam123
@innosam123 8 жыл бұрын
+SpaceKraken Also, by the time this would happen, the space race was already over. Even if the soviets somehow landed on the Moon first, both sides were preparing to give up after the Moon landing, shown by their funding levels.
@innosam123
@innosam123 8 жыл бұрын
+SpaceKraken Also, if it was done any later, it would conflict with the Shuttle and the modifications to LC-39A to support it. There were only 2 remaining Saturn Vs too, and the production lines ended. Meaning the it would DEFINTELY end in itself.
@Graham-ce2yk
@Graham-ce2yk 8 жыл бұрын
What you have to understand is the mission simulated is actually the third mission in the program. The first was just a basic test to see if the astronauts could take being pushed 'backwards' by the S-IVb. The second was a full dress rehersal. After launch the spacecraft would boost into the eleptical escape orbit, but instead of carrying out the Trans-Venus injection the crew would vent the remaining fuel and spend the next year circling around the Earth simulating the key stages of the mission as they did so. If you look at the actual Apollo program that was the role of Apollo's Nine & Ten. I'm not saying that all the issues were solveable, but NASA was not competely reckless.
@pluto6383
@pluto6383 7 жыл бұрын
Why would anyone want to spend over a year in a crammed space capsule just to flyby a planet?
@rseferino1
@rseferino1 7 жыл бұрын
Pioneers of the space age were prepared for that and more.
@grantexploit5903
@grantexploit5903 7 жыл бұрын
They wouldn't really do that. The S-IVB stage would have been "wet-workshopped" by taking equipment stored in the CSM and the interstage (in substitute for the LM) and constructing a Skylab-like space station inside of the stage (Skylab was a heavily-modified S-IVB stage) once it was entirely empty of propellant.
@lonestarwolfentertainment7184
@lonestarwolfentertainment7184 6 жыл бұрын
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