Mannlicher 88/95 - A Rare World War One Update

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The Austro-Hungarian Empire went into World War One with the Steyr M95 straight-pull rifle as its standard infantry arm. Heavy losses in just the first few months of the war made it clear that the existing stockpiles of those M95 rifles would not suffice, however. Older guns were pulled out of inventory, including Werndl and early straight pull rifles of the M88 and M88/90 patterns. These rifles had been designed around a black powder 8mm cartridge, and by 1915 many had heavily corroded bores. Some of these were rebarreled for active service using new rear sights of the M95 type - and thus we get the M88/95 pattern (this is a collector designation, not an official Austro-Hungarian one).
In addition to the rear sight and new barrel, it appears that these rifles were also fitted with upper handguards held in place by spring clips. Those hand guards are often missing, including on this example and every other one I saw that was imported from Ethiopia.
Thanks to InterOrdnance and Royal Tiger Imports for providing this rifle for filming!
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@theblackbaron4119 3 жыл бұрын

"Come on grandpa let's watch the football match together. Austria - Hungary. Grandpa: " Who are they playing against?"

@johnturner5893 3 жыл бұрын

That grandpa is long time dead..

@AshleyPomeroy Жыл бұрын

I'm going to spoil the joke, but apparently Austria and Hungary did have separate national teams, e.g. in the 1912 Olympics Hungary beat Austria 3-0. It's a shame the European powers couldn't have concentrated on football instead of trench warfare.

@briang530 Жыл бұрын

@@AshleyPomeroy Someone has always got to be that guy. All can be forgiven here on account of the joke is very old and the fact given us is actually interesting and uncommon knowledge.

@michas7993 7 ай бұрын

My great-grandpa was able to recall Austria-Hungary times and I’m a millennial

@HandleMyBallsYouTube 3 жыл бұрын

The late 1800's were crazy, people were rolling out brand new rifles straight ouf the factory only for them to become obsolete in a year or two. Imagine a military today bringing in a brand new rifle and the next thing you know their main competitor has a working phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

@peterlazzari3950 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah and then brought out again for ww1. Then sold off to all comers.its what makes this period so great for we collectors.

@janwacawik7432 3 жыл бұрын

Ritter von Mannlicher, in my opinion, is a tragically underappreciated designer in the eyes of the "common" gun nut.

@janwacawik7432 3 жыл бұрын

@@demos113 I know. Othais even said that Mannlicher is the closest thing to an European John Browning.

@bigsmegga 3 жыл бұрын

What you said would be true to european gun enthusiasts, but not much to Americans.

@warel5730 3 жыл бұрын

He is actually to be considered grand-father to the current rotating bolt gas operated designs - its basically his straightpull except not pulled by hand.

@IdiotandOpinion 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe if his ammo wasn’t a dollar a round at pre-covid prices and if you could get it with out a special online order...

@hailexiao2770 3 жыл бұрын

@@IdiotandOpinion Funnily enough the only calibers in stock at my local gun shop are 8x56, 8x50, 8mm Lebel, 7.92x33, and 7.62x25. Makes for a very interesting sight at the range when people are blasting away with their Mannlichers, Lebels, and Type 54s. Not sure who's buying the 7.92x33 though. Do a lot of people have StGs or something?

@rorakee 3 жыл бұрын

That gun is beautiful. It's so well crafted, and it's survived over 100 years!

@cgunugc 3 жыл бұрын

If you're into older, 100+ year old rifles, check out C&Rsenal. They're fantastic, and they focus specifically on that era of firearms history!

@JoshuaNicoll 3 жыл бұрын

I mean, assuming it was made around 1888, that's 132 years old, well over 100 years old

@demonprinces17 3 жыл бұрын

Big thing it survived in Africa

@Saturnus_Ouranos 3 жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaNicoll 133 years, because we are now in 2021

@Tadicuslegion78 3 жыл бұрын

Othais and Mae: *Heavy Breathing*

@ironhead2008 3 жыл бұрын

How much you wanna bet they're on the phone with Royal Tiger/Inter-Ordinance trying to get a look at this rifle...

@ironhead2008 3 жыл бұрын

@inönu Heh, wouldn't surprise me!

@mattkaczmarek1152 3 жыл бұрын

The way that guns are designed will never cease to amaze me. Machining is a beautiful art, and I wish I'd been exposed to it more when I was younger. The simplicity of straight-pull rifles is both amazing and simple, which is quite a feat.

@mikepette4422 3 жыл бұрын

I agree I'm of the same mind I wish I had more hands on experience with metal working.

@Daniel-Cruz 3 жыл бұрын

I've seen that last name before. You have family near me in Illinois.

@thomasrozen 3 жыл бұрын

You forgot to mention the sweet spot mechanism, it takes 2 shots instead of the original 1 shot to kill

@sethmullins8346 3 жыл бұрын

That game mechanic is so fucking stupid

@mlpeacecraft339 3 жыл бұрын

As opposed to torso and up one shot kills or V's damage models that make no sense.

@TragicTester034 3 жыл бұрын

@@mlpeacecraft339 honestly i may be in the minority but i prefered the sweet spot mechanic as it made it more satisfying to get a kill

@TragicTester034 3 жыл бұрын

the Gewher M95 didnt have a sweet spot mechanic

@jayjay1343 Жыл бұрын

@@sethmullins8346 I’ve seen worse game mechanics

@P943044S 3 жыл бұрын

It always amazes me that people involved in relatively simple decisions, such as retroactively fitting a hand guard, don't think that tiny bit further and add an outer clamp each end to prevent the totally foreseeable loss of the hand guard, not like it's not going to be bashed about a bit.

@johnmccallum8512 3 жыл бұрын

Never underestimate a Goverment when it is in PANIC mode.

@genericpersonx333 3 жыл бұрын

Depends. If the cost to replace lost handguards during the war was greater than the cost to make the clips stronger for all produced, then it was a bad design. However, if the cost to make the handguards more durable was greater than it cost to just replace the ones being lost during the war, then it was a great design. SO far as I can tell, the Habsburgs don't seem to have had too much problems with handguards during the war, so I think it was a good design for them. The fact that the handguards have not survived decades of Italo-Ethiopian abuse is not the fault of the designers.

@remcodenouden5019 3 жыл бұрын

It's the military, don't expect it to make sense.

@P943044S 3 жыл бұрын

@@remcodenouden5019 As an ex rubber dagger I would echo that :)

@cappuccinokripperinokriop7436 3 жыл бұрын

I have similar gun in great condition. Paid 180€ here in Croatia 🇭🇷.

@kantenklaus9753 3 жыл бұрын

the kuna probably no longer has any significance as a means of payment?

@cappuccinokripperinokriop7436 3 жыл бұрын

@@kantenklaus9753 it does but most of people have no idea what is kuna 😹

@comradesam3382 3 жыл бұрын

@@cappuccinokripperinokriop7436 is it even legal there?

@kdude24m 2 жыл бұрын

Lucky. I paid triple that for mine in the US😂

@diegorincon4673 2 жыл бұрын

I guess they cost less there. Get a nice Springfield 1903 at a hunting shop or auction, but in Europe? That’s a different story.

@joshuabessire9169 3 жыл бұрын

Der General Melchett: are you ready to give those Ethiopians a Mannlicher? Der Hauptmann Liebling: it's the Italians we'll be giving the Mannlicher. Der General: Don't be revolting, Liebling! I wouldn't give an Italian a Mannlicher if he was covered in honey!

@ineednochannelyoutube5384 3 жыл бұрын

Is that from Švejk?

@novikoviee9665 3 жыл бұрын

Splendid

@hjp14 3 жыл бұрын

7:17 my dad was diagnosed with COVID yesterday so that laugh was exactly what I needed this morning. Thanks

@carldebellis7310 3 жыл бұрын

Good luck

@demonprinces17 3 жыл бұрын

99.9% survival rate

@80krauser 3 жыл бұрын

Get your vitamins and stay hydrated.

@thomasautengruber8369 3 жыл бұрын

Don't stress too much about it, it's not much worse than the cold.

@diegorincon4673 2 жыл бұрын

@@demonprinces17 more like 98.5%, but with adequate treatment the chances of respiratory damage will heavily decrease.

@Stormseer88 3 жыл бұрын

That's a really nice historic rifle, Ian. Thanks for such a nice video.

@samham3408 3 жыл бұрын

Great history detail, would have loved a little look at that straight pull mechanism. I know there's other clips showing this, I just always enjoy seeing the hardware.

@dbmail545 3 жыл бұрын

I inherited a M95 carbine chambered in 8x56r. Beautiful gun. Looked like it had never been shot. My father got a bunch of Nazi headstamp pre-war ammo that was probably worth more than the gun itself. I sold it before Hornady started manufacturing compatible ammo. I wish now that I had kept it. Very handy little carbine.

@peterlazzari3950 3 жыл бұрын

I got two en bloc clips of the Nazi stamped ammo last year for $10. Not sure if that's cheap but I was really happy with that.

@bvzv 3 жыл бұрын

After WW1 there was push in newly created Poland to make Mannlocher their service rifle, as large portion of Polish units were formed in Austro-Hungarian empire. Idea was scraped after Poland was given Mauser license and factory as borders were drawn.

@MrMisterDerp 3 жыл бұрын

I still can’t help but laugh every time I see “mannlicher” Damn man licker guns....

@nunyabusiness8538 3 жыл бұрын

i bet the guy with that name had a great time throughout his school years lmao

@LHoner-uw1jm 3 жыл бұрын

@@nunyabusiness8538 I bet the guy with that name lived in austria-hungary and had no problems whatsoever, considering english isn't the dominant language over there and the name is pronounced differently in german.

@orvallossenberger6141 3 жыл бұрын

@@LHoner-uw1jm and they say us Germans don't have a sense of humor.....

@nunyabusiness8538 3 жыл бұрын

@@LHoner-uw1jm imagine not knowing what a joke is

@stevejohnson6593 3 жыл бұрын

@@nunyabusiness8538 imagine knowing that it's a common practice for people to not check their facts

@tomtruesdale6901 3 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy the history of these unusual guns. Thanks for doing them.

@big_pingu 3 жыл бұрын

I always find it funny when "update" is used with historical events. Anyways, good video as always👍🏻

@bami2 3 жыл бұрын

DLC for your guns

@big_pingu 3 жыл бұрын

@@bami2 don't give Bethesda any ideas bro

@Zretgul_timerunner 3 жыл бұрын

@@big_pingu sadly bethesda where a step ahead and already does this, wanna mod? Pay them dosh

@skepticalbadger 3 жыл бұрын

Why?

@kanetechtips 3 жыл бұрын

As an Austrian, I approve of this video.

@tylerwright1332 2 жыл бұрын

Ian, you do great work. Please keep it up!! Very interesting rifle.

@Lomi311 3 жыл бұрын

Love the mannlicher rifles, unusual but reasonably effective. Some of my favorite C&Rsenal primers are on these.

@bioemiliano 3 жыл бұрын

Those grooves for the hand are really deep

@loupiscanis9449 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you , Ian .

@FPS_Wingo 2 жыл бұрын

Ordered one from RTI a month ago and it’s finally on its way. Wicked excited to get my hands on it

@bakelite3691 2 жыл бұрын

How'd you do? I'm considering it too. Edit: I ordered one. Stoked even if it may be a garbage rod.

@jcorbo7518 3 жыл бұрын

Hey! I was just re watching the C&rsenal episode on the Steyr rifles. This and the Werndl were part of them and its incredible that Austria had some spectacular rifles and then decided to saty out of trouble lol. They were sooo close the the schoenauer too; who knows how that could've stalled the great war.

@hunter6664 3 жыл бұрын

Just took a road trip passed through rock island Illinois. Thought it was cool. Cheers

@Saturnus_Ouranos 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats

@alchoholicape9269 3 жыл бұрын

Another great video

@yeetbeam2273 3 жыл бұрын

Damn I am actually early... Waking up at 5:30am has its advantages.

@bskorupk 3 жыл бұрын

Morning..! :)

@socalgn159 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve bought a few rifles from RT and it appears that the Ethiopians deliberately scrubbed the finish off the exposed areas. The stocks show signs of wire wheeling. My assumption is the shinny metal isn’t as hot in the sun as the original dark blue finish. Anyone else see similar makings on their RT guns? It’s a shame they removed the finish as, at least on the Lebel and Berthier I bought, the finish under the stocks is in like new condition.

@beargillium2369 3 жыл бұрын

That's a really interesting theory that makes a lot of sense 🤔

@h.db.9684 2 жыл бұрын

RTI took a wire wheel to some of these guns before importing them. It’s likely that damage that you are seeing is modern.

@seadowg5515 3 жыл бұрын

Great stuff.

@SomewhereInSiberia 3 жыл бұрын

now it's time to read the Svejk!!!

@Altom941 3 жыл бұрын

I see you are a man of culture as well.

@SomewhereInSiberia 3 жыл бұрын

@@Altom941 *taking the hat off*

@nazarderkach9320 3 жыл бұрын

Username checks out.

@ADITADDICTS 3 жыл бұрын

Is Austro-Hungaria in alliance with Elbonia?

@invinciblemic 3 жыл бұрын

We were always at war with Elbonia

@grannypanties4214 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Gavrilo Princip was actually a secret Elbonian operative

@noremorsewoodworking2258 3 жыл бұрын

@@invinciblemic Who isn't?

@canadianwildman94 3 жыл бұрын

Was able to get my grandfathers take home Steyr M.95 Cavalry as my first rifle

@rogermarshall8991 3 жыл бұрын

Looks a lot like my 1895 carbine. Thanks for the info. 👍👍

@charlene2400 Жыл бұрын

the Steyr "ruck zuck" is one of my fave golden age rifles

@jaredwright5917 3 жыл бұрын

As a side note, don't ever pull the bolt out of an M88 or M95 unless it's necessary. They can be a real pain to put back in.

@merlemorrison482 3 жыл бұрын

ESPECIALLY the M95!!! :(

@dbmail545 3 жыл бұрын

IDK what you guys are talking about. I stripped and reassembled the bolt on my father's M95 without instructions.

@merlemorrison482 3 жыл бұрын

@@dbmail545 the problem on the M95 is that if you have much wear, the bolt head will snap out of battery and make it impossible to re-insert the bolt...

@jaredwright5917 3 жыл бұрын

I don't remember exactly what I did to get my M95 bolt back in last time, but it involved using a coin to keep things from immediately springing back out of position until it was in the receiver.

@antoninolatorre8355 3 жыл бұрын

a very much innovative rifle for his time ... before than following new model stright pull '95 Manlicher, so long

@mohammedcohen 3 жыл бұрын

...recently held the friend of a friend sell his 1890 to one of the largest sellers of C&R here in Florida...the friend thought it was worthless and was more than pleasantly surprised when he buyer gave him a great price for it...it was offered for sale on his sight for north of $900...

@wolfgangsereinig5305 3 жыл бұрын

I'm from Austria, and I own a Steyr Mannlicher SSG 69 police 👍

@williamsample2631 3 жыл бұрын

I'll go ahead rub it in!

@wolfgangsereinig5305 3 жыл бұрын

@@williamsample2631 😂

@artgrote6048 3 жыл бұрын

Nice rifle congratulations

@kdude24m 2 жыл бұрын

SSG bolt guns are really nice.

@Kilz78 3 жыл бұрын

Got a question for Forgotten Weapons or anyone else. Recently my son bought a Mauser Model 1891 Argentine rifle. Beautiful rifle with little wear and tear to the stock. Barrel and action shows it age but are still in very good shape. All numbers matching. We tried to find out when it was manufactured(year) and didn't have all that much luck. I believe at sometime in its life the barrel and stock were cut down. It's no long a Mannlicher stock but you can tell were someone plugged the hole for the ram rod. Just trying to figure out exactly what he bought. Haven't shot it yet because he had to go back to AIT after Christmas........ It also has the 2000m adjustable iron sights as the 95 in this video

@noahboat580 3 жыл бұрын

I like it how i went from looking at rare pokemon cards on ebay then segued into watching a video on a rare variation of the Steyr Mannlicher. The cards were not even "rare," just Birthday Pikachus and Delta Species Charizards...

@damascus1111 3 жыл бұрын

Be glad you did

@NoorElahi1776 3 жыл бұрын

I love how this completely educational, family friendly channel is demonetized on YT, while soft core porn is not.

@trogo24 3 жыл бұрын

I had one of these super cool gun.

@EIBBOR2654 3 жыл бұрын

I have one of these rifles. My Dad got it from his Brother, my Uncle, along with a French 8 mm Label rifle. My Uncle got a bunch of guns from some older guy, that collected guns back in the 1980's and wanted to get rid of them. He didn't think they had any value, unfortunately I had enlisted in the USAF and was stationed away from home at the time or I would have grabbed them all. He sold them for scrap metal after my Dad took the two. I wanted to shoot it but was advised not to because the hinged bolt might not handle the modern ammo pressure. I had to laugh at the "Safety" on that rifle, just a piece of metal screwed on to the back of the receiver that hinges over to block the bolt from opening. There is nothing to prevent the trigger from releasing the striker and firing a live round in the chamber. That piece or small plate of metal only keep the bolt from being operated in the closed position. But it was the first Straight Pull Bolt Rifle I had seen up to that point. The bolt is smooth and quick to operate. But the rifle does show it's age and I do not think it was kept very well. I do not believe this one came out of Ethiopia, this one could be a WWI war prize brought home after the war.

@jwnagy 3 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ: "Oh come all he who thirst." Gun Jesus: "Hi Guys!"

@drewgates1167 3 жыл бұрын

Ian. Do a video on the British lee's with experimental triggers of the boer war.

@F4Wildcat 3 жыл бұрын

For those intrested in "What the ef' there was a belgian firm that converted m88 and m90 mannlichers in 7.92x57mm

@hanfpeter2822 3 жыл бұрын

How dangerous is that?

@Adirondneck 3 жыл бұрын

88/24. The wedgelocker action is already pushed to the limit with the M93 8x50R smokeless cartridge..which was a cream puff compared to 8x57. It is a brave dude that shoulders that rifle. ..but i'd love to have one. I only have 7 Steyr Mannlicher rifles.

@dbmail545 3 жыл бұрын

They are not considered safe to shoot. The action was designed for a much lower pressure round. The 8x56r guns are fine if in good shape.

@dbmail545 3 жыл бұрын

@@Adirondneck I do not believe they changed any of the wedge lockers to 7.92. Just the M90 and M95. Still not strong enough for 7.92 and not considered safe to shoot.

@Adirondneck 3 жыл бұрын

@@dbmail545What 8x56R rifles? We're talking about wedgelockers here. And no..they DID convert some wedgelockers to 7.92. Like previously stated FN did the conversion and its called an 88/24.. And the 7.92 converted M95M is 100% safe to shoot. I have one and shoot it occasionally.

@elvindeboisblanc7595 3 жыл бұрын

Y'know, sometimes I think Ian puts too much time in to make us happy. I think he deserves a break once in a while.

@conanholmes8620 3 жыл бұрын

This guy is so devoted i agree!

@mowsnud606gaming 3 жыл бұрын

When you love your job it doesn't feel like a job. His vacation would be going somewhere to shoot/appreciate guns anyways. Prove me wrong I dare ya.

@steveminniear1282 3 жыл бұрын

I wish you had shown us the bolt action on this weapon. Nice video.

@MatthewDoye 3 жыл бұрын

Surprised they didn't shorten them when they converted them.

@ryans_small_engine97 3 жыл бұрын

Looking at the sights and trunnion, reminds of a Finnish mosin nagant look

@zendell37 3 жыл бұрын

I'm fascinated by this sort of thing. With all the random stuff that got dumped in Africa, how exactly does a group source ammo? Especially from these earlier cartridge guns before things got a bit more standardized.

@ironhead2008 3 жыл бұрын

Makes sense there's not many of these around: It's basically just a rebarreled 88/90. The smokeless loading of the early 1890s 8mm Mannlicher came out not long after the 88/90. That's probably not long enough for many 88/90s to get their bores burned up badly from black powder.

@shawnr771 3 жыл бұрын

Nice rifle.

@thomaswashburn3513 3 жыл бұрын

That’s interesting! I have a Browning T-Bolt. I have never seen another Straight Pull Bolt design before... I have Goggling to do!

@davidjames4890 3 жыл бұрын

Start with the Ross!

@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidjames4890 I think you need to start with the Lee 1895, in US service.

@thomaswashburn3513 3 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 I looked them both up... thanks!

@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын

@@thomaswashburn3513 no problem! (I find the Lee 1895 fascinating, personally)

@Voiceovertehe 3 жыл бұрын

Can i pay you to read me a book?

@Apgl257 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe one of his new books?

@paolomoraschinelli7643 3 жыл бұрын

Good Afternoon Ian, will you ever make a video about how to sight in a gun? I am a newbie in gun stuff, an i never found anything reliable about that.

@pallien7501 3 жыл бұрын

Do anyone know of some good information about the mannlicher m1885 trials gun? I got a very nice one in my collection, but there is not very much written about them.

@Calum_S 3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully I'm not out of line mentioning it, but the Royal Armouries have a lecture on Thornycroft to SA80 up on KZfaq.

@robertordewald8678 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, I have a early model 1889 Schmidt Rubin, is that a weapon that you plan to review. I have found a bunch of information on it recently but I want more. At some point it was converted into a sports rifle configuration but other than that it appears to be in good condition. I also have a MK 2 303 Enfield and a untouched Marlin 38/40W repeater with an octagon barrel(may have been silver) and a black walnut stock. These were my Dad's weapons that he bought before 1960, they have been sitting in my closet or under my bed for about 40 years and with my Mom after my father's death in 1982.

@bergstrom716 3 жыл бұрын

I'm curious were you able to purchase any of those guns you were present at when opened? be a super cool story

@LAHFaust 3 жыл бұрын

I believe in the uncrating video he said he was there specifically to buy one of the French Marine rifles they got in.

@anon_snake_ 3 жыл бұрын

Historical remembrance and preservation leads to some of the weirdest weapon stories I've ever seen.

@_ArsNova 3 жыл бұрын

Rumor has it these rifles were also paid as part of reparations from Austro-Hungaria to Elbonia after the war.

@presbyterosBassI 3 жыл бұрын

Ian, can you tell us about ammunition availability, i.e. whether or not your guns are "shooters"? Or is there a liability issue?

@Darth-Nihilus1 3 жыл бұрын

My pap had a M95/36k back when he was alive and I was going to buy it for $350 at the time. Nope sold it out from under me for $350 😳 same thing with the M44 that he never fired. I was the first to clean it fire it and everything. $350 for it as well but he sold it for $300 😔 I loved both of them.

@MrJob91 3 жыл бұрын

aw darn... try and find your own gems. Its never too late to start your own collection in rememberance of your paps

@Darth-Nihilus1 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrJob91 I have my own but these were two really great shape

@MrJob91 3 жыл бұрын

@@Darth-Nihilus1 i understand but maybe your son wil look at your guns and see them as the most beautiful story filled objects he wil ever experience. Just like you did

@Darth-Nihilus1 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrJob91 that gives me something to look forward to

@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын

The ones that were later converted to 7.92x57mm Mauser are a lot more scary.

@peterlazzari3950 3 жыл бұрын

I shoot a m95 in 8x50 and even with that mild load the bolt needs to be whacked open sometimes. No way I'd want to put 8x57 Mauser through one of these.

@johnkelinske1449 3 жыл бұрын

@@peterlazzari3950 I have owned one, didn't shoot it. Unless you handloaded it way down to a "safe" working pressure I wouldn't try it.

@m1994a3jagnew 3 жыл бұрын

Aha Ian! The PPS50. Ever done one of those?

@collingriga1819 3 жыл бұрын

He has to eventually run out of guns to talk about

@mrs.vasquezz 3 жыл бұрын

No way

@alanevans5892 3 жыл бұрын

We will all die of old age first.

@damascus1111 3 жыл бұрын

Considering that firearms have existed since the age of the Mongols, I doubt he will run out within the lifespan of his channel or even our own lives. Also it’s “forgotten weapons” so if he really wanted to he could expand to other historical kinds of weapons.

@Zretgul_timerunner 3 жыл бұрын

Right... Right?

@williamsample2631 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe in your lifetime!

@jirikolar1072 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Ian, you review the Battlefield 1 and 1917 so can you review game Beyond the wire?

@isaachitchcock7113 3 жыл бұрын

Can you do a video comparing straight bolt actions and bolt actions please?

@hendriktonisson2915 3 жыл бұрын

Were any Mannlicher 88 or Mannlicher 95 rifles ever converted to the 7.92x57mm Mauser cartridge?

@jimservu 3 жыл бұрын

Some M95’s were converted to 7.92 by Yugoslavia

@hendriktonisson2915 3 жыл бұрын

@@jimservu Were there more countries that did that or only Yugoslavia? I would think that Germans during WW2 did convert some former Austrian guns to 7.92 because they did convert some Italian Carcano rifles to 7.92 during WW2.

@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын

There were some 88s converted to 8x57 by commercial Belgians firms; these are not considered safe to fire today. The M95 was converted to 8x57 as the M95M aka M95/24 in Yugoslavian service. These are a short rifle length, and were also converted to use Mauser stripper clips through the use of an internal clip.

@jimservu 3 жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons thanks for the info Ian!

@hendriktonisson2915 3 жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks Ian!

@danm7298 2 жыл бұрын

Are the 88/95s safe to shoot? like with smokless powder?

@chrisproctor123 3 жыл бұрын

I've got an M1886 that I intend to display on a wall. Shame it's so hard to find the en-bloc clips as I'd love to make up some dummy rounds to cycle through it. I'm tempted to buy a Schmidt-Rubin next

@mikemeyer4800 3 жыл бұрын

U should. K11s and k31s are like butter compared to the steyr mannlichers. In my opinion they are the pinnacle of straight pulls. Plus the 7.5 swiss ammo is superb, and never used corrosive ammo, so the bores and barrels are usually flawless

@williamsample2631 3 жыл бұрын

Take the man's advice buy one you won't be disappointed. It'll be like going from a Chevy to a Cadillac. But in truth it's a Rolls-Royce!

@donjones4719 3 жыл бұрын

I'm very curious, because you've featured a number of weapons imported from Ethiopia - How did Ethipoia end up with *so* many rifles (not just these Mannlichers) from early eras?Was it all from the Italian post-WW I distribution of various war retributions? I know they had no shortage of rebellions or wars with neighbors, thus a constant influx of assorted arms. But how or why were so many of these early ones stored in the last few decades when they were totally obsolete even for the most desperate rebels - kinda hard to lay hands on ammo, for one thing.

@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын

It's not all that uncommon for countries to keep decades or even centuries of obsolete small arms, usually because it's easier than the process of getting rid of them.

@donjones4719 3 жыл бұрын

@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks so much. An important piece of knowledge I'll have to keep stored away and not let my old brain get rid of.

@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын

Even in the second Italo/ abbesinian war of 1936 only a part of ethiopian forces had been forces of the central/ imperial gouvernement. This had been about 100000 men. This was the perhaps 25000 men ,Royal Guard' with the best uniforms, hand arms, few heavy equipment ( machineguns, some anti- aircraft, anti- tank and other modern cannons, a handfull of civilian aircrafts, few lorries , some of them lightly armoured) and the best training by belgian, swiss and swedish officers ( small or neutral countries, for no diplomatic problems with the ,world powers) . Tourists/ Observers said the , Royal Guard ' seem to be the best african forces, and the Emperor tried, to build at first the guard as core of a new ethiopian army. The Main Army , perhaps 75000 men had been equipped and trained on low level. The reason for so many different types of rifles, is the fact, that still in 1936 in wartime the nobility moblized their feudal levies. So the Lords had to equip their leviemen, and in peacetime the noblemen bought and stored weapons, they could get. Also lots of feudal leviemen came with own weapons, the poor ones still with muzzleloaders and few with spears.

@donjones4719 3 жыл бұрын

@@brittakriep2938 Fascinating. Thanks for the detailed info.

@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын

@@donjones4719 : I am german, and for german law reason , no gunowner. But i visited a number of museums, castles, historic sites ( in my Landkreis/ Arrondissement/ (US) county there are fortifications from bronze age, celtic, roman, medieval and Renaissance age) and some events, US citizens would call ,Gun Show'. About 20years ago, i noticed at such an event the ,books' of a british company ,Osprey' about military history. With the years i bought a number of this books, there are two , which are about the two italo- ethiopian wars of 1896 and 1936. Thats the reason, ,why i know something about this unusual toppic.

@wilsonlaidlaw 3 жыл бұрын

Ian, did Ethiopia ever upgrade any of their Mannlicher rifles to 8 x 56R ammunition, as was done by Austria and Hungary for 2nd line troops during the 1930's. The M95 Carbine I had some 50 years ago, was in 8 x 56R and from the markings, it was believed to be ex Hungarian Border Guards/Police (Határrendörség).

@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын

The ones I saw were all 8x50.

@Spudmonkey_ 3 жыл бұрын

Unless I missed something, wouldn't those M88's that had the original wedge locking mechanism designed for the black powder cartridges now be shooting the modern smokeless ammunition? Was the original locking mechanism strong enough to handle the new ammunition? I assume it was, considering the Italians decided to use them in Africa - unless they didn't realise the difference between the 88/95's and the regular 95's.

@88porpoise 3 жыл бұрын

I believe it would fall under it is good enough most of the time, but probably not recommended today.

@thomasholland5171 3 жыл бұрын

Bf1 flashbacks

@michaelmorrismorris6113 3 жыл бұрын

I very much doubt it could still be fired. Check out the barrel condition.

@h1r43th4l1v3 2 жыл бұрын

02:08 Ian is laughing at the fact mass casualties were suffered :)

@stijnVDA1994 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, Could you try to look for a rifle that was made here in the netherlands in my home town of Culemborg since there were very cool looking weapons like musket like rifles aswel as canon that have a swirl barrel about a few hundred years ago when it was a freehold town

@SearTrip 3 жыл бұрын

It’s an M.90/95. The rifle you show as an M.88/90 is an M.90, the M.90 rifle & M.90 carbine being two completely different animals.

@diegorincon4673 2 жыл бұрын

Damn, they had these in 88’? It took us (USA) an entire decade to adopt rifles these.

@TheThingNG 3 жыл бұрын

The reason she's my ex is because she's a Mannlicher

@williamsample2631 3 жыл бұрын

I thought it was because she wouldn't let you buy of these rifles. I mean a man does have his limits!

@kantenklaus9753 3 жыл бұрын

finally a man of principle.

@johnturner5893 3 жыл бұрын

Are you joking? Why would you get rid of someone like that?

@justarandommalayboi8231 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve always have an interest and love for this rifle when I saw it in Battlefield 1, it’s just about the revolutionary straight-pull bolt that I have so much interest in it, just as much as the Lee Enfield SMLE Mk.III!

@sirboomsalot4902 3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think this rifle is in BF1, it’s successor the M95 is though

@scronk4486 3 жыл бұрын

Video games always make people think they're geniuses about guns, but in most cases they're always wrong, just like you are here.

@sirboomsalot4902 3 жыл бұрын

@@scronk4486 Eh, it’s a simple mistake in this case. In game it’s just called the Gew. 95, and this is a straight pull that ends in 95. And from the top they look similar

@justarandommalayboi8231 3 жыл бұрын

@@sirboomsalot4902 oh

@poorman1973 2 жыл бұрын

It’s probably already been asked but are these rifles in fireable condition?

@jacknelson8601 3 жыл бұрын

Very, very interesting. Love these old guns........just sayin.

@williamsample2631 3 жыл бұрын

Get in line because everything seems to be made of plastic nowadays if you know what I mean!

@EireGenX 3 жыл бұрын

Did any odball pistols come in from Ethiopian or just rifles?

@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын

I think it's just rifles in that haul. At least so far.

@prazcuray1388 3 жыл бұрын

Cool

@693514V 3 жыл бұрын

Which 8mm were these rifles chambered in ? 8mm Mauser, 8mm rimmed ? Were they .318 bore or .323 ?

@astridvallati4762 Жыл бұрын

8x50R .324 Bullet, .329 Grooves, .315 Lands for the Ethiopian Mannlichers. DocAV

@joshcassell8954 3 жыл бұрын

I like to Know more about the M1886.

@remcodenouden5019 3 жыл бұрын

I believe the Dutch army was still using the Manlicher M95 at the onset of WWII.

@88porpoise 3 жыл бұрын

The Dutch Manlichers were a completely different action, including being a turn bolt rather than straight pull. They were derived from the German Gewehr 88, which Steyr got rights to produce in a settlement of patent claims over the German use of Manlicher’s magazine in in.

@remcodenouden5019 3 жыл бұрын

@@88porpoise ah, I just assumed the "geweer, Manlicher, M95" was a Dutch contract of Manlicher model 95s. Thanks for clearing that up!

@88porpoise 3 жыл бұрын

@@remcodenouden5019 That is an easy mistake when the names are so similar. Say what you will about the British, but at least they had distinctive and clear naming conventions.

@JRockySchmidt 3 жыл бұрын

Please tell me that Mannlicher has become a phrase that means kicks harder than it needs too

@LeDibeau 3 жыл бұрын

It is called "Ruck-Zuck-Verschluß" ;-)

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

When you say 8mm, do you mean the case head is marked 8 mm?Or is it 7.92 mm

@davidberesford875 3 жыл бұрын

It’s an 8x56R cartridge that it takes. Full 8mm

@51WCDodge 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidberesford875 Thanks, some of the reference to 8 mm being 7.92 is confusing me.

@ineednochannelyoutube5384 3 жыл бұрын

@@davidberesford875 Its actually 8x50R. 8x56 is the updated spitzer bullet.

@dbmail545 3 жыл бұрын

@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 thanks for saving me the trouble.

@kevinoliver3083 4 ай бұрын

@@davidberesford875No 8x50mmR. Steyr M95 rifles were upgraded to 8x56mmR from 1930 but the M88 and M90 rifles weren't safe to convert.

@011CJ Жыл бұрын

So is every old surplus rifle cleaning rod bent to keep it from falling out? OR is it that the ones that got bent and wedged in never fell out and are the only ones left? 🤣 Thanks for the vids 👍 I wish I could buy a bunch of these Ethiopian rifles it is a really cool history on some of them

@otakubancho6655 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder how many wound up in Elbonian hands?🤔🤔🤔

@hellcattankdemon1645 Жыл бұрын

What’s funny is that I own one, the down side is that I don’t have the magazine and the rounds

@harryjoe860 7 ай бұрын

eBay has them for not that much

@citamcicak 3 жыл бұрын

I have to say, I'd probably have been happier to go to a frontline with blackpowder Manlicher M1886 rather the smokless Lebel Model 1886 - moszly on the strength of revolutionary clip loading system.

@liammeech3702 3 жыл бұрын

Blackpowder smoke will show you up... Also blackpower rifles need more maintenance

@citamcicak 3 жыл бұрын

@@liammeech3702 Fair enough, but it wasn't untill failiure of 1914 battles that european armies realized how important such details are. I was refering to having to being able to make such a decision, as with knowledge of firearms of average person in 1886 or 1887. Tehnically both guns were instantly made obsolete by the other. It's just that one goverment rectified that before a major armed conflict happened.

@88porpoise 3 жыл бұрын

@@liammeech3702 Of course during the first battle in which you want to fire 20 rounds reasonably rapidly those issues might be a mite smaller. Both have a huge flaw and the Gewehr 88 was a huge step above both of them, even with its issues, by combining clip loading with smokeless powder.

@gmsherry1953 3 жыл бұрын

They were only rebarreled, right? The receiver stayed the same? Didn't that mean they were shooting smokeless powder cartridges out of an action with a wedge as a locking device instead of a rotating bolt? Why didn't the cartridges blow the bolt out the back of the action?

@peterlazzari3950 3 жыл бұрын

Plenty of black powder guns were adopted to shoot smokeless. The 8x50R is a fairly mild round. Not advocating you do it though. Health and safety was a lot less of an issue back then.

@gmsherry1953 3 жыл бұрын

@@peterlazzari3950 Thanks. Ian emphasized the wedge versus the rotating bolt but then didn't mention it regarding the update -- I thought maybe the update updated that too and I just didn't understand. Glad to know I didn't simply miss it.