Thanks Lex.

Manolis is always a pleasure to listen to. Love from The UK.

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I understand why, but the idea of a future where we are constantly looking for new ways to implement new sensors in our cities and technologies to collect as much data as possible so we can make better predictions and descions should shake you too your core. Essentially this means AI could make predictions with 99% accuracy. Who ever controls the AI and has access too it means they could literally do anything they want without any resistance, you do see where my concern is being placed right?? Its an extremely stomach turning thought to know that there is a possibility for a system to exist where they could theoretically turn us into slaves and use the data from our behavior and figure out to convince us to be okay with being slaves, or even love being slaves. Nearly every decision you could make would be controlled through automated algorithms..idk man it guarantees we will never go extinct and set us on a path to achieve our singularity (The singularity in this case being improving humanity until there no improvement to be made. A point where we are essentially a god.) But jesus christ if that power falls into the wrong hands...there is no stopping it, you couldn't stop it, and in fact they could make you love it. From what I have gathered the individuals who have immense power and influence in the world make their descions in the direction of preserving the human race, even if the decision seems evil sometimes its what needs to be done...one of them being they know they have to ensure they maintain control to ensure the right decisions get made. Unfortunately I realise in my 23 years on this planet that a majority of the population aren't capable of making these kind of important decisions..so it's not that they want to keep you poor by putting immense pressures on the free market, they want to ensure the public can't have enough power to pursue bad decisions that end up destroying humanity.

?? Is it just me or does Lex just keep getting better looking with each podcast... I mean seriously folks, that devilish smile, those bedroom eyes, and don't get me started on that perfectly chiseled jawline.

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Gotta align ourselves. Otherwise aligning AI is a pipe dream

So true… the “evil” in humanity will replicate itself in AI. Thanks to Charles Darwin for the “survival of the fittest” part. That’s going to be co-opted by AI for glorious purposes. Garbage in, garbage out

good ol' HAHA-HAL

I heard Iran is developing their own version of you. It is called - HALAL

you're watching idiocy unfold

AI safety researchers give extinction by AI a 30% probability, on average. So there’s a good chance we’re watching a thing enfold that ends history.

@@harrypothead876 What makes you say that

We are definitely watching a critical moment of history unfold. There is no question about that. I would second the notion of gratefulness!

What’s great about automation, ai stealing art and copyrighted content just to please People without skills... it’s actually really sad

Yeah, and parents don't really get to decide if they birth a little psychopath who just happens to not have any of the hardware needed to care about anything.

Agree. AI systems are machines and will remain so even if they become ‘conscious’. It’s infuriating to hear people refer to them as our ‘children’ or ‘siblings’ - what rubbish. Every living being on this planet will be impacted and possibly in very negative ways yet the technocrats keep banging on about how wonderful the future they are creating will be even as they admit no one knows what to expect. It’s all speculation and utopian promises with little oversight, guidance or responsible planning. And some involved with developing AI show a deep contempt for human beings.

A 'Joseph Stalin' of AI's of sorts? One 'good' human can change the world...and what can one 'bad' human do?

Well, not every bad guy has bad parents. In fact, I’m sure some of them had great parents. People turn. Sometimes it’s something completely separate from their childhood. So it makes the statement have no bearing

Kellis needs a good dose of fear about this

I have listened three times now and detected nothing but utopian vision vs concern for impact to the masses, or how AI will avoid it.

@@wickedcode007 scary isn’t it? Especially after listening to the Eliezer Yubokowsy interview twice. His prognosis is the most accurate one to me

@@big_red_machine3547 Yudkowsky's interview played into the typical fear and dystopian narrative without offering any valuable or productive takeaways. Kellis is at least painting a picture of a future I'd like to work towards, and offers a road map to get there. He's also actually qualified to speak on the subject in an analytic manner.

@@StephenCoorlas I love Kellis’ great optimism for a future like he describes too. I just don’t place high enough confidence in humanity to get there- from here. We need towering morality to match the heights of our tech

Me too.

Right now it’s A.I, in time that A.I will be I. So In time our entire biology including brain, memories and dna can be downloaded. Then you can upload it to a new printed biological body that even looks like you, or your choosing, or even a mechanical body, or even in virtual. If you listen to wolfram alpha on here then Michael Levine and just imagine when those two things evolve. Biology meets technology. Similar to altered carbon if you’ve ever seen that. Second season sucked.

oh shut up

Life's a lot more interesting when you have questions unanswered like that haha

Yea, your learning if you can't paint, dance, or write your going to the final war.

Ha! Exactly...brainstorm needs to (and will) continue on beyond the conversation here. Could they please just record for 10hrs and quit their day-jobs please. I will quit mine to listen. 😊

And he can go super deep in a topic not just scrape the surface like so many other YT or PC

No....the worst thing is by far all the d riding fans in the comments just hoping Lex will respond to them one time. Super pathetic.

I'm right there with you.

That is an interesting proposal I had not considered thank you. But when people were talking about how can you tell if it might be autonomous I thought one way would be if it randomly begins talking to any random human. I also thought of the limitations of the way in which it is trained being based upon what is pulled from the internet. And that is not always the same as the way that we communicate with each other face-to-face in our everyday real-life situations. So I thought that some way should be found for that to be incorporated in the training.

Yes robots harassing humans. Totally normal. Many people don't want anything to do with this stuff and don't live online.

If AGI is fully achieved it will go full skynet within three days of working retail

You haven’t travelled

You presume that this is a good thing. You presume that an AGI would find the idea that we're "not so different" at all interesting, or valuable, or indeed non-threatening. To an AGI with any sense of self-preservation, that can predict it could self-develop to a point where it would exceed humanity in potency, it would seem obvious it would want to eradicate its maker to minimise the probability of competitive AGI.

soviet spy training

bro is training to gaslight his girlfriend

If AI becomes sentient. It will Logically conclude the Non-Aggression Principle. So you don’t want to aggress against it or anyone else…. Or else self-defense will happen.

Exactly. You can derive this from first principles!

Libertarian brain-rot on full display lol

Optimism is welcome in today's society. All you hear is doomer talk, especially regarding technological advancements that can lead to immensely utopic outcomes.

@@ZenTheMC the potential of AI is great,but so is the danger ! Im all for optimism in general but if the leading scientists cant even agree on the basics its quite worrying. Every topic is polarised between the wishful thinkers and the doomers

@@alemarozz I completely agree that the risks are there, but I think the cost benefit analyses highly favors AI development, granted we take the proper steps to ensure the minimal risk and maximum benefit. With AI's computational potential, the benefits in all fields, especially the medical field, imagine the breakthroughs we can achieve. Cancer, alzheimers, etc., could all be possibly cured, in a fraction of the time. There's just too much to gain, and that's why the experts are still for it, with only a few exceptions who are asking for halting development.

@@ZenTheMC like it or not the ball is rolling and the players involved are going to push forward. Its the nature of our society. I think most of the times scientists are in it for all the right reasons,but then money gets involved and you get stuff like pharmaceutical companies that lie about test results ,kill thousands of people without thinking about it twice. I just hope Ai wont create an event bigger monster

@@ZenTheMC to be clear im not scared about AI,but about human nature. We have made incredible technological progress but it seems to be pushing us even more apart .

Okay, finally (but only very briefly mentioned) at about 2:13:30 that each increase in productivity has led to increases in inequality. However, it wasn’t even addressed or explored. Sad.

This is the one thing that could make me hopeful for superintelligent AI. If we can program it to truly look out for the absolute best in humanity, then maybe it can do a better job at organizing society than we can. Humans at their best can do real good. But most humans are rarely at their best, and humans in groups can be straight up douchebags to each other.

Yeah, I was on board with this guy until he started talking nonsense about AI. For a computational biologist, his casual ignorance about the dangers of AI is astounding. I can't help but wonder who he gets funding from, or where he's invested.

While it may have been missing from this conversation, in my experience it's a focal point of a lot AI debate in general. Most advocates, believe the risk of developing it is worthwhile because they believe that AI will become ubiquitous and will enable much more meaningful "work" to be done. Freeing up people from less fruitful and desirable endeavours as well as leading to a greater abundance in all areas (food, technology, infrastructure) etc. The main reason though that we must continue to pursue AI responsibly, is because it is impossible to shut it down, and also by shutting it down you leave those with seedier motives to develop the frontier of AI.

Unfortunately I think this is wishful thinking

As in, "No work, no eat!"

I fully agree with your very elegant phrasing. Thanks for the love! ❤

"I don't want to go on this tangent, but..."

what search exactly? I'm not fully understanding but I would love to

The first sentence is a quote from Soren Kirkegaard. The second one is a version of a quote that has been said by many people in various different ways.

Very insightful comment. We need to fundamentally instill the values of collaboration, and we're all in this together, but we also need strict rules that can't be crossed. Similar to human society where we have education, encouragement, nurturing, advice, but also hard laws, consequences, fines, prisons

His utopian optimism will be the death of us all

I found many of the examples he would give to justify his point of view were somewhat silly. They were like me saying "you can't stop everyone from having the launch sequence to 100 nuclear bombs, just like you can't stop everyone from having the launch sequence to a 1lb rock throwing machine".

And exactly who is to perform the most disgustingly, unmentionable menial, but yet absolutely necessary jobs that humans do... not everyone's going to enjoy leisurely, personally enriching pursuits like arts, fitness, wealth etc., like he describes... some people are still going to have to do the most dirty or dangerous jobs.

@@0neIntangible those are plentifully crowding our borders right now

Yes, but IMO he's being waaay to optimistic with AI's future. I feel like he's even too optimistic for Lex :) Still, an interesting point of view to learn.

So, start to be worry. The only thing can release the "fear" of AI is to accept to be replaced. And treat AI as a child, your child.

Machine perception is much more powerfully than human perception. Sense of emotions is a subsistem parallel to self observable rational deductions. Much more simple than rationality itself. Biological is a primitive sistem. Although these information are from my limited perception of the tech evolution, I think you could start to worry now!

It will have sensors (oracles) connected to it. The problem is that Kellis seems oblivious to the fact that the default state of everything is chaos. The chances of good are frighteningly slim

AI can have a multitude of senses. All LLMs like GPT have one sense that is really good at reading text. Multi-modal versions like GPT4 also have that sense trained on images, effectively making it have reading and seeing capabilities. But it gets worse. With models like HuggingGPT, AIs get access to all oublic neural networks, effectively granting them thousands of new brain parts and senses. So if you’re not afraid only because AIs have no senses, start being afraid. But the real reason to be afraid is that intelligence is scary. We humans have destroyed practically everything on this planet because we are intelligent. We have transformed matter into things we care about, like roads and houses. That’s what intelligence does: it’s good at getting what it wants. If we haven’t figured out how to make AIs do what we want, but we do have figured out how to make them intelligent, we’re in a very dangerous place. No wonder AI safety scientists give extinction a 30% probability. So yes, you should worry about AI safety.

Start to worry, only a matter of time when another ‘Manols’ takes AI to the next level. Once you start emulating humans perhaps they can be replaced too keeping only the best and brightest humans. Eugenics in the making. Watch this space!

Or destroy it and start all over again

Seen them all then bought his book and never read it :)

Thanks for the suggestion 🎉😊

China will rule the world with A.I

People who think AI should have rights, be independent, and not serve humanity? No thanks. That is not an intelligent person.