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MANSON MURDERS ON CIELO DRIVE AND WAVERLY DRIVE Part 1

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2S: The HORROR QUARTERS Podcast

2S: The HORROR QUARTERS Podcast

Күн бұрын

Part 1 of this episode covers the 2 nights in August where SHARON TATE, ABIGAIL FOLGER, STEVEN PARENT, PAUL RICHARD POLANSKI, VOYTEK FRYKOWSKI, JAY SEBRING, LENO and ROSEMARY LABIANCA were brutally murdered.
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@sherrymia4719
@sherrymia4719 Жыл бұрын
Good job thank you for mentioning Paul and Steven no one does❤❤❤
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
I appreciate that. Thank You for watching.
@Louellastark
@Louellastark Ай бұрын
They name Steven in every single one I’ve ever seen
@hambam7533
@hambam7533 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine that talking at the news stand with someone about the Tate murders and ofcourse not realizing in a few hours your next to be murdered by the same people ,thats crazy to think about
@sherrymia4719
@sherrymia4719 Жыл бұрын
Omg can you imagine that poor woman 👩 when she realized who they were
@724kdr
@724kdr 7 ай бұрын
And yet they were so careless to leave the door open and did not attempt to defend themselves even though they collected guns
@jimmypage1808
@jimmypage1808 18 күн бұрын
yeah so much for the summers of love
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 18 күн бұрын
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@AlexGarcia-xz4tn
@AlexGarcia-xz4tn 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely admire your content! No matter how many times i know about a case that you cover i will always watch!!!
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the time. It’s definitely appreciated!
@normajean7332
@normajean7332 Жыл бұрын
one of the best channels for this content!!
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
Thank You!
@rubygirl214
@rubygirl214 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the 70’s in Canoga Park, right next to Chatsworth and the Spahn Ranch, so many of my neighbors had been there renting horses and riding. They had all met the family members so they all had stories. My husband’s parents were newlyweds in 1969 and they lived in Benedict Canyon on Yoakum Drive at the time of the murders. His mom told me how terrifying it was when they happened because until then, it was a very safe community and there was no crime up there.
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and sharing that!
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
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@crmay72
@crmay72 5 ай бұрын
Yes, thanks for sharing your story! This case has always fascinated me. Just curious, is Yoakum Drive close to Cielo Drive?
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 5 ай бұрын
@crmay72 Thanks for watching. I'm not sure where that street is.
@crmay72
@crmay72 5 ай бұрын
@@horror_2s Apologies for any miscommunication on my end but I was directing my question to rubygirl214, not you. Lol.
@thatgardeninggirl2864
@thatgardeninggirl2864 2 жыл бұрын
Sharon is honestly one of the most beautiful women I've ever "seen" a natural beauty GOD rest her Soul God Bless Steven Sharon Abigail Voytex Jay baby Paul and The LaBiancas.... I can NOT imagine the fear they ALL felt makes me nervous to even think of it. I'm sure Susan And Charlie are burning in hell as will Tex Pat and Leslie.
@jeromealexandre4162
@jeromealexandre4162 Жыл бұрын
It had nothing to do with Charlie - he was a criminal - but not a hippie cult leader . It’s been verified by polanskis producer gene Gutowski and many more that Jay and voytek were dealing drugs from the house - Tex being a scumbag who regularly ripped dealers off as well as Linda Kasabian masterminded the whole thing - look at the crimes they committed prior to meeting Manson . Anyway Tex went to rob jay and voytek of drugs and the whole thing turned into a terrible bloodbath . The motive that Manson though Terry Melcher was living their isn’t accurate either as Melcher admitted Manson knew he’d moved and been to the new residence .
@robertafierro5592
@robertafierro5592 8 ай бұрын
This is my new fave Manson Channel. I even recommended it to my very good friend Mike Pellugrino in Miami Beach. Hes thd only guy i know thats into the Mansons like i am! Keep.up the great work!
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 8 ай бұрын
I appreciate it! Thanks! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q7B_YJOqu7GXhYU.html
@lilacbloom8391
@lilacbloom8391 2 жыл бұрын
William Garrettson later said in an interview he heard Abigail Folger screaming.
@danielhartin7680
@danielhartin7680 Жыл бұрын
Of course he did, she was the victim who was closest to the guest house. There's no way Garrettson was either sleeping or listening to music, Steven Parent had JUST left after visiting him. Years later he admitted to hearing "popping" sounds" which of course was Parent being shot. I can't blame Garrettson for being reluctant to talk for all those years, there's nothing he could have done at the time except getting himself killed by trying to intervene. They got all the convictions and that's what really mattered.
@cathygiuliana9089
@cathygiuliana9089 6 күн бұрын
I really was glued to my iPad listening and watching this! Great commentary and excellent footage of the events that occurred in August of ‘69! By the time I got back from Woodstock ‘69, in Bergen County NJ, we were no longer referred to as “flower children” but “dirty hippies” because of these horrific murders. People started locking their homes and cars. No one trusted anyone like before. I was 17 and going into my senior year of high school. I lost my babysitting job because I had long hair, wore bell bottoms, and no shoes. Not a good look anymore if you wanted to be trusted. It was the end of an era. The end of the age of innocence for me! Everybody was looking over their shoulders at the people they used to trust and care about. It was the end of the ‘60’s! The world got mean! 🚫❤️☮️✌️🕊️😔
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 6 күн бұрын
Thank you for watching. In case you haven't seen this 4 part documentary on the bike delivery boy that night, here it is. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7uneathz5i-hGg.html
@gisellesinclair6811
@gisellesinclair6811 2 ай бұрын
The LaBianca’s stopping at the newsstand, reading and talking about the Tate murders, with absolutely no clue that 2 hours later the same people would be at your house.
@susanperry3908
@susanperry3908 Жыл бұрын
I just discovered this Podcast and I LOVE IT! I have been watching all the episodes. I especially love seeing all the crime scenes and learning so much new information. Keep up the great work, I will recommend this to all my friends!
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
Thank Youuuu! I really appreciate your time!
@aisle_of_view
@aisle_of_view 2 жыл бұрын
53 Years ago today? LA is such a weird town. Darkness amidst the relentless sunshine.
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 2 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed. Thanks for watching.
@marylynnkotis7246
@marylynnkotis7246 2 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best info. I've seen about this infamous crime.
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@jimmypage1808
@jimmypage1808 Жыл бұрын
Anyone else agree that Dennis Wilson put the tate murders..in motion by picking up the Manson girl's hitchhiking?..
@jeromealexandre4162
@jeromealexandre4162 Жыл бұрын
Dennis introduced Tex to Charles Manson too .
@maryannmccarthy9029
@maryannmccarthy9029 Жыл бұрын
I think Dennis realized that and that is why he sunk more into drugs
@franksantucci3038
@franksantucci3038 22 күн бұрын
Terry Melcher !! Doris Day almost lost her son. Manson also had a hit list of movie stars, number one on the list was Frank Sinatra, number two was Steve McQueen....
@ericmartin9296
@ericmartin9296 2 жыл бұрын
Poor Winifred Chapman that poor woman must've had PTSD after walking into that crime scene
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 2 жыл бұрын
Yes most likely. Thanks for watching.
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e Жыл бұрын
guess who else saw the bodies before anyone saw them... cassie elliott she went at 4:00 am thinking there was going to be a party which sometimes they did have parties there.
@PaulDoe79
@PaulDoe79 4 ай бұрын
​@MyGodMySavior777 why didn't she call the police then?
@lkylaurenkay
@lkylaurenkay Жыл бұрын
Excellent excellent timeline!!
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
Thank You! Here is the latest episode on the case. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q7B_YJOqu7GXhYU.html
@jeandixson5610
@jeandixson5610 2 жыл бұрын
This is a very good report, thank you!💔
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 2 жыл бұрын
Thank YOU!
@sharonletchford9375
@sharonletchford9375 4 ай бұрын
Im back to hear your podcast again, something about this that makes me return like the black dahlia. Thanks
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@nicholasshade
@nicholasshade 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the upload. Love and light from Gore, Oklahoma.💚
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Thanks for the watch!
@williamlambert
@williamlambert 2 жыл бұрын
i'm loving the content you guys put out
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@thatgardeninggirl2864
@thatgardeninggirl2864 2 жыл бұрын
And he has such a Great voice face is lovely too 😍
@hottytoddyfinsup
@hottytoddyfinsup Жыл бұрын
I know those dogs had to have been going nuts that night. I'll bet the caretaker saw something but stayed hidden.
@terilamoreaux1020
@terilamoreaux1020 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for counting Paul ❣
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
Indeed. Thank You for watching. Here js the latest episode. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q7B_YJOqu7GXhYU.html
@laurataylor8179
@laurataylor8179 3 ай бұрын
Cool thanks for that info on telephone poles
@lynnereyes5125
@lynnereyes5125 2 жыл бұрын
Even though I know the story of what happened I really enjoyed your video thanks for posting it
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You
@sheilacamp
@sheilacamp 9 ай бұрын
I just found your podcast and subscribed. This is the second one I have watched. I am so impressed with pictures & details I have never seen. Thank you. I know you will quickly grow a large audience with your excellent content and hard work.
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 9 ай бұрын
Thank you !!! I appreciate your time.
@joshlight6892
@joshlight6892 Жыл бұрын
you know its said that there are several people who could have potentially been at Cielo Drive that night who could have been victims to had they been there. But actually, the more people who would have been there that night, the harder it would have been for the killers to subdue all the victims. At the time, the police didn't know how many killers were or what their capabilities were. Of course now we know it was Tex Watson, Susan Atkins, and Patricia Krenwinkel. Yes Linda Kasabian came with them but by all accounts she wasn't a killer and likely would not have done anything. I just wonder if those three were so far gone they would have attacked the house no matter how many people were there. And if so a couple more people being there may have been enough to turn the tables on their attackers? Obviously we will never know for sure, but they apparently had enough problems with who was there as both Folger and Frykowski put up a tremendous fight.
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
Yes indeed. Great points. I appreciate your time and Thank You for watching.
@shannondutt4887
@shannondutt4887 3 ай бұрын
❤ love your video
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching. Here is an interview with Dennis Hearst as well. A 4 part interview. He was at Cielo Drive that evening kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7uneathz5i-hGg.html
@lonnybush5612
@lonnybush5612 5 ай бұрын
I will always wonder why! Sharon and Jay's blood was on the front porch. Why the cover up or as people say the bodies where move d
@daisyq3418
@daisyq3418 11 ай бұрын
Helter Skelter is a fascinating book.
@franksantucci3038
@franksantucci3038 23 күн бұрын
Watching this sure brings back memories, at 29:50 you talk about a news stand. That was the most famous news stand in all of LA, it sold newspapers, magazines, cigarettes, and Cigars, on all 4 corners of the intersection. If you went North on Hillhurst from there for 2 blocks, you come to Finley, make a right and go down 3 buildings you come to my Grandmothers apartment building. Lived there till I was almost 3, my parents, sister and me moved in 59. If you went 1 block South from the news stand on Hillhurst you came to my Uncles famous LA restaurant Milano's. Remember when my Uncle Ralph opened that place back in 63. It was still there in 94 the last time I was down there, don't know about now. If you went half a mile further South on Hillhurst, took a left drove a couple blocks you'd be in Silver Lake. If you took a right instead of a left, and drove a few blocks you're in Hollywood. But the news stand, and Milano's, and my Grandma's were in Los Felix, as was the LaBianca home. According to the book Helter Scelter, Manson, Watson, Atkins, and Krenwinkle were sitting in a car parked 1 block from the news stand on Hillhurst, looking for their next potential victims, when they spotted the LaBianca's at the news stand and followed their T bird towing a boat back to their house. That certainly was a famous intersection, Franklin and Hillhurst, my Grandmother used to walk right by it 6 nights a week as she used to make salads at my Uncles restaurant and walked the 3 or 4 blocks from her apartment building. It's a good thing for those Hippies sake, that they didn't spot Grandma walking that night and follow her, my Nana used to carry a meat cleaver in her coat sleeve. Great Video, thanks for the memories....
@franksantucci3038
@franksantucci3038 23 күн бұрын
BTW, not to make a long story longer but here goes. My best memories of Los Felix from when I was a kid, mid 50s to 60s was of course Griffith Park and the LA Zoo. But my favorite was if you were on the Golden State Freeway and you took the Los Felix exit, as soon as you came off of the off ramp onto Los Felix Blvd there was a giant fountain there in the middle of a small park. It used to spray water 50 feet into the air, and at night they used to shine colored lights on the water plumes. So the water went from green to blue, to red, to yellow, to purple. The color changed about every 10 seconds, to a kid it was awesome, but it was grownups you'd see sitting on the benches watching the show. For the record I'd like to State that my Grandmother's apartment building was just that, she owned the 7 unit building, rented out 6 units and lived in the owners unit above the carports in the back. Then my Father took part of the carports and made another unit to make it 8. Grandma owned that building from the late 40s till her death in 72. And here's the kicker to end this story, when my immediate family moved from Los Felix in 59 we moved to Sun Valley, then in 66 you guessed it we moved to Chatsworth, were living by Tampa and Plummer almost on the Northridge borderline, and about 6 miles from Spahn Ranch. As a young teenager we used to hike the hills above Chatsworth Park, and also across Topanga Canyon Blvd at a place called Stoney Point. Thanks again for bringing back these memories....
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 23 күн бұрын
@@franksantucci3038 I appreciate the insight. Very interesting. Thanks for watching
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 23 күн бұрын
@franksantucci3038 No problem. I appreciate your time. If you haven't the interview with Dennis Hearst, here it is in 4 part ... kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g7uneathz5i-hGg.htmlsi=s_UwGmHyXgeW3v0S
@franksantucci3038
@franksantucci3038 22 күн бұрын
​@@horror_2s My pleasure, I could also go on about the Chatsworth side of this story...
@franksantucci3038
@franksantucci3038 22 күн бұрын
​@horror_2s thanks for the links...
@TarheelTad64
@TarheelTad64 Жыл бұрын
I just subscribed your channel is great
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
Thank You!!!
@jackiejermeay6568
@jackiejermeay6568 2 ай бұрын
Very interesting😊Thank you😂❤
@kevinhensley4643
@kevinhensley4643 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video...
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
Thank You
@sinead187
@sinead187 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is excellent!!!
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the time!
@mattjarrells
@mattjarrells 2 жыл бұрын
The "g" i silent. It's BOO-LEE-OH-SEE
@aisle_of_view
@aisle_of_view 2 жыл бұрын
Despite the criticism of the Helter book, it's really well written and hard to put down.
@mattjarrells
@mattjarrells 2 жыл бұрын
I've never heard it criticized. Thought it was critically acclaimed.
@joealexandra7185
@joealexandra7185 Жыл бұрын
@@mattjarrells It's a good book if you take at face value Bugliosi's theory of "Helter Skelter" -- that the murders were solely the result of an impending race war, as imagined by a paranoid Charles Manson. But as the years go on, this fanciful motive is being discounted, and Bugliosi himself is coming to be regarded as a laughingstock for promoting it. Now, he did get the convictions, which to me is all that really matters, but as far as the Helter Skelter nonsense, I never bought it. The whole theory really got off the ground with the testimony (and subsequent book) by Paul Watkins -- but he was given a sweetheart deal in exchange for it. Linda Kasabian, who drove both nights, and should have received the death penalty, also got a deal. Bugliosi was a bit shady. But he won his case, so good on him. Nevertheless, and as interesting as a lot of it is, in recent years the book has come under scrutiny, and has generated a lot of criticism.
@jeromealexandre4162
@jeromealexandre4162 Жыл бұрын
It’s a fantasy .
@markdoucette5189
@markdoucette5189 4 ай бұрын
The house was very hot in summer because no air conditioning.
@belair344
@belair344 9 ай бұрын
My favorite podcast so sad
@DreDaDon16
@DreDaDon16 11 ай бұрын
The Manson Family would have died if they went to Lil Durks house
@FrankiesFancy
@FrankiesFancy 2 ай бұрын
A lot of people dont know that the LaBianca's daughter Susan had dated Tex Watson very close to the time that her mother and step father were "unalived". Years later, at one of Watson's parole hearings, she was outside the prison, advocating for his parole. All these years I've wondered if she had something to do with setting up Leno and her mothers death for insurance or revenge because she and her step father didn't get along well at all....
@FrankiesFancy
@FrankiesFancy Жыл бұрын
It was late August 8th, early 9th. You're a day ahead.
@June12Nine4
@June12Nine4 Жыл бұрын
Huh? Did you even listen to this guy, mate? Clearly he states late August 8th, but the murders took place after midnight. That makes it officially the 9th. Mate, he is not a day ahead. You mustn't comment as such when you are clearly wrong, mate. Cheers
@edcrowley3666
@edcrowley3666 6 ай бұрын
The Watson murders
@jude999
@jude999 Жыл бұрын
"See-Ay-Lo" Drive. Means "heaven" in Spanish.
@californiahiker9616
@californiahiker9616 Жыл бұрын
Ciel, French, sky.
@danielreyes6225
@danielreyes6225 6 ай бұрын
@californiahiker9616 In Spanish same, literally sky but also used or meant less literally as heavens or heavenly
@maryjaneblues7712
@maryjaneblues7712 Жыл бұрын
Serious question-Why didnt Sharon Tate hv air conditioning I wonder? It surely was invented by 1969..odd question I know but I always wonder when I hear it was hot that night.🤓
@horror_2s
@horror_2s Жыл бұрын
Yeah that's a good question. I don't know. Thanks for watching.
@shainaneidigh4269
@shainaneidigh4269 Жыл бұрын
I think because it's such a dry heat out west ac's aren't as prevalent. When I lived in Colorado in 2001 ac's weren't always in apartments. I lived in one that didn't have ac.
@rubygirl214
@rubygirl214 Жыл бұрын
I’m a local and to this day a lot of homes that are older don’t have it. It’s extremely expensive to put in and they were in a rental. Most houses in the San Fernando Valley (where I live) have it out of necessity since it gets so hot here. It’s a good 10 degrees cooler in the rest of LA.
@FrankiesFancy
@FrankiesFancy Жыл бұрын
I don't even think it was available for private homes in '69. It was more for industrial buildings like stores and banks because it took up a lot of space to install and was mind blowing expensive.
@danielreyes6225
@danielreyes6225 6 ай бұрын
In this area of LA above or north of Beverly Hills proper it is much cooler than central LA, with dense vegetation and hill and a the Ocean like 5 miles away you get cool mornings and chilly evenings, also AC wasn’t that prevalent, at least central AC. When we got it in the 70s it was kind of a thing . Concerning another poster this area and esp the specific property isn’t a “rental” area. This is a premier trophy property alway and stil today FYI
@user-bu7jl6zy5d
@user-bu7jl6zy5d 8 ай бұрын
Did they ever get an explanation as to whose steamer trunks those were and how and when they were delivered? Ditto the horn-rimmed glasses? Steven Parent wore glasses like that---maybe they belonged to him.
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. The glasses were never confirmed as to whose the owner. However they were not Steven's. The steamer trunks belonged to someone in the house. I think Sharon or Abigail.
@user-bu7jl6zy5d
@user-bu7jl6zy5d 8 ай бұрын
@@horror_2sI assumed the trunks were explained. The glasses present a small mystery. Thank you for the info.
@nancyarensdorf1503
@nancyarensdorf1503 6 ай бұрын
The steamer trunks were Sharon's.
@edcrowley3666
@edcrowley3666 6 ай бұрын
The glasses were left by a known person who went to the house some hours after Tex the Sole killer had left . The Trunks were also accounted for.
@paularyche
@paularyche 6 ай бұрын
​@@edcrowley3666what?? Tell me more who's glasses?
@lisabradford8180
@lisabradford8180 2 жыл бұрын
have i seen this already?🤔
@nicholasshade
@nicholasshade 2 жыл бұрын
Probably. I think I've seen it before.💚
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e Жыл бұрын
garretson wasnt murdered because he and patricia kerwinkle were roomates at one time before the manson murders
@edcrowley3666
@edcrowley3666 6 ай бұрын
Katie definitely knew him . Garretson saw the door handle turn, but Katie never attempted to enter the Guesthouse as she she knew he was inside .
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e 6 күн бұрын
@@edcrowley3666 isnt that scary? just to think about it how they were murdered? that gives me the creeps.
@nemodapimpfish
@nemodapimpfish 10 ай бұрын
Vincent's book is lol at best. Have alook at tom o Neil's book. Chaos.
@LOVEisBLUE-k9j
@LOVEisBLUE-k9j 5 ай бұрын
I've read people's comments on other channels questioning Chaos as well. It's hard to know what to believe.
@nancysullivan6827
@nancysullivan6827 11 ай бұрын
You’re basically just reading the book helter skelter. There’s more to the story. And a lot of misinformation.
@LamarJennings-eo8ps
@LamarJennings-eo8ps 6 күн бұрын
Debra Tate says that Sharon and her friends did not got to El Coyote but it's like how would she know if my point
@jackiejermeay6568
@jackiejermeay6568 2 ай бұрын
Junkies and teens. Bad combination and yes crazy Charlie! Bad combination.
@kenanacampora
@kenanacampora 27 күн бұрын
Cielo means heaven in Spanish.
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e Жыл бұрын
his book does not tell the full truth!! get the book the manson family more to the story by --- H. allegra lansing.. helther skelter not saying the truth guys!!
@cathygiuliana9089
@cathygiuliana9089 6 күн бұрын
Allie’s book tells it like it actually happened back in August 1969. Get the book, it’s all fact, no hype! Or just go to her channel and listen to her audiobooks. Either way, it’s all about Tate/LaBianca murders, the way they actually occurred! Hope this helps.
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e 6 күн бұрын
@@cathygiuliana9089 thank you!
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e
@JesusOnlyWay-d8e 6 күн бұрын
@@cathygiuliana9089 omgosh i looked up the book i am going to order it i love books that have alot of pages!! i have a book on the manson murders but this one look's interesting!!
@jeromealexandre4162
@jeromealexandre4162 Жыл бұрын
Get Manson: myth of an outlaw shaman . The only book that’s credible .
@SharonLetchford-gg3gz
@SharonLetchford-gg3gz 11 ай бұрын
This was one of the first podcasts I watched on the tate labianca murders , have had to return to it as I recall how captured I was by listening to it. Rip to all the victims.🙏🕊️💮🤍
@horror_2s
@horror_2s 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@RonaldKeith
@RonaldKeith 2 ай бұрын
Debra Rate wasn't 13 back in 1969 more like 16 or 17
@corvettefever360
@corvettefever360 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Helter Skelter is not the real truth. I'm at work now so I can't get into detail now, however I will make a few points later. Regardless there is quite alot straight proving the many inconsistencies. I also want to point out immediately that I am not some Charles Manson groupie, fan, excetera excetera. Nor am I saying he is 100-percent innocence and he just got setup. However from a legal standpoint and a few other standpoints oh, there is a lot of proving this all helter-skelter book was a shitshow. And I'm not talkin about it's my opinion, I'm talkin about actual videos, transcripts, police reports, etc etc etc. Also Vincent bugliosi was not a great person himself, and in fact was a real piece of s*** in life. Many don't even know that he has been arrested and charged with things such as domestic violence, threatening people, perjury, Miss handling trials, yeah there's a lot that most people have no clue even happened. I mean even his co-prosecutor Stephen Kay has Loosely made a lot of comments about it. Of course he's not going to just come out and say hey this and that, because it does not work like that, nor would it do anything helpful for his life. We can very much say this was his meal ticket and he took it to the furthest extent he could. Know what some people are going to say, the end Justified the means. However they don't! You cannot bend or break the law in pursuit of Justice. Because then you are just as bad as the criminals. Anyways I will elaborate more later
@mikeodonnell6799
@mikeodonnell6799 Жыл бұрын
Leslie Van Houtin is worth 15 million dollars, google it
@unknown-lf6zx
@unknown-lf6zx Ай бұрын
How? And she shouldn’t have been released! I’m disgusted they let her out. Travesty of justice!
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