Read MANSON IN HIS OWN WORDS by Nuell Emmons

Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, by Tom O'Neill. It took him about 20 years to complete this book. published in 2019.

@@mikeFM76 YES! People always ignore "Manson- In His Own Words", but I think it is the most honest and realistic account of the murders straight from the source himself.

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Esai😂

He could have sent all his family out for jobs, taken their paychecks and bought his own recording studio like Berry Gordy 😂

The LSD "mind control" experiments done on him, and all the get out of jail free cards are what allowed this to happen. He had been doing things for years and years, it was only a matter of time before it reached this point because he wasn't being punished for all of the crimes he was doing. In fact, he was being given some of the purest LSD to ever exist, for free. Massive amounts that you couldn't believe. I mean a single gram makes 100k REGULAR doses of LSD. In powder form that's like spilling a little salt, yet if a single human consumed it WHO KNOWS what would happen to them. It doesn't just kill you in massive doses, actually I don't know of too many overdoses from LSD. Maybe heart attacks and strokes, etc. My point being, without the authourities doing their "jobs", and him being given every upperhanded situation ever. I mean he was a terrible criminal, why was he not in prision LONG before this happened? Because they wanted him in "normal" society to see the effects and how he acted with other humans. They got their answer.

Spot on. I only knew Charlie as a diabolical maniac, who's only existence are known for being a carrier criminal, never know he was such a good musician who once get along and even collaborate a band like beach boys.

Very sad end. I think he felt guilty for having taken the creation of Manson toi the Beach Boys, who had a chance to produce it-- but it still was Manson's creation and he should have been given more for it.

As the story reaches the summer and fall of 1969, Lake’s recollections are conspicuously absent from the film. 🎥

Totally agree and as Jeff Guinn says in interviews and in his book on Manson which I highly recommend a must read! Manson was a problem as a child . He did have a no so great relationship with his mom but he had loving family that helped and even then he was always causing trouble and problems. He was passed around but it was Charlie who was the bad egg . He always caused trouble and always blames someone else never him and he was manipulative . He was a psychopath and Psychotic. Read the Guinn book and you will understand

The boogieman!

😂😂😂

weow

You aren't Steve Wolf perchance; former DM at Maryatt Industries?

No shit, that's actually a little horrifying.

The alleged 'A&R' guy was US Intelligence. You'd be surprised how much of what you thought was authentic artistic entertainment was social grooming by total frauds.

Those murders probably wouldn't have happened if his connections to Terry Melcher and Brian Wilson had led to a music career. But yes, he had spent more years in jail than out when he was released and moved to California. In fact he had told them not to let him out, that he could not function in society.

That’s like saying, “if Hitler were allowed into art school he wouldn’t have caused the holocaust”

…and flat-out, his music sucked. Perhaps if he had talent, he wouldn’t have caused a murder spree? F&@$ that guy AND his failed dreams.

@@lesleyboulant4053 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Brilliant

@@iolitelight I don’t think Charlie ever had a stable life and given his record he done petty crimes constantly and was always doing things to ruin himself, The same would apply even if he did become a musician he would of self destructed once again

No problem 😊

Agreed. I thought it was an issue with my audio until I came to the comments

I didnt mind, because after i heard the first couple.....man were they horrible

Automatically Muted for Copyright Issues (with certain songs). As this is a documentary, they should've got this taken care of but it's not a very easy process from what I hear.

Trademark infringement bud.

​@@waden404horrible??? Cmon man seriously? I think his music was actually pretty damn good.

RIP me and you. god bless.

Leslie Van Houten has been released , so justice has not been served .

....Aaaaaand????

@@user-tu6qz5iv8i i respect you answer but Leslie is still a convicted murderer and she originally got the death penalty. So that being said she and the rest of them should have never be allowed to have a parole hearing. Sharon Tate and her unborn son Cry from their grave for justice.

No kidding.lol only every single documentary about her says exact same thing..

Pet Sounds is a lot more than that. Listen.

I have and you are correct. The Beach boys were the first concert I ever saw early 1980s. Kennedy Stadium Central High School Bridgeport Connecticut.

*every time

You have really nice...eyes!

Well its important to keep in mind that Tarantino’s film wasn’t meant to be a documentary or bio pic about the Manson Family. It wasn’t even meant to be the core focus. It was somewhat of a subplot that was meant to be interwoven into the main plot of Rick and Cliff and the changing landscape of Hollywood at the time, with the added feature of a plot twist with a wish fulfillment for an alternate ending to a real life historical event. You didn’t have to grow up in California to be familiar with the Manson stuff. It was an international media story. But younger viewers would be less apt to be aware of it. Possibly Tarantino assumes those who are interested would seek out the history which is all over the internet and countless books and other movies and tv shows.

@@EastSide-qc5oy I’m not old enough to be aware of Manson as anyone who professed to being a neo Nazi by carving it into his head in prison. What this documentary does well is normalises how Manson got to that point through mental defect and how if he were treated more kindly by the music industry (where he eventually lost the plot) he could have been a different person. There are three types in terms of policing this out… “mad, bad and sad.” Charles Manson didn’t start out as mad. He’s a case where the system took a sad person chewed them out (in this case in the Hollywood machine) and made him mad (insane). I don’t think after watching this documentary that anyone could say Manson was a mad man from the beginning… maybe a little eccentric and a tiny bit utopian but not a mad man. It took the machine to make Manson truely mad. I think we created the Manson family and with all created madness (in the nurturing department) society is at least a little responsible for the result. I'm not romanticising what he became (probably from one to many LSD trips actually). I think behind every villain there is a story. I feel sad for the facts that no one intervened or showed him enough love. He clearly found a passion in prison the first few times with music. If you listen to the whole song he wrote that is featured in this movie: "Look at ya game girl" (it's on Spotify) There is something raw there (he crosses over boundaries, into the areas of Bob Dylan, mixed with Frank Sinatra, and The Eagles, off the top of my head) I come from a musical family. He has a talent for music that could have saved his life. Instead as per usual. The producers in Holywood made fun of him and he lashed out in the only way he knew how, by picking public figures and getting his cult family to kill them. That in itself is a sad story of degenerate madness... Charles Manson had a rare kind of "mystique" about him and he ruined it in his madness... If we dug around in the closets of any rock star at the time including the most softly of spoken Eric Clapton there is a little Charles Manson in him also. At this time Clapton would have been knocking shoulders with Jimmy Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, and Jimmy Page. That's how easy it is. Eric Clapton would have been shooting up copious amounts of drugs with his band members from Cream. That's what the song "Sunshine of your life" is actually about... the acid houses, acid rock, which eventually would lead to an entire genre called "acid house." I'm not apologising, I'm just stating what the music industry, and stardom continues to do to people. I can see exactly why growing up in a musical family in Australia with my dad who has played with everyone from the whose who, including Billy Joel and the Aztecs of Australian notoriety, met the guitarist from Cold Chisel and so on, exactly how this madness develops. I know many people like this... unfortunately it's usually the ones the machine spits out, and where they can't handle the pain of being a "reject." If I dig deeply enough I am three steps away from introducing you to everyone in Hollywood like Manson. Through Richard Norton, I could probably get you an introduction through Richard Norton (Mad Max Fury Road) to Chuck Norris. But I don't need to.... I have my own ways and I am now interested in sociology not rehashing the 1960s or the 1970s when it comes to music. My dad was a security guard, a sessions artist (played backing guitar with some of the best), and knew of how to get me introduced to practically anyone. But I don't live in the lime light of that old news. My family could introduce me to the entirety of the music industry because Richard Norton who trained as a security guard in Australia was bodyguard to Linda Rondstat and at one point Abba also, that's how Richard Norton got his name in Holywood. The thing is... He had enough talent as a stunt man alongside Jackie Chan, and Chuck Norris to cut out some what of a name for himself to make money... If you go down to the main strip of Holywood all of these people bump shoulders with each other all the time. To me it's almost on the level of the incestuous cesspit that is the British Royal Family (Hollywood that is), I don't want to go there... I just want to understand why. I've seen people like Manson thousands of times before in the industry. It just makes me sad that the machine chews out people with some kind of talent... again and again and again... I KNOW personally many talented "Manson's" who blew their own head off (metaphorically) with drugs. It's unfortunate that's what stardom and it's attraction does in the face of "the machine." Where this story ends is where new sounds people like Eric Clapton and Cream were creating... "where the sun never shines" in the white (injecting room). "Such a sad time at the station." Where these people's lives eventually fell apart trying to be another Manson... The white lights and black lights near the station, tired starlings, met together to shoot up drugs, take acid tabs, and try to be famous. "No strings attached right?" Cream - White Room.

Tarantino makes entertainment movies

I really wish that they would have made it very clear that 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' was a work of fiction. Edit: I suppose enough time has passed to call 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood' a historical fiction.

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was not meant to be a documentary. It was fiction based on real events.

YOU ARE A LIAR, THAT INVESTIGATION WENT NOWHERE FOR MONTHS

Kicked out for smoking weed? Sheesh sounds like your parents were overly strict.

@@MeeMee-gz5vp A different era.

I believe you,and you're story and I'm happy for you that you didn't get mixed up with that family of Killers

@@MeeMee-gz5vp do you kids REALLY think nothing happened before you were born That things have always been as fucked up as they are now. I m GLAD to be going to die BEFORE there s no more food or clean water

Ironically, his music was actually kind of beautiful 🤷🏼🤷🏼

He had talent. I liked one of his songs Look at Your Game Girl.

@@mardrettekemp7182 Hell ya! Look at your game, girl and home is where you're happy. Those 2 are my favorite

@@mardrettekemp7182 that isnt him singing it on the uploads now

I have a CD of Charlies Music. He had SOME game, but yeah, he needed a producer.

3 chores invented punk. Had Charlie waited a decade, he could've made a decent living. He would've been a little old to start, but I can see Johnny Rotten working with him. He was institutionalized. He couldn't go a decade without committing a crime.

I guess you would know. You say a lot of stupid shit.

Disagree here, without expertise. I heard him play diminished and augmented chords, and came by them in a way that links harmonically to the post war period jazz/pop like Woody Hermann and Bing Crosby. I suspect the girls narrowed his harmonic scope, and he abandoned previous structures. I'm gleaning from multiple documentaries and books that Charles Manson had written publishable music, lyrics and accompaniment in the late 50s/early 60s.

Pfft

What does that mean? More of Manson's bullsh-t.

@@John-tj4up no, you have tons to learn from your privileged position about homeless people.

Good perspective

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Yup!, all a person needs to do is listen to the interview of the people convicted of the murders to get the non BS truth about what really happened, it's mostly here on KZfaq.

@@davidgolden1726 CIA Poppycock is the Manson cover-up of a NATO Military bayonet attack. My Lai in Benedict Canyon on a Hollywood CIA porn set.

it's sorta from a different perspective but layered with the myth of Helter Skelter

@Juxtaposition Stories huh?

@Juxtaposition Stories adult whom, plus you make so sense at all, to you I bid adieu.

Very different. Removed from reality.

That's because they were both criminals. I wish Charlie had gotten out and visited the man's family.

EXACTLY. How a person goes from death penalty to walking the streets really can only happen in California.

Itdoesnt just happen in California ​@WilliamSmith-ex9et

​@@b.w.5003it was California and Newsom who let out van Houten.

They let out probably the least “worse” of the bunch (Van Houten already stabbed the victims when they were already dead). The worse (Atkins, Watson, Krenwinkel, Mansion) will never leave prison or already passed (Atkins and Mansion).

@@Bloopergrandson1 none of them should have gotten out

She wasn't that famous at the time.

@@wanderer299a no not really, I agree. But her husband was and I guarantee she was more famous then you and I would ever be. She was way above the average man and the media can make money off of that, in fact, they think "the more famous the better." And "she's as good as they can get" at the time.

He did kill himself, maybe not the people he was tried for but he was a killer

He didn't kill Sharon Tate

Thanks for your participation in taking blame away from Tex Watson.

And they've managed to poison the minds of a couple more generations.

You sound like Sandra good....

…and we’re your teachers, clergy, artists, writers and celebrities!😅

@DankBeans you’re an age bigot. And, we’re living longer than ever while your generation keeps finding new drugs to kill yourselves with! 🥱😊

....and they've destroyed American society

Same as Leary - on the payroll. They were all on some kind of spook shit chemical weapons program first run out of Mkultra thru the universities and prisons in the 1950s. Then they rolled it out in San Francisco in the 1960s. Strange, but true. Ted Kaczinski aka "Unabomber" incidentally was another participant (or victim).

@@tedpeterson1156 Yeah...I did in fact hear that about Ted K. A bit scary when you think about it. I"m going to assume, all this is a bit off base, that you have seen the original "Manchurian Candidate" with Sinatra ...correct?

Ya pure EVIL

He makes terrible kool aid

Sounds like IQ45. And his orange minions

That is not proven. It was written about in one guy's book. No one has ever corraborated that info.

Some hippies were con artists as well. Manson was both, and a murderer.

Exactly I been saying that for years

Check out the vid Charles Manson Superstar. That is even more interesting.

See how it s better to be a master of war

CDs are readily available.

I owned the same album. It was given to me. God 🤣 knows what happened to it

Record companies just trying to exploit the murders and fame of the weird ass cultists from 60s, it was a novelty recording

Because its fabricated- Biggest public frame up I'm aware of. Look up Tom O'Neill.

*@Miss Scarlet* "try to redeem"...??......You forgot to put that in between brackets too ?

DNA PLAYS A BIG ROLE IN AN ENVIRONMENT. HEALTH MATTERS TOO, RAISE HEALTHY CHILDREN!

Then write something witchy, just like Charlie said😘😘😘

He was obviously a psychopath....with the satanists at his ranch....I'm sure he was demonic in the end. Funny...no one mentions that. It had NOTHING to do with the hippie movement....quite the opposite! These types of people prey on the innocent!!

Standards today aren't very high. What can you expect?

"Pretty singing voice"? What happened to you?

@@John-tj4up not what your trying to insinuate. Just because something may have happened to you don’t mean it goes for everyone else, stop mirroring

@@BetaSimpDestroyer4LallWs mirroring? WTF are you talking about you assh-le? Keep your silly jargon to yourself.

@@BetaSimpDestroyer4LallWs@Bully -- I'm not insinuating. I'm telling you, pantywaist.

He was an MKULTRA experimentee while in federal prison.....ZERO chance of being a musician

Not a chance.

@@cynthiasmith6465 we’ll never know now will we

Alot of people got even further than he did, and still didn't end up with music careers.

You better be a female

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⁠@@roberto0561what difference does that make? 😂

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Look at your game girl IS a very good song. Gnr did a cover of it. I think Charlie had a good voice and he wrote good lyrics but his guitar playing sucked. But yeah i think he couldve made it as a famous musician.but then again we are all lucky that he wasnt more famous coz then his cult wouldve been wayyyyy bigger and they couldve killed more people.

Yèh ....."God's Own Country" two allowed political parties , both dancing to the pipes of the Pentagon , built on genocide of its original inhabitants , endless imperialist wars, propping up military regimes , serial killers galore.......Seems karma is about to present its ultimate bill. Dragging the rest of the world down with it.

Right

Your reply alone proved the point.

Homes would of been a psychedelic Rockstar 😅

Sociopaths are all scary. They're master manipulators and every cult leader and totalitarian dictator is either a narcissist or sociopath. They can screw up one person in a relationship or at work or screw up a whole country, like Putin is doing now. Narcissist and sociopaths are 10% of the population. I was married to a covert narcissist and it took its toll on me.

Amazing use of run-on sentences. I also guarantee you dont know even half of what this guy was involved in

@@Dom_721 Amazing use of apostrophes and periods.🤣

There are farrrrrr scarier men than him! Throughout history??! Omg. Even Jeffrey Dahmer can easily take that podium! I think Charles was a disturbed/broken man... That low quality of life, the drugs, the mindset,.... I've seen manyyyyy people get lost in life due to LSD for example. Their brains fry and basically they turn into monkeys. It was just bad decision after bad decision... I dabbled in that Hippie lifestyle and omg... If you take too much LSD... Your brain (and life) is going bye bye for sure. And if you add the parties, the raves,... That just piles up and boosts to the disaster that's going to happen. And yeah, when people reach that point... There isn't much they can do except crime, violence and all that stuff. Charles was deep deep in it. It actually seemed that Charles was trying to get out of that path... Doing music and all the things, he was moving! But he should've cut drastically that drug part. Sadly he didn't know better... As many other people to this day actually!

He was scary because he was a genius on the bad side of life.

You're an idiot

Yep ! THATS the true ! No manson ,no KILLINGS!!!

I doubt that...a leopard does not change its spots. He had it inside of him. Might not have been poor Sharon but def somebody else would have been victimized by this psycho some other time for some other reason.

Be a conspiracy analyst.

Tom O'Neill DID A very WELL researched book were he was able to get hold of a bunch of the declassified CIA files from MK-Ultras operation kaios and was able to PROVE that mansion was involved in the CIA and mk ultras mind control program which is also why mansion was able to stay out of jail after his last stint in and would always get released after he was in the program. He was taught how to control people like he did. and one really stunning thing Tom O'Neill was able to also find was a guy who was a CIA informant that was keeping an eye on the Manson family and hanging at the ranch who know about the state murder plot but had to stay silent and let it play out so he would not blow his cover as a CIA agent. The cia wanted Manson to get people to go on a murder spree so they could end the hippy and anti-war movement and it sure worked cause the Manson killings painted a bad picture to the public about all the "peace-loving hippies after the trials... if anyone is interested at all about the truth Tom O'Neill lays put a very well done case about all that was going on in the 60s "Tom O'Neill CHAOS: The Charles Manson, The CIA & The 60s" --->>> kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdGEgpZ2nZ-2eHk.html

If you dip toe in, might as well jump head first, because you're going to experience a bunch of nuts, but also legit rabbit holes, some you don't want to go down.

No, I'm sorry but you're mistaken no conspiracies. Charles was filled with a lifetime of pain, anger, loneliness growing up, abandonment and resentment all bottled up inside. He had the worst beginnings in life and endured extreme abuse both sexual and physical and he had to suffer this alone. His social skills were not as good as some might think but he was good at speaking due to all the books he read while in prison. He had a very short fuse and a deep need to be relevant as he felt he was unlovable due to his mother's abandonment of him. He didn't know how to resolve conflict because he was never shown and he didn't know how to handle anything negative . His reaction to anything that didn't go his way was to explode and not know how to channel his emotions. Things that most people can rationalize sent him over the top. It's no surprise he did the things he did growing up nor is it suprising he had such a deep anger/hate inside but he chose to fuel that anger and he chose to try and bring as many as he could into his world because he didn't want to be alone and he wanted to make sure it was known how much he had suffered unfairly and he also wanted others to feel pain as he did. No doubt he wasnt given a fair start in life but he still chose to do the things he did. He had no sympathy, empathy, or concern for anyone as he didn't know how and therefore he felt nothing for anything.. The story is tragic all the way around from beginning to end. He chose to facilitate and the others chose to follow. RIP victims.

Charlie wasn't so different than any other homosapiens. It's a very, very fine line. Society and its humanity is a thin veneer. Trust that.

@@jamesdeangelo8166 he was different there hasn’t been another him since he died & hopefully there will never be. Maybe you need to get yourself some help? You’re profile photo speaks volumes about you!

Ya think?

@@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door Unlike you, Charlie was NO PRETENDER.

@@jamesdeangelo8166 wca

That's literally most of us....

@@kevinnix5495 BULLS***, KEVIN. Most of us aren’t raging f***ing lunatics, broseph.

=Johnny Depp but the ignorant jury couldn't comprehend the reality of the scary effects of mixing drugs and alcohol.

@BAN EVERYTHING! How was his sexual prowess? Manson was said to lay that thang!

My brother was much like him. It became terrifying by the end of his life. I lived 48 years of hell with him. I hear some of the words and thoughts of Charlie, I hear my brother. Some people are just born different.They are highly intelligent, but use it for wrong. I watch these documentaries and compare the two. It's terrifying.

I agree 100% for 3 reasons: 1: He didn’t do the killing himself and organized it 2: he knew better than to mess with the black panther 3: He convinced ppl to eat food out of a dump. Crazy ppl like he tried to portray to be couldn’t accomplish any of that

Very bright man on wrong side what waist of his life

Removed because renewed copyright likely

Yeah, I don't know WTF his parole officer was smoking. Manson constantly and repeatedly violated the conditions of his parole, and yet his parole officer always got the charges dropped or ignored the violations. (Same with Susan Atkins' parole officer.) Why did it seem like Manson had an all-access pass to basically do whatever he wanted? It seems the parole officer is at least partially to blame for the murders.

You wouldn't know or remember this guys name would you, I would like to research this. Thanks in advance.

Is it Phil Phillips by chance.?

@@albertawheat6832 Joe Biden

@@royharper2003 Okay....sure,

Beginning to believe "Charles Manson & The Family' was a CIA operation. But what was the purpose? To smear the Hippy peace love & spirituality thing. Make communes look evil and dangerous. Hippes = dangerous anti socials. End the 60s? I feel like a herded sheep sometimes

🤣 Best comment ever. 🏆

@@leagueG5 he was HOMELESS. I don't think joking about that is

with this past, he was homeless, would you have made a decent accommodation?

@@AnnaLee33 I'm homeless too and joke about it. 😁

Glory years

They never did it with blks n other races either. Why would they do tht when, they suppose to be the bad guys?

M k ultra

Had the sixtys not happen, Charlie Would had ended back in the can again He was born to, jail hop The free sex, music, free living as the 60's unfolded. He exploited a timeloop hole With his lifetime jail skills and need to survive 🎯

You’re correct I don’t buy the conspiracy theories

Don t let him touch you. He hasn t washed his hands in 31 years. The girls too

Watch out, we got a badass over here.

@@alexsingleton907 Yeap. A badass that would drop that filthy hippie.

Write something witchy😘😘😘Just like Charlie said, hun😂👏👋😘

@William Smith Lots of New Information ?? Like What ??

@@Hanzey1966 like I didn’t know, Manson was trying to put a group together and they actually played a gig with the one guitarist.

I think it is a new perspective dove deeper into the music aspect. I've never seen a lot of these interviews from those who were there

@@tommoyer4697 yes it delves much deeper into the Dennis Wilson aspect on a rewatch I’m noticing that.

*an uncle

His grandmother and numerous other relatives were not abusive and uncaring. Even Charlie admits, his grandmother was an honest, Christian woman

@@emmabovary1228 yes she was the only one that was good to him but he wasnt around her for long.

Yeah, he was shuffled around various relatives while his mother was in prison. Maybe some of them were ok, but the uncle was said to be physically and emotionally abusive, forcing him to go to school dressed as a girl.

Tex got word a drug shipment was being delivered to the Tate house from his mobbed up old pot suppliers at the vending machine company and he was going to steal the drugs, money or both so Charlie could get Bobby out of jail for the Hinman murder. Charlie was paranoid Bobby would rat him out.

@@thebangkokconnection4080 amazing insigth, never knew these connections, thx

That's what Master manipulators do, basically he was trolling the establishment because of how they treated him as a youth, and early adult. He spent more time in jail than free

He was an alleged member of the Process Church. Which was an offshoot of the Church of scientology. Research the process church and align the doctrine with his philosophy. The parallels are crazy. He was under some sort of mind control. Just my opinion

He was secretly Roman Polanski's power bottom sidepiece. He grew more jealous of Sharon and exacted his revenge. It's nothing but a jilted lover story of revenge.

@@shable1436he deserved any year of that

YEAH HE DID. A $100.00 CHECK N HE GOT 10 YRS. (SORRY ALL CAPS AS IAM LEGALLY BLIND)

Correct. Manson was incarcerated several times over minor offenses.

Yep. Unlistenable

A paedophile too......

You can t save em all

That doesn’t change the fact that he wrote and sang.

He wrote and sang on a whole album that came out in 1970 amidst the trials could you imagine..

The law in California says.... If you participate in the crime you are guilty too.... Thats why he died in prison

@@pleun315 conspiracy

The prosecution established in court that he was the leader and mastermind.

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Non-murderer? What about Shorty? He tied LaBianca up to be murdered.....murder was his intention. Same with Hinman. Same with Lottsapoppa (luckily he lived)....non-murderer???

I can't imagine Charlie bothering to sign the documents and deal with all the lawyers and such to actually make that legit.

His version of "Invisible Tears" is great!

Compensated for a song? He stole from Dennis Wilson, used his home, wrecked his car, ate his food, etc. I think he was more than compensated for a song that was marginally ok at best.

BeachBoys gave him 200k for "Cease to Exist."

Robert Hunter was a lyricist, not a song writer. Manson was a below average singer, musician, and songwriter, so he never would have made it in the business. He couldn’t have been just a songwriter because his lyrics were abysmal and his songs were mostly atrocities. He had very little musical talent.

@@kieransoregaard-utt8 Well there's no accounting for taste, as the saying goes. He had several opportunities to record and was recommended by a few heavyweights in the biz. The problem was, he was described as "unproduceable".

@@kieransoregaard-utt8 Sounds like he had all the qualities it takes to be a stellar success in the music business today, he just missed the right time for below average singers, musicians and songwriters...he should have waited 20 more years.

@@chipmusick682 False. It’s even harder to make it in the music business now, even though the music is far worse. He would have had even less of a chance now because the scene is so over saturated with people.

@@kieransoregaard-utt8 Thank you for your 2 cents worth...your change is in the mail!