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As a survival main, it’s nice to see a class like unholy get some love in the S tier and frost in the A tier. But it’s so painful playing (one of) the worst specs in the game time and time again. I agree with sentinel being not a good fit at all for survival. They could have given us something like “shadow hunter” or even something that does bombs and turrets. But nope, survival is probably the most hated or unloved by blizz and it’s so unclear as to why.

Survival: D for Despair

Hunter in general needs a rework. They have been going in the right direction with Beast Master. Marksmen needs to be the giga dps spec if you go without a pet. Survival needs to be gutted and rebuilt from the ground up.

As a survival player, I will survive(because I’m survival)

survival and enhance get absolutely pissed on all the time.

Hello, didn't finish the video yet but I can already say as usual it's amazing to have gameplay of the classes on same time you're talking about it. Thanks for the good work ! Now I have a small question, what race was the rogue when you presented assasination because movement looked really sick ! :D Thanks again, Rascarkapac

Thank you for videos bro, keep it up!

Cant wait for the rest of the lists :-)

Very good job guys!

Overall I really love the dk changes and the way frost plays in the beta, been blasting through the questline with him so I totally inderstand the s and a tier on both specs (even though I would place frost s tier because of how much it has changed and just feels powerful now compared to live). Assassination felt great for me, but indeed the hero spec isn’t a big wow factor, I won’t be maining rogue even though it has always been kind of my main. Outlaw felt meh but no surprises there, I really want to go back to combat rogue sword spec,… Anyhow I totally agree on the tier list, nice one!

Damn you been catching some sun? You're glowing! Nice tan man!👀

I'm super sick of Primordial Wave...

4 of my favorite classes spread between S and A tier. What a time TWW is going to be 💪🏼

Finally Frost DK getting some love

unholy main here baby going to have a good time!

Very happy to hear about WW.

Can't wait for a ranged spec tier list, gotta see just how low the Hunter gets... After maining a hunter since MoP, maybe it's really time for a reroll...

Feral seems pretty good rn honestly. Been a feral main since cata

as a ww main since mop i ve been when it was at its worst and at its best, man i want to play war within so bad after watching so many videos of it

I've been playing a lot of WIndwalker on the beta, and it truly feels disgusting how powerful you feel now. There's not a single button that feels unrewarding to press, and every cooldown you have is powerful as hell

in the war within, is duel wield or two hander looking better to play? Ive personally always prefered 2h so thought i'd ask for people to answer.

Looking forward to healing, tank and ranged dps list

Herald of the sun felt sooooo fun, and felt powerful! Loved it! Templar was cool too but I feel like Herald jsut felt smoother felt more damagey lol!

The nice thing about druids in general is that their stat priority of each spec all kind of line up around haste & crit, which means you can play every spec in mostly the same gear with really only needing to keep backup trinks for the most part. So the class multi spec play I feel has the most to offer because their ilvl scaling gives you the widest freedom to tank, heal, melee/stealth and range. Giving it the widest end game flexibility. Especially if you just want to focus on a single character. You are never locked into a play style. Unlike rogue where if you want to heal you have to have an alt, or shaman where if you want to tank you have to have an alt, or ret pally, if you want range you have to have an alt ect. So I'm not as mad at the feral changes as some others, because while it may not be the most fun changes or most powerful, it is still fun enough in the context of the class over all. And I would say the over all changes seem to be in line with each other for the class. As a druid the things I want is more form mogs and I wouldn't mind having better animations on some of the cat abilities. When you think about where feral sits compared to actual rogues it actually makes that mid teir rating kind of Op.

Might give melee a chance next szn. Maybe time to get my frost dk out of dust? 😏

My biggest gripe with frost dk is the oblit window in aoe is desperately rune starved.. between using remorseless winter, reapers mark, death and decay, and using oblit you have zero runes for the following oblit unless frost strike resets runes so your window loses damage completely

This came just a few days too early for the Survival Hunter rework, which looks pretty good!

Ive always liked the play style of feral but the fact that any of the decent looking cat forms are locked behind legion content and you cant even get alot of them anymore is a real issue at this point they should just give feral druids all the skins considring they dont get the benafit of any transmog

I feel no class should have an arena ability to stand in to do more/max damage. Theres too many ground mechanics that are barely visible, and happen so often especially in high content

Seems like I’ll be returning to my first main: retry pally

What are the over/under odds Marc rerolls WW for this expansion

in behalf of monk windwalker i would like to see people putting 2 new abilitys from diablo 3 monk class! Exploding Palm *making the targets we (tigerpalm) under 50% HP mark them with exploding palm, when the target reach 5% HP they should explode in nature damage. and the other ability would had being *Seven Palm Strikes* (where the monk goes inside a small cocoon and does a (ghost blade dance) striking 5 targets for 2.5% their HP per hit, maximum hits 10 strikes. now talking about the melee ranks in M+ 1- Retri paladin 2- Demon Hunter 3- WW monk 4- Shaman 5- feral druid (between shaman and feral both super close) 6- Unholy DK 7- frost DK 8- Assassination rogue very close to Outlaw and i would put both warrior speccs with survival hunter! Warrior class is to slow, arms is way to weak in terms of viable talents, damage wise to weak and very slow to burst up, still rage starve specc, none of the hero talents makes sense, the slayer is a desgrace of hero talents and such a waste and lack of class fantasy when they give you to much class/talents for execute plus the hero talents for execute and mortal strike still hit harder than execute. Colosus is way to slow in terms of building stacks and the hero class ability is to slow to use even with 25% haste, the class/specc will ask to be feed much more haste then 30%. Now when it comes to fury we have to much rage to use while we only have 1 rage waster, to much CDs that you cant even put in macros together, the class fantasy is to weak should being a Berzerker . giving us a fantasy based in huge weapons and making warrior class to do atleast x2 the damage of every dps in the game! sense warrior class dont bring any useful utility to the team besides Raw damage. Warrior class should had a Bloodlust/Hero talent for being the only plate in the game to have it! may be it will give warriors much more love to be selected into M+ in the ghost weeks that ask for CC or dispels! make it official for warrior class to have a Lust and name it *Last Cry*

Dunno how tuning will go, but right now Rider of the Apocalypse is easily outdpsing San’Layn, especially with the tier set that gives haste for every minion summoned. Wait, what? They did give us mounted combat outside.

Im excited to have the best class and the best set! Monk time baby

I'm torn between ret and ww monk right now.. I would have to see what things look like before live. But.. Machine gun kick lol.

I would love to see survival just changed to a dragoon just spear type abilitys and bleeds. Or change it to trapper spec where you have traps and spiked ground.

oooo yes time for me as main monk to shineee:D

When you talk about assassination, they shoudl totally be able to destroy a Single Target or give them killing blow like a monks Death touch

what is gonna be your main?

I am happy for dk, I main frost dk because i love the story behind it and arthas etc. but i was always frustrating how weak it is

So my 3 DF mains are in S tier ? How am i supposed to choose one ? 😅

idk Dragon flight WW Monk seemed simple the new one seems slow and complicated but maybe once it goes live and they tuned things the energy starvation will be gone after pressing tiger palm twice who knows. My testing was with both pve tier set and 626 pvp gear in both types haste vers and vers mastery and the haste just wasn't enough to make a dent in the energy regen that the spec needs. as for Outlaw rogue it will be better once they fix the bugs to specific abilities not working such as Killing Spree only using 1 CP etc even at 7CP.

For assassination rogue: Hero talents : D tier Spec tree: A tier

Cool looks like the same tier list ive seen forever now lmao, ret and pally still getting their shining glory in yet ANOTHER expansion 😃😃😃

Monk and specifically WW will always be my fav class. Doesn't matter if it's top tier or trash tier. Ppl should play the class they enjoy, not the current meta.

Sin rogues always get the shafty shaft

that feeling when survival is getting reworked next week :x

What are those green swings coming from DK?

Well 4 years of Unholy ahead of Frost

Unholy DK is almost perfect, all it really needs is that the 2 talent points get trimmed down to 1 talent point and Ruptured Viscera/Pestilence/Vile Contagion need to be replaced with something better, also Raise Abomination need to be a separate CD so you can both use Army and Abom.

I wish they would start it improving the skill animations for some of the older classes. The newer classes have much better skill animations. To me that’s what I start to enjoy how a class plays

When will healer tier list come

Ret is looking good so far

Its time for t list range dps ^^

My dudes where is the outro in the videos. When i have this on in the gym. I nvr realise when the video is over. Did you make changes in editing?

bro can u make a video about range dps?

same animations and rotations since Legion, it's like they just gave up...

But thats just for PvE right? So in PvP Survival is triple S Demon Lord Dragon Level

Im pretty excited for my arms warrior and enhancement shaman. But have to Agree survival hunter seems so meh now

Im a rogue main. I am so sad. I feel no difference from retail. I am very upset about this. Mage and Lock are completely different. It is so stupid that some classes are left on the sidelines ;(

When are we going to have an expansion where the specs that have been hanging on B tier lor below finaly become an S class for once

Assassination Rogue.. Always the worst spec 🙁 i will main it anyway. Another awsome vídeo. Keep it up!

Make Breath of SindraGOD, 30 sec cd. Let me play dual weild!

I`ve been posting on blizz forums for like 3 years - begging for a DK rework - Finally happend. Yea, i am a one class andy player. I play only DK since WOD - alternating to MM hunter in legion cuz who doesnt love to use sidewinders/barrage pulling everything. Finally i wont have 14 buttons opener anymore - finally i wont be forced to press 14 buttons in a specific order just to deal the same dmg a DH with eyebeam does.

If this turns out to be accurate ooooh man... I miss my Dk I dropped maining him since they went to shit I was hoping they gonna do something to make em great again and I hope this is the day we return to glory as fearsome dark warriors of death.

Windwalker MAIN let’s go!

lol I got a kick out of the close up editing.

Interesting. I may hage to try unholy.

he says unholy doesnt have mounted combat several times, but they definitely do with RotA...

all nice but lets be real whast chance for mage Sp Aug meta again again and again

No more Shadow Dance as Outlaw but 2 Vanish? Holy crap! That means leveling will be oldschool again but in Dungeons and Raids I can reset my CD of Vanish while I am using Vanish? Great :D

I’d like them to remove crackshot from outlaw honestly. Outlaws fantasy is a swashbuckler, it isn’t subtlety with swords and a gun. Crackshot makes it subtlety with swords and a gun. I came back after stopping in Season 1, tried to play my rogue and absolutely hated it. I want to like it, I want to want to play my rogue but I just don’t. It’s a shame.

Survival new mastery rework is going to put it at at least a B for sure. Its pumping as of now.

Blizzard: Eww I stepped in shit… *lifts up foot* *see’s survival hunter*

hey hey hey theres a hunter rework now

People do like tier lists, don't they? :) Thank you.

Ret pally forever, baby !

Great, another expansion where Ret will lead the boards and top the charts

22:01 mounted combat would be so easy to fix. Just reduce the movement boost indoors to like 15%..monks, dhs, rogues will still be faster than you

Unholy DK is going to get slaughtered with nerfs 😂

i was told survival hunter was s tier insane dmg

Monk mobility will be the first thing nerfed for pvp 🙂

Ret tier S? Who would guess...

I wish they'd remove primordial wave from shamans. It's such a weird spell to play with.

Can you do a video of fun dps tier list ? Great video btw !

Next time u should create tier lists after trailer:)

Feral - druid of the claw being lame makes my heart sad.

i wished they made warriors more flashy :(

Fixing survival means to bring it back to range spec as it was time before

As an assassin and sub main, im fking worried for tww.

i am ret paladin nd its ok but dks re insane gd right now

I’m sad that fury lost annihilator 😢 don’t like to play it bcs of that! I’ll try sunfury fire mage instead

as long as I can play oblit and death bringer on frost dk, and frost scythe is worth using again, as well as not having to deal with dnd for aoe on frost.. then that's a 100% win for me. never cared for breath I find it boring to use even when it does insane damage, sadly most groups wont play around ur breath windows anyway. they should just remove it. unholy dk is sounding meh if the soar build become the aoe go to, I would rather them remove the soars from the class entirely and replace it with a necrotic dot that spreads and gets stronger when you use scourge strike, which would fit the melee dot/pet playstyle unholy dk should be. Paladin is definitly going to continue to be my main of mains since shadowlands Both hero tree sounds and look fun!, but frost dk and havoc are also my mains so I'm excite for Tww

If you would've said in shadowlands ret was s tier in DF I would've laughed

Enh still suffer from insane button bloat imho. I just don't like primordial wave, and I don't get why they have so many spenders. Like ret, they should have a mno target and a multi target and done that's it, gameplay identity is utility totems. I really think enh shaman suffer from being like ret pal in the idea but weirdly complex, less fun, visually confusing (just make it all thunder OR fire/earth) and squishy

wasnt there a 2nd guy as well? what happened?

*smiles in Ret main with a WW alt

sad to see outlaw fall 😓

UDK seems pretty mid for all of DF, should we expect B tier or better in terms of dps?