It's funny because Seth really doesn't matter in this plot at all, he's only present in these big meetings because he's part of the Risk Management Department. As such not knowing who he is makes perfect sense because he's a very small fish being thrown into a very large shark tank and he gets eaten. At the end Sam asks the CEO whether he's going to fire Sullivan and it's like he's asking a shark if he's going to eat a fish. Luckily Sullivan "The Rocket Scientist" is still useful.

It was "understood" Don't know what else you need to know

Which department does ramesh work in

MrCommenterx upstairs that’s all you need to know 😂

@@DerekWong967 He's from upstairs. Sounds important

@@Chris-is1rd Upstairs is the call center.

Like someone wrote. If spock , and lex Luther and vision couldn't see this coming who can ?

😂

KAAHHHNNNN?!

lmao

@@ralphpal Well, they were almost opposed by G.I. Jane, though everyone in the company worked for Scar.

I love how he instantly looks at Sarah. It's like he just knows that it's her calling card.

It's the constant as the bad news gets passed up the chain of command. A lot of info gets cut down and made succinct, and the relaying of the problem became more impersonal overtime (they stopped mentioning Eric saying "be careful" by the team the news reached Sam) but the one constant is everyone being fucking OVER it when told that they cut off Eric's phone

@@DarrenBates Pretty sure she is Dales direct superior, he works in rick management and she is head of risk management, thus the choice to fire him was almost certainly hers. The camera consistently switches to her looking uncomfortable throughout the movie when his name is brought up lol.

@@PumpkinHoard of course she fired him. she wants the money to roll and he was actually doing his job and found the dumpster fire that was ready to go off.

Well sure, they all knew the Company Blowjob took the opportunity of the mass layoff to get rid of a thorn in her paw.

hahaha, pretty smart

Nice reading, man. I realized the same when watching the movie yesterday. I saw the same thing happening during my career and got the chills.

Not exactly....Demi dropped the ball. Mentioning in passing doesn't cut it. She should have presented it to management as one would explain it to a Golden Retriever. The new kid was able to make them understand it. Demi should have worked with Eric to fully grasp the impending problem so she could properly convey it to upper management who were strategists not numbers crunchers.

@joseph sanchez No, Jared doesn't get fired. He was the genius that came up with the original money-making scheme and, again, in a few hours he assesses the problem, devises and implements the scheme to dump their undesirable holdings and is again the hero. 'All' were not blind; Eric had been monitoring the situation since last year; a situation that was still evolving because of the changing VAR numbers and he was still working on it when they pulled him away from his desk to fire him. Eric was doing his job monitoring the evolving risk, but his boss, Sara, didn't have a clue and she was the Director of the Risk Management Dept.

Excellent. Thanks

ooooooh kay then. You sound like someone who accepts they will die a virgin

I love this movie to but youre just peddling bullshit at this point

You're so right. In an earlier scene, where Sam first returns to the office at Will's behest, there's a quick close-up shot of the back of Will's head, and his hand is shown ever so slightly quivering before he has to drop the bad news on Sam. Just frame after frame of cinematic excellence.

Calm down holy hell

@@jeffford2909 Who are you telling to calm down

EXACTLY

100%

100% agree. It's tense also, almost like a horror movie.

@Harold Paulle I'm not implying that at all. I'd explain but I fear it would go over your head.

It's a bit like Moneyball. Potentially boring material but done really really well.

Truly! The point where he suddenly raises his voice at Sam - absolutely brilliant. Simon Baker, Jeremy Irons and Paul Bettany completely carried this movie, with just their presence and nuances.

Sudden raise and immediate suppression of voice.

I feel it has also a lot to do with the character he is impersonating (Jared) who we is one of the top dogs and we undertsand that it is because he thinks faster than all others... This is what is fascinating in this movie : lots of clever-smart, above average IQ brains but the leaders of the pack are the one thinking and deciding the fastest, understanding things people and situations from mere signals... Probably because also combining experience + gut feelings + emotional intelligence and killer instinct...

​@SOui Ung Very true and very well articulated. All the principal actors are at the top of their game and, yes, brilliant. Simon Baker should get more leading roles than he does, and why is that exactly?

​@@souiung9651 very much agree. It also shows why Sam has remained in mid management as he is unable to see the big picture, when he asks "do you understand what that means" it's clear Jared has a very good grasp of the wider implications while Sam cannot see past business as usual.

But bar! It was cool. Truly detective.

there's one piece of music, Chopin's prelude called "raindrops", in the scene of the empty dark office with screens flicking, for what's about the come down, very classy

I'd give prop to costume and make-up too... that gaudy golden ring and obvious fake tan the big boss has and the "rocket scientist" doesn't, and then Spacey's character is an in-between gaudy and useful. great characterization though costume and makeup for all. also great face casting, the accounting lady has a great resting bitch face bureaucrat, fits so well.

Great post

Plenty of music in this movie.

Not on Wall Street

yes, and without wall street they'd be getting paid even less

the problem was getting these really smart guys to work an wall street. They invented systems that no one could understand, not even their line managers. Without anyone understanding it there was no monitoring of it and no easy fix.

Fuck me...

You are paid based on the money you bring in. Analysts don't bring in money, sales does.

Or pretty much anyone who's spent more than a couple of months in the big firms (Goldman Sachs & co). At least in my experience. Normal people would turn into raging assholes in a matter of week.

Spot on Svresh. As someone who has been a corporate slave my whole working career, this movie is amazing at capturing a realistic work place with people that hate each other's guts.

She is one of the major reasons they are in this crisis

Also the relationship between front office and back office

@The Last H There's a saying: Type A's hire Type A's; Type B's hire B's and C's.

March 2020...

Actually, it was Jared who said "Sell it all. Today." when asked by John what he would do.

@@phishbill Yes but that conclusion was already reached. Tuld *needed* someone else to say that.

@@kereminde You know this how? Tuld was looking for solutions...

That is why Jared is in charge of operations. He may not be a good trader him self but he damn sure knows how to make money and minimize loses.

@@Huyle18 I got the impression that Tuld liked him, saw something in him and mentored him and Jared took everything that Tuld told him to heart. He was basically being groomed to be the next CEO when Tuld eventually stepped down.

I couldn't agree more, and perfectly cast.

@@BixbysDad Also, during the final meeting, Tuld told Jared this: I think he first said “Remember the first day you stepped into my office? There are three ways to make a living in this business: be first; be smarter; or cheat. Now, I don't cheat. And although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first. And that’s when Jared said “Sell it all.” It wasn’t cheating. They had tons of smart people in the building, including a rocket scientist and supposedly Tuld was smarter than the rocket scientist anyway and they had already figured out the “problem”. The next step was what to do about it and they were first to dump their garbage and it worked out for their firm.

I think they were not suprised by this outcome. They knew theye were taking risk it just came earlier and more suddenly than they were expecting it.

Preach brother

Pass on 4.

@@VisualAFMedia That might be the the most chilling of them all because Ron absolutely nails what's going on and what the inevitable fallout will be years in advance.

@@VisualAFMedia Yeah that's the best one

Nice

It's interesting that you said "it's hard to believe we're watching an actor"....the best definition I ever heard of 'acting' is "living truthfully under imaginary circumstances". This is the epitome if that.

it's among the best for sure. off the top of my head, Social Network or Glengarry Glen Ross belong in this class too.

I would add Succession to the list. But this is crisper and more focused being a more defined topic.

Yes. Yes. Yes... and Yes.

i would also like to add to this list Sexy Beast. Ben Kingsley does some amazing acting in that film.

this movie isna pain in the ass for non English speaker need rewind several times on several scenes to get their meaning LOL

Todd Beuckens Seasoned Pros!💥☄️👏✌️

Todd Beuckens Demi was the weak link in a room full of amazing actors; she was out of her league.

The scene is supposed to convey that the CRO (Demi) was the weakest link in the management chain. She fired Dale, a subordinate who had an idea of the trouble coming. It is implied that Dale was fired due to a interpersonal conflict between the CRO and Dale. In addition Sam (Spacey) warned the CRO about potential issues. The CRO also knows this is going to come down on her. As an actress I think she nailed it.

Yes, but the idea is that a CRO is considered a wet blanket and a party pooper when things are booming and they are making money hand over fist. Not only does she realize that this is going to come down on her, the head guy (Jeremy Irons) later on tells her she is going to be the sacrificial lamb that gets thrown to the wolves The other thing I found interesting is that the high IQ 'rocket scientist' is just a drudge looking at screens all day. But the higher up the pyramid one goes, the less people know about the day-to-day operations, and the more they show political leadership skills. When the CEO (Jeremy Irons) asks to have the situation explained to him, he says 'talk to me like you would a five-year old', but he knows exactly how to handle the situation and manage everybody in the room, making the tough choices and coming out smelling like a rose in the end.

This movie and this scene is incredibly powerful and meaningful. You can see the clear disdain that Sam has for the big guy, probably stemming from resent towards a kid that probably used connections and a brand new degree to get where he is.

This is some of Demi Moore's best work. Her subtle facial reactions as all this information comes out, you can see that she knows she's F'd.

@@toddgaak422 💯 underrated performance from her! Some will say she was boring but she absolutely nailed it! The entire time…she knew she was going to be thrown under the bus by both Tuld and Jared. Just subtle and reserved about everything as she should be knowing this.

Do you have a time stamp for that specific moment? Edit: nevermind, I found it in response to the question at 3:35

It's a little thing, but I love his little head movements and pause before delivering "What"

So good

Do you mean Jared Cohen?

@@aggiefiji2816 yeah thanks

Ar 3:45, he excuses himself... he perhaps went to call his boss

@@nv3796 yes thats what I mean

It's implied Eric Dale already went to Sarah Robertson with this problem, and he got fired because he knew it would all come crashing down. Which means that everyone except the Seth & Peter (and maybe Will?) already knew.

Who? Anyway Heath Ledger is very good here.

@@ptbot3294 Simon Baker is the blond guy.

Good call. He's fantastic in this movie and goes toe to toe with Spacey, Irons, Bettany in scene after scene.

I dunno, I look at him and still see Patrick Jane. That's not meant to be a knock against his acting here - it's damn fine.

I think his role as Patrick Jane (investigator) was much more complex in that drama

Well given how short of time he needed to make his call, his comment at the end before setting the others off to look over the data and the comment "we talked about it before" he simply was moving on a plan that he and his boss knew might come about. That call could have been as short as two words, "it happened" or similar. Remember how some people knew what was going on but what it was was not being discussed. Eric Dale likely got picked up searching numbers they didn't want reviewed.

Sam and Jared both say "Fuck.you" to each other which in most jobs would get you fired but its great here how noone takes it personal due the immense pressure they are under.

whats amazing is America bailed out the criminals instead of hanging them all. American taxpayers were robbed to bail out a predatory corrupt system.

I'd love to hear more. I was working then, but not in those rooms. The Big Short mentioned one participant feeling like he was looking over into the abyss. Did you feel anything like that?

Apathetic Criminals in suits.

No you were not.

Well, in 2024, something is going to break, I hope it is not the US and its alliance. Fed could raise one more hike.

I saw this movie a few years ago and whenever someone makes a foolish suggestion I find myself saying it the same way

I expected Samuel L. Jackson to reply.

Yes. Great dramatization of a difficult subject.

@Keaos0 if u have not watched it you should, especially if you market experience...it is superb. ps......fook me!

Agree. I LOVE this movie -- and it has to be mostly for the acting. These people were awesome.

Except demi moore. Why does she have a smirk on her face in this scene? Did she take acting classes with jerry seinfeld?

@@GetMeThere1 Totally agree except for the Indian actor who seems miscast and out of his depth among this stellar talent

That's the guy that will make you do something you know is wrong, then chop you off at the knees when it goes sideways. Watch the whole movie

@@kingRukus39 I'm sorry, we have to let you go.

"value job security" ahh, no, I think you may have misjudged his priorities. Jared is a killer. He has zero hesitation throwing his staff under the bus. If you're hiking with him and see a bear, he'll be slicing your Achilles' tendon before you finish asking if it's coming this way

@@wasserperson I meant he is good for the company, and for employees that bring value to the company 😊

@@dsjoakim35 I mean spoiler alert dude but the film ends with everyone getting fired because they kept cutting and ignoring their risk management department

@Katallani de Albania Lol !

He conveys profound things with a single look. The way he looks at Peter after learning about his background - Valuable future asset. The way he increasingly glances at Sarah - "Ok you're done here".

Real boss

He was AMAZING in The Mentalist. Wish he got more work!

His "Oh- thank you for that. WHAT TIME IS IT?" cracks me up every time. Absolutely flawless delivery.

John Tuld 'advanced' his man on the matter : "Carmelo ?" "Yes ?" "Get me Eric Dale here by six-thirty !" "It's done !"

The more I see this film the more unbelievably interesting the line reads are, particularly in the conference scenes. It's like listening to 21st century Shakespeare.

"What time is it?" "2.15." "Fuck me. Fuck. Me. And I'm guessing by the fact that the two of you haven't said anything, that the math checks out." "Look, we need some time to go over this, but it sounds like Peter seems like he knows what he's doing, so would appear we have problem." "Oh. Thank you for that. What time is it." "2.16" "Fuck me. Fuck me."

Not everybody can afford a "Carmelo".

Notice how nervous he looks in the scene with Tuld.

Does everyone make at least half a mil and up?

And ți ne realistic, they knew without an rocker scientist what was going to happen

Really? Because I was a very high level banker at MadeBelieve Banking & Co and this guys are just clowns in suits

@@aerohk Yes, starting from your 6th year.

It isn't what happened. Nobody dumped the holdings in a panic. The crash in mortgage derivatives took a year, not a day. But yes, the characters are perfect. Nothing else set in the industry feels anything like as realistic. The people, the conversations, the working relationships are just like real life. I was a software developer working for the London-based risk managers at Bear when it blew up. (This account is not my real name). I wasn't one of these people, but I worked with them. It's a brilliant movie.

Crazy thing is it is the same meeting over and over but with additional people that need it explained.

@@kenbeech4940 I've been in meetings like that. Its almost like convincing people there is a problem. It was ignored until it was WAY too late...

@@blacksheep25251 Wow, sounds like it's pretty intense working at McDonalds!

@@thert.hon.thelordnicholson7261 Oh, its terrible. Sorry we denied your application.. Work experience requires a little more then fluffing sailors down at the pier...

Many people don't know how to tell time unless they have a digital watch/clock.

it implies the stress he is being going through and about informing the ''matter'' to the big boss

I totally understand why . If you see those fancy watch some only have 4 number on them . 3 , 6 ,9 and 12 no number in between that why it harf to tell time.

@@danny90099 all you need are 12 indexes on a watch and you can tell the time, assuming the wearer can count to 12.

@@danny90099 nop. Thats not what the scene means. Cmon, he aint that idiot who cant even read time.

not to mention the fact that he himself has a watch worth more than a fraction of my annual income on his own wrist

I'd bet $100 that was improved too.

Martin Páleník locked in.

I always thought that it showed that his character has little to no patience and if anything is mocking this character. He can’t sit still for less than a minute about a problem that is about to tear the whole world economy apart and he storms out the room when he’s confronted about VAR numbers lol. It perfectly goes to show you how childish the board of directors really are, even when it shows Peter and Seth reaction and they look like they’re thinking “this is the guy who’s managing the whole firm and makes more than me!”

@@tuwheratiaihaka2744 On the contrary. If you watch closely, Jared mentioned that he had talked about this before with Ms Robertson and that he knew all time along how critical the situation has become. That's why he said 1 and 1 no longer makes 2. Also Sam and Ms Robertson had talked about it before. That was the height of the MBS bubble. Everyone knew the huge bubble is poised to deflate, but Jared saw that it would not deflate but explode. He finally pulled the emergency brake during the meeting and decided to leave the train before it hits the wall. Very good acting in the film.

Technically it takes place over about 30 hours (from the time Eric is fired until the scene were Sam is burying his dog).

LOL, I watched this movie because the voice of JARVIS and the new Spock were in it.

You know you're fucked when you're presented with a problem and the combined forces of Spock, The Vision, The Mentalist, GI Jane, and Lex Luthor can't find a solution.

@@Yerflua Don't forget Ozymandias from Watchmen. But that's upcoming.

Took me a sec but it was hilarious when I got the joke. These guys going to need the Infinity stones if they're to get out of this shit show in one piece

@@Yerflua I want to double-like this comment

Add the fact that he already called the CEO to get things in motion

They did repeatedly call him a killer.

they also call him boy wonder, it's obvious to everyone he's very smart

I love that part too. Glad you noticed. He is like this is your problem bud. I would enjoy that too knowing that my manager would have to deal with some bs that you would have to deal with if you were in that situation especially if they were younger than you.

Yeah. Almost like Aaron Sorkin's work.

I'm so used to hearing 'hwhat' from Spacey.

And the eyes and body language saying : are you fucking kidding me ? Spacey at its best.

Yep, the body language and vacant expression sells it so hard. Its really great.

Bad guy, but a tremendous actor.

Jerome Mayle looooool underrated comment

Wouldn't that be illegal? Using information that is not published to trade

First of all it 2:16 Am nobody trade with you at that hour.

markets arent open at 2:15 am

Well, the next morning at 9:30 he did ... perhaps he dumped what could be sold on the DAX and London Stock Exchange. Great comment!

I thought otherwise. Kevin's character looks like a dazed deer: he doesn't know "the friction ratio, the steering outcome under reduced gravity loads." It was way above his head. But Jared, on the other hand, quickly concluded Peter was a rocket scientist. It shows you who is the boss in this meeting. It also sets up Kevin's line "but what do I know?"

Try watching "the mentalist." He is very good. First time I saw him was in the movie "The Red Planet."

First saw him in LA Confidential, where by coincidence most of his scenes were with Kevin Spacey.

Baker was subtle and laconic. Perfectly played.

He’s a good actor. First saw him in Land of the Dead

You should see him in LA Confidential, if you haven’t seen it already.

That’s funny I thought the same thing

If you watch the other scenes, the character (Seth) is being dragged along to higher and higher meetings where all he can really do is just sit there. You can even see that without a tie he really doesn't belong in those meetings.

This is not Lehman Brothers. This is Goldman viewpoint. Lehman was buying shit from these guys next morning

Same!!!

​@@alqbai0707+1

To me fair you are only going to see reduced gravity loads in space where there is no atmosphere hence their is no friction, so the ratio is always zero and has no effect on steering outcomes. ... which may also be a useful metaphor

@@theccpisaparasite8813 that's not true. gravity weakens with distance. the effect is observable within the atmosphere. by the time you reach the edge of it (as defined by convention - obviously there is no sharp "edge", but something like the Karman line) it's already weaker by a few percent. it may not be much from human perspective, but it's quite significant for calculations. it certainly counts as "reduced gravity load".

@@vibovitold you aren't going to notice it until you are in space, you know it and I know it, quit pretending. I guarantee that the SR-71 did not even take things into considerations get real.

This dude was just high as hell when he wrought this

​@@theccpisaparasite8813 yes, this is what i said. you as a human wouldn't notice of course, but if you were to calculate something like satellite orbits, you'd surely need to take this factor into account, especially since such inaccuracies accumulate over time. it's like you certainly wouldn't notice Einsteinian time dilation, even if you were strapped to a satelite, because at such speeds (far below the speed of light) it only accounts for fractions of second. HOWEVER, the resulting discrepancies are still significant enough that GPS systems wouldn't work properly in the long run if this factor wasn't taken into account in calculations.

yeah - it's like he doesn't even exist

Brewer - Peanuts and Beer

Money isn’t elixir it’s made out to be. As a matter of fact, it is the reason the planet is going to hell in a handbasket.

@@patsonlim528 No one understands a word that you're saying, but OK

*Glassdoor Est.

@Wypipo Trippin in the film the 'Seth character' (the analyst who doesn't really speak in the meetings) asks Jared how much he made last year, Jared doesn't tell him and then Seth mentions having made a quarter-million dollars himself. Jared mentions having been in the firm only two-years, and appears to be a bit senior to Seth. So if the jr. guy who hasn't even been with the firm two years is pulling down 250k, Jared was making atleast that, and probably a couple thousand more, say 260k. Going in to his third year at the firm. Nothing in the academic fields could come close to that. To pull down that type of scratch building rockets you'd have to work for Bruce Wayne or Lex Luthor. No state job is going to pay that. No research position is going to pay that. Nowhere near in that little amount of time. And that doesn't even factor in growth potential. Nor bonuses. And as we see at the end of the film, Jared is made an executive partner, being promoted over two of his bosses (Rhys and Spacey). So he'll be making no less than spacey, which is rumored in the film to be a million a year. So a million dollars a year in his third year out of college... My friend's dad was an space engineer who worked for a company contracted to NASA to work on their guidance systems at a NASA center in Mississippi. He probably wasn't even making 250k a year and he'd been with that company for like 10years when we were in HS.

I didn't get that from the scene, myself. No doubt that Peter was smart, but I didn't think he was trying to be clever by directing credit to Eric (as if he was suspecting anything suspicious on Sarah's part), he just struck me as a guy who knew is stuff but wasn't going to take credit for work he didn't do. I took that as humility on my part, but I may be wrong.

@@graytonw5238 That's how I intepretted this scene too. Peter is the smartest person in this movie, but he's the most humble and down to earth person, always willing to be curious and learn from everyone else. He never speaks unless spoken to and is very attentive. His humbleness is displayed in this scene through him giving Eric the fair credit for the work done.

In my opinion, it was just honesty and humility on his part. He's clearly not privy to all the politics of the company. Heck, he probably never even saw these people before

She was definitely trying to attack the information before really looking at it, and I think he sensed that. So he reiterated that most of the work was done by the senior risk person, all he did was fill in the blanks. Then she wanted to discredit him with his background, without knowing what it was. Oops!

Agree. It's a modern day "12 Angry Men"

Apparently the director's dad was in a high position at a hedge fund. Which truly helped them use the correct lingo needed to make the entire movie accurate and easier to understand per the explanations they give.

You mean like psychopaths? Oh sorry "rationally."

Chaotic Good I mean psychopaths act rationally and without emotion . That’s why they are the best leaders

I agree man, baker is amazing in this scene

Baker is severely underutilized by Hollywood

Too Big Too Fail on HBO is very good too. Big short is awesome

“What they didn't really notice is that as they kept making money every single year, the leverage of their various institutions was increasing every single year. They thought they were making more money because of them. But really what was happening is they were making more money because their institution was becoming more levered. And really what happened was, they mistook leverage for genius. ” - Steve Eisman

same

@@MichaelDarlingCo Leverage is great as long as you don't hold the bag and trade asap.

Wrong. "Big Short" sucks.

First time I saw it I wasn’t so impressed, having watched it a couple of times now, I think it’s one of the best movies ever

That's what I'm saying. The build up he did to deliver the line... just perfect

Spacey needs to be back in the business and producing more like this. You could tell that there was some improv with the "Fuck Me" and both Paul and Kevin were amused at it.

The one that always stayed with me was "That Championship Season"...from 1999

"never looks weak" Not exactly disagreeing, but in the senior partners meeting, when Tuld asks someone to explain the underlying problem, Baker's character has nothing to say. He doesn't know the details, and doesn't have to; he trusts his engineer. It's kind of an odd way to show strength, but that's exactly what it is. I never understood that until just now.

​@@50srefugee right... For a couple of time he was worried about his job.

He's a smart guy, I think that's what's being conveyed through his summarization.

And to that note, they all thought they were smart before the shit hit the fan. Then, it was full blown panic mode.

@@Rasmos right on. Good point.

It's also a show of dominance. By asking the room's members to answer a very simple question, he's establishing the pecking order of the room. Plus it makes for quick snappy back and forth moments. Good stuff all around.

Dramatic effect in a nutshell.

@@PIXLEXX in this circumstance he is stressed, and too preoccupied to check. easier to ask

He fucking NAILED that role. That was amazing.

@John Don't forget, he already had.

the fact that he didn't remember Seth's name should have told him that he will be fired

lmao same

How was a junior guy like him allowed to the later meeting?

@@ahmedfelhi5999 the same reason why they wanted Eric Dale back. Till they sold there assets he new to much and could have leaked the info to the press out of spite

@@chrisby30 Dale was summoned just to sit in a random room inside the company until the end of the fire sale to guarantee his silence as you said. Same should've been done with Seth, having him attend a meeting of senior business managers plus tuld himself makes no sense to me. But that's just my opinion

califinn so true. In real life no one ever does.

They only know the language of government bailouts.

Califinn : how do you know ? I've been around smart people, they don't get dumb just because the shit hit the fan.

@@TheNefastor Maybe not, but I'm positive that every second word from their mouths are either fuck or a variation of it accompanied by several sweatpearls and the occasional tear XD.

@@MarkusM121 Wall Street has disproportionate numbers of narcissistic and psychopathic personalities. They are cool under pressure and less prone to tears. Also, Simon Bakers' character is indeed saying "fuck" a lot.

missed that, awsome!

it's really between her and Cohen . . Sullivan is too low in the structure . . he wasn't making investment decisions

my impression on that scene is sarah is trying to push the credit of discovery to Sullivan instead of Eric dale, since Sarah is the one who decided to fire Eric dale which was a big mistake.

@@kenzacharyrodriguez2591 That's correct. The writer nailed corporate/government mentality here. CYA. Attack those who are no longer there to defend thenselves. 🤔

i don't think that's what she is trying to do. it's a 11 pm or so, and there is a report that saying your company is on the verge of an implosion, the first thing you have to know is the report credible, she seeing if peter was competent. as in clear in the scene once he gives his CV, she acknowledges there might be problem.

@@chrismyco7950 I think they are past the "credible" stage here. It's very late. All the bosses are there. Plus Tuld has already been called. I think I have it right tbh . .

And have multiple cameras aimed at everybody so you don't miss a thing.

Agreed. A shame it wasn't more popular, so that more people could see great acting, script and camerawork. But I'll take quality over popularity any day.

It was understood. :D

Check out the 48 laws of power by Robert Greene. A few of them pop up in this movie! Brilliant!

true!

I think it's a subtle cue of how minorities get treated in america....maybe I'm wrong

@@bluecomet1109 I'd say more on how deep in the shit they currently are. Jared desperately need a solution right now to get out of the shit. He ignore Ramesh's request for more time to analyze it properly, because if they waste more time to act, they'll sink deeper into the shit.

@Woody Meggs The real trick is figuring out whether they're doing it to start a mess, or because they actually believe it. In KZfaq comment sections, I figure roughly... 70/20 with an additional 10 who overlap.

The issue isn't that they don't value Ramesh's input. There's a time crunch. If Sullivan's work is correct, they need to have the ball rolling on a plan immediately. If Ramesh and Demi come back and say it's not so bad, then they've got more time. But when Tuld is running the 3am meeting, he asks Ramesh for input on the legal side of their product dump, and proceeds with the plan. He's not the forgotten man, and he is as direct as the rest of them.

And the clear hierarchy that you just give him the answer. Again.

I interpreted that as "time hasn't stood still for me, must act now"

GetUpFalcon yes, Panic!

Very well written and acted.

I see it as he was mentally prepping himself that he was really about to call and wake the CEO for a meeting that early. Like reaffirming in his mind how crazy it was

Exacte same

I think they have totally different job roles. Sam is Head of Sales (the main trader) while Jared Cohen is Head of Capital Markets. Two totally different job roles and professions.

@59th Bittersteel and which is a higher position and where do the recruits for these positions come from? Are you saying that Sam could not do or does not want Jared's job?

@@kvaka009 In terms of salary it's mentioned Jared earns alot and more then Sam. However, Sam is the most important person in the room. Not in power but in getting the deal done and selling all the toxic assets. Without Sam the company would have died. But Yes Jared is more senior as Jared is senior leadership. However, from an operational output Sam is the boss.

Jared is we’re he is for making quick and maybe ruthless decisions

@@jonhughes2346 so he's usually first? Well at least he doesn't cheat.

this movie sucks - why waste your life?

@@stephenlyon1358 It`s one of the best movies ever made. No effect shit. Just acting, that is pure gold. I meen Jeremy Irons Kevin Spacey and Zachary Quinto. The writing in this is first class.

@@a0402330 boring

@@stephenlyon1358 Well you think that, I think this. Were are even.

@@stephenlyon1358 Evidently, you watched it.

Seth catches so many stray bullets this entire movie

@@Konishi010 ya but as Joe Goldberg, he’s the one dishing out the carnage 🤣

Seth is a screwup in this movie. You learn early and upfront that he is just constantly worried only about himself throughout 90% of the movie and it takes him until the ride back from Brooklyn for him to realize that. Oh it's not just Wall Street types at this thing's going to affect Also his obsession with what everybody else makes is just crazy. Finally, he doesn't realize that he's supposed to put his damn tie back on to be in these meetings with senior management and then the board of directors.

@@WalterPavlikII elaborate please, I feel like I am the Seth and there's barely any comments about Seth.

Best line

What are you now?

Just an IT consultant now, helping companies transition from older tech to the newer bleeding edge stuff. By the time a problem like this would pop up with stuff I design today I am long gone and onto the next company and project. I haven't pulled an all-nighter like what's portrayed here since probably 2015 or 16. I'm Eric Dale now. :-)

Exactly. And also the scene after the meeting where Jeremy Irons character is eating the steak. He just rattles off the years that had financial instability. But in the boardroom he asks Peter Sullivan to explain it to him like he is child or a golden retriever. That's because he knows the others in the boardroom probably won't understand it and wants them to know why he orders the fire sale.

@@OnzeMilano Well Tuld has pretty much already decided what needs to be done before he even gets to the meeting, this is more just a matter of confirmation and to give marching orders. like you mentioned he knows that market crisis is just part of the normal cycle and it's about being first to act. The fact that the junior analyst was the one to pick up on this issue (and not any of the big wigs) demonstrated his great value to the firm, which is why Tuld promoted him.

Doesn't the last scene in Big Short change that line of thought? As Carell's character reveals that the banks most certainly knew what was coming yet their greed made them shut their eyes off.

@@shibasisghosh4146 True, but after rewatching that scene in the Big Short I'd say the way that discovery is presented is another oversimplification, as it suggests a level of evil that you don't see in Margin Call. In this film, Will gets his "fuck normal people" speech in defense of the good they do, Tuld is sincere when he says "I don't cheat", and Sam never actually presents any viable alternatives for how their company would survive, or denies that if they don't do it first someone else will, possibly in mere days' time, with the same disastrous results. Margin Call's guys are ruthless, but essentially honest, and aren't totally uncaring of the suffering they cause (even Tuld shows a flicker of guilt in his final speech to Sam, when he acknowledges "there may be more of us now then there's ever been"), so I find Margin Call more interesting and sophisticated as a look at the sort of people who can cause this mess without being blundering morons or moustache-twirling villains. This isn't a criticism of the Big Short, as its focus and goals were completely different and it succeeded in those goals very well, just an observation that a side-effect of the tone and focus prevented it from having the nuance of Margin Call.

Yup the banks in the big short are still terrifying but they are portrayed as cartoonist buffoons

i agree. "The Big Short" generally chooses a bit friendlier interpretation. the banks played with fire, but for the most part they didn't realize it was fire. they're shown as genuinely surprised. the company in "Margin Call" knew all along it was fire - they just gambled that they wouldn't get burnt. also in "The Big Short" the lower-level bankers, traders, are pretty much clueless about what's going on. in "Margin Call" even lower level employees kind of are in on it, or are at least theoretically capable of figuring this out. however, i don't think one of these perspectives has some inherent advantage over the other. these things aren't black and white - it's not "evil people" vs. "evil system" like there's nothing in between. "it shows how being smart doesn't stop you making stupid mistakes" i think the main takeaway is groupthink, when a group of people collectively acts less smart than the group members individually. it's a known effect in organizations. diffusion of responsibility.

They did not make mistakes they did not care. At least not the biggest players.

Contrast of Seth and Peter.

I feel like she was doing the opposite - she wanted to present him as this super smart analyst that figured this out without Mr Dale's help, so that her earlier decision to let him go would seem justified. She knew that if the bosses found out that Dale informed her of this a year ago and she ignored him, she is to blame for everyone having to scramble around last minute to dump their position. It's the reason I can't stand her character, though it is superbly acted.

Don’t forget Ramesh.

@@colecanup9226 Ramesh is still pissed at Margaret Tate.

@@bobbywoods684 He’s got his reasons.

@@colecanup9226 So glad you got it.

sam's the sergeant major but jared is the officer in command basically

To nit-pick, thanks to my Autism (literally ...) ... Peter wasn't a 'rocket scientist'. It's clear - at least to me - that he was more a aeronautical engineer, in the field of high-atmospheric, high-velocity, aircraft, as in the SR-71, and the X-15. Travelling at such high altitudes means the air is thinner, allowing both aircraft to push easily beyond Mach 2. Trouble is, trying to steer that aircraft, due to the asymmetrical friction caused by traveling at Mach 3+ , at > 50,000ft , just from that friction alone. Part of the headache that came with engineering both the SR-71, and even the commercial Concord/e, was also the fact the airframe would 'stretch' a fair bit, even at 50,000ft, which meant that growth alters the asymmetrical friction on the steering surfaces, the faster it travels ... ... and as for the gravity part ...? Well, given the maximum altitude recorded of a X-15 was 345,200ft (likely earning that pilot the rare Astronaut 'badge'), whilst not exactly weightless, its still high enough to easily experience less than 1g. Whilst modern aircraft uses hydraulics to manipulate control surfaces, it's still experiencing normal gravity, even at 40,000ft, due to their weight. Reduce the gravity, and the weight of those control surfaces changes, even though the mass stays the same ... I am by no means an expert, but I can imagine trying to shift those control surfaces, whilst dealing with its mass, whilst being exposed to high friction, to engineer all of _that_ is a reason why it was a PhD thesis ... So, not quite as you said, although he could apply his thesis, to 1st/2nd stage steering, whilst still in the Earth's sub-atmosphere. However, given the current expansion into hypersonic missiles ... But, what gets me is this: even a guy, whose thesis was on the cutting edge of aeronautical engineering, was lured away from any of the big aero firms (Boeing et al), because the bank likely was paying double, and now, as he is likely is in Sarah's old job as CRMO, triple, with healthy bonuses, plus options ... there was something slightly wrong about the brain drain into the financial sector before 2008 happened ... And Americans wonder why two private companies are now on the cutting edge, whilst poor old NASA is fighting over the remains of the Fiscal Discretionary Budget, after the DoD takes its 55%, to the extent that, by 2030, their budget is likely to be $1 _Trillion_ per annum ... whilst leaving their shattered Veterans that comes back, to the - also chronically underfunded - VA, instead of taking care of their own directly, out of that budget ...

@@nigelft sorry but you're missing the point. The first guy's point is still totally valid, whether or not Mr Sullivan really had been a rocket scientist or not. The fact that many will choose a more lucrative yet ultimately pointless job over something that could genuinely benefit mankind is a sad tragedy of life.

Essentially correct. Almost everyone I've encountered in investing started out doing something else. Even in the movie we're told Eric Dale and Will had earlier careers. Ironically, Seth (WTF's his name) wanted that as his career and he was let go.

great explanation

@@nigelft kindof sounded like he was talking about boundary layer effects inside an engine bell to me. But I mainly take issue with what I infer to be your strict definition of rocket scientist. The X-15 was unquestionably a rocket-ship. It wasn't a space-craft, although it could have been pressed into service as one, but it sure was a rocket. And hypersonic missiles, supersonic combustion ramjets, edge-of-space aircraft... this is all "rocket science". If someone only ever worked on designing aerfoils for 737s and Airbus, sure, they are an Aeronautical Engineer and would be giving themselves airs to pretend to be a rocket scientist... but it's a pretty big tent.