Regarding 7:13, the Thermo Scientific Niton XL2-800 XRF Metal Analyzer shows the composition of the Fake 2009 Canadian Gold Maple Leaf coin is primarily 42.42% Copper & 53.88% Silver. The fake coin weighs 17.1 grams which is 45% lighter than a real Gold Maple Leaf 1 troy oz. Coin. A real 1 troy oz. gold Maple Leaf measures 30 mm in diameter, 2.8 mm in thickness and 31.1 grams in weight.

I wonder if counterfeiters watch these kind of videos to learn from their mistakes?

I was hoping you would break the coin out of the slab and cut into it so we could see what it was really made of.

if it’s fake why didn’t you bust it out and weigh the coin

Poor lighting and heavy shadows don't help the video.

if its fake take it out of the holder!

Yes the sharp reeded edges of the real maple, where the width of the gold coin is squeezed into the dye and ‘leaks’ out of the dye. Tell tail of real gold. Ring test, weight, looks. Gold is hard to fake. Bars are different. Slabs make me nervous, I want to feel my gold, as most of us do.

The majority of people are not going to get caught out with these fake coins. If someone is selling a 1oz gold coin under price the alarm bells start ringing. I personally wouldn't buy a gold coin in a slab anyway, as I would be purchasing it for its bullion value and would want to handle the coin. I also only purchase gold coins from reputable companies, so don't purchase from individual sellers, on e-bay etc. How sickening to lay out cash for a 1oz gold coin and then find out its a fake 😣

I say break it out and eat the chocolate innards..

I find fake Chinese ASE's on Ebay all of the time. I report them to Ebay but nothing ever happens to the listings.

Awesome brother! Thanks for sharing this valuable information!

Thanks! Every bit of information helps!

Man this changed the game , Thank you

COUNTERFITTING GOLD SHOULD CARRY THE SAME PENATLES AS COUNTERFITTING CURRENCY! ALSO ANY COMPANY THAT EVEN ADVERTISE THE SALES SHOULD CARRY THE SAME!

Upon discovery, the coin melted and was simply a chocolate with a gold looking wrapper to cover it. The chocolate contents have been confirmed by our taste tester 5000.

Excellent Video

3 things to measure for the average joe : 1) coin diameter (use digital calipers) 2) coin thickness (use digital calipers) 3) coin weight to at least 1 decimal place accuracy (use an accurate weighing scale with zero calibration) There are other things like a slide (magnetic) test, ping test...etc. But the above 3 are the minimum. Those 3 tests are very hard to pass for a 24k gold coin like maples, buffalos, philharmonics. SOME sophisticated 22K counterfeit coins can pass those 3 tests or so I've heard (?) Moral of the story is to opt to purchase 24K gold coins and do the above 3 tests.

Jus take the damn coin out of the casing

Thanx for sharing

Great vid - very scared to buy 1 oz because of counterfeits .

Thx for a great video and informative article on fakes

Worthwhile information. Thanks!

Thank you for a very informative video

It's exactly why I would never by slabbed coins

If I can't touch it, smell it, taste it see it without any barrier and hear it ring! I won't buy it. I just don't trust anyone or any agency

If you just set the morgan on the scale, you could've hit tare and then weighed the whole ngc holder without doing any math...

Any gold that comes in a holder I ask to take so I can feel it and compare. Only tungsten weighs the same as gold. When you have that a knife can be used to shave a piece off. Gold is soft tungsten is hard. Counterfeits that are larger than the genuine gold coins are obviously lesser dense metals. Counterfeits that are the same exact size and weight would only be made of tungsten. Tungsten would be used mainly on 1 oz or above coins and bars. Due to the high temperature of the melting point of tungsten sintering would be the preferred method.

Thank you

Thanks for making this video. So first you checked the features of the coin and then you checked whether there’s any difference in weight between a genuine Maple Leaf and the fake one. As far as I’m concerned the difference in the features on the surfaces of the coins are difficult to see for a lay person, whereas checking a difference in weight is much easier to carry out. In what order would you advise a lay person to carry out these two checks?

Market Harmony, are there more NGC counterfeit slabs than PCGS? Or both are being made and counterfeited?

If one looks up the coin on NGC, "Verify NGC Certification," the coin is listed as: "2009 Canada Maple Leaf G$50 NGC Grade is listed as: "Possible Counterfeit Holder." NGC actually has a picture of the Coin and the Holder, and frankly, it matches what you are showing here.

I also forgot to mention that all and NGC slabs don't look identically 100% the same. There is I think seven different upgraded Models of the NGC coin slabs

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Why not just call NGC and ask them about the coin? If it's the coin you have here, then it's authentic. Oh had to wait for 9:49. Now that you've documented it, you should just break it open and weigh it. Also what information is there about where it came from and where you bought it?

Please use more light in the next video --good video

At 9:00 you can clearly see the NGC stripe on the authentic coin also has a hologram. The Fake does not have any holographic effect on the NGC stripe at all.

Scary shit, thx

Very helpful video👍👍👍 Thank you ! But as a customer the only thing that I can say is: Good work for the....counterfeiters 👍 Bad work from the makers of those coins and slobs meaning that the protection is too low and that disappoints me personally. As a customer paying so much money I want unfakeble security features !!!

Please send email to "Coin World" & "The Numismatist" magazines so more people are aware of this. Thanking you in advance.

Great video. Wish you had done this with adequate lighting.

thanks for the informative video. the fields of the fake appear questionable, whereas the real maple has vertical lines in fields. the outside point on the left side you pointed to seems not as pointed as on real coin.

did the digital /codes match those on NGC records

Where did your client purchase it

That fake maple is huge

Confusing video took me too long to figure out which coin you were referring to.

This kind of thing is what’s destroying the hobby as a whole. Think twice before investing any sun if money into any particular coin you may be looking to purchase. What a shame

Now, if the counterfeiter just added 14 grams hidden in the slab--et voila!

Off by 14 grams that’s a lot 🤦‍♂️ they make different alloys for every kind of counterfeit coins or bars I really hate scammers phone scammers are one thing but scamming people out of 2k is just ridiculous

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thats why i stopped getting anything i cant weight or do a ring test, i have 2 qtlr in ngc holders, do you guys have a sigma machine you could scan it through? i ll defiantly will stop by at your shop next time im in pitt, thanks

I’d love to see a ring test on the slab coin. 😢

Regarding the weight test; since the slab is also fake, it could also have a different weight than a genuine slab, couldn't it? The counterfeiter could add weight to the slab to counter the weight difference of the coin. Until grading services develop some kind of anti-counterfeiting technology on their slabs, it appears that the only way to tell for sure is with an XRF. This slab would have fooled me.

Need to drill two, very small holes, through the coin(at different positions on the coin! not the centre), and use acid on the filings produced.

Pretty easy to tell just by looking at the text font and spacing.

what auction was this?

How does NGC not know if it’s counterfeit? Does that mean there’s a guy out there with the real one and now everyone will think it’s fake? Or there is no real one? In which case, NGC should know that a real one doesn’t exist!

Your lighting needs to be better but great information on spotting fake coins as far as this gold maple leaf, but need more lighting to see what you are talking and pointing at. But thank you for this info!!!

I just scanned the barcode with the ngc app and it comes up as "Grade: Possible counterfeit holder"

I know people who collect them.... bring them to the coin club meeting ...with a scale and a magnet to help out fellow members learn hands on.

The only slabs that I have, are from coins that I have sent off for grading. Too many scams out there.

what about magnet test

You can see right away that the color on the slabbed coin is to shiny.

Good idea but you should really get a better camera and lighting for your future videos. The whole point is to show differences and if you can't do that it seems a waste of time...

You need to film the video in better quality and focus

Basically NGC or Numismatic GUARANTY corporation name is mooted. I doubt many people will bother checking the coin out of they're spanned by 3rd party grader. What it does know is make their business obsolete unless they counter this counterfeiting with new system. Why would I buy slabbed coins when I have to rely solely on my knowledge of the coin?.

I found a Canada Maple leaf on the side of the road. A magnet sticks to it but I took it to the Gold n pawn to let them check it out n confirmed it's a fake.What should I do with it? I was thinking trash but I can see someone finding it and getting their self into trouble!! Thanks for the video

Funny that we reached a point where it's a lot easier to counterfeit a slab'ed gold coin than a naked! Why? Because the slab robs you of theposibility to get the coin in your hands, measure it and do ping tests. Only a 100% copy in pure gold would pass all tests - not even a a gold plated tungsten. In the slab you can easily add weights too so not even the weight would be off! But scanning the barcode in the NGC app and comparing the picture it's clearly not identical. Coin is rotated. Difficult to get the details but not needed.

Take it out of the package its fake anyway

8:28 The radius of the corner of the sticker matches the radius of the corner of the slab on the genuine one, while it's not matching on the fake one.

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I have just checked out a Canadian Maple 2021 and discovered 3 vertical scratches (visible by eye, no need for magnifying glass) .......the weight is 31.22.....how much less do you think it would worth due to the scratches? ....also, i just pinged it and it doesn't chime like my golden 1 oz schilling.....have you pinged yours?

How much this machine is? I mean the price

Why would anyone buy a slabbed bullion coin anyway?

If know it is fake coin, just open slab and make real coin test.

Fake coins should be detected by seller before selling to public. Who has the equipment and measurements to detect at home!!!! Makes me scared to buy gold.☹️

Only buy from reputable dealers who will buy back your coin if you have any doubts.

I bought some gold from TD bank. Would they be a reputable source to buy from?

U missed the brown line label on the obverse Bottom It doesn’t have the same look as the original The original has a sparkle to it, the fake is flat

I knew it was a fake asap. the label is faded and fake. its not thick or bold like the printer was low on black ink . Also scan the bard code it comes up invalid with NGC scan software.

Only a fool buys a slabbed coin. Collector value only has value to the collector. It is easy to buy a real slabbed coin, counterfeit the slab and bar code, duplicate with as many fake coins as you want. I have no empathy for those who place trust or value in a slab.

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This why I never buy coins in slabs. It throws off my feel for the coin. I can pick up a coin and instantly tell if its real or fake just from handling gold coins and becoming familiar with the weight and feel, and look they have. But a coin in the slab looses that sence of mass a gold coin has when you put it in the palm of your hand. I have been fooled a few times by counterfeit coins, but they were real gold counterfeit just made by a foreign country and used a slightly less karat. One was a British sovereign coin which im not very familiar with made from 20 karat instead of 22 karat that the real coins use. It still had value simply based on its gold content. But I have never been fooled by a fake made out of something other than gold. I believe once a person becomes familiar with handling gold on daily basis, it becomes very hard if almost impossible to fool them with some other metal. Gold is so dense that typically no other metal can replicate its dence mass with out increasing the size of the coin. Tungsten has a similar mass to gold, its the only metal that can replicate the density of gold, but its dull. It does not ping and ring like gold, instead it just thuds like a piece of lead. Thats why I hate these plastic cases, I always encourage people who are getting into collecting coins, to personally handle the coins, then you become familiar with its feel, weight, sound, and light reflection.

Now the small maple leaf with the year is there, plus the radial lines on the Queen's side. This fake coin is made in China. Or as 45 says, Chiiiiiina.

End video i hate fake gold coins

Also you could get the same 1 oz maple leaf that is slabbed to compare instead of using other coin that is not 9999.

Isn't this is why you should look up the certification number first?!.

Where did you get the counterfeit from?

Is that all? How about puting only the coin on the scale? The two boxes differ from each other. So your guess about the weight is only a GUESS. Real science

The bar code is poorly printed on that label.

I can tell just from the lettering right off the bat the holder is fake.

why did your "genuine" coin weigh 33 grams?

So it’s not even a tungsten core?😔

what if they make poopoo money 💸💩

Poor attempt at Coin info.

Kinda hard to "counterfeit" a non-currency non-legal tender (especially in the U.S. where foreign "currency" is WORTHLESS as far as being "money" and is ILLEGAL TO TRY TO "PASS" OR "PRESENT" AS ANYTHING BUT A "TOKEN") non-coin, isn't it? You said "based in Philadelphia". Where is your business incorporated and/or headquartered?

China.

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14 grams is 14 small paper clips. And you might want to check the "calibration" and "units" of your "scale" there since "customary U.S. units" and the "U.S. ounce" are NOT "troy measure" but "avoirdupois" and even though the "base unit" of the "grain" are identical, a "troy ounce" is 1/12 of a "troy pound" of 5400 grains while an avoirdupois/U.S. ounce is 1/16 of a U.S. pound of 7000 grains. Where exactly did that "counterfeit" come from? Clearly not "NGC" or the return address would and not getting back what you sent to be "graded" MIGHT be a clue its "counterfeit" OR they or YOU don't deserve such a great "rep" after all. Gotta be more to the "story"