That was a fan issue, and not a creator issue though. High expectations vs what you end up with is always a big issue with games these days it seems. Just look at Starfield. I had a good time play Outer Worlds but I was left with a, "I want more", but I never replayed the game although I probably should one of these days with a different character build. What made FNV so great wasn't just the base game though, but the dlc as well, such sa lonesome road. Expanding the scope of the game a lot, and replayability.

Honestly it lacked in the part. Still was a fun game, though.

oh absolutely it did, i stopped playing it the first time because it wasn't. i went back later without thinking of it like that and it was incredible.

​@@RuffsterBut it was THEM who put "From the creators of Fallout" on the trailer. I think its both marketing and players fault tbh

Sounds like Starfield not being Skyrim in space

He told in another video that they completely didn't know and it was solely a publisher's decision

Oh man, I completely forgot about the Epic exclusive thing. I have not followed EGS news in forever, so I'm not even sure if I want to install it yet, not that I'm in a big hurry to install yet another launcher.

rough generalization, I'm not doing it because it's difficult

we can assume development is going well by how unstressed Tim appears to be in these videos

@@massivive To be fair he's stated he's only working part-time and winding down his career. I doubt he's doing anything all that intense.

That is a great question

IIRC he said before in an interview with Alper Caglar that piracy was something they expected and accepted as an outside factor (though he said that they were underestimating it because they considered mass scale file sharing to be impractical at the time), though it's possible that his opinions on it changed over time.

Why would you pre-order a game lmfao

It's The Outer Worlds: Spacer’s Choice Edition - Official Trailer

That’s it! Thank you

Yes, the Microsoft store has TOW merchandise

Sometimes I can immerse myself in a game. Usually those moments happen because of unusually good writing or novel situations, that take me out of my usual “let’s analyze this game” mode. It’s rare, but it happens. And I savor those moments.

@@CainOnGames What was the last game that you immers yourself in? If that's not a secret.

If you have no budget for marketing, then I hope you have good self-made trailers, get good reviews, and have people playing and enjoying the game in streams. It's all about reaching people, so that they know your game exists and that they think it's a game they'd like to play.

Just a thought. Kindly don't consider this advice, but merely a report of what I've seen with my very own eyes. Alpha. When it's in a playable state, you might consider releasing it to the interested for alpha testing. Approach those social media "influencers" (a two-edged sword, to be sure) playing alphas similar to or in the genre of your game. (Yes. Some, e.g. Fooster, are even playing games that are in an alpha state.) The "professional" marketing can come later when the game is close to being ready for final release. In the meantime, your game will be pulling in revenue from those who buy it (at a less-than-market price, of course) in its alpha state and beyond. 7 Days to Die, Green Hell, Subsistence, Mist Survival. All of these games either started out with a Kickstarter (or similar) campaign and were/are sold in their alpha states. Green Hell, at least, actually has seen finall release while 7DTD has sold 16 million copies despite that it's still in alpha. A lot of gamers love to be in on the development of games even if they don't influence said development. Watching them grow and change over time is its own reward. Some of these games even have been in development for a decade or more and have had people following their dev streams, etc. religiously. (I'm not one of those people who follow them quite that closely, but those who do are out there.) There are even KZfaqrs dedicated to them exclusively. Their audiences may not all be as large as Fooster's, but if I could find them, anyone could. [Spoiler Warning] An awful lot of people are, frankly, sick to death of industry shenanigans and effectively have switched to playing games such as these in development by independent studios and, even, one or two man teams in order to support them in their endeavors. Everyone still loves an underdog.

Talk about it in rarly stages and share alpha builds around. Minecraft got popular because Notch posted it on /v/ back when he was just doing it for fun, and it gained traction from there because it was good and fun. Just make something good and genuinely share it with people who will probably like it too.

@@eponymous3784 Authenticity and genuineness are qualities that top my personal list of qualities to look for in everyone and everything. Are you suggesting, though, that programs like Steam's shouldn't exist/developers shouldn't participate in them and/or hope for some revenue from a game currently in development? So many questions have been asked of Tim about what to do if one has little to no budget. An alpha test run is at least one way to get a revenue stream coming in that can be put into continued development of the game without the developer going bankrupt, personally or otherwise, in the process. There is a dark and light side to everything and alpha programs such as Steam's are no exception to the rule. I voiced the concern on another thread that asset stores and the like would result in the market being flooded with little more than modifications of software tutorial "projects" and there's no question in my mind that there are quite a few of those on Steam, but I don't think that should dissuade a developer from trying to get their game out there and played and talked about and a supportive community formed around it; etc. I wouldn't think "the earlier, the better" because it's painfully obvious that reviews of various games in an alpha state on Steam are generally penned by players who apparently think they're playing a finished product despite plentiful warnings that they're not. It should be in a playable state...with maybe a little panache I enjoy seeing played and/or playing games in development for the same (and only) reason I watch "Let's Plays" on occasion: to get a feel for the game so I can determine whether or not it might be something I'd enjoy and want to invest time and money in myself.

I'd remove the superfluous word ”online” if I didn't irrationally dislike having an ”edit” stamp next to my comment.

My guess would be that it's harder to let quality games build up an audience, as the games will become old and not as graphically impressive as time goes by, so people will pay less for them. So marketing would be needed to get more people to buy while the title is hot.

Because it follows Hollywood model of marketing. spend double the budget to drive one time sales.

I'm also playing it for the first time now on switch. It's like a hybrid between kotor and new vegas and i love it. i admit i prefer this over new vegas so far. kotor 2 is still my favorite obsidian game since i grew up with it, but they really improved companion interactions this time. kotor 2 didnt even have companion quests if i remember right. both kotor2 and new vegas owed almost everything to their predecessors. This time around obsidian built a new franchise, so there was no pre-established lore or recycled assets, which is why I'm hopeful that the sequel will be even better so long as the direction stays the same

You absolutely should. Learning how to present your own game, its core features, main strengths in a short gif image or 30 sec trailer is one of the most important skills for an indie developer.

True.

I'm not sure the intent quite matched up with the expectation.You'd expect that it would, considering, but I honestly felt the humor just a bit out of date. Watched a few episodes of Let's Plays to get a feel for it and decided the game just wasn't for me. (And that's all. I'm sure it was a lovely game, but something about it just felt a bit off.) Glad it did well, regardless. Seems a lot of people have been trying to put their finger on just what that "just a bit off" entails. (See Noah-Caldwell Jervais' coverage, for example.) But can't...quite...do it. I suspect that's only because we've been through so much in the past decade or so.

@@lrinfi I got about halfway into it before realizing there wasn't much that kept me wanting to play. It *is* hard to put into words because I bought the game expecting to love it. If I were to even try... This could just be my inner 12 year old speaking but maybe it's because it lacked edge. It didn't have that bitter nihilism of an 80s action movie like, say, Fallout did. It was nihilistic, but in a detached, ironic way. Maybe the game should've taken itself more seriously. Humor is fine but it doesn't stand out when everything's silly. In Fallout there are times to laugh and times to feel dread. Bad guys in Fallout act like scary bad guys. Bad guys in TOW act like Captain Planet villains.

@@deathsheadknight2137 Definitely reminds me of Tim saying he wanted the orignal Fallout to end with a party and baloons while Leonard Boyarsky wanted it to end...uh, quite a different way. What a great team! Kinda reminds me of Laverne and Shirley, actually. I'll never forget Shirley saying, "Keep your hands off my baloon, Laverne!" Classic.

@@lrinfi Lightning in a bottle I guess. The perfect combination of people, in the right mindset and at the right time, like Terminator, Star Wars, etc.

I would expect Obsidian to be a company that can look at the shortcomings of OW and use outer worlds 2 to revise and expand on things. Personally, above all, i hope modding tools are shared with the community, but I also hope to see toggle 3rd person and some more immersion and exploration improvements: much more diverse set of weapons, enemies, and outfits like was seen in new vegas. I never finished OW1 and haven't touched it in a couple years, but I will be going back and trying it again

Exclusivity is frustrating, but I wasn't personally upset by waiting longer to get it on a different storefront. I don't blame them as those kinds of deals are lucrative and can help devs that need the capital

@@phoenixvance6642 Ok, let's make one thing clear. When there's a Publisher in the mix, they take all the money. So no, the Developer sees non of the money from that deal. The only point of such deals is to remove choice from the customers. In cases of 'timed exclusivity', the target demographic are people with low patience, like children. It's shady from start to finish. Whoever told you "It helps the Devs" is full of shit.

@@martinatzejensen6787 oh :c

hungry

i blame The DOG

And now one of the writers for Outer Wilds is working on Outer Worlds lol.

Did he say whether microsoft buying them kind of drove them to rush towards the finish line? That might explain some of the game's shortcomings if it's the case.

We don't know why maybe money or unreal engine limitations. That wasn't triple AAA game. You could end game in 15 hours. Character Building wasn't same level like in Fallout 1 or 2.@@phoenixvance6642