The Winchester M1892 in .45 ACP - The pistol caliber carbine that you always wanted... but didn't know it at the time.

Mark, they were converted in the 50's because there was no .44 WCF available in Argentina. They were meant for police use, and I' ve seen cops carrying them up to the early 80's. I had one for a while but it really had a rainbow trajectory. Mine was longer though, kept the 20 inch barrel.

I so much more enjoy videos like this than the “hey let’s shoot 400 lbs of crap with a 50 cal at point blank range “ videos

If the Winchester is from 1919, it could be the one used by my great-grandfather. He was a rural police officer in the province of Santa Fe at that time, chasing cattle thieves, criminals, etc. Until he was assassinated in 1927.

I am from Argentina and I had one of that guns in my hands. There are at least 3 histories about the origin of this carbine. The most popular is that it was rechambered by the workshops of the british railway companies to have the same ammo for the carbine and the pistols colt or ballester molina that were used by the security employees

Wow thats a very cool mod to a 92. Not going to lie i want one.

What a fascinating carbine, I hope we'll get more background one day because a south american ranger with a 1911 and a Winchester feels so right

That looks like it would be an incredibly interesting suppressor host.

So, I showed a friend my 1938 .30 WCF that still shoots like a dream. I bought it back in 1967 for $85 clams. Oh, says my friend it has a small bit of pitting on the receiver. I replied that it's 87 years old and one tiny bit of pitting can be repaired if it hurts your feelings that much. He offered me $400, and I said that $800 would raise my eyebrows and a Grand in cash would seal the deal. Please do not ask me to sell something that I really do not want to sell unless you are willing to pay for the gun and for changing my mind to sell the rifle in the first place. I shot my first whitetail buck with it back in 1967 a 205lb 7 pointer using reloads I made with a hand operated Lee Loader. This 30WCF is NOT for sale until after I'm dead, thank you very much. Isn't Love Grand!!!!!

I was just given Grandpa's model 64. The hammer wouldn't hold either. I ended up shaving the same surface, but it took a helluva lot more than a few swipes with a stone. I suspect at some point the hammer was replaced and nobody thought to check that maybe it needed to be fit. Nice blue, hand worn finish all over - jet black hammer.

If it's of interest to anyone: The name Pez is made up from 3 Letters of the word Pfefferminz (peppermint as this was the first sort of drops they made). So the first, the middle and the end letter of the word. Pez as a company is originates from the same country of as Steyr and Glock and was founded in 1929.

I’ve been watching you for a while, and I don’t work on firearms at all. However you made an offhand remark once about using hammers: “don’t hit harder, get a heavier hammer” and that advice has served me very well. Thanks.

It's nice to see Bruno for a change , I know He is one of the oft unseen hero's in these productions and as always - what can You say - Mark Novak , Master Craftsman Outstanding ! . Thanks Guys . Shoot Straight Stay Safe & Stay Well .

Mark you are a craftsman, i went to school to be a gunsmith you are way beyond.

I'm from Argentina. Those 1892 carbines where converted to share ammo with Colt and Ballester Molina pistols in provincial police use. Train guards also used 1892 carbines but (I think) in original .44WCF. Lots of that Winchester model where imported here in those times, even FM (Fabricaciones Militares, state-owned ammo factories) manufactured .44WCF ammo.

Due to the shortage of the 44/40, and because the 1911 and clones were used by the police and they had those ammunition, the Winchester 1892 were modified, greetings from Argentina

Very common mod here in Argentina for the 44-40 to be rechambered to 45 acp. Some say that the gun barrell was forced to 45acp by shooting it and forcing it to accept the round and not by tapping the new calibre. All of them were made from 44-40

Another master class. Thanks again from a former weaoon technician in the CAF.

Im glad brother Mark is one of our fraternity. Had a few of these to do myself.

You always get the cool stuff, now I want one. Great explanation of all the engineering concepts. And yes I too have pondered the pez dispensers and 1911 mags...the follower in both are very similar LOL!

I've thought this was a winning idea for a while, offer those repop lever guns in the super cheap/popular pistol rounds like 9mm and .45 ACP.

Like your no nonsense approach to your videos. Got 4 model 92's would love to have one in 45 ACP

Always a pleasure to watch a master craftsmen in action.

That barrel extension is screaming to be threaded for a Maxim style silencer. What a neat setup. Somebody contact Rossi.

NICE save! The .45 ACP conversion makes good sense because it's the same reason the rifle was originally made to eat the same thing as .45 Colt Single-action Army revolvers: no need to carry two different calibers. I obtained a 2nd-hand Rossi Model 92 in 38/357 and it barely worked...when it worked. I got it for a song because of completely unreliable feeding. The good news was no previous owner had attempted to butcher the action on their kitchen table. I was able to tune it up; it works buttery smooth and slick and even feeds wadcutters. A really fun rifle at the range and handy to carry in the woods.

Master Gunsmith Mark Novak's ingenuity, coherent creativity & vast experience, virtually know NO limits!!. So many thanks & Blessings to Master Mark for sharing such a wealth of all of the above, wisely seasoned with humility!!. 🤗🇺🇲💪🙏🙏🙏🙏

The more of your videos I watch, the more I I want learn this trade. thank you for over 30 minutes of constant fascination.

I want one! A lever in 45 ACP, heck yes.

Thank you for sharing your expertise

Very informative, my father loves old winchesters and lever actions, lately he's been messing with a few project ones, i think this video can help him out. Thank you Mark

Great Video. Cut my teeth on the large frame Winchesters,1886, total rebuild. Ive found that MOST...not all Smiths today fool with Black guns and consider being a Gun Smith just involves Parts changing. I educated myself on rebuilding M1 Garands, Carbines and lever action rifles due to lack of good smiths. Great video Thanks .

So.... This thing is right up my alley!

For anyone seeking more information on this conversion a gentleman who goes by twobit on various forums has been collecting/posting information for a few years. To quote him from one of his posts on gunboards, "What I know so far is that they all started as 44 WCF chambered SRC’s. The rifles were re-chambered for the 45ACP cartridge which apparently was done to match the side arms caliber of the law enforcement departments. Some of the French rifles were subsequently stamped .45 LC since the .45 ACP is considered a “military caliber” and its use is restricted. The re-chambering necessitated altering the tail end of the magazine and the receiver internal parts. The barrel and magazine are shortened to a 16 inch configuration. Sling attachments were added to the left side of the butt stock and the rear barrel band on the fore end. The muzzle end of the barrel was turned down to a smaller diameter so that the barrel band would still fit and the front sight was repositioned. The serial number range is from 15479 all the way up to 996101. The early guns have very large SN gaps between them but later examples are much closer in numbers and may have been purchased directly from Winchester. The “rack number” stamped on the left side of the receiver does not sequentially follow the SN progression."

this man knows what he is doing. that rifle ....(when fixed)turned out to be a very nice little carbine!!

Nice video, just one point, when using a drill always remember a centre punch is your friend.

And remember "Murphy was an optimist".

That is a cool pistol caliber carbine. Great caliber, long live the 1911 and Lever Action.

Agreed, 92's are much better than 94's. Great video as always.

Love your content my friend

I don't know why a company hasn't made a .45 ACP lever gun. I think it's an awesome idea and would love to have one.

You inspire me Mark. Amazing to see what you can come up with in the shop, bet it was a tack driver in its day... It is a distinct pleasure to watch you do this. The home gunsmith's Bible.

What an awesome project! Mark, your a hell of a guy for re-engineering this thing for Bruno. Love the content fellas, seriously you make my week every time ya post.

Great work. I am frequently amazed by your work. We see too few of people with your capabilities. Thanks for the video.

Yet another superb episode

I love it. I would love a 92, in 45 acp, and an S&W 1917. Radical ! And the 32-20, is my favorite cartridge. Great work !!!!

It's an interesting journey into the guts of one of those critters, loved the Browning/Pez comment, John was a fun boy !!!! Yes they are the answer to a lot of questions. Excellent Video, Lord Novak, Master of the Vise and Bench.

That thing is just flat out cool.

True example of expert craftsmanship, first time seeing one of your videos. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

The carbon-based lifeform delivers again!

12:30 Mark has 3 hands.

Didn't just like this episode I loved it I was glued to every aspect of the gun smithing you're excellent...

A 32-20 to 45 ACP is one unique conversion, well done. Who ever did the original change in calibers must have switched out the barrels too. Like you said in .45 the rifle does provide close in protection.

I appreciate your understanding and promotion of safety margins for things like sear engagement. I’ve had to fix a couple old H&Rs this year that had their single sears ground to an absolute hair trigger, got them recut to being able to withstand a sharp rap from a rubber hammer without touching off Great video as always, Mark

Tell Bruno to give you something easy for a change! Great info on what was incorrectly done. I don't claim to be a gunsmith, but as a person who was a mechanic for 40 years and ran a lathe to fix issues along the way, I can easily see when a mud-douber was loose on it. Great stuff

That's fantastic, I'd love one of these at the ranch.

Ooooo, new Anvil. Will watch ASAP. Saved for posterity. Thanks!

I've really wanted a modern levergun with an integrally suppressed barrel in 45acp. the shorter case length should mean more rounds in a tube, cheaper sub sonic rounds with enough weight and diameter in em to be effective with flat nosed bullets, better suppressor performance and no gas blowback from the manual action, lightweight and handy with a fun to use manual of arms and easy maintenance. hopefully someone makes one

The 92 is one of my favorite lever guns, I know its not the best version of lever guns by a long mile, but it is a satisfying weapon with the visible action. My Rossi Puma Carbine is such a fun 357/38 , but finding the appropriate long-eye-relief scope to put on it was a pain.

Yet another informative, entertaining trip down the rabbit hole. Thanks guys.

My amadeus rossi 92 clone is in 357/38, and I've always been happy with it. But having one in 45acp is appealing!!!!

Very cool gun. Love the videos Mark, thanks for taking the time to make the video

I'm glad to see that there is a gun smith that can problem solve (completed the engineering) Great work.

Looks really nice with that tune-up!

Love the odd Ducks you come by!! OUTSTANDING content Mark. Thank you sir!

I have a feeling lots of CAS guys are going to be saving this video. Thanks very much sir. I needed a 92 disassembly video to help me through a rossi disassembly. Not exactly what I was looking for but it was good enough. Now it's time to get the barrel off the receiver so I can fix the god awful crown thats nowhere near concentric.

Micheal Wayne (John Wayne's son) had a Winchester 1892 serial number 21 that was redone into a 45acp also. Just a fyi.

You’re awesome!! Why is it I get to watching your videos and just lose all track of time. Keep them coming my man

This was made in argentina. 100% sure for cost savings. Hand made work is cheper than bullets. Even today... they are hundreds of examples of this modifcahions here in argentina... for cheper bullets, or for law requeriments... Nice video.

Great job as always! Thanks for the knowledge!

Outstanding gentlemen. Thank you very much for that fascinating presentation, I love watching you solving an engineering problem.

Speaking of sweeping the shop. I try to keep a clean floor, vacuum before a big project. I have one of those long rectangular roofers “nail picking up magnets” that are on a pole that was on wheels and removed the wheels and now those tiny springs that get away get returned to the bench top where they belong! Ah, not that any escape mind you I’m just saying if… 🙄

Working in retail firearms sales I realized most gun owners treat a long gun as just another tool---no more than a pipe wrench--- and though nothing of tossing a long gun into the back of their truck. All of them were amazed when he gun quit working. We had one guy come in with a Remington 870 which had been in the pilot house of a tug boat for over five years. Being in a salt water environment every exposed inch of the gun was a mass of rust. The owner was irritated it would not work.

That is an impressive little gun

I just finished refurbishing an old socket ramrod using three steaming's, the carding wheel, re-bluing, and the non-detergent motor oil. I turned a ramrod that I paid way less than half price for into a museum piece. Thank You Very Much Mark. If you weren't so ugly, I'd marry you!!!!!

The 92 was THE quintessential pistol caliber carbine! You may have a Brazilian re-worked gun. Brazil adopted the S&W 1917 revolver in 1928 (I think?) for their army. Some time in the 1930’s they bought cases of 92’s with shot out bores. They did a lot of work on those guns and re-chambered them to 45 acp for the Cabinerios who were sort of a cross between game wardens and rural police. Rather than buy a few cases of 44 Winchester they did a lot of work to use army issue 45acp. I guess the labour was dirt cheap and ammo was not. It’s possible that other “southern cone” countries like Argentina may have done the same thing for similar reasons. I know Brazil did it. The tip off is markings that may be stamped on the gun. Brazil is a Portuguese speaking country, most other South American countries like Argentina speak Spanish. Another consideration. In the 1930’s Brazil was dirt poor. Argentina had some of the largest gold reserves in the world at that time. Thus “rich as an argentine” as the saying went in the day. So Argentina tended to buy “new” rather than re-work old guns. In any event this partly explains why 92’s are so scarce here today. A LOT of them went south. Later the Brazilian makers made a copy of the 92 for local use, then exported to the US. Rossi? That’s what I know, or speculate. Fox out.

Lever gun carbine in 45ACP…. 🤤

This looks glorious, thanks Mark

1919 makes me think someone wanted what they wished they 'd had in ww1. high-capacity pcc in a handy format. love it.

Very entertaining and two things I carried one of those 2 oz. Hammers around the machine shop for 40 years and now in my home work shop working on my own guns I can honestly say one of the best tools I use is the Angle/Monkey Piss and it's some great shit. Thank You Jake!

That was pretty cool and you removing a few rounds from the 1911 magazine to load into the carbine reminded me of a video I saw a long time ago of a guy using one to load rounds into the chambers of I think a .45 acp Ruger Vaquero like a speedloader

On your own time, and your own DIME! I love watching you work. Needs a Duke Loop.

I just finished cleaning and refinishing a 1892 year model 92 chambered in 44-40 last month, in very similar condition, with similar magazine tube issues. I wish I'd seen this first, would've been a better "learning curve" than the one I experienced. I was considering the steps to modify one to 45 auto, while doing it, something I've wanted for many years, having had one in 44mag back in the seventies. Thanks!

thanks Mark, interesting piece of history there

Maybe it was intended for 45 auto rim like a 1917 revolver?

Best advice in the whole video: sweep the shop floor before you start taking things apart. Ask me how I know...

I saved some small pieces of ironwood root. Makes a great drift for not damaging uncooperative parts. Ife made round ones, flat ones and square ones.

Great info , I have one of these rifles also stamped Santa Fe.. love it

Thank you Mark for another great video 👍👍

Outstanding to have one new today in .45 ACP cool

No entiendo inglés pero cómo usted lo explica,es un idioma universal.abrazo grande.

What a unique creature, somewhere in the ether is the 1911 mate to this thing.

Thank you, Mark. Another fine job.

Watched you press that trigger. Took me a sec to realize you were using a punch to press it.

You're the coolest guy on the youtubes. Wish we were neighbors just I could watch you work and explain things in person!

"When he walks into a room the air pressure changes." Clever turn of phrase, Mark.

Just gotta say. Just starting episode and i can't wait

Thanks for your videos there always interesting.

I love the video mate! Now could/would you take a modern Chiappa 1892 clone in .45 Colt and convert it to reliably shoot .45 ACP?

Ooh, kinda want a lever in .45 acp 😆

WOW a Winchester 92 with a M4 feed tube. LOL But the main thing is the gun operates OK. As always Mark, another great adventure down the rabbit hole.