Apparently the Miracleman case is so convoluted, they actually teach it in law school re: copyright law and trademark filing,

“We got tired of Linkara complaining about the size of the moon, so we’re getting it reduced…”

"Wow! I've ruined the world....." That sure is one way to put it. All that's missing is "That can't be good!"

"The world is doomed. But that means *I'll* perish with it, that's bad!" Finally, a villain with some common sense.

Fun fact: the reason Marvel was able to buy Marvelman/Miracleman was because Dez Skinn never had the rights to it in the first place, the rights had, in fact, stayed with the creator, Mick Anglo. So Marvel simply offered to buy them from him and he said yes, on the sole condition that some of his own Marvelman stories would be reprinted, too, as well as the Alan Moore stuff. Marvel agreed and that's how we get a bunch of Classic Marvelman stories reprinted. Another fun fact: Alan Moore was happy that Mick Anglo finally got the money he deserved, but he also didn't want his name on any of the Miracleman comics. Marvel agreed, so instead of saying "Alan Moore," all of the Miracleman comics he wrote say "The Original Writer" instead.

Finally, a villain who realizes that destroying the world has consequences for them too.

Marvel Man: So why did you make that gas that almost destroyed the world? Doesn't really fit your past perils. Gargunza: My original plan was a vapor that could destroy mountains, thus making more room for development and agriculture. Taking credit for changing the planet to suit humanity's needs would've yielded recognition for my scientific capabilities. Unfortunately, my field test revealed that the vapor didn't know when to stop. Marvel Man: Hey, just like you!

You having never heard of a marrow reminds me of how in the American release of Wallace and Gromit and the Curse of the Were-Rabbit!, they re-dubbed it so that the marrow Gromit was growing was called a "melon" instead, despite it plainly looking like a marrow, because the studio thought American children wouldn't know what a marrow is!!

Ash on Xenomorphs: The perfect lifeform. Some Kryptonian scientist making Doomsday: Hold my Beer

Fun fact: Mick Anglo gave Gargunza his name because that's what he called his brother when he was mad at him.

Considering how "Superman vs. Captain Marvel/Shazam" is a semi-recurring concept over at DC, it's kind of surprising that Marvel seemingly has never done "Hyperion vs. Marvelman/Miracleman", even just once. I get that their expys aren't anywhere near as known as the DC/Fawcett originals, but it just sounds like an obvious thing to do, if only to maybe poke fun at the very concept, in general.

Linkara: "It feels like this is the equivalent of throwing corpses at your enemies". Blue from OSP: Well, it's a really funny story all things considered. [Uncaps beer bottle] What?

Gargunza is a weirdly refreshing take on the oldschool 'Mad Scientist Antagonist' Trope for Superhero Comics. Instead of wanting World Domination or personal Power...he mostly just wants to make his inventions into money, even trying to invent things that he thinks will be genuinely helpful to mankind. It's just that, from what we've seen, he sucks at making them safe to use. Hell, when he screws up with the vapor, instead of stubbornly trying to solve it himself and making things worse in the process or trying to abandon earth and humanity to it's fate in a 'Screw you as long as I survive!' kind of deal, he actually alerts Marvelman to the danger, whom he knows will find a way to solve this. And when that one Dictator recruits him, he doesn't get him with promises of World Domination, but with the offer of unlimited Money for his research, experiments and Inventions. For a Superhero Mad Scientist Villain, he's honestly kinda unique.

26:09 I'm now imagining this bucked toothed little gremlin piloting Bobby Koetick Ala Meet Dave. And considering what Gargunza turns out to be in "A Dream of Flying" I can totally believe he'd be piloting such an evil little man.

I can't get enough of the name "Young NastyMan". Its descriptive to such a degree it doesn't sound like its even meant to be his name. They could have called him "Youthful Rapscallion" or simply "Whippersnapper" and it'd have the same effect.

No, they never address the name change in universe. The comics since Eclipse started publishing them work under the narrative that his name was always Miracleman. He's only ever refered to as Marvelman in the reprints of the Mick Anglo material. Also regarding the lack of British accents, the comic itself was inconsistent about it's setting. There were many early stories that were explicitly said to be taking place in the USA (as the Captain Marvel books had been), but the setting of later stories (particularly Alan Moore's run) was unambiguously British. Great episode. Hope to see you cover some more in the future.

Newscaster: Young Nastyman died shortly after being captured due to an allergic reaction from the antidote, which was made from drugs that don't exist on his world. The doctor was released on bail and his medical license has been revoked. Young Marvelman is wanted for questioning. 23:22 Vegetable King: Magic wasabi, make my vegetables GROW!

Gargunza: “I’ve invented an acid that destroys rock!” Batman: “…Go on.”

A while there I was scared we were getting the Alan Moore version, of whom I've only heard frightening stories of. Instead I am introduced to the King of Vegetables and young Nastyman, and all feels wonderful in the world.

It looks like Young Marvelman can give Spider-Man some tips on how to rescue people falling from bridges.

"but I want Captain Marvel." "we already have Captain Marvel at home" lol

You can tell Victo is an alien planet, because hamburgers there are actually made of ham.

11:07 "But at least the danger is over... Hey why are the rocks glowing? On no they're radioactive! That can't be good!"

I can't wait to see the rest of Marvelman's extended family--Teen Marvelman, Baby Marvelman, Old Marvelman, and Girl Marvelman.

"Oh. I think I should go" is such a great response to when your weapon harmlessly snaps in half over your opponent.

So, Miracle-Marvel Man is to legal troubles what Hawkman is to continuity issues. Also, the transformation via mushroom cloud really makes it seem like MM belongs in the stable of heroes from Fallout like the Mechanist and Grognak.

The ill-defined period between the Golden Age and the Silver Age is often referred to as the Atomic Age (roughly 1950-1960) which had a huge sci-fi bent and was sort of reflective of people's fascination with space. The most noted character to come from this time was Captain Comet, but I think its safe to say that Miracleman has him beat in terms of modern day popularity. Which is fitting - I mean if the guy who yells "Atomic" backwards isn't going to represent the Atomic Age, who will?

Am I the only one laughing at the name YOUNG NASTY MAN???😂😂😂😂😂

Wow, when you said Marvelman was made to cash in on Captain Marvel you weren't kidding! Gargunza is just a taller Dr. Sivana with hair, they have "holy macaroni" instead of "holy moly" and it even looks like they're trying to ape C. C. Beck's art style at times. And man, I was laughing non stop during the "Young Nastyman" story. The funniest 5 minuets I've had in a while.

24:25 That really depends, if something as thin and flimsy as paper can cut people and paper is made from trees, it stands to reason that a properly sharp enough carrot probably could as well. Except... That's not a sword, it's a regular carrot.

"HIS THRONE" Was not expecting a Local58 reference in a AT4W video, but I'm not complaining

I genuinely want to know more about the doctor who can make antidotes for space drugs.

So I guess Gargunza one-upped Eggman and no-one knew it.

This is a bit of a trip having just read through the Alan Moore Miracleman stuff, seeing plotpoints that would later be used in that series.

History is a weird thing when you look back and see where one event just dominoed into something like this.

27:40 "it seems like Marvelman should be questioning these ludicrous things more" Yeah, that is weird. Someone should write a deconstructionist comic explaining why that is

Ya know why I love Linkara videos? Cuz no matter how crappy the comic is, at some point in the review we can all at least laugh at a little light alliteration. 😁

Marrows are a British vegetable. They can grow pretty big as well, some getting up to 5 feet long.

It's funny, Wonderboy came across my feed last night and been listening to it and now we get YOUNG NASTY MAN and the obvious reference to it. Seriously, the song still rips 20+ years later.

9:39 thanks to marvel trying to canonize Miracleman into the 616 ... this by all accounts could be canon

8:38-8:43: Oh I thought it was a book about the history of Jack Atlas. LOL. 12:18-12:24: Sounds like a great place for Princess Luna. XD. 17:21-17:27: Now I see why this episode took so long. It must have taken like a hundred takes to say all that in one sentence. Lmao.

I thought Young Marvelman's name was "Dicky Dongless" at first. It's a shame that's not actually the case because that would be hilarious

8:37 Alternate punchline: "Unfortunately, that was actually a copy of *Atlas Shrugged* that immediately turned him into a misanthropic supervillain."

Currently enjoying Neil Gaiman’s Marvel continuation of his Miracleman series, so this is good timing. Also trying to comprehend all of Gaiman and Todd McFarlane’s legal drama- really leaves you crosseyed. All to bring freaking Angela into Thor canon (see MovieBob's breakdown from... nearly a FREAKING DECADE AGO?)

Great review! I have a simple explanation for why there's a big hole in the cheese moon; Wallace got carried away and took too much of it! I tell ya, Gromit needs to watch Wallace more carefully! Keep up the great videos :)

Great video Linkara! A missed opportunity to make the joke at 20:05 was a clip of Batman returns Penguin “Why do they always gotta bring the eggs and tomatoes to these speeches?!”

I don't know what you would call that age of comics, but my guess is would be the electrum age. Since it's a gold and silver alloy.

Speaking of ripoffs, Young Nastyman there is a spot on one for Black Adam, with the same receding hairline and dark color scheme. And Gargunza is 100% Sivana's copy given the design similarities, mad scientist, nickname they call the hero being Big [Color] [Noun], and the uncomfortable 1940's racism with the big buck teeth and thick heavy glasses.

Wow Alan Moore being dark! Who’d of think

The phrase "Holy Macaroni" implies Jesus really likes Kraft Mac & Cheese

Pretty sure Marrow is just a Zucchini in Britain

"Behold... I teach you the Superman! He is this lightning... he is this madness!"

This is so complicated it resulted in Angela winding up in the Marvel Universe. I am as serious as a heart attack.

A secret to be told. A gold chance to be bold. And blasting forth, in three-part harmony.

Honestly, this comic is great. I can see why it was such a hit. Would you be willing to review more of it?

Apparently Image comics is also involved in the long lawsuit history, for whatever reason either Todd McFarlane or Neil Gaiman had Miracle man or MAN OF MIRACLES appear in Spawn where was essentially The Mother of God and the Devil. but because of all... THIS. That got retconned away. Spawn can be kind of weird...

Seeing Linkara use a Scott the Woz clip is a weird collision of worlds.

The cutaway gags were really on point this episode. Kudos

I'm surprised it took this long for Linkara to cover a bit of the grand history of Marvelman and I'm happy he did because like geez... the history of this hero's creation is the most noodle-knot experience you will ever learn. It is entirely insane but these old comics are pretty fun especially that Marvelman's greatest nemesis is some nerd. That's... wow.

You could rename the entire series as "Marvel Madness" simply because the whole backstory and every single piece of litigation towards it is enough to drive anyone to madness. That is unless Mark Cerny or Atari Games decides to sue because the name is a *little* too similar to the game "Marble Madness."

Ahh… the British Captain Marvel. That is definitely how you can tell Alan Moore REALLY wanted to make him edgy. I like Miracleman but man… it’s weird how much people take these old characters and instantly go ‘super edge dark’. Can’t blame em, I wanna do a super dark eldritch horror take on Stardust the super wizard.

4:08 Who, IRL or the Marvel U, still remembers when THAT happened? Will it be the same for Conan, for that hot minute he was in and out of the MU?

I literally clapped out loud at the Tenacious D reference. Well done

Uuuuuuuuuh, Linkra? Mountains do actually help in the formation of clouds. They often push clouds up, causing them to condense to the point of becoming rain. The mountains acts as a point where rain will happen and blocks it from traveling further.

‘It’s a gourd bitch.’ Could be the best out of context clip ever

21:55 The only other time I've ever heard "vegetable marrows" referenced in fiction is in Agatha Christie's work. Hercule Poirot is obsessed with growing the damn things, because if Sherlock Holmes has that bee fetish then by god Christie will give her brainy detective an eccentric hobby as well. Almost definitely some kind of English thing.

Now.to.wait.for.this guy to.enter the MCU.

I would honestly love to see a story where the supervillain attempts to defeat the superhero by suing them, and attempting to place a copyright on their name, that way they cant go out and be that superhero because they no longer have the rights to do so

Gargunza's monologue about mountains causing floods from snow-melt and forcing clouds to drench certain areas in rain while leaving other places dry is TECHNICALLY true...but in most places in the world where that stuff happens it's vital to the ecosystem. Heck, over three billion people in Asia rely on seasonal snow-melt from the Himalayas for drinking water and crop irrigation.

Great episode! I’ve never read these but heard about the legal issues from moviebob. I LOVED linkara’s cheesy grin after listing off the antidote ingredients lol

Marvelman, marvel at his manly ability to…..be a man of Marvel!

I honestly had no idea who Marvelman was and his history. Though, I was curious about it, so I decided to check out this episode.

Yeah, Gargunza is definitely slightly-tweaked Dr. Sivana. Young Nastyman seems to have a bit of Black Adam to him too, though it's not as blatant.

A marrow is a fruit used as a vegetable, the mature fruit of certain Cucurbita pepo cultivars. The immature fruit of the same or similar cultivars is called courgette (in Britain, Iran, Ireland, France, the Netherlands, Singapore, Malaysia and New Zealand) or zucchini (in North America, Japan, Australia, the Czech Republic, Italy, Germany and Austria). Like courgettes, marrows are oblong, green squash, but marrows have a firm rind and a neutral flavour ("overgrown when picked and insipid when cooked"), making them useful as edible casings for mincemeat and other stuffings. They can be stored for several weeks after harvest (like pumpkins and other winter squash), to be processed for food when required. They are a vegetable used in Great Britain and areas with significant British influence, though their popularity is waning in favor of immature summer squash like courgette.

When you mentioned we saw Batman take on Aliens my brain instantly jumped now we're going to see Tony!

21:53 It rings a bell but I don't think I had heard of that before either. Also, it's actually a fruit. Not that fruits aren't vegetables. Vegetables are any edible part of a plant. (Edit: 23:46 there's your answer right there) Course, when I was a teenager, I also originally thought "dragonfruit" was an artificial flavor like blue raspberry or a couple of those weird Kool-Aid flavors.

I wonder if there will ever be another Marvel and DC crossover. iI there is and they don't have the Miracleman Family meeting the Marvel Family, it will be very disappointing.

FYI - I started reading Marvel Man in Warrior. The owner at my LCS over ordered on it, and gave me a deal on the first several issues. Re: Name change - No, they never addressed it. Eclipse republished everything that had appeared in Warrior (B&W), in color, and he was just always Miracleman. In Moore's ret-con, all the stories you reviewed actually were dreams. My first exposure to Captain Marvel was through the DC comics title that ran from '72 to '78 (I was 7 in 72). The ones I really remember were the 100 page super spectaculars which had a lot of the reprints of the Golden Age stuff. As a young adult, that made it a lot of fun looking for places where Marvel Man 'borrowed' from Captain Marvel - from 'the Big Red Cheese' to 'Holy Moly!'. 'By Hackenslack', though... You wonder if he inspired Officer Krupke? And finally - you know what's weirder than a doctor just happening to have an antidote for a potion from an alien world? Being able to get it through the skin of a member of the Nastyman family with a regular hypodermic.

I have to wonder if Linkara doing the 'His Throne' thing was creepier for people who get the reference or people who have no idea what he was doing.

I never knew that Linkara wrote his script on really looonnng pieces of paper!

Ah, good old Golden Age silliness at some of it's finest.

I'm honestly surprised it's taken this long for something Miracle Man related to get a Patreon Request. Regardless it's good to see a Superman Analog focused series get covered.

There's a real uncomplicated innocent charm to all this. Some unambiguous good guys tossing around some hilariously over the top bad guys, what's not to love? I'm probably a bit too squeamish to ever try Alan Moore's run, but I might try to pick up this. I always do love a good Golden Age/Silver Age comic.

17:21 Man I would love to see Linkara cover something Red Dwarf related someday... Also fun fact about marrows: one was a plot point in the Wallace & Gromit movie: Curse of the Wererabbit. (which apparently caused an argument between Aardman and Dreamworks)

A lawyer themed superhero "or who we kidding supervillain" would be an awesome idea. You'd think they'd be ineffective at their job but a flick of the wrist and blammo; A cease and desist appears faster than lighting. One that wouldn't physically stop a hero no, but rather would legally stop them! Truly nothing is more scary than bureaucracy.

I'm a little familiar with Moore's Miracleman run. It's pretty good, albeit couched in Moore's trademark cynicism of Superheroes + Humanity = Bad that he later went whole hog on in Watchmen. Miracleman at least still has some real poignancy to it. Still, I prefer Alex Ross and Paul Dini for my "realistic" superheroes PS, for anyone curious about the bizarre legal history of this character, Moviebob did a couple of episodes on it. Look up "Marvel Mess" and "Miracle, Man." Good stuff.

Nice innocent, physics-breaking world-dooming fun of the Golden Age.

12:49 I was waiting for that joke and was not disappointed, bless you Lewis.

9:23 “Wow! I’ve ruined the world!” Needs to be a new meme for this channel

Imma be honest. I was walking around my house to grab a drink from the fridge, then I heard Linkara bring up the "King of Vegetable Land" and I couldn't help, but to pause for a moment for that to process.

To answer your question about the name change in the end credits: no, the name change to Miracleman is not addressed in anyway in-universe. Marvel seems to be using the original name to refer to just the original Mick Anglo version, with Miracleman referring to the Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman runs. In the later case, it’s just treated like his name has always been Miracleman and never anything else.

This was great I've wanted him to cover a Marvelman comic for a long time now, and I highly recommend checking out the new Miracleman series.

A Vegetable is just an edible plant, all edible plants are vegetables, including fruit. Just a fun, pedantic fact Linkara!

I'm waiting for Marvelman to get a movie adaptation that Alan Moore will hate.

Vegetable marrow is British for zucchini. I looked it up after first reading the term in an Agatha Christie novel. I was confused about what Poirot was growing in his garden.

based on this comic, the British Golden age was goofier than the American one.

The Miracle family’s unwillingness to question their world was explained and retconned in miracleman #6(a personal favorite). Rather similar to what happened with the doom patrol when Morrison took over and asked “why did the chief make an evil looking giant robot?”(besides the standard reason anyone would want to build a giant robot(BECAUSE THEY CAN AND IT’S FUN)) Also as a fan of young miracleman I am as stoked about MM:silver age continuing this year as you were with titans rebirth. Also also, 22:14 princess peach tried but I don’t like her chances against MM.

0:07 - Ooohoo! Now you know what it's like to do intense research like Phelous. :P 18:17 - Well, you may think about his future Alan Moore style. I personally think he'll go from Little Lamplight to Big Town.

Asparagus spear, make my marrow grow!!

Oh wow. It's weird seeing a 'well fitting' Scott the Woz clip but I am all here for it!