I feel like he and hardcourt would be good friends 😂

In terms of X-rated violence, I think Lobo was the first time they embraced it, and even then, it was in the context of space and alien adventures, not down to earth realistic stories. DC in the early to late 1980s was a mixed bag but its my favorite era. Its also my favorite era of Batman writers (Mike W. Barr, Bob Haney, Gerry Conway, Neal Adams) and artists (Jim Aparo, Gene Colan, Frank Miller).

@@juniorjames7076 Yeah, Lobo was another level on the graphic violence scale; far worse than Punisher. But you're right, slaughtering space aliens and the undead seemed to be more acceptable than slaughtering drug dealers and terrorists. DC had a lot of good "mature readers" titles in the late 80's but they kept them at arm's length from their squeaky clean core universe before the Vertigo titles. My how times have changed.

......even more grim than the two stories Alan Moore scripted for Vigilante? I wanted Chess to work, but it seemed dilute compared to Vigilante.

@@zacetto I LOVED Moore's Father's Day arc but it illustrates a good example of the difference between Adrian Chase and Frank Castle. Chase is consumed by self doubt and guilt over his actions while Frank has no such issues. If Father's Day was a Punisher story it would have been 6 pages. And I'm totally with you on Checkmate (I think that's what you meant). I gave up after 4 issues.

I'd argue that DC ushered in the "Mature" line of comics back in the mid-eighties, and not just through Vertigo. You had Green Arrow, Swamp Thing, Animal Man etc. Multiple comic arcs in thier regular titles "went there" in the 80s, including Batman and Teen Titans. Marvel was much more "wholesome" than most of DC. DC was straight up killing multiple regular characters left and right even after Crisis. Let's not even talk about traumatic experiences because DC was doing that consistently more than Marvel, and those events stuck. After awhile with Marvel, something traumatic would happen (death, devestation, charcter switches) and they'd be forgotten a few issues after, only referenced during convos. DC laid groundwork for multiple iconic arcs years in advance, including Zero Point, Cataclysm, Doomsday, Reign Of The Supermen etc. DC was not so much "wholesome" as it was considerate of its own history back then.

Yeah, I only get to know the character on arrow series, I find the character so appealing that I had to read wild dog comic, it a shame they didn't make more out of it

That show took a huge dump on Vigilante.

@@ricosuave6898 Nope. That's the Peacemaker show that does that to Vigilante. Turning him into a typical crowdpleasing comedic relief weirdo like Marvel is currently doing to Moon Knight. The producers and writers of these comic book properties do this to every character they're afraid casual audiences won't care about. Skurge, Ultron, Klaue (or Klaw), M'Baku, Korg etc. The list is big. One thing Arrowverse did was not turn its comic characters into comic relief. The shows nay have underutilized many in its casts in various ways, but they always get decent arcs that feature actual humor occasionally, not turn them into one-note jokes. The "Vigilante" on Arrow was a mix of all the comics version, where Peacemaker basically turns Adrian Chase into a comedic relief weirdo. Hahahahaha! So funny!🙄

@@SpiderSimpleton Well, I'd agree that Peacemaker's version of the character is far worse than the Arrowverse version, I'd also agree that death from anal electrocution would be worse than death from venereal disease. I wouldn't willingly subject myself to either. I think you're far too kind to the Arrowverse version which has nothing to do with any iteration of the character and whose actions, at best, could be said to resemble only the extremely short lived Alan Welles version of the 1980's version. Arrow's character was Vigilante in costume only and they used Adrian Chase's name to fake out lore savvy fans by making him Prometheus instead. In the Adrian Chase Vigilante run, on the day Chase became as indiscriminately dangerous as the Arrow version of the character, he went home and killed himself. I think the writers of both shows, as well as the editors at DC think of Vigilante as a throw away, despite the fact that his biggest problem was being ahead of his time.

@@ricosuave6898 Arrow was never centered around Adrian Chase to begin with, so that version of the character was free for reinterpretation. Same thing that went down with Felicity. Same with Deathstroke. Same with Damien, Ray, Cisco, Iris, Constantine, Jonah, Leonard, Mick, or any other character in the Arrowverse. I'm not a fan of every interpretation or how the characters evolve on the shows (they butchered Hank Henshaw on Supergirl, for instance, but they also had a comic accurate Eobard Thawne played by Matt Letscher). They are hit and miss on those shows, but they at least treat the characters like they have...character. Even at their worst, which is very often, they don't just have characters on as something for casual audiences to latch onto by making them comic relief. Even when they have that opportunity before them, they show an angle that not even the comics went into. Example, how reliant the Rogues were on Leonard's leadership. Rory was lost without him. They lightly touch on this in the comics, but in the show there were multiple episodes where it was explored how Mick is a co-dependent criminal that needs someone to control him. The comics always showed Mick to be a bit one-note, but occassionally he'd reflect on his love for fires and realize it was unhealthy. On Legends, he's always struggling with this fact. I give these shows credit for treating the characters like canvases to explore deeper things. With "Adrian," they were exploring how extreme GA could possibly get and it was also a callback to the arc of the first season. That's the DC style long-game they played. It served a purpose within the show's constraints. And it was good. They essentially combined multiple DC characters into one person. They've been doing that in media beyond the original sources for decades. Hell, even Wilddog on the show wasn't as accurate-to-the-comic, but he served a purpose on the show, and it was a decent representation.

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And yet nobody bats an eye when there are Wolverine & Punisher team-up stories.

Love the WILDC.A.T.S. Grifter, warblade and maul are 3 of my favorite characters

@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286 Funny Thing I Almost considered Hardcase from Ultraforce which were acquired by Marvel and Nightman too.

@@jamalvargas6146 interesting

@@jamalvargas6146 the authority is cool too. Midnighter is a fucking badass 👿🦇🌑

The creeper, such a badass and one of my favorite characters

It's possible that these writers may have ties with any politicians or lawyers that got them hired.

@@tunebeat3809 well the creator of the new miss marvel was a politician.

You didn't read into the subject material behind most classic comics they have always been political

@@nicto13 not really, they was basically force into politics because of ww2. remember batman and superman fighting hitler. plus ever heard of the phantom and other pulp fiction characters? most of them don't get political. You probably saying that because you agreed with the politics. I hate modern day politics in media because they are to much on the nose and have horrible writing.

@@NerdXZ-pn4nt you must not be a big x-men fan or a big 80s captain America fan or are you a DC guy no green lantern/green arrow no superman with Luther as president comics have never stuck their head in the sand when it comes to public issues

Also in arrow

Goal tending is a basketball thing my dude thats a hockey goalie mask

@@nicto13 a goaltender mask = hockey mask SMH

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If you have read wild dog, then you would know that the personalities are very different the only thing they really have in common is the hockey mask. Then you may as well say, Casey Jones is a Jason rip off.

Casey Jones is a Sportsmaster ripoff. Google that name, read when he was created, and learn something.

@@SpiderSimpleton I know who sportsmasters is, after I wrote what I did I then realised I could have said sportsmasters.

He came out before Casey Jones, smh. But, he exists... Because Terry Beatty lived in the Quad Cities for a while, and found that there were no Superheroes IN the Midwest. Sure, some characters came from the Midwest (such as Hawkeye and Superman,) but there were none IN the Midwest, all of them moved to the coast. So, Max Collins and Terry Beatty hand been working together for a while, so they challenged themselves to making a Midwestern superhero set entirely in a real-world Midwestern city. Or, in Wild Dog's case... Cities. He's specifically modelled after a Midwestern cultural thing that they dub, "Making do," where those of us in the Midwest tend to improvise and use make do with what we already have. This is reflected in Wild Dog having a cobbled together appearance, using stuff you could find in your garage and a Dick's Sporting Goods. So, tldr, he exists for Midwestern rep. Which is another part of why the Get Joker twist on him is so terrible. He's a representation of the Midwest. How's this change going to reflect on the people he's supposed to represent? Not all of us are conservative meatheads.