Your right , this was a big hole and thanx for spelling "Valeryons"(Targaryen,Valyrian,Valeryon)correctly (celtagar like "hey what about us"?)

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Could you imagine Daemon and Daenerys somehow getting together to reconquer Westeros? Now that would be wild lol

RIGHT?!?

🤣🤣🤧

It's because of daemons actor saying daemon will probably side with Dany lol

Epic of Gilgamesh records this tradition. That book is the oldest in history

There is no evidence that Edward I enacted or enforced jus prima nocta nor that he ever encouraged his men to abuse Scottish women on their wedding nights (abuse could happen on any day). There is some evidence that lords would accept a bride as a bribe to avoid marriage taxes or such. Medieval records didn't really mention prima nocta with the exception of noting who abolished it like Malcolm III who supposedly abolished it in Scotland in the 11th century, although prima nocta was referred to in stories to show how either the villain was bad for enforcing it or the hero was good for defying it.

@@cauzie8281 when people became aware that the more powerful you are the more you get away with, using position for immediate carnal satisfaction

it was often used by conquerers to "sow the seed of their people" and has also been used to make the conquered people "their people." the english lords used it from time to time when they conquered lands. If I remember correctly Mary Boleyn was a victim or "first night" and gave birth the Henry the 8th's only son but he died at a young age. I'm not sure if that is true historically or not though so please don't quote me on it.

@@silvermoon9186 I mean, abuse of women was common and the common modern understanding of consent was quite different to the ancient understanding at least in literature. The Ancient Greek stock pose potters used to indicate marriage was the same as the one for kidnapping for example. It was common for invaders to ‘marry’ women from the country they invaded and it is true that women didn’t have the right to say no in many of those instances. But the ancient literature almost always framed the idea of taking the innocence of another man’s bride as generally bad and shocking. As for Mary, while Henry was a guest at her first wedding and there were rumours of an affair and possibly illegitimate children, there is no way he demanded her first night on the basis of prima nocta. She was nobility and they generally were less likely to put up with that kind of behaviour than the serfs, although even the serfs were prone to revolt if the lords got too callous with their power (see Pilgrimage of Grace). We know that it was considered barbaric by then because just a generation later, Shakespeare used it in Henry VI to make Cade’s rebellion look like the bad guys. Also, Henry acknowledged 3 sons: Henry with Catherine of Aragon (died in infancy), Henry FitzRoy with his mistress Elizabeth Blount and King Edward with Jane Seymour who reigned for 6 years before he died at the age of 15.

And her son wasn’t a bastard.

@@krystalt3374 yep and his parents are marry before he was born. John Snow was born out of true love.

Yall know jon is still a bastard right...Rhaegar Targaryen was already married when he married Lyanna..That was no longer excepted in Westeros, It was allowed for Aegon as he was a conqueror, but that's why we don't see it anymore

But nobody knew , and it was left a secret. So it was thought she was a commoner.

@@rentfreeinyourhead713 Isn't that only in the show?..

Yes lol

Yeah but the difference with Rhaenyra is both she and Laenor claimed those children

@@pastelpuffs I agree 👍

@@pastelpuffs that doesnt really have anything to do with the fact that her kids are dragon seeds but just from a female targaryen. doesnt matter who "claims" them

@@aims_plays But it does though?...Dragon seeds are bastards left unclaimed and their called dragon SEEDS because it means that a man has spilt his...yk what. Rhaenyras situation is completely different, how can you call them "Dragon seeds" if nothing was spilt😂

At that point, why not just let the Lords have selected concubines then? I mean....

@@thalmoragent9344 because the faith is strictly against multiple partners

Was this the only issue with the others? Because I'm convinced yes there's some creepy bad north magic but has it been proven if others don't get sacrifice they get agitated? Because you have people conquering lands other people were in first. The children of the forest made the night king. They don't say a lot further back than him

are u from persia? i didnt even know this

Yes and every lord or khan the name we know them with done this evil act and in some cities and town's people didn't let them do it because people were and still Muslims and some were forced and in the end killed themselves after the lord or khan slipped with them some didn't go back to their husband's and lived alone till there death's and all this was a paradise for khan`s or lord's but wen Reza shah came he crowded himself king or shah and took the power to himself and abolished the rule of the lord's and imprisoned and executed every one who wanted to do this devilish act you can learn more on the internet by searching Reza shah or what happened in Iran after ww1

I know some of it because some of the victims were close friends and relatives of my family who lived to tell the horrible things that happened in Iran and all this tragedies came 1400 years ago by Muslims who attacked Iran for the sole reason to spread Islam but after that some used Islam as a cover to do whatever they want like the modern they Iran we are still in dark times

You can find more trusted information on the internet for more deep stuff and ....

Define "rape". Afterwards, ask yourself if all the common women were against having a child with a noble man. #Think!

@@ericpowell4350 You sound like a Republican around a group of 10 year old girls🙄🤯...

@@ericpowell4350 not all bastards were looked after, securing zero position for their mothers. The women may have been in love with their husbands who are likely to reject them, or even beat them or kill them. The women would now have no financial support no prenatal care, with a bastard to raise. THINK!

No how matter how much u deny it Jon is a legitimate targaryen 1st by blood and in terms westros law.

@@rafz9147 Nope, his dad was already married to someone else. Jon is a bastard.

@@rafz9147 She only states that Jon is not the last Targaryen. Not that he is not a Targaryen at all

@@rafz9147 are you sure you're replying to the right person lol

Amen.

So true 😆 I think they did this 1st night the same reason rape is always weaponized in war. It's meant to psychologically traumatize the people (by attacking the vulnerable) you are trying to subjugate

Yeah I get what u mean but I suppose it's coz no husband would want to help raise their wife's bastards, and they're usually the primary if not only providers of the family.

Plus, you need a Targaryen blood with his mother was hard Targaryen, therefore making him part Targaryen not his father or Lord Corley what has been a dragon rider too

So that's maybe really his 2 kids and not his dad's interesting.

Remember to stop watching after series 4 and return to the books for the rest😉

I had to skip the last part of the episode when Ned killed Lady. Fuckin’ Joffrey.

Don’t watch season 8 just don’t. GOT will die for you and you will never ever want to watch another ep again or ….maybe you’ll love it🙄

Me too, I am on season 3. Love it

@@CallMeKittyRawrr and yes, hate 8 season 😭

I think they'll have Nyra go truly mad after the deaths of so many dragons, and makes her paranoid thinking that nettles was fucking daemon. Either that or her going mad truly drives him to find comfort with nettles. Nyra was truly mad near the end of the dance of the dragons.

Yes, in Age of Ultron, during the Who-can-lift-Mjölnir-contest,Tony Stark jokes about re-instating this custom if he succeeds at lifting Mjölnir and thus, in his mind, earning the crown of Asgard. Creeped me out, tbh...No, Tony, no! Not funny!

His mother is Ashara Dayne.

@@sophiawilson8696 *For the last time with you Imbeciles,...* *Rhaegar + Lyanna =/= Jon Dayne you Fools of fucking Tooks (-_-)!*

Y’all are joking right did you not watch that shiitty season 8

@@brojero4525 Im sayin this clown thinks Ashara Dayne is Jon Snows Mother... 2+2 =/= 5 (._.)

@@AlexLopez-vm7uq missed the sarcasm 😂 my fault

Reign, I believe

@@ShroneJohnson Thank you!

The Velaryons and Targaryens mingled long before Corlys and Rhaenys. They weren't dragon riders by trade in Old Valyria, but they were a noble house and a very wealthy one, so its very likely they had the dragons in their genes aswell.

@@poeticalvision I heard somewhere that if a non dragon blood tried to mount a dragon they may meet their demise. But even if you have dragon blood it may still happen, it's just less likely.. Orys Baratheon (A Bastard) has dragon blood and no dragon. You'd imagine the Baratheons a better choice than the Valyerons who are sea dwellers by blood.

@@poeticalvision nope they didn't before Rhaenys married Corlys. Targaryen women before Aegon's conquest would naturally marry their lord brother/uncle ..they won't send their daughters in another family to make them dragonriders....but Velaryon women would marry Targaryen males for getting pure valariyan bloodline

Exactly, the 2 houses intermarried which is why the children could ride dragons

​@@poeticalvisionThe conquerors mother was a valerian.

I always thought that maybe she didn’t want him because he was Roberts and that they abandoned that plot line.

@@seafoxx777 I think he would have been killed when Robert died in favour of Joffrey. The lannisters and Hightowers are like birds of a feather

Well, probably shameful to most seeing it, and as he said, many of the husband's of course wouldn't bother with them afterwards.

The movie is called the Warlord good movie. 😉

@@sheiladaniels364 Ah! Thank you! I have a half memory of watching it on a very bad black and white set perched atop an old dryer in my parents' kitchen. Seem to recall lots of people wearing very blonde wigs who were I believe, meant to be Flemish (?), but the woman in question sported the uber Welsh name Bronwyn. All very amusing. I was about 9 or similar which seemed to be the correct age for it.

Prima Nocta

@@informedconsumer5293 Abso-bloody-lutely!

How do you think I was created

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gtJ9mKlz0Lqoc6c.html I believe it’s this you’re talking about? It’s a show called Reign. I’ve never seen it (so I have no idea how good it is) but I recognized the main actress from multiple multipart edits of shows haha. It’s a CW show based on Mary Queen of Scots. It had really inaccurate costuming from what I can tell but I think that’s fine as long as it’s to tell a story or make a comparison to how the actual fashion felt when it was popular; For example, when the Baz Luhrmann version of great Gatsby used contemporary music to give us an idea of what it felt like to be listening to jazz back in the day. Sorry to ramble, hope that helps.

It was seen as weird and not normal in Westeros but it's hard to tell a family with Dragons what to do

Also cercei was married to king robert, so it was a twincest affair, making all her children bastards and not leaving an heir to the throne

@@sageshaney Have you read the books? Targaryen incest was strictly about them believing they were the superior house and wanting to keep their blood line pure. Plus it was probably so normal to them because of how common it was that they were already feeling an attraction to their siblings, cousins, or aunt/uncles from a young age. I mean, they don’t have many friends.. family is the closest thing to them. My point is It has nothing to do with their continued control of the dragons….If it did and that was something they truly feared could change, then EVERY Targaryen would have married within the family….which didn’t happen. If you knew the ACTUAL storyline, then you’d know that the Targaryen’s control the dragons with magic.

@@sageshaney lol. & Now im 100% positive you never read the books and don’t know the ACTUAL storyline, just the interpretation…. Because Targaryen’s are NOT immune to fire, literally NONE of them are 🤣 that’s a common misconception and something that the directors had to ASK George R Martin to make Dani immune for the SHOW… but everyone who knows the actual storyline knows thats a show only detail. Just Ask yourself this… How did all the Targaryen’s (besides Aegon and his two sisters/wives who left BEFORE the doom) die burning to death in the doom during old Valeria if they were immune????? It’s so crazy to me though that you watch a tv show and suddenly think you’re educated on every fact about it…. You couldn’t be more wrong. They didn’t control dragons with their blood 🤣 dragonlords controlled their dragons differed from culture to culture. Some suggest that they used magic and blood SACRIFICE, whereas others say they were taught by ancient people from Asshai. But yes magic comes out of the air, as they have to be TAUGHT lol. If it was a blood thing like you’re saying then ONLY Targaryens would process the skill of magic….. which ofc isn’t true. In the books, Euron Grejoy procures a Valyrian horn called Dragonbinder, said to bind dragons to his will. The Targaryens and the other dragonlords of Valyria used them as well.

@@sageshaney please please go back and either read the books, or at least do a little research before getting in a debate with someone who actually HAS read the books and know what the genuine storyline is…..

Clearly you didn't listen to the next sentence.

No, that is something that happened in a movie. Movies are movies, not history. Theres not a shred of evidence the practice existed in england.

@@whitewhale9012 mate I'm from Scotland and I know our History it was portrayed in the fantasy film Braveheart but existed in real life.

But she tried to kill kettles on a rumor

@@dellavonta187 well that wasn't just because he was maybe probably banging her it was because two other dragon seeds had betrayed her and went rogue. So she's like these people can't be trusted. And he most likely was f****** her so the misery was being very truthful.

@@dellavonta187 Not for love rumours more because of betrayal and threat to throne.

The white worm and Daemon were still having an affair even though he was married to Rhaenyra. Then he had an affair with Nettles as well, Daemon was never faithful to Rhaenyra. He was only faithful to his second wife Laena Veloryon.

It’s odd that she had no problem with Misery but despised Nettles

Well not Coreys but when a Velayron married a member with *dragon blood* in their veins, their offspring will have the ability to ride dragons

@@goldendemise3165 Right so if Corlys fathered the "dragon seeds" they wouldn't be dragon riders

@@madeleinedacey8489 Corlys can't father any dragonseeds, since houses Velayron doesn't have the *dragon taming gene*, they only have access to it when they have targaryen blood In the family.

@@goldendemise3165 his mother is a Targayen that pretty much sums why he's a rider

@@goldendemise3165 his mother is a Targayen so yes he can he has the genes hence why he's a dragon rider and is capable of fathering them

Corlys’ mom is Targaryen so he has the dragon rider blood inside his veins as well.

yeah corly most defenitly has targaryen blood he just didnt end up a dragon rider alot of targaryens and velaryons were married together including aegon the conquerors mother who was a velaryon

Lyanna Stark got black hair.

@@LadyG509 So that mean all the Targaryen's didn't all have the white hair. I guess that shows that most of the ones that weren't born out of incest would have a different color hair. Funny how on house of dragons all of the King's kids have white hair and none have hair like their mother. 🤔

@@lenorawilson2326 it's called GREAT WRITING....

Velayrion has targaryen blood and when a targaryen is married off. They had already conquered dragons and had picked a few eggs when they would have children. Normally when they knew they were having a child an egg would be selected. The targaryen parents inherits dragon eggs for their children to have and potentially one day to conquer the dragon or be killed by the dragon

@@tanianixzsmenchsharefort but he doesn’t, he’s not a dragon rider, only his children bc his wife has Targaryen blood. I’m talking about Corlys Velaryon bc in the video they say its his bastard but its not possible for his bastard to ride a dragon because his lineage aren’t dragon riders, that’s why they made their fortune through the sea with their ships. So your comment wasn’t useful.

@@seeliefae574 Well. There's a high percentage on one these 4 scenarios or anything else lol... that chances are they may not be his. 2. the dragons take after the Valyrian blood and allowed it. Rider or not it doesn’t mean the dragons don't sense a/the ancient bloodline. 3. They existed for 172 years along with the targaryen and they could have targaryen bloodline. 4. Both dragon seeds are everywhere and they could of mingled. Including the mother lying or didn't know who the father was. So it could be any of them or even any dragon seed bloodlines which the mother could of lied who the father was. It could be anything since the author never answers most of plot holes but gives more questions, easter eggs and little clues. Maybe he may answer it before the last book if they are completed But we all could be wrong even those that doubted his son had those kids. He could of been drunk or drugged or anything and his son is the father of those kids

@@tanianixzsmenchsharefort You need to read the actual book or watch videos of people talking about the book because there’s no way a velaryon that doesn’t have Targaryen blood can have a child with a non Targaryen and that their child become dragon rider. The other houses of Valyria that could ride dragons were destroyed with Valyria and the only reason the Targaryen survived was because of a vision and they fled to dragonstone. That bastard isn’t corlys’ son.

@@seeliefae574 I did read them and they left first and may have been a lower class but we're never given a chance to ride. Only the powerful could. When the bloodline of conquering dragons started. They all could and from there factions broke in the hierarchy of who could to the lowest of the lowest Valyrians

Clearly you didn't listen to the next sentence.

My mother’s ancestry is strongly influenced with Scottish and Irish blood. My ancestors on my father’s side going back a long way, were Welsh. Home of the dragons 🐉. The Welsh flag 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 bearing the Red Dragon, representing their biggest victory against the Romans. Our house Coat of Arms being that of a Lion and Raven. The past is something we learn from. In essence, to never commit such atrocities again. What was done to the Welsh, the Scottish and the Irish was horrific. No person should have to go through the trauma of being imprisoned and raped on their wedding night. No husband should have to endure that either. Learning about our ancestry is yes interesting. You speak of yours, as if it’s something to be proud of. Well, I’m afraid it’s not. Besides, your ancestors hosts were no better for allowing it. They were not “True knights”. Any true knight, would never do such a thing. The French, showing the very best,of true chivalry.

Reign on Netflix, it's loosely based around Mary queen of Scots. It's a little bit cheesy, but worth a watch!

@@mariahlamb2983 thank you!!! omg I forgot all about that show! I must finish it!

He knew nothing. Poor Snow

Definitely happened . Speaking as a scotsman

He’s still right.

There both gorgeous but older Rhaenyra is not beautiful

gross.

Both are supposed to be beautiful because targaryens were unconventionally attractive but daenerys is supposed to be extremely beautiful even among them

The Targaryes didn't start this

@@sophiawilson8696 they perpetuated it though.

@@Tarnished-bn5gq They really didn't as they basically bribed the people.

@@Tarnished-bn5gq Why watch if hate Targaryens

@@michonnewalker4246 same reason I watched GoT. I wanted to see Daenerys’ Ozymandias style downfall. Same goes for this show, which leads to said downfall.

It is a tradition and custom, just like how americans get circumcised despite not being jewish, baby mutilation is even more disgusting

Have you never heard of it? Did you not watch game of thrones

So, you don't know the midieval history this is derived from? Typical. 😒

Horrible things, such as fgm, circumcision, arranged marriage and human sacrifice have been tradition and custom. Some of those horrible things still occur with societal approval. Something being traditional or customary doesn't make it right. If you argue for circumcision for infants you're wrong too, it's just as bad as fgm. Hygiene is a horrible excuse. Grown men can choose to be circumcised, babies are victims.

@@BillyBasd dude. Keep your politics out of the GoT comments.

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