I've gotten used to it...I miss Kimball and Landcaster and their comedy magic. Chris would have moved on, anyway. Just as well...

ATK is better without Kimball.

Worse. 😟

Better

Way better. He’s an ass on camera. I love the Milk Street recipes but I just can’t stomach Kimbell.

I have to agree

Agreed. ATK's original space was too small, so they went to a newer larger space. How scandalous!! How shocking!! They test the recipes lots of times and lots of ways! Boy, didn't see THAT one coming. The hand models are asked to get manicures once in a while. Boy, I'm glad they told us all about that one. Fairly good piece, way overblown headline.

Mashed is desperately looking for clicks.

@@timdelaney2798 So that's why they're re-hashing a story that's already widely known.

Au contraire, and I believe you captured the hidden agenda in your phrase, "every media company." Christopher Kimball may have inadvertently created a media company, but he ran it like a cooking laboratory with its own professional journal. When ATK found itself awash in success, Big Media came calling. It turned a cruise ship into a naval cruiser, a visionary quest into a search and destroy mission. Granted, the facilities are better, but were followers aware of any facility deficits in the "old days?" Were there labor problems and anti-union rhetoric to digest? Were there major cutbacks and layoffs? But this is, as you suggest, a typical American business story. As President Coolidge preached, "The chief business of the American people is business." Our only quest is for the American dollar. Christopher Kimball cared about the best recipes for baked beans. David Nussbaum cared more for counting beans.

I just HATE!!! misleading KZfaq video titles!!!! That's a word I seldom ever use for anything, but damn it! It's just wrong because it is lying.

Even in paradise, you have problems.

I agree. It's a great cooking show, and the same can be said of Cook's Country. Actually, Christopher Kimball's Milk Street is really good too. I used to watch a lot of Food Network, but to a large degree they've gotten away from instructional programming, so I pretty much stick to the PBS cooking shows. I've learned a lot from them.

I literally didn’t know how to boil an egg when I first got married. Now I’m an accomplished home cook (if I do say so myself!) and I credit the magazine and the show and all its iterations for 90% of that knowledge!

Clicks!

People REALLY need to stop taking these titles so seriously…

@@QueenOfTheNorth65 I watch something based on the title. If the title is misleading I am going to say so.

Because internet.

It's the AI.

Yeah, that was disgusting.

But what is the pay? Remember when the San Diego fast food workers went on strike because $16/hr wasn’t enough? Now a lot of them are out of work because companies can’t pay $20/hr and still be in business.

They aren't paid well for Boston. $20 - $21 as test cook starting out. ATK doesn't have a particularly good reputation as an employer in Boston either.

​@@a.mathis9454shareholders and executives are more important than workers. In the 70s, CEOs made 23x more than the average worker. Now CEOs make 300x the average worker and often cash out after 5-7 years. McDonalds CEO received almost $14M in stocks and options, $1.3 million salary and another $4.4 million in incentives. He also received $356,706 in “all other compensation,” which includes use of the company’s aircraft, contributions to retirement plans and other compensation. The CFO package was $10M while the foreign and American president compensation averaged $8M.

All of their main employees make vary good money. I'm not sure what their behind the scenes staffers make but their major and minor personalities make very, very good money!

No they aren't and you would know that if you ever signed the front of a paycheck not just the back.

Your one good point is that they sued him - they were afraid of letting him have his own continuing idea, and they owned the rights to his previous (same) idea. They should have just worked harder, let Chris be Chris, and see who excelled...

@@perotinofhackensack2064 And Chris should have been grateful for ATK funding his idea. Millions of good ideas don't get that chance.

That is not the job of a CEO

@@1OKToni No, the job of a CEO is to whine about hard-working people wanting to be paid a larger fraction of the value they create through actual effort.

You have no idea what you're talking about. But hey, you keep fighting for that $15/hr.

@@kinjunranger140 He told you the absolute truth. But hey, you keep trolling for that extra 0.01%

How much do you think he should be paid?

It happens all the time. It should be a big lesson. Don't take your company public! Disney, WWE, Etsy, and there are many others where the person who created the company gets kicked out by the board after going public.

What happened to Etsy

@HopeLaFleur1975 Etsy was a site created to help artisan craftsman sell their wares, but in recent years, it's become a marketplace seller of crap goods in order to appease shareholders and make a bigger profit. The problem is that many people have stopped shopping on the platform because you're not sure of the quality of the goods anymore. There was an article out a few days ago stating that they wanted to get back to their roots and go back to selling only craft goods!

Look up the history of the Blue Cross and Blue Shield

Look around at the food youtubers and you'll find a lot them are film and communications majors who needed something to video themselves doing and picked one of the easiest things with low effort and high variation. Babish, Alex, Adam Ragusea, etc. Even before KZfaq, Alton Brown did it.

you accept that is fact from this poorly made, poorly sourced video? "I am sad to hear THAT"

Especially considering the results. All those professionals going through the process, and it's just like Chili's makes...

Banter

And steaming my hard "boiled" eggs.

From what I've read you have the minority opinion, but I share it. I mean. Please. The cackling matrons left there now? Good Lord... It's painful and repetitive to watch-- them knowing they have to manufacture banter or "humor" as they present. Chris had more personality (even though dry and a edgy) in his pinkie than they have in, well, whatever you want to say... Milk street is great.

Not really, he was seeking fame and, there was too many cooks in the kitchen! Hint,; he’s all about himself and, on America’s Test Kitchen he had to share the spotlight with several others! 6:12

He essentially got demoted because he was a terrible CEO. This video is so slanted.

Typical corporate behavior. Destroy a good company and rip off the money. Mis-management 101.

There is a reason those others were support in front of the camera.

I like the new lineup better. Kimball's cranky Vermont guy personna was grating after so many years and the show now has a more ensemble feel.

Guy who built the brand from zero vs empty suit who just figured out where the cafeteria is.

Totally agree. This video says nothing about how staff cheered when he left. He financially ran ATK into the ground, which is why they had to bring in outside investors, who naturally wanted to get the business back into the black. This is such a hit-piece. I have to do a sarcastic little “boo-hoo” to the whole unionization thing: the employees unionized an outfit that barely made any money, negotiating higher salaries and benefits, then feigned surprise that the staff (from a completely superfluous unit) had to be downsized in response.

The whole cranky Vermont guy schtick grew very tiresome. Haven't missed him at all - he seems to have toned it down for Milk Street, which seems a much better fit for him.

You're speaking absolute TRUTH. Our Murican necrotic stage capitalism is just-plain cancerous. The cult of infinite greed.

Not all workers are worth a "living wage." One then has to wonder exactly how to define "living" with regard to "wage." Considering how many people live above their means, does that mean that employers have to support that as well?

"too naive a businessman" - he built a minor cooking empire when at the same time, they just said that in the beginning, he actually couldn't really cook. That's not a good business man?

Wow. You're so far off target with this. Workers need unions now more than ever, and if you don't understand that you're disconnected from reality.

@@alfgwahigain5544 I'm IN a union and wish I wasn't. I've been in plenty of them! Including IATSE which is a NEEDED one because of the dangers in that area. But as you're probably a leftist liberal, you of course LOVE all the monies that siphoned off of peoples paychecks to support all the leftist trash that union leadership pushes. Where were the unions when Biden trashed all the pipelines? Those were UNION jobs! Where were the unions as car plants were shut down to send over to Mexico or cut back because the EV's don't require as many workers to build? The REALITY is I'd rather negotiate based upon my value than have some person TELL me that my work is the same as another person who puts in HALF the effort, just because they have the same title. I saw this when I was at a federal depot and a UNION worker was making over 80k to simply drive around a golf cart! While others had to make up for his work. Or the school teacher who couldn't be touched because of the UNION that protected him, even though his "work" was to write on the board, what chapters to read and to do the questions at the end, while he read newspapers ALL DAY! Yep, THAT is the REALITY!

"To never work for a union?" Do you mean wor for a union as a staff member?

Well, you see what's happening to fast food places in cities/states requiring $15-$20/hr for burger flipping.....they're having to raise prices (ouch in this economy), let people go (like ATK had to)...or just go out of business. Sure, we ALL like to make as much as possible, but some jobs just pay less than others....either deal with it or look for another job, but forcing a company's hand will often result quickly in reduction of workforce. Simple economics IMHO.

What was yuck about it?

@@perotinofhackensack2064 their nastiness, the way they treated the contestants, their obvious biases

Your investor class mentality is what will cause America to become a third world country!😢

Unions get people paid fairly and prevent safety from being a myth. Payroll has never been large enough to be the cause of a company's failure. Layoffs happen because products don't meet with adequate demand. Look at marketing decisions. Look at excessive CEO pay packages. And look at how much money shareholders are bleeding from the treasury (dividends, share buybacks) without producing a penny of value.

Oh, you genuinely believe the workers asking for fair pay and better conditions is the problem, not actual corporate greed? Terrible take.

@@alfgwahigain5544 Oh, you genuinely believe that the workers weren't being paid a fair wage and struggled under poor work conditions (with no evidence) and that the sole reason for the existence of corporations is not to find a balance between profit and employee retention but just to be greedy oligarchs? Liberal take.

Profit keeps the whole organization afloat. I can see you've never run even a lemonade stand.