Saving David from his brother in the end is a universal decision that all my Shepards would do no matter what their alignment it is.

As someone with Autism, I can confirm that we do have the ability to communicate with synthetic life and calculate the square root of any number

Honestly if they had squad mate interaction in this DLC it would have been incredible. If you brought Jack with you, she should have ripped Archer apart regardless of what your choices would be. This could have been used as a way to brake Miranda and Jacob’s loyalty to Cerberus.

When your Paragon Interrupt is to smack Dr. Archer with your gun, you know he's an evil SOB.... "It all seemed harmless."

"David is a mathematical savant." Okay, but how the hell can his puny human vocal chords perfectly mimic geth sounds!?

Seeing David again in ME3 after I saved him completed this story for me. I cried during this story. It was so heartbreaking. The ME3 encounter fulfilled everything about it when you save him off the station for biotic kids.

ME2’s biggest flaw was the general lack of squad dialogue or interactions. Outside their designated scenes, the squad members only said something special once in a blue moon. I was genuinely surprised that they were so friendly in ME3: I was half convinced that most of them hadn’t even met before.

I am on the lower end of the autism spectrum, I must say this DLC is not offensive at all. It does what any great story does, it asked a moral question that is relevant in real life without reminding you about the real world or focusing too heavily on the question. This asked a valid question which is, "should people with savant type skills, which are very common benefits associated with autism and other psychological disorders, be used for their skills?" and, "do the ends justify the means," but they wrapped in a beautiful and heartbreaking story, with challenging gameplay, a great soundtrack, and medical-accuracy. Mass Effect is the king of this kind of storytelling, I could never walk into a bar and poll people to choose between the genocide of millions or brainwashing of millions to help understand human nature, but I can do that in a story, such as the Geth Heretic story.

I just completed this dlc with legion in my squad. And he actually does so signs of being taken over by david. Squad members have voicelines when they do abilities, like his shield boost, or drone. Or when ever they last hit a target. Some of the voicelines for Legion are in the "blurry" variant that david uses throughout the dlc.

I'm an autistic man. I played this mission fully aware of the contents, and I still left it with a bitter hatred for Dr. Archer. I wasn't so much offended as much as I was appalled that someone would do that to their own sibling, especially a disabled one. The behaviours David portrays like stimming (constantly naming square roots, fidgeting with his hands) and requesting that there'd be less noise is actually very accurate toward at least some autistics, and I thought it was well depicted especially from a somewhat aged game. I don't think people are necessarily "offended" by this mission. I wasn't a huge fan of how it was written, but it's not offensive. My only questions pertain to the writer's room and who the hell thought it was a good idea to bring it across like they did. I'd have wanted them to be a little more tactful, but then again we're not really supposed to like Archer or Cerberus all that much. That said, I'm only speaking for myself here, I don't claim to speak for other autistics, or that their opinions on this mission are wrong. If someone else finds it offensive, who am I to tell them they're wrong?

So many awesome moments with legion you'll almost never see due to putting you on a timer the moment you get him. And if that doesn't happen you'll usually do everything before hand unless your willing to wait until after the final mission. Plus I don't think I've ever seen a single paragon option where Shepard is both actively about to shoot someone in cold blood and genuinely enraged enough to display what I was thinking at the time.

damn seeing david like that wants me to save him all over again

Projekte Overload, a new way Bioware made us cry over Math. .... And it all seem Harmless.. The Squareroot of 906.01 equals ...30.1

(Sees legion picked) Okay good. (then sees Tali skipped) You fucking what!?

The gruesomeness was probably not the controversial part. ... having a misunderstood group of people being stereotyped is more like it, but it's not even that. There is, as mentioned in other comments, some great storytelling and questions asked etc., but I've seen some people in frustrated tears when they realise they cannot punish Archer for the inhumane treatment and torture. People can relate hard and thus feel like the game's really unjust because there's apparently no way for renegade shep to shoot him (which is a 'solution' elsewhere in many other situations in the game), paragon shep to somehow defuse the situation even better and make Archer repent, nor can he even be sent to prison. It's that "how can they [the devs] just let him go without showing us they really believe he was an awful person and that he did unacceptable things to David" that really get some hairs pulled. At least in ME3 the interaction with David is very sympathetic and supportive.

He can "speak" to the geth through omni tool translation software, most people have it in the mass effect universe. At least this is how I explain it to myself.

Im just glad the legendary edition toned down davids screams. First played it with headphones back in the day and my ears are still ringing

ME2 was already short on interactions between squad members. The DLC was worse but the main game only the character whose mission it was interacted with Shepard, the other squad members never matter with the exception of legion for tali's loyalty mission.

It’s sad that Legion is the last person to join and it’s late in the story and if you want to spend anytime with him especially on missions it means sacrificing the captured Normandy crew. After acquiring him you only have time to complete his loyalty mission. Are there any side or other squad mates loyalty missions where you get unique dialogue for Legion?

When I played this I knew the cliche off the bat. What I didn’t know was how twisted it was. Cliches can be turned into amazing stories of done right. This DLC was one of them. Yeah, it’s dark and horrible, but it’s what makes it so good. You feel horrible for this guy and you become way more invested. If it was just some AI wanting freedom it wouldn’t have hit so hard and so well

None of the squad mates talk during this DLC-I believe the voice actors were on break.

I liked the gameplay but hated when the VI would "scream". I usually turn the subs on and the sound off when playing it.

David is mimicking by hearing the noise, applying "perfect pitch" to associate certain notes in the noise with meanings determined through observation of patterns in Geth behavior as well as raw numerical data (possibly binary translation), then doing his best to repeat the vocals similarly within human limits. Though the game is exact with this, this would obviously be the developers crunching for time and cutting a slight corner. Where we hear a perfect Geth noise from David, what is truly happening in-game is David speaking "bad Geth language," while still being understood. This would be much like a visitor from an English speaking country visiting, say, France, and NOT being fluent. The nuances and accents, even verbal shorthand and dialects may be off, but the native speaker understands enough to respond in kind. If David is even more adept than this description, it would elevate to him being as if a speaker of Parisian French on vacation in Corsica, a region with a somewhat different accent, dialect, and phrasings to common meanings. Basically, though we here him make the mechanical noise, he would truly sound more like a child imitating a Jurassic Park velociraptor with a much more refined control over pitch and frequency (each noise being clear and separate, though sounding organic in origin). The Geth picks this up as understandable and Geth-like, and since it is severed from the greater Consensus and is basically disabled itself, it may make assumptions that David is an injured Geth, or that its own auditory processors (mech ears) are damaged, etc., thus allowing David to bridge the gap in communication. What David does would never work with a unit such as Legion, not just because Legion speaks translatable organic language(s) (since translators are standard, we don't know what he speaks...He may speak Quarian, being a creation of theirs, and we are simply hearing English translated from it)...It would never work on other Geth because they would be smarter, being linked to other Geth that accumulated would bolster intellect, allowing thoughts such as "He sounds weird. My auditory processors must be malfunctioning," to become "He is a human capable of imitating Geth language, albeit crudely so. W should extract him for further study to assess possible applications for organic-synthetic negotiation, or even future collaboration." That is the difference of a few hundred local Geth, and hundreds of thousands across the Perseus Veil. ^^^ Mathematical Savants are more likely to have Perfect Pitch (hearing a note and knowing which it is) because it is based in math (frequency of sound and its intensity). I've found as a high-functioning autistic (once coined as Asperger's Syndrome), that many voices are easy to mimic from a base; Urdnot Wrex, Primarch Victus, the Arbiter (oddly, due to inflection, not so much Admiral Anderson despite the same voice actor), the Master Chief, Gregory House, Gravemind, all three Prophet Hierarchs, Shipmaster Rtas Vadum, and 3-5 characters from Star Trek...I'm not perfect pitch, so I have to adjust the structures of my mouth, nasal cavity, and throat, as well as manipulate my breath to meet each voice. That said, they each are somewhat gravely, deep, and extend their vowels more than most. THIS kind of examination and performance is what David is doing far more instantly and easily in his head before opening his mouth to practice even once.

To me Mass effect two last boss and what happened to David is the creepiest thing I’ve seen in gaming when this game first came out. Hell the last boss is still damn creepy

Interesting vid as always. Always love learning about the little tid-bits of Mass Effect

Interestingly enough you meet David and his brother in ME3. David helps u with a bonus on grissom academy and his brothers one of the scientists held up with jacob

What happens when I take Legion into Project Overlord? *_My game crashes._*

Overlord was honestly a great DLC, loved the shakeup of gameplay with the vehicle sections and the ending.

"More controversial today than when it was released" Yup thats the story of many things lol

One of the best DLCs. Love the music.

Overlord is awesome. I can't see why anyone would skip it.

I did not play Overlord when it first released as I had already beaten Mass Effect 2 by the time it dropped. Upon starting my playthrough of Mass Effect 2 on the Legendary Edition I was very excited to try all the new DLC. This mission was a freaking blast and I wish I would have waited until I got Legion. I am tempted to go back to just before my Overlord save....

Bro i just finished the dlc and while having my dinner i was wondering this baam you uploaded thank you so much 🙏☺️

That's the first time I've seen the David scene where he has red eyes instead of normal eyes. That a glitch?

Given how it’s heavily implied that Legion is the FIRST geth to rebel, it would be impressive if he could have been controlled

The weirdest part of this mission is that you can do it before the first Firewalker mission, you just suddenly have Hanmerhead 🤦‍♂️

Is it possible in ME3 by editing the save file to bring Legion to Grissom Academy and let him meet with David? I wonder if he has any left out dialog with him?

I might missremember something but I was told that you are able to visit the DLC missions after the end of the main game. But my game always restarts bevor the suicide mission.

One of the best ever story driven dlc i have ever played even the music fits so good, I have chills everytime I play it andi completed about 3-4 times now

I always save David from Cerberus and his brother all the time and I know the developers added real-world problems like racism and discrimination

The funny thing is, for the Geth Fighter Base mission in ME3, Overlord is directly mentioned by Legion (He states that its the reason you are able to enter the Geth Consensus after he made some modifications), and there are references to it scattered elsewhere in ME3 as well

As a man with Autism this DLC ending made me cry.

*Me who only uses the Tali/Garrus dream team combo:* "Interesting"

wait howd you get that chest piece and where do i get it?

I think this mission was freakkin good, nice addition to the sidestories!

Thanks to the coubtdown after acquiring the reaper IFF it's almost impossible to do anything with Legion, unless you don't mind sacrificing part of your crew.

I need explanation what are DLC in Mass Effect about, but for totally different reason: I don't know which mission is DLC and which is base.

Totally agree if one dlc was going to get a work over with a lot more content it was this one , no mention of whether they are heretics or just normal geth, no mention or elements from me3 , this could have been the moment where Shepard first saved the geth by removing David’s expanded and corrupted mind from the node, but also David wasn’t hostile to geth,so gave him A program to help him be more normal , this could explain why David was more normal at grissium, as well as why Cerberus wanted him back

Seeing him in ME3 was so rewarding and if you bring EDI to Grissom Academy, it’s the icing on the cake! I thought I wasn’t going to see him but when I finally did, I cried tears of joy! 😭

Been a long time was sweating mass effect like hell

David was basically a genius when it came to math.

Overlord made me cry again in LE man. Like in the OT it wasn’t that detailed (PS3) but the amount of detail they actually made it even worse they made Gavin look like a monster with the torture he inflicted.

Are you risking losing some of your crew if you do this? I forget the mission allowance after the Reaper IFF mission.

DR Archer: "Ok david im connecting you...now" Vi: "DO YOU WANNA MAKE A 1.000$ A DAY? EVERY DAY?" David: "OH GOD PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!" Vi: "...Raid...shadow...legends!" DR Archer: "Calm down David!" David: "QUIET!"

I would have loved to have seen the squad reactions to this DLC. Miranda, Jacob, Jack's, Samara's, Legion, Garrus, and Thane's reactions woukd have been interesting.

Seeing him in Mass Effect 3 made me happy

The squad dialogue and even Shepard dialogue outside of obvious conversations is scarce. I think for most of the DLC's they didn't want to pay or simply couldn't get the voice actors to do lines (busy on other projects or what not) so you get a lot of parts that feel like characters should have some type of response or dialogue like a normal character would in certain situations but instead get awkward silence outside of their combat dialogue.

Don't think I've ever played this, will be interesting to play it in the LE.

I love this mission as I have brother with altruism and it’s nice to see a studio tackle something like this.

Christ they actually made David's eyes blood red. I actually thought it was a glitch. I can't believe his brother, he tries to rationalise it but its monstrous even the Illusive Man sees it only as a setback. I actually relate to David as I'm also on the Autistic Spectrum with low level aspergers and I'm honestly glad we don't live in an age of Mass Effect technology if it would cause people to shred Autistic peoples sanity for their own uses. Sorry I know this video was about legion on the overlord mission but I had to rant about it. I'm glad the game gives us the chance to send David to Grissom Academy

Why David have Red eyes?

Overlord has a part in a mission in ME Andromeda

The problem with many DLC is that they feel like DLC because they were made after and they didn't get the squad members VA's back in to record any lines to make them blend in much better. I'm currently playing through LE and I never had any of the DLC before but it's usually quite obvious when they pop up

it's best to do project overlord since it has an affect to a few missions in ME3

If overlord didn’t have the stupid hammerhead I would really not dread playing it.

Overlord with legion and tali at least from a gameplay standpoint is way to easy especially if your Shepard has sabotage as well you can leave the fighting to your enemies

Supposedly if you do Legion's loyalty mission where you recruit the geth before this dlc Archer ends up shooting himself from grief and regret that his brother went through all the torture for nothing.

David Archer... one of the greatest quarterbacks of the 80s and 90s. 🙃

This one freaked me out in LE, didn't really know about or play it back in the day. Had a System Shock vibe, felt kinda bad leaving David with Cereberus but goin full Renegaddddeee.

i wanted to be able to beat the hell out of archer at the end of this. there was no catharsis.

I never know which squad mates to bring for Overlord. Miranda would be interesting to confront her with Cerberus' unethical experiments. Jack would be interesting because she herself was a victim of Cerberus' experiments. Tali is the Geth expert in the crew. Legion is a Geth himself. But apparently it doesn't matter because there is no unique dialogue whatsoever. 🤦🏼‍♂️

Im so lucky I didnt know how Overlord ended the first time I played it

He has mastered the Beep Boo Boo Bop

IIRC, you don’t actually get interactions with any of your squad mates during the Overlord DLC, because BioWare didn’t contract their VA’s to provide material for it.

Thanks.

So, disappointment happens if you bring Legion?

3:25 Controversial? Have you seen Servitors from Warhammer 40k.

It still irritates me that Shepard didn’t let me shoot Dr. Archer. That was one person that deserved it

Godfucking damn it even 11 years later i still remember what the square root of 906.01 is, why would anyone skip this DLC is beyond me!

Still one of my favourite DLCs of all time.

I hate this mission and i hate gavin archer, but at least it gave me that really nice scene with david in grissom academy, i will never, ever let them kill or send him to cerberus, even at full renegade its not an option

I always do it for the sake of Mass Effect 3 I'm not entirely sure but thank you get War assets if you do it but the mission is a bother no dialogue with squadmates makes it hard for people who like to role-play like me

I keep thinking wouldnt it be fun to play all the missions where theres some interesting unique dialogue and every time I look into this is the level where its at. a throw away line at most. The easy thing to do would be to blame EA for forcing them to rush all these games out. And like every game released under EA has had similar problems. I keep wondering what the games would have been like had they been given proper time to be developed.

Why do people say its controversial? The whole point is its being stopped. I dont understand what makes this document controversial

I don’t think they were missed opportunities. Adding those opportunities would have distracted from the story and emotions provoked by David. Though, could be a rush job, but I think the story for overlord was good as is imo

For the language thing, we all know that computers speak using quantum bits. You know, 10010...matrices and such. So, they’re saying David is that talented that he can speak literal code (which is just math). Obviously this is a bit of a stretch but we are also in a world where we can travel FTL without any damage to our bodies and equipment, can wear solely a mask instead of a helmet even in different atmospherics pressure environments so...

As an autistic person I feel bad for David

Why skip dlc you paid for

Cool 😀

That a m920 on your back? 😏

*That* was the controversial part? In a game where you routinely mow down dozens of enemies and people are blown limb from limb? I thought it would be the portrayal of David coming off as inauthentic or something. This is Mass Effect, though, not Spielberg. It's a space opera. All of the portrayals can be a bit hackneyed at times, but you roll with it. I liked the DLC, and particularly the VI talking to you through the screens throughout the mission but being unable to communicate in a way others found intelligible. All I know is, in Mass Effect whenever you find a lone scientist begging for help in a laboratory where everybody else is dead you KNOW that person is bad news. Only the evil masterminds survive the schemes they hatch. Always save a round of ammunition for the last cutscene. 😂

wow, a 5 min vid for 5s clip, nice

Screams!

so this could be a 10-sec video saying "nothing"

They were rushing to get it out because two letters EA

2:16 😂😂💀

I do this DLC because of the extra dialogue you get in ME3 as well as saving David Archer from being consumed by the VI. I dislike how he was treated because it shows just how f*cked up Cerberus really is.

Tl;dr a little bit of dialog. Nothing else.

4 minute long "Nothing but this 1 line"

lol too many mass effect vids? never heard of her