And shepards possible baby mom

And Liara is bad at that, like every other character and their mother knows her "job"

Javik is the troll king of 2 cycles in a row.

That's not even trolling though. He's just stating the obvious (and kind of calling Liara a dumbass at the same time).

+reddwarffan8888 REKT

+everythingisfire But... Liara is right. Beacon activates even if you don't take Javik on the mission. And it clearly communicates with Shepard.

effEKT!!

If you were the last of your kind in a world full of aliens and saw something humanoid, wouldn't you smile too?

Nick Corvello ikr Bioware should have added Javik as a character to the main story

Goodsman Mastermind Rather, EA shouldn't of twisted their hand.

FORMINCRAFTIA well its EA, what do you expect? I feel ashamed this company' headquarters is just a town away from me :(

Nick Corvello lol i wish i just can go there and tell them the problems with mass effect 3

Goodsman Mastermind id walk down there (i think i could actually do a 3 mile walk over there if i wanted) and give them a piece of my mind but i feel security would boot me out beforehand :P

At least at this moment.

Not yet fully anyway. Have to say the indoctrination theory is my head cannon

I don't believe he's fully indoctrinated until he gets to the Cerberus base.

@@OfficialFedHater i don't think the writers intended for anything like this though

@@bekirkl4658 No, they flat out said they didn't. It's still my head canon though.

And the fact that asari in the council deny the existence of the Reaper Is So DUMB. I'm like WTF is being ahead more important than the galaxy

@@gibbyfraustro2509 Ye, asari were selfish.

@@gibbyfraustro2509 Nobody ever actually activated or spoke to the prothean VI. So technically, the asari did NOT have proof that the reapers existed. The beacon detecting shepard and his cypher is what finally activates the VI stored within.

@@precisemotion I refuse to believe that the arasri did not have at least one person be affected by the beacon

@@gibbyfraustro2509 The beacon and the VI are different. The Vi only responds to protheans. Did you not even play mass effect 1 or listen to the dialogue in this scene and see the pillars respond to shepard? Only shepard could activate the VI because he received the cypher, which came from the Thorian, and then Javik because he literally is a prothean. How would the asari have? Can you explain?

(Glances at Benjamin Sisko)

Ahhahahaha

A true hero for the ages.

It's also Precursor living time from Halo

Because Disney can copyright the Normandy.

@@dr.chocolates2630 I will throw the primitives known as "Disney" out an airlock.

Did he eat your cereal too?

@@OfficialFedHater Totino pizza rolls microwaved. Hot on the outside and cold in the middle. Guy's a psycho.

Oh god, kai Leng is so bad that he killed your computer!

Killing people to help the terrorist group that he serves become the master of the galaxy is pretty bad, but when he toasted your computer things got personal. Make him pay! 😄

THAT'S FOR MY GPU, YOU SON OF A BITCH!

"They used to eat flies."

+Luke Mitchell "It is true... They were a delicacy in my own cycle"

Javik is actually fond of the "Primitives"; he just likes trolling them.

+Elias Javik the Trollthean.

"Amusing, the Asari have finally mastered writing."

+MrRemorseless Maybe its a bug or Team Helmets are turned on

+MrRemorseless It's because he put the "Squad Helmets" option to "on". Unfortunately, in this game, breathing masks count as actual helmets so you're stuck with it unless you disable helmets for everyone (except Shepard of course).

cause not wearing a mask is a good way to get space aids

MrRemorseless lol

AlienPOD On consoles it's under the Game play settings in the options menu. I assume it would be the same on PC?

the real mistake in it, that you could kill Leng easily here, several times, with the right combos. but no.... the "badass-sceen-cheater" must defeat you..

Gábor Orosz Cutscene incompetence was a recurring problem in ME3.

Commandant Obvious correct

If only the AI Shut up and just answered the damn question instead of trying to explain shit we already kind of figured out on our own. (SPOILER) When you get to the Cerberus Base he can explain it in one sentence 'The Citadel is the Catalyst' IF HE FUCKING DID THAT THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR THE LAST THREE LEVELS OF THE GAME. So many people would have been spared, but Noooo, they have to try to explain everything and THEN answer the freaking question.

***** He missed because the plot demanded it

you mean the seasons ? like winter ?... or more like in a vedic/hindu kind of way? samsara?

Marc Dufresne More of a universal kind of way. Kind of makes sense that given similar parameters systems would behave similarly over time, in the me universe this is further advanced through the reapers intervention.

+Andy B. This is true in our universe too. Like the saying those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

+Andy B Battlestar Galactica, Caprica Six says "All this has happened before, and all this will happen again." cylons everywhere!

Andy B leviathans started this eons ago, shepard ended it, legend!

Yeah, suddenly they seem much less smart.

indoctrinated presence detected terminating it's life bit by bit

Nigerian ;)

Javik knows da way

Jamaican? I thought he was some sort of outer space potato man.

Yeah more like Nigerian warlord

they wuz protheanz an shieeet

Except the Prothean splinter group wanted to dominate the Reapers as the Protehans had dominated pretty much all other life in the galaxy. The mission of Cerberus is that Humanity is better than all these other races and should then not worry about the fate of species like the Krogan and the Asari.

Evan Nesbitt nah, by the time of Mass effect 3, where Cerberus is at their most active and open, TIMs’ viewpoint has definitely become to try and dominate the reapers. Even if that wasn’t the objective of the group when he first created it, it still ended up becoming the human equivalent of the Prothean splinter group.

You have to notice throughout all the other games that people aligned to the Reapers thought they were doing the right thing for the right reasons yet instead were doing bad things. Saren, Udina... Cerberus went full indocrinated when they started attacking the galaxy in ME3. They "thought" they were helping, but all they were helping were the Reapers. That's the beauty of the Indocrination. Even the super smart Illusive Man wasn't aware he was indocrinated.

What I find interesting about indoctrination is that it doesn't only exist in a fictional space game, if you search for the official definition it means ''the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs'' everybody can be a victim of this, even wealthy and intelligent leaders will do things that they perceive as the best choice to the detriment of others.

MrCrazyClaw, Reaper "indoctrination" goes way beyond what we can do in the real world since it involves actual telepathic mind altering and gradually damages the affected person's brain.

Control is what they already have basically, synthesis is what they've always seeked, and destroy is chaos unless Shepard's cycle proves to be different like it hints and the synthetics they inevitably create will be at peace like EDI and Joker or the Geth and the Quarians. It's still a shame Shepard can't challenge the Catalyst's logic by using EDI and the Geth as evidence of a peaceful pattern of created vs creators.

+Linkenski The likes of reapers have seen countless synthetic-organic relations for thousands of millennia, & have concluded long ago that without synthesis--something organics are usually very unwilling to go through, those relations will eventually always suffer. even if Shep brought about a successful reconciliation between the Geth & the Quarians, & then EDI to bear, the catalyst would just dismiss these to be extreme, isolated, outlier cases, & not worth fighting over.

Falcon Windblade "The likes of reapers have seen countless synthetic-organic relations for thousands of millennia, & have concluded long ago that without synthesis--something organics are usually very unwilling to go through" I believe everyone who played the extended cut understand as much, but the problem is still exactly this; The empirical data in the reasoning is missing from what the player can relate to; what we have seen throughout Mass Effect 1 and 2 and 3 until the ending. There is no context beyond what the Leviathan or the Catalyst talks about. You can buy it if you're okay with *their* version of the events, but Mass Effect as a narrative was not about the story the Catalyst is referring to, and thus it becomes an incredibly weak ending becase you're forced to consider such a huge choice for an issue we've not even experienced, we've only been told about it. It's basic "show don't tell" done wrong. It's the typical example of what bad writers do. The Geth and Quarians is a complete strawman argument in relation to the Catalyst's story. In good stories the events reinforce whatever will be addressed in the ending to form a conclusion -- it's like writing an essay or a bachelor. You make exposition, analysis and perspectivate. A leads to B, B leads to C so as a reader you can follow the logic. In the ending you can't because information is too vague or missing to resonate emotioanlly with any of the really effectively written events *throughout the trilogy*. ME3 doesn't follow through, and it doesn't matter how much some vague lore of millenia ago justifies it; as a *story* it completely fails to resonate. It's just bad storytelling. I would even argue Mass Effect 3 is barely a story anymore by the time the ending happens because there is no flow of logic that leads from A to B to C. Instead there is "A to B to ??????" or "?????? to ?????? to C" The flow of events in the story don't follow. It's not a proper story

Linkenski I'm stating that from the reapers' point of view, whatever argument Shepard can throw doesn't hold water at all. that's all i'm saying. i don't like the ending just about as much as everyone else. & the fact that cyborgs can be made throughout the galaxy with just a beam of green energy flooding places is goddamn sloppy & ridiculous in the first place.

How's that? Even after aligning the both Admiral Raan states the conflicts are possible. It's only a matter of time between a rift is open between Quarian conservatives and Geth, again. Synthesis is the best logic because it is the final solution that the Catalyst never came to understand hence the endless cycles. Had they done synthesis in the first cycle and nobody would've have needed to be exterminated.

+Naomi Amani Except the fact that Shepard isn't indoctrinated like the Illusive Man and his ilk.

firefox3249 I personally believe Shepard was in the process of the Repears attempting Indoctrination on Shep. That's the canon I believe that it's Shepard's mental battle fighting the Reapers influence. The ILM is already in it deep though most definitely Whatever the end sequence was of ME3 he basically tries to stop Shep bc he thinks he can control the Reapers but it's logically impossible.

Naomi Amani You fail to realise an important factor. If you've ever read the Codex, you'd know that long term indoctrination is a slow process that takes weeks to complete. Shepard wasn't exposed long enough to any Reaper elements in order to get indoctrinated. Also, do not forget that the "Indoctrination Theory" is 100% fan made and that Bioware never confirmed it.

firefox3249 Personally I can never accept the star child Shepard-deity BS they tried to throw us in the ending. The Indoctrination Theory may not have been confirmed by BW but I can't accept these supposed "choices" they gave us in the end which realistically aren't possible unless Shepard just knows space magic or is "The One" now. I have to disagree that Shepard hasn't been exposed to Reaper signatures long enough to be affected. The Reaper IFF in the Normandy is one factor I think can't be ignored. Shep has also been exposed to Reaper tech around the Universe which even when out of commission can still affect people. Shepard is too big an asset in the mind of the Reapers to not try and take a shot at infiltrating one of sentient life's most prolific leaders. They could have killed Shepard multiple times easily. I don't think it's pure luck and skill that Shepard is still alive. Nothing in the endings were very conclusive so the way people interpret the ending of the trilogy I feel will be debated until the end of time based on how they believe is the "right ending.". I respect your opinion though.

Naomi Amani Yeah, Shepard did get near Reaper elements (the IFF isn't one of them), but he didn't stay long enough. While he still can be indoctrinated over a short amount of time, he'd end up a mindless drone really quickly (in a matter of days). Seriously, just read some entries of the Codex and you'll confirm it yourself. Also, the star child story is kinda shit. I'll give you that one

+Sextus70 Kai Leng was kinda cool in the books. They made him kinda gay in the game, which is a shame...

TheCrusaderBin Personally, my main problem with him is that he is too one dimensional and undeveloped in the game for a main villain. He is the stereotypical and plain forgettable henchman working for the "big boss".

+Sextus70 Also they cocked up either the gameplay or the script, so he ends up looking like his real superpower is making everyone forget about their powers the second a cutscene happens. Like how when he fights Thane, the rest of the squad presumably stands around awkwardly just off-camera instead of filling him with bullets. Though Shepard never seems to have biotics in cutscenes, either. Maybe Kai Leng's real superpower is that he _retains_ his gameplay abilities when a cutscene happens, instead of losing them like everyone else?

Dylan Darnell You are right! There is a lot of plot and gameplay induced stupidity (for plain and bad managed plot convenience) in the cutscenes where he appears. His jobber aura through the game (yeah, he is augmented and all that stuff, but still there are biotics in Shepard's squad which are more than a match for him) is ridiculous and subtracts credibility to his character.

+TheCrusaderBin He was great in the 1st 2 books, but had a massive character change in the final book as he now "understands" why people think Asari are sexually arousing, whereas in the previous books, he finds even the idea disgusting. There's also the various "subtle" story changes on Cerberus' side and with Anderson's side. Basically, Book 3 was written by a different person who BIOWARE didn't even check to see if they read the previous books.

ME3 was cursed feom the word go. The crucible itself was the origin of the problem.

I don't think so, the dark Energy was supposed to accelerate the aging of the stars (Harmstorm sun)/assimilate the Galaxy It shouldn't be able to influence the conflicts in the Milky way It's not sentient

Douglas William well we know based on the prothean way of life from Javik, it likely would've remotely fired it to destroy all Synthetic, and thus would've saved the entire last fight from happening, if it was successful.

TGGeko i know i do :P

Look I love Liara so much but sometimes she just needs to be quiet

Ah man never laughed so hard at a KZfaq comment

I just drone out whenever the lady beside me starts talking

She was too annoying and is basically an Asari version of Mordin so I romanced Tali instead.

edi/garrus. strongest combo imo. I always pick them.

You're right about 1, but not 2. 2 was all about building a sizeable crew and their unique dialogues when taking them on missions.

@@lawlestest liara/garrus for me xD.

+Sherab Tod The council races would've likely been more prepared for the reaper assault. Hell, humanity might have found the plans for the crucible a lil sooner since they didn't start digging on mars again until right before the events of ME3.

+James Sinn Indeed aside the fact that the crucible is a trap.

+Sherab Tod possible that they would keep him in ice or kill him too.. for fearing the myth th unknown

Natasha Zinkiy we will never know.

+Raven Strategist Yes, indeed. I was angered when I discovered that the "last hope" all the galaxy worked so hard to build was just a part of the master plan of the Reapers to force you to submit to their terms.

nope, they are 2 different people zaeed was DLC from ME2 and can be found/recruited in ME3 pending you recruited him and he lived thru the suicide mission at the end of ME2....... or you can take the easier route and recruit him and kasumi in the post game to guarantee their survival and still see them in ME3

Creative Gaming actually i did the first option twice

Creative Gaming You pretty much automatically recruit Zaeed when you arrive on Omega, of which you have to visit to get Mordin.

@@ARCEUS493ZELDA I think recruiting Zaeed makes the suicide mission MUCH MUCH easier since you get another 4 score person for the final hold the line.

Hahaha lmao

+Leon Valenzuela It goes as far back as ME 1 on Ilos as Vigil also has Indoctrination Sensors as it sensed Saren was Indoctrinated but not Shep and Co.

The Indoctrination Theory doesn't say that Shepard is indoctrinated. It says that the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate him/her and they succeed if you pick Synthesis or Control.

What is bad about those options? Both lead to peace.

IMO Synthesis is the true ending for this plot about Organics VS Machines war since it unites the impossibly irreconcilable difference that is inherent to Creators and their creations's evolutions. Control is just a band-aid that is slapped on since it is admitted by the Shepard consciousness within the Reapers that its not sure if s/he is still the same Shepard that decided this conclusion. And that Synthesis needs the highest EMF points needed to unlock.

+J. Louie Dinorog What if it didn't give me the option for synthesis. what did I do wrong???

It also gave us a Shitty ending whose only difference was the color of the Explosion and literally nothing else.

I agree. I think unmystifying them by saying that their creators still can be found in this cycle was dumb. The Leviathans should've been an extinct race and only remains from their time should've revealed the origin story, not directly from the horse's mouth... the same goes with Javik to be honest. I like him, but I wish they hadn't made a living prothean in our cycle be a part of the story because it cheapens the fiction IMO.

Demon Hunter They would still have their origin, whether you like it or not

Demon Hunter Explaination always destroys the mystery. You can have your own answer for a never officialy solved mystery.

+Linkenski I agree to a certain extent, until the part with Javik. i like him in the game & it kinda collates with the fact that for most of the time, you can't defeat an enemy you know next to nothing about. having him here gives lotsa insights about shit loads of things, making defeating the reapers somehow actually look more feasible. the Leviathans on the other hand, is an incredibly dumb move. the whole shit had been going on for millions of years & the Leviathans are supposed to be older than that. you'd have thought that the reapers would have found the remnants of their creators somehow throughout those millions of years, & wiped them out.

prothean sugar dadday

I always loved and do love(yep still do reruns...man o man every rerun i find something new..a new piece of dialogue to new loyality..etc) Garrus and Javik..OR Javik and wrex (when available)

Beastly Form I'm guessing whoever recorded this did so on a PC and this is just a mod because I remember playing on my PS3 and there was no such mask needed

MatserSensui It's a setting you can toggle in the options for helmets on/off

also...they are came through a battle field to reach the temple....may be liara wanted protection from dust and smoke

Spoiler Obviously::: Basically Reapers are not in control of the cycles because they are tools of it. Explaning the origins makes it easier to understand you should get it better after reading this Leviathans a ancient race travelled all around the galaxy and subjugated species they encountered. The species served them and in return the Leviathans looked after them. They noticed a cycle where synthetics created by the species they ruled over kept on rebelling and wiping their creators out so in response they created a The catalyst with it's sole purpose to preserve life. The Catalyst created a pawn army to gather genetic data of many species around the galaxy using that data it came to the conclusion that the Leviathans were a part of the problem so the Catalyst turned against it's creator the Leviathans. It used it's army of pawns to almost wipe out the leviathans, then applying their genetic material it [[created the first reaper]], Harbinger. The Catalyst's solution was to [[use the reapers]] to harvest organic species at the apex of their existence every 50.000 years, preserving their DNA to construct new reapers after each harvest a new reaper is born. So essentially they're destroying advanced species before they have the chance to create vastly superior synthetics that will rebel and destroy them in turn cause chaos and destabilize the peace and balance within the galaxy. In short Breaking a cycle, with another cycle that has less ramifications - hence reapers not being control of they cycle.

ace9846 play the game. it will make sense.

ace9846 So, basically, the one/thing who was behind all this was the Catalyst? That's the mastermind?

Bipedalius Australopithecus Basically yes, after it screwed over it's creators.

ace9846 the reapers didn't screw them them, it was just following their own directive to by any means necessary stop wars between synthetic and organic and by following that saw that the creators "leviathans" were part of the problem as well... but the reapers are also inherently corrupt in their own thought process and can't see any other solution to the problem hence why the cycles just continued and continued ....

+Steven Its just a leftover story plot from the original writer of the story. He planned a more mystically ending with the reapers being a tool of some great power that causes this cycle. The new writers just never thought of removing it. The story is filled with plot holes because of this change of writers.

+StormJaw He left to write books and those were not bad. Games suffered greatly though (In my opinion).

+Steven The repetition of every cycle is still not clearly explained yet. Even the Catalyst only observed that such cycles exist. So the theory of a "Great Being/Power" is not fully over, maybe we'll get more explanation in ME Andromeda ( though we don't know much about this game... )

+Tinousewen Honestly, Id rather think of it as the Writers subtly saying BIOWARE and EA are the power that controls the changes of the Cycles.

+Steven Here's another interpretation, without going out of the scope of the game (so I'm just going over the story and DLC, and not talking about what the writers did or thought, or what EA or Bioware did, etc). Long post ahead though. On the Leviathan DLC you find out about the creators of the Reapers. They were an organic form a lot bigger and powerful than most other races, that watched from the shadows the same cycle repeat in the galaxy: -Lesser organic beings try to augment themselves with technology, ended up creating AIs to help them with this. -The AIs eventually grow sentient -Be it the AIs or the organics themselves that start with it, eventually wars break out between AIs and organics. -The war devastates both sides, none recovers, both perish. -A long time after, other, less-evolved organics that didn't matter on the war, eventually evolve enough to repeat from step 1. So these Leviathans tried to find a solution, and in so created the AI that later became known as the Catalyst. This AI (Sheppard visualizes it as the Starchild) was tasked with preserving life being lost because of this cycle of wars between organics and synthetics. Its response? "I can't stop the wars or the cycles, but I can preserve life from each cycle. As in, preserve them in hybrid form". This way the wars don't devastate each side, and instead something from them lives on to the next cycle. That hybrid form, are the Reapers. Which even makes it easier to harvest the next cycle, since the Reaper army becomes stronger and more varied after each harvest. The Leviathans weren't expecting this response, and worse yet, they weren't expecting to be the first to be harvested. The AI judged that the Leviathans, despite surviving through several cycles, were still bound to the same failings each cycles' Organics had. Harbringer was the first Reaper, which came out of the harvest of the Leviathans, the strongest Organic lifeform now known to exist lore-wise. --- Cut to the endings, if you pick destroy, you kill the Reapers. Are you back to square one? Are the wars between Organics and Synthetics doomed to be repeated? That's what the Catalyst (and by extension, the Reapers) believe. Except, this AI has no knowledge of what's going to happen to a Cycle that goes through the Reaper threat and survives. Now this cycle KNOWS about the existence of previous cycles, has access to lot of dead reaper tech dating countless civilizations and cycles back, and managed to unite itself galaxy-wide against an enemy of immeasurable proportions. Is that gonna be enough to be careful not to commit past cycles mistakes? That's the hope you need to have to go through with the Destroy ending and feel satisfied with the Destroy ending of the ME trilogy. --- I'll note that despite I like the ending/s (though Destroy is my favorite), I played them with most of the DLC and I think it mattered a lot to my enjoyment. I won't comment on how good or bad the endings were before it, though I know most people hate them.

Leviathons may be?

And the explanation of why the reapers wipe out life.

It activates security protocols which Kai Leng breaks while Shepard and his squad climbs back\wakes up after the fight