Master-batching Oils and Lye Why I do it this way!

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3 жыл бұрын

I first tried Master-batching in 2018 and ran into a number of issues. To this day, I still don't like using the more common ways of Master-batching so I thought of a way that suits my way of soaping. I thought I would take you along and show you how I master batch and explain the issues I have overcome by doing it this way as many others may find this an easier way too.
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@scruboutcancer4752 3 жыл бұрын

You really are an Angel on Earth for always being so honest with the things that have not worked for you and for always being so kind in sharing with us all 💜

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🧡 I think its important to share what doesn't work as others may be feeling the same way.

@liseleokojie529 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your insight on Master batching lye.

@SoyandShea 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching.

@emilyv5366 2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I do with my lye. Keeps it simple when your recipe is the same for all. Thanks for this very well explained video :)

@SoyandShea 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@jankates1274 Жыл бұрын

I’m a bit late to the party but thanks! This is so much easier to understand.

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@mamasoaps392 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation!! Like the way you do it

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🧡 it definitely made it more enjoyable for me

@AnoushBotanical 3 жыл бұрын

So pleased yt popped up your video. Completely agree with you in regards to leaving master batch lye about with concern of accident. Here in California, always being mindful of earthquakes, prepared lye stays in commercial sinks overnight only, unless in use. Possible idea for you to use the fresh warm lye to heat hard oils allowing Soaping to commence with no waiting. ~ If you don't mind my asking: How your city / country responds to your business at home?

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Oh gosh, I'm so pleased that is not an added concern for us! I have felt earthquakes but only trembles where you question what it was for 5 seconds before moving on. I have tried the heat transfer method but not a fan of it. Must try again though. I'm lucky where I live as I can quite easily have a home business. There are several in out street and local area. As long as we are respectful of neighbours, we can usually run a business with no problems. Not all local areas are the same though. The neighbouring council frowns upon home businesses

@delisak2214 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your in depth explanation!

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@kellymaloney7605 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Keely!! This is a brilliant explanation and much easier I think.

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🧡 hope it helps

@joannpage6691 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for this information on Master batching oils and lye water. I’ve been watching as many videos on this subject and you are the first one to give a lot of information on the Lye water prep. Love your videos💞💞💞

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡 I found information on lye was hard to find when master batching

@michelleshelby01 3 жыл бұрын

That was very helpful Keeley. I get it now. Thank you

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🧡 I will cover more of this on Patreon on coming months

@beeyouthful1963 3 жыл бұрын

Wow ! Keely thank you for that information. That is a fantastic idea. I'm gonna give your way a try.

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡 hope you enjoy this way

@buttermilkbaysoap9416 3 жыл бұрын

This was an amazing video! Thankyou Keeley.

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🧡

@lauren8143 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing all your thoughts through this process--very helpful! And using the square buckets is a space saver too.

@SoyandShea 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡 the square buckets are great as they stack well when empty or full

@GodzHarleyGirlStudio 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent information that's not out there anywhere! Thanks so much, Keeley!! Hugz, Tree

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🧡 it was why I struggled with it so much. Didn't mind the calculations but all the little hiccups along the way made it unpleasant

@sw8553 2 жыл бұрын

GREAT INFO!!! Thanks for sharing your gotchas!

@SoyandShea 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@susanmoyle8143 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the being so informative. I was put off master batching lye, but yours makes so much more sense 😊

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

I'm happy it has helped. It can be enjoyable to Master batch once you have a way that works for you.

@earthchildapothecary8609 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for this! Very helpful!

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@annkinney2043 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing.

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@tassiegirl1991 3 жыл бұрын

Keeley. I fully agree with your process it is much simpler and less risk of error. I’ll never need to do master batching as not selling but I think this will really be useful to those who do. Well done and thank you for sharing.

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@alwyngreen7205 3 жыл бұрын

Even tho I’m a MP soaper, I thoroughly enjoy your video’s, thank you for sharing your tips

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@lovelyllamasoaps7276 3 жыл бұрын

Great video - master batching definitely saves me time 😀

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

It does now 😆 I used to get so frustrated with how the soap behaved when I originally tried but this way suits me well

@theterifox 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. I "get it" now.

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Happy I could help 🧡

@melanielynn9723 Жыл бұрын

Very helpful! Thank you!

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@sagedutton4740 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!! So helpful!!

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@lkrsoapandsuch5767 3 жыл бұрын

This was very helpful. Thank you for sharing 😊

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@TheFizzShop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. I also used to have the same problems as you when masterbatching the lye solution at 1:1. Will definitely be giving it another go :-)

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

I hope it helps. It does make it easier to have a master batch

@freddieivory625 2 жыл бұрын

Great tips, thanks for sharing

@SoyandShea 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@kezru1581 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome info Keeley 👍

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@rebeccaaustin1339 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your very helpful tutorial! I can see the benefit of master batching. I have made a few mistakes by accidentally mismatching the amount of oils to lye and the more streamlined the process, the better.

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🧡 happy to hear this helps

@rozssoapsnsuch6311 3 жыл бұрын

I have had the same issue as well. At first, I thought I was over thinking it, but then again, I also didn't want to waste, or at the risk of wasting, my oils and lye, by messing up somehow. I also was put off of it until I found my own way of master batching that made sense to me, as you did here. Such an interesting and informative video. Thanks for putting it out there! I'm sure it helps makes sense of it all to alot of other soap makers!

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

So much of what we do is finding what works best for us. As long as we're not being dangerous, there really is not right or wrong ways

@chrissmarz278 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much that was super helpful! 🥰

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@ArreisMorsCI 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for this very informative video!!! I desperately needed this educational lesson!!! I just received my loaf mold with silicon liner and two cutters!!! I have used soapcalc to play and create a soap recipe that I feel will be great, fingers crossed that it works!!

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Happy soaping!

@gigissoaperyandmore 11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the explanation of how you master batch your lye solution. I haven’t seen anyone explain it this away before. I had the same concerns about adding the additional liquid to my oils. So I came to the same conclusion as you for the lye solution tank that I’m going to purchase soon. Thank you again.

@SoyandShea 11 ай бұрын

It's such a great way of doing it and I still do it this way now. I just wish I could find a lye tank here to store it in.

@gigissoaperyandmore 11 ай бұрын

It took me quite some time to find a company in the US that had one at a decent price and good quality. Hope you find one soon. I’ll let you know if I come across anything I your region or area. Happy soaping

@SoyandShea 11 ай бұрын

@@gigissoaperyandmore thank you 😊

@ttopcar 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for sharing this info! I was masterbatching my oils and lye solution and was getting a super fast trace within seconds and couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong. So frustrating. I'm going to try your tip and add my extra water during light trace. That makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks again =)

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if my theory is right but it makes sense in my head 😆 hope it helps

@teresaskerratt4842 3 жыл бұрын

Good morning … thanks for this ….. masterbatching makes soap making so easy, I tend to use Lisa’s calculations as I love to be able to make very small amounts for embeds etc …. Have a great day 🧼🧼🧼🧼🐝

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Yes Master batching does make it so much easier. I use my master batch for embeds and piping too so I can make as I feel like it.

@jenchic1974 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video! And you are right its not explained correctly!❤❤❤

@SoyandShea 11 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡 hope it helped

@maryroseshearer9715 3 жыл бұрын

Great!! Thank you. -Momo

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡

@Hilary_ClarbySoaps 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this Keeley. I’ve started masterbatching recently (on a much smaller scale 🤣) but I find it really useful, especially if you just want to do a small tester batch...or if you have a small mould. I have some moulds which take 825g of oils...which is a pain to weigh the oils because of the small amounts!

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching 🧡 I'm with you on uneven numbers. I always round to an even number and then have samples

@cheryl739 3 жыл бұрын

A very good video with tips for newbies that have never master batched. 👍 I have always master batched my lye water solution at my usual strength and I have never had any issues. Special recipes, I make it fresh to accommodate my changes. I don't like tons of extra containers to wash is the reason why, as I always hand wash all my dishes. 😒 Proper labeling, like you say, and a stable wide bottom chemical resistant container, with a tight lid, is a must. Awesome video, again. Cheers and Blessings 💕💕

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🧡 I definitely find it easier master batching at usual strength and making fresh for the unusual soaps.

@wickedlee 3 жыл бұрын

It's so weird that you get acceleration like that. As you'd know, that's how I make all my soap. Have you tried stick blending your extra liquid into your oils before adding the lye? I always do that with my GM and my batter can stay pretty fluid for quite awhile (dependent on FO of course). Glad you showed another way to do things though. New and experienced soapers can always find things like this helpful, and the more info we get out there, the more awesome everyone's soaps will be :) And whoever gave this a thumbs down is a dick :/

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

It is interesting. My only thought would be that the goats milk may emulsify with the oils more than when just water is added. I don't even know if my theory had any credit 😆 I honestly think there are bots out there putting 👎it's still an interaction so never bothers me.

@wickedlee 3 жыл бұрын

@@SoyandShea I'll give water a go and see if it makes a difference for me :)

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

@@wickedlee it will behave for you 🤣🤣🤣

@brookelynturner5684 3 жыл бұрын

FINALLY!! Someone talks about the lye solution heating back up!! I, too, tried masterbatching lye because "it's faster," and like you, I also found it to be a waste of time because I had to wait on my solution to cool back down after I added the rest of the water. I quit masterbatching lye and now I do heat transfer. So much faster, and it works for me, because I want my oils to be fresh, but I'm not a consistent soaper (only maybe twice a month).

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

It's definitely something that is not talked about it in most videos. Occasionally if there is a follow on video, it gets explained but you don't always see them if your not looking for it. I have tried the heat transfer method but it's not a method I enjoy. I'm not sure if it's got to do with out weather conditions affecting how the soap behaves.

@SoPea 3 жыл бұрын

Love this video. I had the same problem when I tried master batching. I've just seen your recipe on your sheet and would you believe it, our recipe is almost identical! I have cocoa instead of Shea but everything else is the same. Even the ratios are almost identical. Even to the point of your lye concentration AND that your oil weight comes to 1700g!! Mind blown!!✊🙈🙉🙊🤯😅🤩

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

It's a small world. It's why you do see so many similar soaps. Not because we copy but because we all think alike 🧡

@iztherelife1340 Жыл бұрын

Here in Texas, I’ve learned to weight out my oils and leave them on my deck in the sun. Amazing the energy I save by pre heating naturally.

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

That's a great tip. Sadly I can't leave items outside my shop - we have too many cheeky birds here not to mention people who would want to touch it.

@iztherelife1340 Жыл бұрын

@@SoyandShea oh we’ve got birds and bugs. I just cover it with a giant glass lid for my skillet. Heats up quick and clean. Texas heat has to have some redeeming factor. This is just about it.

@annapurnakupast111 3 жыл бұрын

Great explanation... Thank you for sharing 👍. I too have tried the 1:1 ratio of lye master batching... But struggled a lot in the math to calculate the remaining liquid amount when actually making soap of various batch size...so I quit master batching. Now I only master batch my oils n prepare fresh lye using ice cubes to save sometime

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Try doing it this way. When you have different size batches, run through soapcalc and add up the lye and water amounts to know how much you need to pour off 😊

@annapurnakupast111 3 жыл бұрын

@@SoyandShea Sure...will try out definitely. 👍 Have a good day

@China-Clay 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! That’s how I do the lye water also! I think we could be friends!! Ha!

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

🧡 it is definitely easier doing it this way

@handcraftedbyhelen1963 3 жыл бұрын

Your masterbatching makes so much more sense to me, I wonder if the hard oils would stay liquid in our winter I New Zealand? I will have to give it a go. Thanks Keely

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

The hard oils don't set solid but they do get thicker. I find a quick blitz with the stick blender before pouring off helps. I'd they are too cool, I then put that little bit in the microwave for 10-20seconds

@handcraftedbyhelen1963 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Keely, I will definately give it a go 👍

@LadyGecko 3 жыл бұрын

I master batch...I LOVE it! I make ready-to-use Lye Solution...about two gallons at a time, stored in gallon jugs in the back of my soap cart. I make up 640 oz of oil/butter at a time...goes in a 5-gal bucket. I use a commercial paint stirrer on a drill. During the Spring/Summer it’s the consistency of pancake batter, during the Fall/Winter, it’s more like cornbread batter. And when it comes time to make soap, I keep it simple. I have a spreadsheet on the wall that has every mold and it tells me how much oil/butter and how much Lye Solution I need. When it’s time to make soap, I stir the oil/butters well, but I don’t whip it. I then weigh my bowl, tare the scale, then take my ladle that hold about 4 oz and scoop, add xx number...weigh, adjust. Put it in the microwave for 20 to 40 seconds per pound depending on the weather. I then pour my Lye Solution and then I rock and roll.

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like how I do it. Just not a way often talked about or shared

@LadyGecko 3 жыл бұрын

@@SoyandShea - I’m always happy to share how “I” do things, but I do make it a point to tell folks that I don’t recommend doing it until 1) you’ve been making soap for at least a year, and 2) that you have a solid recipe under your belt. I think some people feel that it’s cheating or it’s boring, but it’s just making efficient use of your time. For me, it’s was a necessity. I work full-time and at the time I started MBing, I also had a 2 1/2 commute so I didn’t have time in the evening to make soap. Then the weekend would come along with housework, shopping, laundry and after making a couple of small batches...I was done. The spirit was willing, but the body said no...no more measuring, no more melting, nor more ice cubes or heat transfer. But with MBing...making soap is a breeze. Of course I do have to refill my buckets and jugs, but that can be done in between loads of laundry. There are limitations to MBing...like adding additives. I use Sodium Lactate and Kaolin Clay, but add them later. And you can’t MB a goat milk Lye Solution.

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

@@LadyGecko sharing is always good. The only videos and information I found when I looking was using the 1:1 ratio which just didn't work for me 🧡

@LadyGecko 3 жыл бұрын

@@SoyandShea - It didn’t work for me either. The math isn’t difficult, but I didn’t want to make a mistake and end up with a lye-heavy soap. The advantage of master batching is just to be able to get in there and make soap.

@karenlaverty7808 3 жыл бұрын

Love the info. Quick question, the hard oils, do they harden again after melting and combining with liquid oils in the container? Thanks Keeley

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

They don't set solid but they do thicken up. Before pouring out my oils, I'll give a quick mix with the stick blender and the heat of the mixing melt it and combine them again

@jparker5050 3 жыл бұрын

Great approach to master batching, so glad I came across this video. Question, what was it you added to your lye solution? Wasn't able to make it out. Thank you!

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you 🧡 I add Tuscan Silk to my solution. It gives a smooth silky feel to the soap

@soapsoilandsunshine3241 2 жыл бұрын

Hi J Parker. I know this is an old post. Keeley's autocorrect must've made a boo boo. It's Tussah Silk she adds to the lye solution.

@ericabeache 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, this topic was on my mind. How long can we store lye that way?

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

I personally never store for more than a couple of weeks. I would suspect it can be stored longer as you can buy lye tanks which hold a lot more solution and would take longer to use.

@cindylawrence1655 Жыл бұрын

Great video Keeley! I'm going to use your method of master-batching my soap today. I'm wondering about the lye solution though. I dissolve sugar in my water before adding the lye, can I still do this when master-batching the lye solution?

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

Thank you 🧼 yes you can add additives into you batch. I've done this without issue

@yeshuahtruthlightlifelove5900 Жыл бұрын

Hi Keeley Thank you so much for the info. How long would I be able to store the lye batch and mixed oil batch for ? And do you need to warm up anything like lye or oils before soaping ? What degree do you soap this way at ?

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

I usually don't store mine long as I'm constantly making. I know you can store lye for quite a long time as long as stored correctly. In terms of temperature, it depends what you soap at and what works best for your oils. What I soap at may not work for you.

@Greatewall79 Жыл бұрын

Very nice! thanks for sharing such precious info! Just one question, What about temperatures when master batching, Once a have my Lye and oils master bached can I just use these as let's say room temperature to make my soap? Thanks!

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

I only soap at room temperature, so I master batch and let cool to use the next day or when needed

@Greatewall79 Жыл бұрын

@@SoyandShea Grazie mille!

@roslandbutler6817 2 жыл бұрын

This was very informative. Can you masterbatch with additives, such as citric acid or tussah silk?

@SoyandShea 2 жыл бұрын

Yes you can. I always add my silk to my lye water. I would add Sodium Lactate too but sometimes I don't need it.

@roslandbutler6817 2 жыл бұрын

@@SoyandShea thank you for your time & response

@yeshuahtruthlightlifelove5900 Жыл бұрын

Hi Keeley , I have another question pls. Can you add citric acid and sodium lactate to the master batch of Lye ?

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

I usually add my sodium lactate just before making. I dont use Citric acid so not sure how it affects bulk batching

@bebgwa 3 жыл бұрын

j'aime beaucoup ta vidéo . j'ai essayé le masterbatching pour les huiles. mais pour la soude non parce que je ne sais pas comment calculer la différence entre le 50/50 masterbatching of lye et mon utilisation de soude qui en général tourne autour de 30 %. ça me semble bien compliqué même si l'idée de pouvoir y rajouter du liquide supplémentaire est bienvenue.

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

I will try to do another video in the future showing how to calculate work out how much Lye solution and additional water you need when master batching at the 1:1 ration

@bebgwa 3 жыл бұрын

@@SoyandShea waouhhhhh génial. J'attends avec impatience merciiii

@dibennett4945 3 жыл бұрын

Do the hard oils in your master batch solidify again when left for a week or so?

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

No they don't solidify on me but I think that may be because our temperatures are quite mild and I keep my workshop locked at night so it stays quite warm

@karlineebanks 3 жыл бұрын

Isnt the lye water solution supposed to be warm when making soap? How is this achieved when masterbatching

@SoyandShea 3 жыл бұрын

It really depends how you prefer to soap. If you do the heat transfer method, then the lye can be made fresh as its used hot to melt the oils and butters. Some people soap warm but I prefer to soap at room temperature which is between 21-27°c. If you prefer to soap warm, you just need to gently heat in the microwave.

@drlovie 2 жыл бұрын

Hello :) Thank you very much for your video. I think you brought up some things that I actually been thinking about as well. I had a question. Is masterbatching for use over a period of time? Or is masterbatching for making large amounts of soap immediately/at once? The reason I ask is because I was wondering what we are to do when the lye solution cools down and there is still soap to be made with the oil solution? What is your suggestion for making large amounts of soap (about 500 bars) from a home kitchen? Is it possible to make that amount of soap at once? I am not sure how to go about doing this. Is there a stockpot and materials that you can suggest using? Thank you so much.

@SoyandShea 2 жыл бұрын

I generally batch enough oil and lye to last me one to two weeks. I dont like to keep mine any longer but people do. As I soap at room temperature it doesn't matter if my lye is cold/room temperature. If you are looking to make that much masterbatch, I would invest in a oil tank to minimise the amount of storage space.

@drlovie 2 жыл бұрын

@@SoyandShea thank you so much! I am just seeing your message ;) thanks again

@NaveenKumar-mi4zj Жыл бұрын

Mam my laundry soap bar is dry hand after use

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

Most laundry soaps are designed to clean material and don't consider the users hands.

@NaveenKumar-mi4zj Жыл бұрын

@@SoyandShea Okk mam ...happens in all

@anonimochenta4439 Жыл бұрын

I only "masterbatch the oils", I'm too afraid of having a lye solution just sitting there without supervision trusting none will touch it, get curious or be clumpsy...🙈🙈

@SoyandShea Жыл бұрын

I know what you mean. I am lucky with my work space that this isn't to much of an issue. Plus hubby asks me of something is soap or food - learned the hard way 😆