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thanks to people like him, now me and my family can live in a free country 🇵🇱 I really appreciate all those heroes sacrifice.

Is that a highest medal of all the medals? Wow, awesome, sorry for the lost of your grandfather. Rest in Peace

My dad was Flt engineer (top turret gunner) on B-17 and B-24's he did 33 missions. Hardly ever would talk about it.

@@johnwhalen9499 who cares

Yeah, but we gotta shoehorn the Red Tails in here somehow.

@@CorePathway Don't know about shoe horn, but give them their due!

@@winstonp.prescott3845 The Red Tails deserve all of the praise for what they did.... but the writers i feel did a disservice to them in this miniseries as they seemed to be 'thrown in' purely as an almost afterthought, just to appease the "inclusivity" crowd.

Hardcore man.

Did you know that if you go on the 100th foundation website you could look him up in the personnel files. I’ve browsing it and looking up all the real people.

My mother, around 11yo at the time, experienced the raid in a cellar. So we both had a parent on each end of the raid. I do hope your father made it home in good health.

wow

@@ralfklonowski3740 That's really cool.

A brave man.

No a coward

A coward your mother was, thats for sure, not being brave enough to abort such a sh*t like yourself @@sickc-1375

Did he survive?

@@sickc-1375 spoken like a true keyboard warrior.

Nein vulfgang… vee have named ze flug afta ein frau garten

@@johnrion3232 Frau garten?

@@johnrion3232 You don't have to "germanise" Wolfgang. It's already a german name.

Actually the B-17 could be quite maneuverable. They only flew straight and level for defense formation and the bomb run. But the planes were new, well maintained and the pilots in the late teens and twenties. So with the bombs gone and no group a good pilot could do everything but loops.

The B17 carried about the same bomb load as a Mosquito, hence very maneuverable in the hands of a skilled pilot once unloaded.

It was like a horror movie. Those poor guys.

Lmao

P-51 Mustangs were the game changer in 1944, to Berlin and back. Spitfires could go as far as northern France.

The P-51 came along later in the war and had the range to protect the Bombers.

Catch 22

Great Movie: Memphis Belle… No CGI! I’ve nothing against it…. Just saying.

It was first the p-47 that escorted the b-17's aka the "jugg" it was very well armoured, reliable, good sustain heavy damage still return home and had good fuel range escorting bombers i think even back and forth but..... the p-47 was far less agile and slower then the bf 109 and the focke wulfs around 43 44 so american airforce indeed incorporated the p-51 mustang but this was far later on heavy losses where already sustained due to the fact that even if the bombers had p-47 escorts they where to slow climbed slow and didnt stand a chance against an good bf 109 pilot german airforce was leading for years in technology . Then the p-51 came and later on also fuel tanks that fully covered the journey. The spitfire had the same rolls royce motor with 2000 horse power of rolls but the p51 was still faster, better build aurodynamically. The p-51 was for a while the fastest plane on the earth with a speed of 750km an hour + heavy armament and a fast climber high altitude escort bomber fighter toghether with the p-38 twing engine boom 2x roll royce motor. Wich also escorted a lot of b17 missions countering the bf 110 high altitude fighter. Only after the p51 and especially the p51 red tails black division. bomber missions suffered much less casualties the black division performed the best in defending bomber missions. So after the commisioning of the p51 i think in 44 or 43 correct me if im wrong bombers missions where mainly a mixture of p51-s p47-s and p-38's. But ofcourse spitfires hurricanes, tempests, sea fires, and lot of other british models probably have seen action.

Вы очень мудро думаете..

Wow, someone with a respectful, thoughtful and considerate opinion. Rare these times. Thank you.

Yea, you're onto something here, e.g. during one of the Schweinfurth raids the Luftwaffe would lose around 20 to 40 fighters to all causes. So kills by bomber defensive machine guns were not exactly rare, but occurred much less than the show would have viewers believe. Over all, despite the suspiciously many, suspiciously enthusiastic reviews, I think the show is, very much like 'The Pacific' was, very badly written.

Yep, the reality is, the "Flying Fortress" concept failed. Not that it wasn't a successful bomber, but the idea of them being able to defend themselves against fighters just didn't pan out. After horrendous losses on the Schweinfurt raids, the Air Force suspended daylight bombing until long range fighter escorts became available.

I only counted 8 German planes hit in this episode with what looked like half going down in flames, compared to the 25 confirmed to have been lost in the actual raid. In the episodes prior only 1 was hit in the opening of episode 1 and one smoking I the latter half, while in episode 2 only one was shot down and in episode 3 I counted 6 hit compared to 25-27 lost in the August 17 raid.

Rare on a per-sortie basis maybe, but they routinely flew 500+ bombers per mission, several times per month - shooting down 20-40 per mission when you have 500 plus aircraft shooting at them is quite believable. The real problem is that each enemy fighter would have gunners from several bombers shooting at it, all claiming it when the first puffs of smoke appeared.

It was not rare, but very difficult. Command thought it would be easy, and could not addmit that simply putting a gun at every corner would not make a bomber invinceable. How wrong they were. I read that some (?) crews shared each kill. Gen. Adolf Galland said that attacking a heavy bomber was very risky, and his method was to dive into the firmation from above. Only the top turret had a shot, but difficult one ,and it was the widest view of the bomber . He did say rookie German fighter pilots did not do well with his method, and collided alot. Mission accomplished.

Some Pilots were only 19!

If they were that old, many were underage.

Teens

@@dan3535351 A few were teenagers. But most were in their mid-to-late 20s.

Many of the captains were only 21

Splendid

Un gran actor sin duda.un gran piloto le debemos mucho todos.hizo muy buenas películas 🎥 como muchos actores famosos por lo visto también lucho en la segunda guerra mundial..

@@marianovaliente2103 Including Jimmy Stewart.

Many of the actors in the Great Escape were in the service including Steve McQueen. Excellent movie.

James garner was also in a bomber during ww2

Not as much as was done by Flak and fighters.

Can't remember exactly who said it but there's an interview with a German pilot where he talks about the tactics they used against bombers and how during a pass going through the middle of the formation was the safest place to be because the gunners wouldn't shoot for fear of hitting each other.

you would be surprised ammo casing dropping on another aircraft occured more often than friendly fires

The combat box was designed to minimize that, but with all hell breaking loose it did happen. When you add up all the other things, 50cal friendly fire was almost irrelevant when compared to 88mm flak, 20mm cannon from 109 and 190 or simply other forts blowing up and taking others in the formation with them.

I read less than .5%

Never forget!

It's on display at the National Museum of the US Air Force. Dayton. Its fully restored although probably not flyable. Anyone who likes aircraft should get to that museum at least once.

wore the tape out of that film

One of my favourite movies. Anyone know where it can be found today?

Grew up watching it with my dad, love that film and all the history surrounding these brave soldiers.

Hold my beer!

Physics: "Nah, you really can't... It just happens when the CGI artists have no idea how physics work." Also Physics: "In reality, that B-17 would have oversped and broken up in mid-air or got caught by that German fighter with his vastly tighter turning circle."

It didn't go down like this....this is very hollywooded up

What was it like @@ironnads7975

​@@ironnads7975 it is an accurate depiction. This shows the Air Raid on Muenster on the 10 Oktober 1943. The 100th Bombardment Group was a part of. They started with 13 B17 in England. 12 were shot down. Only one came back. The bloody Hundred lost 177 Airplanes during the war, so the whole unit was destroyed several times. The 8th USAAF lost over 5100 Airplanes during the war more than 26000 of their airmen were killed in action.

⁠@@Folgeantrag The numbers might be matching but this is everything but a “accurate depiction” 110% Hollywood 😂

​@@yorgonosch7225 You can read about "Royal Flush" if you're unconvinced, but it did actually happen. You can also read about "Old 666", I believe it went through similar circumstances against around 17 Zeros.

😂😂😂nö denn die Engländer wollten den Krieg oder warum ist Churchill auf Hitlers Gesuch nicht eingegangen, das Churchill zwischen Polen und dem Dritten Reich nicht vermitteln wollte ?? England, Polen, Frankreich und die USA sind am Krieg genauso schuldig eigentlich die Schuldigen !

Its more that they need to mark the position if any parachutes are seen, for rescue missions, but yes relief also.

@@HeartFeltGesture What? Rescue missions were not a thing. They wanted to see if their buddies had survived.

@@noneofyourbusiness9489 "They wanted to see if their buddies had survived." Yes, to make note of their position at the time of any parachute sightings, for POSSIBLE rescue, no body knows if will or can be done but you record the bloody information at the time in the eternal hope that you can tey to save everyone so you do your best even if its hopeless, so you take note of the position and radio in the situation and pray to whatever makes sense to you that all ends well....

@@HeartFeltGesture You're historically ignorant. What rescue? You think they were deploying SAR helicopters in WW2? If you went down in German occupied territory, your only hope was local resistance groups. There was nothing the allies could do for you.

@@noneofyourbusiness9489 There were a couple of sleeper cells posing as farmers in a nearby village, they had made a radio out of dung and some odd n ends, they heard the call with the coordinates and took in the injured pilot, and made him hot beef soup with hunks of sourdough and butter.

Charles Bronson was a gunner on a B29. Being on a B17 was cold. Your oxygen mask would freeze up do to the cold, if one of your buddies was seriously wounded somebody had to make sure is mask didn't freeze up. You shot your guns in short burst to prevent over heating of the barrel. You had only one minute to take your glove off if you changed out your barrel. After that your hand was too cold to do any work. The top gunner had to be careful no to shoot the tail off the plane. If he did the pilot had to use the engine thrust of each wing to guide back to England. It was important to keep communication open and not hog the radio. When you got back to base bring out the two inch hose.

Photographic evidence shows that engines separated from the bomber, in a fireball, were still running. Here on YT, look up Nike missile B-17 test.

It's called artistic license. The director is trying to convey the moment of horror, seeing bits of bombers falling all around you.

​@@bmused55Whatever you call it, it looked ridiculous

@@wakka4211 I'm guessing you don't know the meaning of the word drama, or expect every film to be a staid documentary.

@@rikk319 you aren't supposed to change the laws of physics to make something dramatic. It looks absolutely ridiculous. Tons of the CGI in this show was completely ridiculous in the way planes moved. It was awful

It was pretty common in 42 and 43 when Germany actually had pilots. A lot of the guys who flew missions for the first two years would have faced hoardes of enemy fighters, but by the time the war was ending German planes in the sky were basically nonexistent. A relative of mine took part in the 8th Air Force's very first bombing mission on July 4 1942. On that mission, the cockpit of his B-17 took a direct hit from a Fw 190's 20mm cannon, killed co pilot and severely injured the pilot. They were shot down a few weeks later by another 190.

Where you are in the formation and where your bomber group may be in the whole bombing raid can pay a huge part. He may have found himself getting quite lucky with his plane not being in the most dangerous positions.

That vet had it easy, must have been late 1944 or sometime in 45 he flew his missions. In 1942 and 1943 the bombers had a rough time as they had no escort. It is also historically accurate that the entire squadron bar one plane was shot down on this mission. 13 entered German airspace only 1 came back. It was that brutal.

​@@bmused55warum brutal ?? Wenn deine Heimat angegriffen wird dann wird Kampf und Verteidigung zur Pflicht... Ich möchte nur an Dresden 45 erinnern oder Hamburg oder Lübeck oder Bremen oder oder wo die Kranken GIs bewusst Brandbomben geworfen haben und so 90% der Städte komplett unbrauchbar wurden.... Umso mehr zeigt es wenn Deutsche in Frieden gelassen werden was daraus erwachsen kann. Kultur, Bildung, Wissen!!!

There are a number of verified accounts of the Luftwaffer putting up 200 and 300 fighters in massed attacks - if you were at the front of the formation you would definitely have seen them!

Not even close to realistic

​@@ironnads7975 Likely dramatized, but it was something that actually happened with that individual bomber (though I've heard the scene was actually toned down, so who knows, I guess).

Look up Ole 666 it happened in the pacific

@@ironnads7975You are so wrong lol.

@@idlzrufTrue... but that was a heavily modified bomber that didn't have a full bomb load (it was on a photo recon mission) and was at much lower altitude. To fly a B-17 around like that at high altitude and with a full bomb load goes way past what the air-frame could do.

Due to their weights being lighter. It falls a lot slower

Not even realistic

Great show ​@@ironnads7975

@@ironnads7975so what was it like flying in the daylight campaign 1942-45? …..hello?…anyone?…..🤡

I mean, it is though.

​@TheAmericanKid94 it could be so much worse. This project started as "The Mighty Eighth" movie. That trailer had some rough effects. We got off lucky with this one

I'll be real, your joke is funny af, but I'd like to boomer out here for a second and offer context some might not be thinking of... So, I remember watching these types of movies/shows back in highschool (2011-2015) and understanding it took guts, but the full gravity of what I was watching didn't hit me till I was about 22 and was told by family elders "that guy could and just might have been you, if you were around back then" and that's a wild realization to have, which most don't. They see actors, CGI, and imperfections, and can you blame them? They simply lack the world skills and context that come with being a more mature adult. It's almost better these kids don't have to understand that harsh truth too early, it's basically what these incredibly brave men fought for! Anyways, thanks for coming to my TED Talk, hope you have a blessed one :)

@@michaelgarcia4035 True. To be totally fair CGI for this kind of project is necessary considering there are only 4 flyable B17's in existence. That being said, it could have been better. Also did they have to CGI the desert scenes? Like they couldn't just go to the desert and film? Seemed lazy tbh.

@@TheAmericanKid94 they relied on the CGI screen a lot for background acting rather than going to locations these days. Probably cheaper for them Still doesn't stop me from enjoying the stories

Yes they are but DEADLY too !

@@Sharky2901 yes they must have been. For the airman inside. Tail gunner as well.

They had balls as big as the turrent themselves!

Not if you were in one.

@@fotograf736 Statistically ball turret was one of the safest positions in a b-17. It was more deadly to be a waist gunner

CGI overkill. Ruined.

Y'all are yapping. CGI? Really? What did you expect? 100 real pilots piloting 100 real ww2 airplanes? The way the scenes are portrayed is from the crew's perspective. It makes perfect sense.

They didnt even respect the laws of physics in some scenes..

Yeh I don't think I will be watching this series at all ....I prefer Menphis belle or battle of Britain

@@popu_85 I know! somehow, while flying at 200+mph you are surrounded by debris floating as if it was in water, not in air and bound by gravity, and somehow keeping up with the B-17 and not disappearing in the rear as the plane propelled forward at speed. Idiotic.

Because it is the same level of realism... 🤮

It might have happened somewhat like this (often crews left out embarrasing details, what ended in the reports often did not reflect reality) but stiill the CGI depiction is physically impossible. Physics are non-negotiable, like all laws of nature.

The show was in preparation and production since 2013. And - "a crap load of mistakes" - it's not perfect, but they have gone to quite some lengths to get the details mostly right. There are other YT channels that do a much better job than "a crapload of mistakes" in telling us what's not correct. I recommend you look them up.

huh, not those that fought in WW1 and then WW2?

Yes.

When push comes to shove, even I would've given that a try. What is more, they were no longer in formation with other bombers. The B-17s were constructed sturdy and tough, if it couldn't take that bit of rough flying then it didn't deserve the name Fortress.

My dad was the co-pilot of one of those bombers. He flew 30+ missions. I’m proud to have his Distinguished Flying Cross…🇺🇸❤️

After the war, they noticed that most people they had killed were women and children. Wonder whether this is shown by Spielberg and Hanks. I guess not.

The government

5,000 ends.

Not really

well spotted!

had to smile at this - everyone else is moaning about this and that, and you drill right down and complain about the cyclic rate of the hand-held guns. Well done!

It may not be accurate but they probably wanted to dramatise it to show just how good a pilot Robert Rosenthal was.

Probably somewhat dramatized for effect, but the events did actually happen: it took the combined strength of Rosenthal and Lewis to get the B-17 to make manuvers so severe that the waist gunners were just barely holding on. Intetsting of note is DeBlasio (tail gunner) apparently scoring six kills during the defense, though they were never confirmed on account of no witnesses being present to confirm any kills, and that this was stated in a letter DeBlasio wrote to Rosenthal post-war; the 8th claimed 105 kills while the Germans only listed 25 losses, so it's theoretically possibly those six might've been his, though he and the other gunners certainly did their bit. "Royal Flush" (along with "Old 666", a bomber in a similar bind) was an interesting bomber to read up on, and I would recommend further reading since that'll do more justice to the story than a KZfaq comment section.

BoB was live action

Spiers running through the German lines at Foy was pretty unbelievable too. Sometimes mad things happen.

Somebody doesn’t play war thunderrrrrrr…

It makes you realize why they are called the greatest generation those who still live if any by now most all are gone, and we never knew how much we really owe them.

Submarine, if you ask me.

En el segundo 0:41 se puede ver que el avión tocó para mí parecer el compartimiento de combustible haci que si el avión pudo explotar por que como el combustible es inflamable con una pequeña chispa se incendia todo

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This “clip” is pretty dumb isn’t it

This actually happened and the pilot did get it home.

@@owensteamdo some research. It actually happened. And they got home.

@@bmused55 the single bomber coming home is a well documented fact but it didn’t happen like that. Use your brain it’s Hollywood