🟡 Hasselblad Xpan Alternative | Panoramic Photos - Mamiya 7 135 Adapter Kit + 35mm to 120 Adapter
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3 жыл бұрын35mm film In 120 camera: Mamiya 7 35mm adapter = Hasselblad XPan panoramic photos!
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Mamiya 7 135 adapter kit converts your medium format 120 film camera into a 35mm Hasselblad Xpan panoramic camera alternative! This is great if you already own a Mamiya 7 or if you want a proper 35mm panoramic film camera. The video shows two ways of loading 35mm film into a Mamiya 7 film camera. First is the official Mamiya 7 35mm panoramic adapter kit. Second is the much cheaper method of using 3D printed film spools. I must mention, if you use the 35mm to 120 adapter you need to unload the film at night or in a dark bag as there is no quick way to rewind the film.
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@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
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@hlcdzw 3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful video. Thank you!
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Hannah, great to have a new female viewer, welcome!
@carloscarpio5197 3 жыл бұрын
Boss this is a great video. I don’t have a Mamiya 7. I knew about the panoramic adapter though and this would be my go to vid IF I ever get this setup. I DO have a two panoramic cameras - Minolta P’s and a TX-2. Amazing tools. Thanks!
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Carlos Carpio thanks Carlos! 👍🏻😊
@peterdadson7713 3 жыл бұрын
Just viewed this video Matt which adds to our conversation. The full kit would be the best option if I had one of these cameras.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
You can get for similar cameras too, say Mamiya 6..
@AimShootDevelop 3 жыл бұрын
I live for stuff like this! I love having multi purpose cameras!
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Aim Shoot Develop thanks! I will try to think of some similar videos. :)
@noahswan6014 11 ай бұрын
You can also make this yourself- Saw through an empty 120 spool; bottom piece should be 24 mm Top 23mm (doesnt matter that much) and then file them down until theyre 7-8mm in diameter and can fit in the 35mm canister Any 120 spool with tape at top and bottom of the same measurements you cut off for the adapter spool will work as takeup.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 11 ай бұрын
Thanks and yes! I can’t remember what I show in the video but I started with a DIY version as you describe. I used the same in the Mamiya 6 and a few others too
@noahswan6014 11 ай бұрын
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I always ended up doing it this way because I was always too impatient to wait for adapters to arrive in the mail/didn't want to spend hundreds on the brand made adapter either ahah
@FranciscoRodriguez-ug8gc 3 жыл бұрын
i almost bought the xpan, but i have a Mamiya 7 so I quickly came to my senses and ordered the pano kit for the 7. Can't wait to use it!
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Great! Happy if I ‘helped’ :) Yes it can take great photos 👌🏻
@erikleypoldt8275 3 жыл бұрын
What did the 7 cost you?
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
@@erikleypoldt8275 I'm not sure as I happened to get it before the prices went crazy
@erikleypoldt8275 3 жыл бұрын
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Feel you get two for one wth the Mamiya 7. Just like the xpan you get 35mm and pano.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
@@erikleypoldt8275 thanks yes it’s nice to have a second use!
@tjh44961 3 жыл бұрын
Bronica makes a 135W film back for the ETRS, which gives a 24x54mm image. Not quite as wide as the M7, but another option.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom, good tip. 👍🏻
@mlicer 3 жыл бұрын
Just thought i'd mention - Bronica's 135w back costs about a $1000 (april 2021). Cheaper than xpan but still painful for a back...
@RobMoses 3 жыл бұрын
Nice camera and cool adapter. Would be good if you need to shoot loads of shots in a day or something. You got some good shots in there too.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Rob Moses thanks the first roll (first set) was more a test roll. The second set using the adapter was better as I visited the coast so had more to photograph.
@jessekoskinen 3 жыл бұрын
This was very interesting. I love it when one can expand capabilities of a camera by addiotional accessories. Like in this case, or with Leica M analog bodies by using a Visoflex to allow use of long tele lenses. If only there was a fully, 100% mechanical panorama camera in the style of an XPan. With the build quality of an Leica M3.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Jesse Koskinen yes! That really would be a dream machine!! ..or a 645 format m3 :)
@y2ktube Жыл бұрын
"If only there was a fully, 100% mechanical panorama camera - the build quality of an Leica M3" - That's easy ! - Not a plastic cheaply made, low-duty camera with flaky aging electronics using a fiddley 35mm kit (Mamiya 7). - - - Just install Hasselblad's # 41151 6X3 panoramic mask KIT to your Hasselblad 500C/M - There you go, a durable fully mechanical & RELIABLE 30mm X 60mm Pano using amazing Zeiss glass ! - Oh yea, if you already own a 500c or C/M, this 'kit' is less than $400 BTW, there is a way to get 20 Pano images instead of just 12 out of the (cheaper than 35mm) 120 roll of film ; it calls for buying an 'old' 12 Back to sacrifice/modify (not the newer A12 model back; the regular back is CHEAP), then simply Dremel away three teeth of a large gear in the 'old & cheap' back. Finally, if you want to go back to 'Full-Frame' medium format? Just QUICKLY remove the back and install a normal A12 back...
@res.publica 3 жыл бұрын
Matt, love your website + appreciate the videos now, too. What film + dev did you use for the non-panoramic-kit shots? Did you notice the dim light leaks that seem to originate from the sprocket holes? I have similar leaks with out using the mask.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ali thanks, hmm I can't really remember i'm afraid, search my Flickr to find the images again or www.MrLeica.com camera review post (adapter post*). Hopefully that can answer your question.
@thejedishaggyfurt 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Matt, great video. I actually bought the official Mamiya 7 135 adaptor about 8 years ago (for about £40 I seem to recall! Definitely going to check the contents tomorrow!) But I've never used it! Could you just install the official Mamiya 135 adaptor without the frame to also expose over the sprockets? Cheers!
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul, nice! From memory yes I think you can but I never try it. I did diy way without and correct adapter with. See mrleica.com for more.
@Zetaphotography 3 жыл бұрын
Everytime you post a video and I like it, I go and buy that camera. I am now poor and have to sell my house, my wedding rings and my food. How am i supposed to keep up.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Reuben Zuazua 😂😂😂 Sorry.. I manage it as I have no house, no wedding rings, basic food! 😆👍🏻
@chilecayenne 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, I am VERY interested in getting the mamiya 7 and 35mm adapter to shoot 35mm pano. My question is, is there any way to accurately frame your shots when set up for this? Can you clip on so,e sort of mask on the viewfinder or something in order to see the panoramic s cone in the frame that will be shot when composing the shot….rather than look through viewfinder and just guess what will be where. Thank you in advance !! CC
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes I enjoyed that setup. See full res shots here - mrleica.com/mamiya-7-35mm-review/ ..sadly all you can do it mask the finder manually with tape. I used the centre strip of the finder to guage the final shots but if you read the blog posts it's not perfect.
@bogdanalexandru5870 3 жыл бұрын
How many frames do you get out off a roll? I am using the 3D printed adapter on Pentacon Six and really love the results. But I noticed the spacing between frames getting bigger and bigger towards the end of the roll.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
I found my Pentacon Six TL has spacing issues even with normal film. I've not used it for ages. Cool cameras though. I want to say 20-21 frames but I can't remember exactly as I use a lot of different cameras. If I use it again and remember I can let you know. (..I will have to do a P6 video one day!) :)
@Willsydney 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Matt, I have a new Mamiya 6 (not the MF) version to which I know there’s a 135 panoramic adapter for the Mamiya 6 MF just like Mamiya 7. The Mamiya 6 MF seems to be very similar to the Mamiya 6 except for the viewfinder with markings for different formats. I’m trying to find out if the Mamiya 6 MF’s 135 panoramic adapter will fit the Mamiya 6 too? Would you know about this? I can’t find on internet answers to my question. Hope you know
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
William Woon hi I don’t think it does because I probably would have bought it if that was possible. I have the 6 like you (see video). I’m not 100% but that’s my understanding. Sorry.
@jmtubbs1639 3 жыл бұрын
I guess a super cheapskate method would be to use the 3d adaptors in a much cheaper camera such as an Ensign selfix 820 used with the printed adaptors and with the mask open for 9cm, giving an even wider panorama. The cassette will fit, I've just tried a couple of 120 6x9 cameras. It would be necessary to do a bit of preparation on how many turns to wind on as the rear window would have to be kept closed. I think with a a second set of adaptors you could wind into a second cassette so no need to rewind or open in the dark,. Cameras that use drop-in masks (for 6x6) would obviously permit home-made 35mm masks. Perhaps the top adaptor design would have to be modified to allow it to be wound. Re-usable cassettes are also cheap, as is bulk film, relatively. I have a Russian 35mm Horizont panoramic which is fun and has a 28mm lens, equivalent to the 30mm widest lens of the X-Pan. Images are prone to distortion though. Or just use 120 film and crop, if you are not doing a lot images. Likewise the adaptors would probably work in an old-fashioned 6x9 roll-film adaptor for use on larger format cameras. I have one of those and might give it a try.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Hi yes I use the 3D printed adapter in 6x9 vintage cameras and others. I've not tried using the Mamiya 7 adapter in other cameras but the spools would fit any camera (I think).. you just can't use the rewind mechanism (easily). I found the mask didn't make a huge difference. Either way experimenting is fun! (I should have mentioned in the video I tried shooting 120 film then cropping after but for me it gives too many options.. meaning you can crop it any way you feel in post.. which I guess is good and bad ha.
@ogmike6444 2 жыл бұрын
does it use a whole roll of 36 frames? is there waste? What if you used a 24exp roll?
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike, see the MrLeica.com blog post on this, some waste with DIY 35mm spool, I can't remember exactly, I think some waste on any roll as camera advances forward some frames before starts, see blog for confirming.
@olderan 2 жыл бұрын
Does the mask lifting out the film from focus plane? Or not?
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 2 жыл бұрын
I used my DIY adapters (no mask) and Mamiya adapter (with mask) and no difference in the photos for me.
@davidwithers2625 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought some 3d printed adapter pieces for my mamiya 7 and installed everything like you did- but my camera won’t recognize that it has film in it for some reason. The counter won’t advance and I can’t take a shot. But the crank is smooth. And I did rotate the plate.. do you know what could be going on? The only thing that separates me and your setup is that my pieces came with its own take up spool made to fit the 35mm film so I don’t have to tape it on a regular 120. There’s a forum on Facebook where I guy is also having the same issue so I know I’m not alone here.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 2 жыл бұрын
Hi David, how far have you tried advancing the film? I ask as my setup wasted the first 10 frames or so even if I taped extra film on the front. Did you see my big post? MrLeica.com - eventually I just bought the proper kit, not cheap but the saving on film makes it pay for itself. I eventually sold my camera but still have the 50mm lens and 35mm adapter.
@davidwithers2625 2 жыл бұрын
Oh! I see! Well my next question is did your counter move at all when you wasted those first shots? I feel like I can keep cranking without the counter budging at all, it just stays on S. I’ll have to try the taped extension trick too! How much are you selling your pano kit for?
@danielevolpe2338 2 жыл бұрын
Hi David, I have the same issue there, did you already solved?
@obscuragraffitica 3 жыл бұрын
Can you talk about how framing works with this panoramic set up?
@charliefm826 3 жыл бұрын
the mamiya 7 framelines have guides for panoramic frames because of the factory kit that you can get
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
I use the centre strip of the viewfinder as I mention in the video.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks I’ve not noticed this. I will check! :)
@wocky1993 3 жыл бұрын
I've done the cheap alternative on my Mamiya 6 MF, however it seems to want to intially advance a lot, meaning you only get approx 10 shots per 35mm 36exp roll. I've tried taping a long piece of film to the film and winding it back into the canister so that I could use the whole roll, however it seems to then just want to advance more and need a double advance per frame which is so bizarre. Any advice?
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas I has the same issue with my 7 where I tried to add more film to extend the leader but the same still gave roughly the same number of issues annoyingly but that said I think I got more that 10. See the blog post on it in the video comments for full details as it was a while ago.
@wocky1993 3 жыл бұрын
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom just read it again and sounds very similar. I'll see if I can work out a way of getting more exposures! Did you manage to work out a way of releasing the film and using a coin to respool it? The button doesn't seem to release the exposed film when loaded onto a normal 120 spool, so can I ask (since you have the proper adapters) - is there something special about the actual take-up spool kit that allows release and rewind? I hope that makes sense 🤦
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
@@wocky1993 without the adapter I just waited until dark to pull the exposed film out. I didn’t try the coin trick but it should work without the adapter as the adapter works the same way on outside.
@eatfrog 3 жыл бұрын
the Mam6 MF detects that the film is advancing properly by tracking the rubber roller before the take up spool, and it slips a lot without the adapter kit. i never got it working properly.
@wocky1993 3 жыл бұрын
@@eatfrog makes sense.. I've since invested in the kit and it's so much better and obviously reliable
@SimonGarnier 3 жыл бұрын
Are these light leaks from the sprockets that one can see in the cheap adapter pictures?
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Simon Garnier hi, no but I’m glad you asked as I forgot to mention it. They are stand developing marks ..I believe, as I’ve seen it on non pano setups occasionally. I should try to test it and use the M7 35mm adapter without the mask and see if I see the same with normal development.
@Peterriggins 3 жыл бұрын
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Those are definitely Bromide drag marks from developing. I do the cheap pano method in the Pentax 6x7 to great effect, but am left unspooling in the dark. You can cheat the counter in the P67 so you don't lose many of frames. I know you're a rangefinder guy, but I would think you would like the Pentax 6x7 with a Late 90mm 2.8 or 75mm lens. It's not all about the 105mm and swirly bokeh. The 90 focuses quite close and has tremendous image quality like the RZ lenses (I have both). Plus ... you get 1/1000 sec. Have you ever tried one?
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
@@Peterriggins Thanks Peter and thanks re. developing. Yes it was a while ago but that was my thought at the time! I have the RZ and quite a few cameras but one I don't have is the P67. Partly as I have too many cameras but mainly as my eyesight is not good enough for SLR cameras.. yes I use them but usually up close (or say a split screen on the Hassy if working further away). *I'm not 100% sold on the M7 either.. still trying to like it! The Mamiya 6 is better for me and Hassy and GF670...and most cameras haha.
@Peterriggins 3 жыл бұрын
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom My eyesight is really bad, too, and now that I've turned 50 (eye-roll), I need reading glasses. I sure understand the struggle. A proper diopter and a later finder really helped me on the p67. I have learned to see my extreme nearsightedness as some kind of superpower. My eyes focus at about 4", so I can take off my glasses and look at the ground glass of a large format camera to do my movements and preliminary focus without a loupe.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
@@Peterriggins thanks Peter, i'm short sighted but I only use glasses for driving currently. I have all that to look forward to! Thanks about the P67. Maybe one day I will try it. :)
@baisao 10 ай бұрын
The aftermarket adapters do not work on the Mamiya 7 in my experience. The film slips too much on the rubber roller and never keys to the first frame counter. I was excitedly waiting to watch you roll on with the aftermarket adapter but the video ended. I wonder if you ever got it working.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 10 ай бұрын
Hi, yes we I tried cheap adapters I had to tape on a leader to stop it wasting so much film before the first frame. Eventually I had to get the proper adapter.
@baisao 10 ай бұрын
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thank you for confirming! The aftermarket adaptor did end up working on the RZ67 but the downside is it's a much larger camera.
@moot6794 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget to rotate the panel on the back to “220 /135”
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I show this in the video 👍🏻
@FranciscoRodriguez-ug8gc 3 жыл бұрын
I guess the only negative of using the 3D printed method is you’re stuck rewinding with a coin.
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom 3 жыл бұрын
Yes and this isn't that realistic.. you are better just waiting til it gets dark and unloading the film straight to a developing tank.. where this is practical.. A coin is worth the effort if you want to shoot multiple rolls for sure.
@xavierfumat7567 Жыл бұрын
I get it when you can not afford an Xpan, Mamiya 7 is not a cheap camera either. Wasting a huge portion of a 120 6x7 film does not sound cool to me. Shoot 120 and crop it in PS. I had a Nikon 35T? it cropped to the same ratio and it just was not the same experience. I own an Xpan and bought it when it was expensive used around 2005 when film cameras were on the way out for $1500. I could not buy this camera today...
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I had the Xpan at a similar time to you but finally sold it as I shoot mostly models. I still had the Mamiya 7, trying to love it so I got the 35mm adapter kit. I don't like cropping in post so in camera works better for me (but agree for film lovers it's a waste of "real estate" as they say.
@xavierfumat7567 Жыл бұрын
Your portrait photography is awesome!
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Жыл бұрын
@@xavierfumat7567 thanks!
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