Piastri looking like genius right now for telling alpine to shove it and signing with mclaren.
@jackgenewtf Жыл бұрын
I don't think he had a choice. Alpine never gave him a seat for a long time, and by the time they did, only because Alonso ditched them, he had already signed with McLaren. That said, after a bad start of the season, I'm happy for him that things are starting to look up.
@chris-hayes Жыл бұрын
True. Also looks pretty bad on Alpine with them not planning to put Piastri in a car till maybe 2025 or later with him now showing he truly is a next gen talent at McLaren.
@aberamagold7509 Жыл бұрын
@@chris-hayes We all know _what/when/ how_ the Piastri saga happened so I won't go into detail. However, it's just one example why so many people are leaving the team. As a McLaren fan I'm glad Alpine is so stupid because it's obvious that Oscar is going to be a great driver one day. Hopefully soon.
@whatsozempic Жыл бұрын
That's what alpine gets for being French 🤮🤮🤮
@highthai7 Жыл бұрын
Like Piastri knew back then that halfway through this season Mclosing would get miraculous upgrades.
@KelsomaticPDX Жыл бұрын
Gotta be honest, the mad dash for the pits was pretty exciting to watch 😅 It made the sprint feel like an entirely new race format. Almost surprised there were no major incidents there.
@bevanmcnicholl2525 Жыл бұрын
Sprints are still awful
@KelsomaticPDX Жыл бұрын
@@bevanmcnicholl2525 I agree, but I think sprints could be good with a different quali format (one-lap, knockout from FE). That and change the schedule to shootout > sprint > quali > race.
@alexejschlowick5672 Жыл бұрын
@@KelsomaticPDX problem with quali after sprint is that if there was a big crash they cant fix the cars for quali
@tolulopeoluleye5302 Жыл бұрын
The mad dash would be the same in a full race..mandated wets to start the race, dash into the pits as soon as you can switch
@TangoNevada Жыл бұрын
@@bevanmcnicholl2525 They at least need to be longer and require one pitstop. Then they will be worth it.
@ysuphgroup7157 Жыл бұрын
Gasly's drive is going under the radar with how well Max and Piastri have driven. An Alpine that hasn't been great over the past few races holding off Hamilton and Perez during the sprint.
@kakhak Жыл бұрын
How Piastri driven? Man, Ver beat him like child, 6 sec in 10 laps. Wtf is wrong with you? Piastri is some lame underaverage driver, no more.
@jackolinpotato7644 Жыл бұрын
@@kakhak He beat Norris (when he is still a rookie) comfortably and Max is in a redbull which has been the most dominant car in F1 history as it has the most consecutive wins
@rjonesbeau1 Жыл бұрын
@@kakhak Sounds like you are describing Verstappen in his early years. Piastri is clearly a talent and you are clearly trolling.
@soundscape26 Жыл бұрын
@@kakhak Uh... I think you'll swallow your words in the future.
@thel8815 Жыл бұрын
@@kakhak You're just a blind random in the comments, no more.
@inflatable2 Жыл бұрын
The reason Max stayed out for an extra lap was because they were to affraid they got delayed in the pit to much because their pitbox is right at the beginning of the pitlane and (almost) all cars coming in and not wanting to do an unsafe release.. Ironically the FIA seemed to be blind to unsafe releases today, as there were a few very obvious ones..
@stevelavergne2852 Жыл бұрын
“Half the field” we one car per team to avoid having to stack them and lose chunks of time.
@soundscape26 Жыл бұрын
We got lucky no team went for the double stacking... 😄
@thekyuwa Жыл бұрын
Gasly got a podium thanks to his unsafe release. FIA just can't be consistent with penalties, they have no idea what they're doing.
@zeezmusic7245 Жыл бұрын
Exactly and Piastri on other hand their garage is one of the last ones on the grid. And he had Ferrari, RB Alpine and Mercedes right behind but their garage was also before McLaren’s so Piastri didn’t have to let any car pass to rejoin and therefore he had clean pit stop. If Max did the same he would’ve lost 2-4 positions I’m sure
@eternal_trashero Жыл бұрын
@@thekyuwa I think the reasoning was Fernando already had to brake to get into his pit box. But definitely sketchy.
@the_dented_NPC Жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Alonso on his bday. Also loving Piastri's rookie season so far
@johnnychimpo7539 Жыл бұрын
Feel bad for him sucking?
@the_dented_NPC Жыл бұрын
@@johnnychimpo7539 no bad luck
@jasonhenry9440 Жыл бұрын
@@the_dented_NPC but he crashed on his own though
@jtc4119 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonhenry9440true but he didn't suck
@kianh125 Жыл бұрын
Birthday blues
@giants2k8 Жыл бұрын
As a suffering Alpine fan it was great to see such a brilliant performance from Gasly. He earned more points in the sprint than the entire team have since Monaco at the end of May.
@SuperPassionflower Жыл бұрын
very pleased with Gasly's result! He did well and had luck on his side too, nice for a change
@adrianpragiwaksana4245 Жыл бұрын
The power of Antoine
@spiral_heart8239 Жыл бұрын
I've had a soft spot for Gasly for a long time. This was definitely a meaningful day for him. I hope Alpine can get it together. I really do feel bad for Occon and Gasly having to deal with such a chaotic organization.
@teamredgutz399 Жыл бұрын
Nice to see Gasly get good points especially after organizing a tribute to Anthoine- that NO other F1 driver save Ocon attended from the beginning (at least Lewis showed up to some of it toward the end when most did not). Good karma for Pierre.
@TallTaleGael Жыл бұрын
Amen man! Being an Alpine fan is tough but today was a good day!
@cy9nvs Жыл бұрын
About the Alonso incident, I just love how the moderators on Sky Germany immediately were like "Stroll hit the wall! (…) No, wait, that's Alonso" 😂 Super uncharacteristic of him to make such a mistake, but I guess even the best sometimes slip up.
@teamredgutz399 Жыл бұрын
Even Fernando is human
@UnChannelDuVulpineX Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I thought.
@bennobeinstein8505 Жыл бұрын
Austrian broadcaster too hahaha
@thecompanioncube4211 Жыл бұрын
Marge: Sorry, force of habit
@alicekoppenol-pitti6257 Жыл бұрын
I thought it was time for the deck chair 😂
@ukps9632 Жыл бұрын
Riiight carry too much speed into a corner and understeer into the side of the car AHEAD and it's not a penalty? JOKE
@ElementsMMA Жыл бұрын
But Hamilton is the only black driver in F1.. he should always get the benefit of any decision regardless of how many times he punts a Red Bull out of the race in virtually the exact same circumstances over and over and over and over....
@adrianwilloughby5352 Жыл бұрын
Everyone was ignoring Oscar and saying that he wasnt having a good rookie year because he hadnt done anything. Now he has a good car and everyone is like "wow, amazing!"
@robbieceltic1036 Жыл бұрын
duhhhhh!!!!!
@superfly2535 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, he has always been close to Norris this season so we knew he was good, though now he is beating him. He’s handled racing Max and the top cars well too. He gave Perez a battle last week!
@0900McShizzle Жыл бұрын
I don’t mind the the shorter sprint race today, the 5 formation laps were meant purely to guarantee driver safety by making the track as dry as possible. We don’t want to lose another driver, RIP Antoine & Dilano
@maxvandoorn3799 Жыл бұрын
Yep F1 Fans are sometime the Joke and not FIA. I mean we all know what happens at Spa when you race on a to wet surface. It just gets tiering that F1 Fans bitch when a crash happens but then also bitch when FIA says its to wet at the moment.
@deanmcloughlin2360 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I think it wouldn't be hard for the FIA to say OK, its raining and from experience it looks like we will have 3-5 laps behind the safety car, race will start in 20mins everyone fuel up for an extra 5 laps 🤷🏽
@LexeLite Жыл бұрын
@@deanmcloughlin2360this is the one I prefer, they can dry the track as much as they want, and then do the full sprint race
@TheSpacecraftX Жыл бұрын
They should stop bringing wet tyres to races then. If it’s too dangerous to race in any circumstances where they are needed to get round the track then what’s the point. By the time they released the cars it was inter conditions. Let’s just make inters the default wet tyres and save the carbon of making and transporting of the wets.
@twenteeen Жыл бұрын
@@TheSpacecraftX I completely agree. The full wet tires are no longer necessary if we want to have safe races. The intermediates can just as easily be used to dry a track behind a safety car, and it will indeed have the added benefit of saving having to schlep that many tires around the world. Get rid of the full wets, the drivers hate them anyway.
@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm Жыл бұрын
This weekend so far proves, that Bernie perhaps wasn't THAT bonkers with his proposal to install sprinkles trackside
@florisbackx1744 Жыл бұрын
So we can have a load laps behing the safety car at every race? ; )
@dereksbooks Жыл бұрын
@@florisbackx1744 yeah exactly. Safety is critical, but what they're doing right now is absolutely bonkers. Don't bother having them even on the track when it is even slightly damp if they're going to wait until Inters before racing.
@Sem5626 Жыл бұрын
yeah nah, he was bonkers i don't want shortened races with a lead in rolling start behind a safety car if we don't have to
@dlstanf2 Жыл бұрын
I'm thinking maybe adding spikes and doing some Road Warrior racing.
@berserkfuryyy6798 Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@Ruylopez778 Жыл бұрын
Why do people proclaim to know what was in the mind of the stewards? For the stewards it's a slam dunk penalty when a car understeers into another, unless it's lap 1, while trying to overtake. Hamilton chose to overtake there. Hamilton understeered into Perez. Why does Perez need to leave more than a car's width? There's NOTHING in the rules that says he needs to do that. If you want 'racing' then cars shouldn't just wave another through.
@joshn1678 Жыл бұрын
Another max fan that doesn't understand the rules. Surprising.
@abhishekabhi-wq3tx Жыл бұрын
@@joshn1678enlighten us - the rules . With all the code numbers of rules . 😂😂. I already know your answer 😅
@AyukaAmameth Жыл бұрын
@@abhishekabhi-wq3txthen ham 8th wdc?
@Croga Жыл бұрын
Spot on @Ruylopez778 Why is everyone debating whether this was a penalty? Hamilton went for a move but didn't have the skill to pull it off. He drove himself onto the wet curbs even though there was ample room *not* to do that. That's an unquestionable penalty every single time, independant of what the end result is.
@Ruylopez778 Жыл бұрын
@@Croga Yeah, every time we have this situation, people accuse the stewards of making decisions based on consequences or favourites. I'm not even debating what should or shouldn't be a penalty, but the hysteria surrounding a decision that was inevitable. It was a penalty at Silverstone 2021, and it's still a penalty.
@shaunlevin5081 Жыл бұрын
I disagree about the penalty. I wasn't really sure if it was a penalty on the broadcast, but from watching the onboards and Sam Collin's analysis makes it clear it's a penalty. Perez gave space and Lewis understeered into him. Unfortunate for Perez, although he had no pace in general. Lewis really should've just waited for the bus stop. The broadcast didn't really do it service. Perez isn't entitled to give space. He gave multiple cars widths and Lewis kept his foot in to understeer. Luckily it's just a sprint so it doesn't really matter and Lewis is getting P3 in the WDC anyway.
@ElementsMMA Жыл бұрын
Everyone with half a brain can see that the car behind loses control and collides with the car in front. If that's Checo going into Hamilton then everyone is up in arms about Perez' wrecklessness. But its Hamilton, so a lot of these woke morons choose to play blind.
@nicof91 Жыл бұрын
Is there any solution to the british bias or we just have to deal with it?
@galaxygrl1047 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Agree 💯
@mrchippy7376 Жыл бұрын
What you on about?
@wouterboswinkel1713 Жыл бұрын
hamilton didn't loose grip, he went on the curb and desided too go the left.................and take the redbull out Like siverstone...it's his way of racing today
@Olli399 Жыл бұрын
Surprised Tommy completely forgot Lewis pipping max by 0.003 literally last race as the tiniest margin.
@newsmithyoutube Жыл бұрын
He was causing a collision and got a penalty for causing that collision. I really dont know what the big deal is here.
@Ebb2317 Жыл бұрын
Did you guys even watch Hamilton’s onboard when he punched a hole on Perez’s car?? Perez was on the edge of the corner near the curb. Where was he supposed to go?? Hamilton damaged Perez’s car on the exit of the corner (turn 15) before the straight (before Hamiltons front wing touched Parez again) Not defending Perez here, he’s just an average driver in a championship winning car. But have to agree with Penalty on Hamilton.
@Rasv- Жыл бұрын
Before RB, PER ended P4 driver standings in a midfield pink car. maybe re-watch older seasons before making yourself look bad
@Ebb2317 Жыл бұрын
@@Rasv-well thats my point. Maybe he is past his prime. He is an average F1 driver now. Doesn’t mean he is bad. Just means he is average in the group of F1 drivers now a days. Come on, Even world champions fade off their peak performance levels with time. And Perez has been nowhere near to even being a world champion. So I dont think I sound bad when I call him an average F1 driver. He’s had 2 seasons in Red bull, this is his 3rd, yet he has been nowhere near good enough to at-least compete for 2nd place. Let alone compete for the championship. And the only reason he has been sitting in 2nd place this season is because of the incredible car Red bull have given him. Give the same car to someone else - maybe Leclerc, Hamilton, Alonso, etc. (someone above average) im sure it wouldve been a different story. Where Redbull wouldve had to manage their drivers differences and fighting for pole and 1st places. much like Mercedes had to manage Hamilton and Nico Rosberg in 2014-2016
@joaomoura7686 Жыл бұрын
@Rasv- Maybe we should look to the multiple "Steering Snaps" Hamilton have when he is alongside another car....
@blogtwot Жыл бұрын
Calling Perez an average driver is being pretty harsh on the definition of average.
@driesvanoosten4417 Жыл бұрын
A few thing about the HAM vs PER situation. Firstly, the whole bit about consequences not being taking into account should be look at in context. If there are no consequences at all, it will not even be referred to the stewards. If there are consequences, it will. So in this regard, consequences do play a role. Secondly, during the race, I thought the penalty was harsh. Watching it again from the onboard, I changed my mind. Hamilton didn't steer into Checo or anything like that. But he took way more curb than he needed to and as a consequence, he washed into Checo. As Checo sidepod being messed up, if you listen to the sound during the incident, you hear that Lewis' wheel actually grinds at the sidepod for quite a while. It's not a tap. It in fact really surprised me that Lewis didn't pick up a puncture...
@gackauo Жыл бұрын
He didn't wash into perez, he stayed on the racing line the whole way as you can see from the top shot. The racing line was drying so easy to see.
@Gaomudlun Жыл бұрын
fair point! I thought Lewis press the throttle too hard that the car drag him into the racing line of Perez at first, but I think you're right after reading your comment and watch the onboard again.
@Ebb2317 Жыл бұрын
@@gackauothey touched twice. The top shot is after Hamilton had already damaged Perez’s car. Hamiltons front wing end plate touched Perez again (the top shot) after they first touched at the exit of turn 15. Where Hamilton’s front left tyre punched a hole on Perez’s sidepod
@cr7vaibhav Жыл бұрын
@@gackauoHamilton took that corner like there was no one next to him, too much speed and then clipped the curb lost grip ,made a slight correction and oversteered into Perez ,Harsh but was Hamilton's fault for losing control
@martinn.s2403 Жыл бұрын
yeah for me its classic hammy move, very intelligent very 'not my fault' kinda, but opponent ends devastated
@kes9684 Жыл бұрын
Sorry but hamilton loses the car as he said if u lose the car then its on you, hamilton had room on the inside clearly then oversteered into perez, how more obvious is the penalty
@arjunharsha Жыл бұрын
Even Perez had room on the outside, someone has to back out, it's just a racing incident
@simon9548 Жыл бұрын
@@arjunharshaPerez was ahead and he still left more than a cars width. What else can be expected?
@jrlnas4934 Жыл бұрын
Sorry but Penalty ALL DAY… Not a RB fan but contact causing car damage during the race like this always a penalty. He used Checo’s car as a guiding rail ! Same as Zhou in Hungary.
@Basjuh180 Жыл бұрын
100% true. He does it a lot.
@Fredhamnewey Жыл бұрын
Max does that every wheel to wheel racing only difference is that the other driver usually backs down
@jrlnas4934 Жыл бұрын
@@Fredhamnewey No only difference is that Max never opened a hole in the other driver’s sidepod
@Fredhamnewey Жыл бұрын
@jrlnas4934 lol he put his tyres on other drivers head and watch crahstappen compilations
@jrlnas4934 Жыл бұрын
@@Fredhamnewey I know all of them. Both of them suffered from the consequence of their stupid action
@ruthwikmuppala Жыл бұрын
I usually agree with you guys but felt you were inconsisent this time. I know the delay was not welcome but given the conditions today, and given how the FIA turned the 2021 race into a dud (it was the main race, not even a sprint which would have been more bearable), I'd say this was pretty much the best they could do. I know you guys overlooked "logistics" but on an already packed sprint weekend, I think the 4 hour rule shouldn't be overlooked so easily. Even in the FP vs sprint discussion, FP3 rarely has representative running, so if we compare a 45 min normal saturday quali to the 30 min quali + 30 min race on sprint weekends, I'd say the latter offers more "racing" view time for the audience. It was a pity we couldn't get the full 15 laps, but again, I don't really see how it could have been any better.
@chrisewins836 Жыл бұрын
You make a really good point, if the 4hr rule gets overlooked just cause a bit of rain is coming in then someone like Lance Stroll maybe doesn’t get to race cause they stacked it into the wall and the team need to rebuild the car.
@RacingIsLifeW Жыл бұрын
The more racing the better. I don’t care if it’s shorter
@ruthwikmuppala Жыл бұрын
@@chrisewins836 yes exactly!
@shaxxs Жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I thought too. If the FIA were to let them race without the 5 formation laps, the fans would outrage and called out the FIA of being unresponsible. In my opinion, the decision they took in the end are the best for everyone on the paddock, and at this point everyone that goes to the Belgian GP should expect the high chances of rain and delayed race
@giveuscyrus534 Жыл бұрын
Big L on your Hamilton penalty opinion. Check F1TV, he deserved it..punched a hole for crying out loud..not perez fault that hamilton cant control his car
@jordanb9363 Жыл бұрын
This is my first full season of following F1. Watched you guys a little bit last year from WTF and I'm really happy you guys are crushing the game in the F1 space.
@GriotDNB Жыл бұрын
Nice to have you on board!
@LCards2023 Жыл бұрын
same this is my first full year of watching but I’ve been watching f1 since 2022 Dutch GP so I’m a new fan
@bobcharlotte8724 Жыл бұрын
Welcome dude! Only my 4th season so enjoy getting into it more and more!
@djnfbrhkelkondwvb6853 Жыл бұрын
@@LCards2023y’all boys gotta go back and watch some of those classic 2021 races if you haven’t already
@moveonvillain1080 Жыл бұрын
@@djnfbrhkelkondwvb6853 2021 Highlights is how I was pulled in ... Started watching from Interlagos last year
@patrickwalsh1883 Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but how was Perez supposed to give more room to Hamilton? He’s ahead all the way through, basically near the white line/ curb. He doesn’t want to chance putting a wheel out there because of the wet conditions. Per has given Ham ample room to use on the inside the corner. Ham doesn’t have a snap of oversteer yes, but he washes out towards the edge of the tract, ie he’s got understeer because he’s gone in a little to fast where his line through the corner and Perez’s link and because they’re next to each other the make contact. Perez has done nothing wrong and yet received effective ‘terminal damage’. And it doesn’t matter how the rule or the officiating is written - the consequence of an incident is always taken into account. Take Spa last year, no pen for Hamilton with Alonso, why because Ham retired due to the damage he caused and Alo was able to continue relatively unscathed. Bet you there would have been a pen for Ham if they both retired or only Alonso retired. Furthermore I do think this incident has many similarities to one’s we have seen in Austria turn 4. Cars more along side each other in this instance but it’s still the inside car taking the corner at a speed where they’re always going to wash out to the outside curb where the car that has taken the outside line has to be because that is the edge of the track. In effect basic corner physics.
@BDSFormula1 Жыл бұрын
u a racing driver?
@Rhys78686 Жыл бұрын
Yeah no I couldn’t disagree more. Perez has been pushing the barriers lately with how much he squeezes drivers when making moves. This kind of drivers is going to cause collisions when the other driver pushes you back. Hamilton will do that and Hamilton was alongside and had the right to space. Perez turns in too early and Hamilton drifts a bit too far wide. Both at fault and is therefore a racing incident. Perez’s retirement should not be a factor in the retirement. That always used to be the case. I’m not sure why that has seemingly changed in recent years.
@_sgtbash Жыл бұрын
the cars are too big.
@benjaminscriven6637 Жыл бұрын
The incident may have similarities to Austria T4, but most if not all of those incidents resulted in the outside car getting punted off the track into the gravel. Perez was still able to carry on and even stayed ahead of Hamilton. Perez retiring should not affect the stewards decision for a penalty because, as Matt said, he was still ahead 10-15 seconds later. It is simply a racing incident with neither driver to blame it's as simple as that really.
@FlynnCameron Жыл бұрын
its a racing incident fullstop, and perez had half of the track onthe outside where they made contact, you just wrote all of that for no reason
@TheMrGermster Жыл бұрын
I think if Perez had to think about “there is a driver beside me I should give more room” then Hamilton has to think about there is a car beside me if I go in too hot and under steer in his car I should slow down a bit!
@ElementsMMA Жыл бұрын
Clearly it was Hamiltons mistake. He comes from behind, loses control and makes contact with Perez. There is no other way to view it other than Hamilton was at fault. But its Hamilton, so of course he gets the widest birth possible.. because racism.
@zeezmusic7245 Жыл бұрын
If Max went to the pit first time around he would lose 2-4 positions. Piastri was lucky that McLaren’s garage is one of the last ones on the grid, and when he made his pit cars behind had to stop behind him as well. RB’s garage is first on the right when you come to the pit, if Max made that pit in that first lap he would have McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes, Alpine immediately behind him and he would have to wait for them to pass or get a 5 seconds unsafe release penalty. That’s why Max stayed out.
@hittrewweuy7595 Жыл бұрын
It wouldn’t matter , max would have gone past everyone in front of him anyway
@zeezmusic7245 Жыл бұрын
@@hittrewweuy7595 maybe, but 2-4 positions was best case scenario, half of the grid went in to pit at that lap. So he could’ve lost many more positions. And with 11 laps and a safety car I’m sure RB wouldn’t like their chances
@Gecmajster123456 Жыл бұрын
"the 5sec penalty is harsh" - perez had to retire.. - car was damaged.. - hamilton would have finished 4th/3rd but the penalty is harsh.. make it make sense...
@DjDolHaus86 Жыл бұрын
I work a job which is weather dependent and it's not as simple as it may seem. My situation is similar to F1 in that I've got to make my decision with at least an hours notice as to whether the job goes ahead, if the expected bad weather doesn't turn up you get blamed for being too cautious and inconveniencing people, if you gamble on the weather being ok and it shits it down you put yourself, your tools and other peoples time/money at risk trying to fudge your way through it. Sometimes you look at the big black smudge heading towards you on the map and think, yep, definitely gonna rain in about an hour so I'll cancel and then the hour rolls around and it's clear skies for the rest of the day because the big rain cloud either emptied itself or decided it'd be more fun to swing north for no apparent reason, sometimes you look at the radar and there's a few little clouds hanging around but they're going to miss by a good 50 miles and then suddenly you're running for cover because one of those clouds took exception to your assumptions and dropped a thunderstorm right on top of you. It's easy to look back and say "well of course I should have done X or Y" after it's happened but when you've got expectation and responsibility on your shoulders you make some poor calls at times
@TheSpacecraftX Жыл бұрын
Curious about your line of work. My best friends brother works on offshore windmills. Sounds like how you describe.
@Jrh-rp7np Жыл бұрын
Watch Perez onboard,, Perez holds his line and Hamilton gets a quick snap of understeer into his car,,, and generally speaking when you put a hole in someone’s side pod and they have to retire the car when it’s 100% your fault your probably going to get a penalty…
@garrettc1973 Жыл бұрын
See that's part of the issue here. That judgement is focused on the outcome which the FIA has said it doesn't consider. The incident was a racing incident, the outcome was a penalty. Not to mention it's pretty inconsistent with the george max incident from earlier in the year where george put a hole in Max's sidepod and no penalty was issued.
@juancena2149 Жыл бұрын
@@garrettc1973you always have to include the incident in the penalty. I don’t understand why everyone keeps saying that the outcome shouldn’t determine the penalty. If you ruin someone’s race it should be penalized accordingly
@RacingIsLifeW Жыл бұрын
@@juancena2149 totally agree. If it’s a racing incident the way I look at it is if it’s not the others fault and you cause damage or take them out you get a penalty.
@garrettc1973 Жыл бұрын
@@juancena2149 everyone keeps saying that the outcome shouldn't be considered because the FIA have said so in the past... it's just applying their own standards to their inconsistent rulings. George took a hole out of Max's sidepod earlier in the year, max finished the race so no penalty for George. Lewis does it to Perez, Perez retires and Lewis gets a penalty. Totally inconsistent. The standard is that all that matters when deciding a penalty is the actions that caused the incident and the incident itself. Based on those factors it was a racing incident and therfore no penalty. It was only a penalty because Perez retired.
@2enthusiast4 Жыл бұрын
Sam collins’ F1 analysis has figured this out.
@SebuTK Жыл бұрын
Crazy how Hamilton had over 3/4 of the track width and still these people pay “Perez could’ve given more room” LMAO
@ElementsMMA Жыл бұрын
Theres a compilation of Hamilton just tapping the rear right side of the Red Bulls over, and over, and over... and here he does it again. He blatantly knows that his car is unlikely to be damaged, whereas the red Bull will be damaged severely. Its sad.
@ginomone1878 Жыл бұрын
Its funny how many times a MB driver has hit a red bull and making big damage. And still they call max agressive.
@soundscape26 Жыл бұрын
Max is always ahead, he doesn't need to be aggressive, but put him midfield with a car that's not a rocketship and...
@ginomone1878 Жыл бұрын
@@soundscape26 like Lewis had for 8 years and still he hit Alex albon 2times while Alex was in the points
@soundscape26 Жыл бұрын
@@ginomone1878 On some of those seasons Mercedes had a mere 60% win rate... then you compare it with this season and... I didn't say Lewis was not aggressive, no need to invoke him to defend Max. Both are cut from the same cloth.
@ginomone1878 Жыл бұрын
@@soundscape26 and yet max gets all the hate and Lewis gets praised by doing the same thing in the English biased media.
@21sled Жыл бұрын
Penalty against a British driver?!? BLASPHEMOUS 😂
@michelmayhem Жыл бұрын
As reviewed on F1TV by Sam Collins, it was a clear penalty. Lewis hit the kerb and slid into the sidepod of Perez. Not on purpose. but a just penalty nonetheless.
@jousis_ Жыл бұрын
It was a clear mistake. 100%. Penalty though....???
@zqzj Жыл бұрын
Putting a tire off track left him at fault. Had Lewis kept it in the lines, it would've been a simple racing incident.
@sfamerken12 Жыл бұрын
I am not sure about the not on purpose part. It seems to always "just" seem to happen to anyone that is just ahead of him.
@KelsomaticPDX Жыл бұрын
When I first saw it I thought he deserved the penalty, but upon reviewing the footage I really don’t think it was worthy of a penalty. I agree with Buxton’s sentiment that it’s a racing incident, and if we want hard gutsy racing we shouldn’t be penalizing honest accidents like that.
@Tortuguita117 Жыл бұрын
@@jousis_ yes
@einstijn138 Жыл бұрын
Hamilton has now caused similar accidents to Albon, Max and Checo by tapping their car while they're ahead and on the outside of the corner, leaving plenty of space for Lewis to make it.
@Lanse1984 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's funny how it's his little tactic that he does. I am sure the FIA are not unaware of this
@dereksbooks Жыл бұрын
Perez squeezed Hamilton on a wet track. He was always going to slide wide. You need to learn how physics and F1 works before exposing your stupidity. This incident was nothing like what happened in Silverstone 2021, but simpletons will equate the two 🤦
@fifaarw2998 Жыл бұрын
@@Lanse1984 he has perfected that move!
@phil4986 Жыл бұрын
The reason for the Hamilton penalty is that he can feel the front of his tires are about to give way and he does not lift. Instead, he continues to apply accelerator knowing, if the front of his car gives way, the side of Perez's car is there to save him. Hamilton literally aimed his car at the side of Perez's car and got the impact he knew was coming. The huge hole in the side of Perez car is really astonishing to see. Hamilton definitely earned that penalty. Hamilton COULD have lifted, dropped immediately behind and kept fighting but he took the more dangerous option. He's done this several times before.
@user-yl3pp8fy9w Жыл бұрын
Perez COULD have lifted, dropped immediately behind and kept fighting but he took the more dangerous option. Works both ways. Racing incident.
@wimg.2377 Жыл бұрын
It is Hamilton's signature move, he has used it many times over the years, even in his karting days, to yeet competitors out of the way that way, with no damage generally speaking to his own car, except once. It looks like a race incident, but it happens too often with him to not be a deliberate move. That's my opinion anyway. And he always complains he lost control, couldn't help it, bla bla.
@insAneTunA Жыл бұрын
I giggled like a little girl who's playing peekaboo with her daddy when Max Verstappen finished the line in first place. 😄
@Adam-fj9px Жыл бұрын
How did you post the trophy in your comment?
@insAneTunA Жыл бұрын
@@Adam-fj9px by clicking on the emoji icon and selecting the desired icon. Or you can type double points, followed by the word trophy:
@DOSdaze Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why they even bother shipping the full wets around the world when all they do is wait for the conditions to be good for inters. I'm trying to imagine what magical combination of conditions they are waiting for that has enough water to necessitate full wets, yet not enough water to cause spray/visibility issues. Instead of limiting the number of slicks teams get, they should just give up on the wets and admit they aren't going to even bother running in the conditions that require them.
@chuza_97 Жыл бұрын
In this sprint, the sun came out really quickly and track dried just as quick; if you go back to monaco last year it gave the race a gamble factor whether ppl pitted for inters or held on to wets and go straight to slicks. It was stupid, in this case that they did 5 laps behind the sacety car instead of giving a delay and starting everyone on inters
@Tortuguita117 Жыл бұрын
there was enough water spray when the safety car was doing laps 15 min before the formation laps, and sure the dont want another casuality in the rain this year in spa
@JIKwood Жыл бұрын
@@chuza_97 part of the reason they run the laps behind the safety car with the wets is to help dry up the track. The wets will spray the water off the track along with the cars aerodynamic effects. This eventually clears up the racing line making inters possible.
@soundscape26 Жыл бұрын
@@chuza_97 The purpose of those 5 formation laps was basically to dry the track as much as possible with the wets, nothing else.
@chuza_97 Жыл бұрын
@@JIKwood ik that sped it up, but if they delayed the start and w8ed, it would dry up the same
@burnzilla Жыл бұрын
Hard disagree with ham checo comments. Checo was ahead, with enough space. Ham made a mistake that dnfed another car.
@soundscape26 Жыл бұрын
The DNF was the only reason they gave Lewis the penalty... they judged the consequences, not the act.
@mikko3 Жыл бұрын
@@soundscape26 False. If they judged by consequences Lewis would have been disqualified or given stop and go penalty
@soundscape26 Жыл бұрын
@@mikko3 It was just a simple DNF, Lewis didn't send Checo flying over the fence or anything.
@mikko3 Жыл бұрын
@@soundscape26 "a simple DNF" thats not 5 seconds since its the smallest penalty
@tuttutteddy8889 Жыл бұрын
Piastri is such an exciting prospect. Truly, in my opinion the best rookie for years. Running under the radar big time seemingly
@BlissifiedHH Жыл бұрын
How is he running under the radar though? Everyone talks about him and everyone loves him now
@jfox71 Жыл бұрын
When was the last time a rookie was in this good of a car? He has done well though.
@ierbutza21 Жыл бұрын
Running under the radar? People talk about him 24/7 & have been from day 1 & rightfully so .Overreacting a bit if anything.
@zeezmusic7245 Жыл бұрын
Piastri is doing amazing things. He’s smart to decline that Alpine contract. He needed some races to adjust to the new car and he’s still not 100% yet, I’m sure he’s going to be much better down the line. The way he’s beating Norris so far in Spa is just so impressive
@Kurt-em4cw Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@officialWWM Жыл бұрын
Love seeing Landos ego being taken down a peg or 2 😂
@nickborden7417 Жыл бұрын
yes, it was a penalty. I don't know why everybody freaks out whenever lewis gets a penalty
@ecstasyecs Жыл бұрын
Because he gets penalties doing things others dont get penalties for. I think whats funny about this is you have pretty much every official of F1 saying that was a racing incindent except for the fans.
@brentvanderschelde Жыл бұрын
I think the more I think about it that's it's stupid not taking into account consequences for an action. I think they should change the rules that you can take into account consequences. the whole point is punting some out of a race or just touching, you are restricting someone's race
@HIPsteHeero Жыл бұрын
Perez could have left Hamilton more room? How much room is he supposed to give him? Go off track and let him by? He literally gave him all the room that he should, Hamilton literally has about a car width to work with, more than he plenty of time gives others for that matter. Lewis had no oversteer or understeer or whatever, like you said yourself. And YET, he somehow has this jolt of turning towards Checo? I'm sorry, but how many times are we just going to excuse this shit from Hamilton? He does this SOOO much, this 'accidental' turn in on his opponents where he ends up 95% of the time EXACTLY tapping the rear wheel of his opponent? Over FIFTEEN times AT LEAST has he done exactly that, and I mean EXACTLY that. You're telling me that's still just an incident, an accident, a coinkidink? Or maybe, JUUUUUUUST maybe has Hamilton figured out how effective it can work and was he just once again aiming to do the same to Checo and bump him off the track and out of his way by tapping his rear wheel, but just missed this time and hit the side-pod instead? And we're really saying that's just an incident, and the poor, poor innocent little boy didn't deserve a penalty for that? How many times does he have to do this before he actually gets the criticism he deserves for it? The guy has SO much skill and talent, even now in his lesser days, he doesn't AT ALL have to do any of those gross tricks, yet, here we are AGAIN. I was cheering my ass off that for ONCE, at least ONCE he finally gets a penalty for this shit. But OF COURSE immediatley everyone is jumping to the poor Lewis' defense, because he could kill a room full of puppies and he'd still be innocent...
@flintey360 Жыл бұрын
Yh I'm not reading all that weirdo
@michaelj63 Жыл бұрын
Not a Lewis fan, penalty was 50/50 at best. It's racing, this kind of thing happens. If anyone is biased I think it may be you.
@HIPsteHeero Жыл бұрын
@@flintey360 Then why comment to begin with? Not sure why that makes me a weirdo, when you're not reading something and still feel like you have to comment. But can't even be bothered to actually write yeah, lol.
@flintey360 Жыл бұрын
@@HIPsteHeero bro you don't have to write paragraphs for everything 😭😭
@HIPsteHeero Жыл бұрын
@@michaelj63 Not sure I said anyone was biased... I just gave an opinion? I know, shocking right? And how exactly am I biased then for just remarking what I've seen over and over again? If I 'accidentally' punch you 15 times AT LEAST, do you really then still believe it was an accident? Which was my whole point, it happens too often with him to not be suspicious at least. And seriously, how is it 50/50 when Checo leaves all the space for Lewis, and Lewis still pushes it and TURNS into Checo in a jolt? I'm so sorry for having an opinion and commenting that.
@masonblack9827 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion in racing it’s the passing cars job not to hit the car ahead Hamilton never completed the pass then hit Perez. Hamilton carried to much speed wanting to get passed Perez then hit him that’s a penalty.
@jacksonsilva4409 Жыл бұрын
Fair point.
@MrWaffel Жыл бұрын
After watching the onboards, my assessment is that it's a fair penalty for Hamilton. Of course both drivers have a responsibility during an overtake to keep it safe and clean, but the main burden is on the driver who is overtaking - Lewis, in this case. He's entitled to space, but that doesn't mean the racing line, or even a fast line. That's why you see so few overtakes on the outside, they get starved and have a bad run into the next straight. Drivers know and thus rarely even attempt it. Checo did his part. He left him the required space and kept to his line. Lewis had to drive over the curb to make the overtake stick (which is perfectly legal by Checo - it's not "off track", regardless of whether the weather makes it feasible or not), so Hamilton can either pull back and try again, or take the curb, and accept the risk of an "incident" in these conditions. Lewis knew what a wet curb does to his car. He chose to go over it. He was just impatient and caused a preventable collision.
@giants2k8 Жыл бұрын
Piastri is killing it. I haven’t been this excited for a rookie season since Max or perhaps even Lewis.
@ausingtv Жыл бұрын
Certain fans have been crying for pens left right and centre but not happy when their fave driver gets one
@freddiemarsh2009 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think people necessarily want more penalties they just want consistency
@pranc236 Жыл бұрын
I wonder what fan base that could be….🤔
@vinnievinnie-sj5kr Жыл бұрын
Well it’s dumb regardless you can’t do anything in this sport without getting a 5 second penalty
@vinnievinnie-sj5kr Жыл бұрын
@facepalmer1580 it doesn’t matter it was a racing incident
@vinnievinnie-sj5kr Жыл бұрын
@facepalmer1580 people hit each other in racing that’s just part of it damage or not it’s a racing incident
@kyleslater5245 Жыл бұрын
I don’t wish leclerc poorly… but I’m expecting some winners of a reaction from Matt tomorrow. And a good chuckle for the rest of us.
@ashlerstanley2 Жыл бұрын
He has done it SO MANY times, FIA needs to crack him down
@jorisheek5503 Жыл бұрын
Usually I think youre quite objective. That's why I like this f1talks. But this is straight up shithousery, Perez was still ahead you said? Yeah duh Ham just stayed behind for 2 seconds becuz of fhe bump. Hamilton with all his precious experience had plenty of enough room to even get the apex clean. He drifts wide wants to take to much speed, then bumps into perez side, just ending his race.
@TangoNevada Жыл бұрын
Are you implying he did it on purpose?
@jonasblomme1252 Жыл бұрын
right? lewis knew it was slippery and by taking too much speed he just didnt have control over his car anymore so he made contact with perez which left a hole in his car. I think lewis would always have gotten a penalty even if perez wouldn’t have dropped down the field. I find this a similar situation with verstappen at silverstone. hamilton was in both occasion fully in the right to try and get alongside but on both occasions he just took way to much speed into the corner which resulted in him losing control and making contact.
@TangoNevada Жыл бұрын
@@jonasblomme1252 On purpose? He intentionally made contact into the other driver, while they were both in the middle of the track and Lewis was well alongside Perez.
@jonasblomme1252 Жыл бұрын
@@TangoNevada no not on purpose my response was to the original comment, but I do think Lewis should have been more careful. He just took too much speed into the corner and it could have been avoided. Yes he was well alongside perez, but wasn’t in front of him and he had plenty of space left so penalty well deserved imo
@TangoNevada Жыл бұрын
@@jonasblomme1252Well. Perez had plenty of room on the outside. With Hamilton that far along side him, they both need to adjust to the situation and both had ways out of it, which makes it a racing incident. I'm no expert, but that's what all the experts seem to saying. Given the conditions, how far along side Lewis was and how much room there was on the track, they both decided to go for the same spot of track. But whatever, it was just a sprint race. I think Sprint Races and the points gained by them should be a seperate championship. It's so disconnected from the actual GP. that the points shouldn't be added to WDC's points.
@Santivalencia1 Жыл бұрын
Give me back the F1 from the begin 2000s and earlier. Good races in the rain, not a red flag as soon there is a drop
@Controvi Жыл бұрын
I believe the penalty for Hamilton was correct. There is a part of me thinking about it being a race incident but that is a very small part. Checo was already near the edge of the track and couldn't go much further. Hamilton chose to stick to the middle and run hot into the corner. He basically understeered into checo so to speak For me that is just a driver judgement error where there is zooooo much room on The inside of the corner where he should have been.
@akashjefe Жыл бұрын
There was room for another car outside of Perez when the collision happened.
@stormapex7014 Жыл бұрын
@@akashjefe and?
@Jaxymann Жыл бұрын
Ricciardo’s 10th place in a wet sprint race in that shitbox AlphaTauri is a good effort, curious to see if he can maintain a points position over the full race distance
@TangoNevada Жыл бұрын
Depends on if it's wet or dry. If it's wet, maybe, if it's dry, unfortunately I don't think so.
@ElementsMMA Жыл бұрын
He couldn't
@Nothing-kz9pj Жыл бұрын
I get arguing that hamilton was not at fault and it was a racing incident. But your brain actually needs to have more damage than perez's sidepod to blame perez for what happened.
@Kieran_OPC Жыл бұрын
It was just Racing that's what I seen. I was side swiped by the fact it was a penalty to Lewis the sports in pieces over this shit it's just embarrassing now
@VitzPatel Жыл бұрын
On the penalty, I think it's warranted. Lewis understeered into the side of Checo, but it wasn't deliberate. Him later quoting that Senna line afterwards sets a dangerous precedent. You have to judge the risks before sending it into a gap.
@Wuppie62 Жыл бұрын
Lewis went into Perez' line and his car. A 'tap' that destroys the sidepod of a car isn't just a harmless 'tap'. It's "causing a collission" eventhough Perez didn't fly into the barriers immediately. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/grV2q5N_sLCcZmw.html
@JW-qf2fx Жыл бұрын
yeh i can agree with that.... i guess it was risky and less safe, and caused a car damage, that easily could have fucked that session for that driver. Harsh but roles reversed Lewis is going to whine and want that pen
@Wuppie62 Жыл бұрын
@@JW-qf2fx Exactly: "Dangerous driving man!"
@watchingforvibes Жыл бұрын
Sam Collins puts out some really good analysis on F1 tv after the sessions. Using video footage of the LH incident, he explains how LH getting his right front onto the slippery paint caused him to lose just the right amount of grip, forcing him to make a slight correction. That slight correction happened at the exact moment when the two cars were closest to eachother. Its a racing incident imo, but i can also see how it is a penalty because LH's correction was because he put the tyre on a spot that caused the car to lose grip.
@birddogz545 Жыл бұрын
Hamilton has a history of hitting cars on his outside through corners, it's about time he caught a penalty for it.
@sadikurrahman4833 Жыл бұрын
@@birddogz545he got a penalty in all cases Another typical toxic rb fan
@sadikurrahman4833 Жыл бұрын
@@birddogz545bro has all of their comments crying about merc 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂what a crier
@tharealmb Жыл бұрын
He might have gotten a penalty every time, but he surely hasn't learned from it and also has a history of denying fault.... The F1 TV presentors were very quickly to jump on "very harsh penalty". He made a mistake, he got more than enough room from Perez, because of the mistake he hit the other car. So penalty. It's fine to race wheel to wheel. But if you make the mistake there should be a penalty. No matter who it is.
@AZBCDE Жыл бұрын
@@sadikurrahman4833Lewis has been getting away with it for far too long. Another typical toxic Mercedes fan
@florisbackx1744 Жыл бұрын
While everyone is arguing about the Perez Hamilton I do feel Gasly got away with murder with his release during the pitstop. All the teams held their cars in the same situation in order to not do an unsafe release. Oh and on the Lewis, Checo situation. The rules states 'causing a collision' and that was exactly what happened he caused a collision by making a mistake, it's his misjudgment taking to much curb.
@RenzeKoper Жыл бұрын
Seeing some stuff, Ham just turned in to much, got onto the wet curbes and drifted out into Perez, so Hamilton clearly is af fault, wirh the sprint format 5s maybe a tad hard but no penalty would've been equally unfair to Perez who got his race ruined
@stevelavergne2852 Жыл бұрын
I have to laugh at the idea that they should have ignored the rules for the show. All I see everywhere is people complaining that the FIA doesn’t follow the rules. 😂
@AZBCDE Жыл бұрын
Matt it wasn’t a tap and Lewis has a history of washing out wide to take out another driver 💀💀💀
@Rasv- Жыл бұрын
they get a lot of stuff wrong lately , not that fun to listen to anymore-
@wickedjuice Жыл бұрын
Perez has a history of defending aggressively 💀💀💀💀
@AZBCDE Жыл бұрын
@@wickedjuice Yes Controlled aggression unlike Lewis who is dirty and reckless with it. It not the first time Lewis has understeered wide and punted into another driver. That some danger driving man. It not bumper car racing you CLOWN 💀💀💀
@himeshmothi1605 Жыл бұрын
That wasnt wide, how do u explain perez pushing him onto the curb then? Lewis had every right to take the corner, he was ahead at the apex, it was up to perez to decide if he wants to back off or challenge for the position... Now considering the conditions, Perez knew the chances of lewis running a little wide was high...yet he still choose to box lewis in while having ample room to giv lewis more space... In fact lewis barely went off the corner, if perez was not trying to beat him to the inside line and stuck to his driving line, there would have been no contact. But perez made the call, n it didn't pay off ...Lewis tried everything to avoid the oversteer as u can see on the cam.. It's a racing incident...
@easy_s3351 Жыл бұрын
@@wickedjuice Yeah, you're right. Ham did nothing wrong by smashing into Perez's car, it's a completely legit way to pass an opponent who is defending aggressively.
@thatpersonthatguy Жыл бұрын
1. Car 2 was trying to make a pass, he did not make the pass safely and ran into his competitors car. 2. PCar 1 left proper spacing on the inside? Yes/ Car 2 leave proper spacing on the outside? No A Car 2 deserves a penalty Do i believe it was marginal sure. Was Perez going slow when Hamilton went for the overtake? No, he wasn’t. He was being patient, wait for a strait and overtake in a strait line. I’d say, good ambition ha,intoned but you don’t need to rush a move you’re more experienced and should know better than to force an overtake.
@KoeiNL Жыл бұрын
It wasn't a harsh penalty. Lewis risked it by taking the curbs in wet conditions and understeered. He had room to stay on the grippy tarmac but he chose not to. Perez left Lewis a cars width of space on the tarmac. Perez wasn't squeezing.
@WellTrue Жыл бұрын
To be fair I thought the 5second penalty was harsh, as I thought it was great racing…… until I saw the damage on Perez car and realised that Lewis hit him harder than I thought, shocked how Lewis escaped without a puncture.
@michaelgriffin3345 Жыл бұрын
Yh to be fair i think the only reason he got the penalty was 1, was probably avoidable, 2, the damage was severe enough that it ended perezs race. Had the damage been alot less would have been racing incident. Im not a Hammy fan, but i dont like unduly punishing people for no / silly reasons. I would have been fine if there was no penalty, but can understand why it was given. I think the Sainz one was worse and warranted a penalty which wasnt given. Lol.
@cubernikhil914 Жыл бұрын
when this video is almost longer than the actual sprint race
@PbPomper Жыл бұрын
Lewis has a habit of understeering into other drivers "by accident". In these tricky conditions it is on the overtaking car (coming from behind) to make sure he judges the situation correctly, which he didn't.
@dmurphy1578 Жыл бұрын
Contact with damage should always be someone’s penalty.
@MetalMilitia80s Жыл бұрын
It was intentional move to open the sidepod of the RedBull, George did it to Max a while ago as well, they are trying to see inside that sidepod
@AndrewGordonBellPerc Жыл бұрын
I feel like the Hamilton incident is the rules being applied as they are written, which can be harsh, but as we've seen with track limits recently things get much more confusing if you're inconsistent. Sergio was ahead into the corner, and thus had the right to the space he took, so long as he didn't force Lewis off the track which he didn't. That means that Hamilton has the duty of care to ensure that there isn't a collision, as he is the trailing driver, which he failed to do, thus it is a penalty by the rules. In terms of a "spirit of the law versus letter of the law argument", I think a case could be made for Perez as well, all weekend we've seen how deadly the white lines can be in the wet, many drivers have gone off, Perez was much closer to the lines, and could have easily been forced to go into a position where he could have lost control of the vehicle while still being "on the track" if he had taken that turn wider, Hamilton had more tarmac to work with, but chose not to, instead prioritizing the attempt to make an overtake which was never on, leading to the collision.
@ThommyOcho Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY. And a better way to overtake would have been Blanchimont anyway
@ecstasyecs Жыл бұрын
The Verstappen/Russell incident we saw earlier this year during a sprint was very similar to this though and Russell didnt get a penalty, major difference being Verstappen didnt retire his car. I still think theyre being inconsistent with their penalties.
@Mandykiss4500 Жыл бұрын
@@ecstasyecsFirst Lap Tax…most of the time, Penalties are not handled out in First Lap Incidents unless there is obvious dangerous driving involved…
@KoeiNL Жыл бұрын
Lewis opted to take the kerbs in wet conditions instead of grippy tarmac. He made a mistake. He caused a collision. He could have driven on the tarmac but he decided not to.
@prh47bridge Жыл бұрын
Except that isn't what the rules actually say. There is a convention that the driver in the lead at the apex (NOT into the corner) owns the corner, but this is a convention, not a rule. The code of conduct for drivers says that, if the overtaking driver has a significant proportion of their car alongside the other car going into the corner (as was clearly the case here) and can complete the manoeuvre safely whilst staying within the limits of the track, the driver being overtaken must give them sufficient space to avoid forcing the overtaking car off the track or causing a collision. So no, it wasn't just up to Hamilton to ensure that there wasn't a collision. I agree with Martin Brundle and many others that this was a racing incident.
@drewd2 Жыл бұрын
I disagree with you 100%. Hamilton absolutely deserved the penalty. It's his job to have control of his car, he was the one coming from behind, and you can't put all the risk on the guy who isn't in as much control. Hamilton took extra risk by putting more power into it causing him to drift up and hit Perez hard, shown by a huge hole in Perez's car. Now, you can say that taking Perez out shouldn't be considered, but the whole absolutely should be considered to see how hard the hit actually was. That 5 second penalty is about the only good thing the FIA did all weekend.
@abdooamr1778 Жыл бұрын
if u watched the onboard again hamilton never oversteer so basicly he didn't drift which mean ur whole point is not accurate
@FREEZERVideos Жыл бұрын
Lewis always manages to conveniently understeer into another car. He had previously had more steering lock. It almost looks like he intentionally understeers into Perez
@easy_s3351 Жыл бұрын
Noooo, not Ham, he would never do that.🙃
@gameofender4463 Жыл бұрын
Don’t like the weekend format. Rather more practice tbh.
@ericschout8058 Жыл бұрын
Of course it was a penalty. After celebrating extensively when he drove Max into the hospital at silverstone, nobody believes he didn't do this on purpose.
@kayleebartels8488 Жыл бұрын
"Perez could have left more room" - Tommy on Perez leaving Hamilton ONLY a car and a half of space (and that's without dipping wheels on the paint). Meanwhile, Checo's onboard shows he is approaching the outside line when contact is made. I guess Hamilton wanted to go through Checo to also get to the outside? Bold move...
@jonathankohut6779 Жыл бұрын
It was Hamiltons responsibility to not hit Perez. Plain and simple. Perez left more than enough room, but Hamilton wanted more and chose to hit Perez. That's not a "Racing incident". If Hamilton had tried to turn tighter and got oversteer or understeer, then it is a racing incident because Hamilton would have been attempting to avoid the collision. However, that didn't happen. Hamilton drove into Perez. It's a bit of a habit for Hamilton and I think everyone is getting tired of it, even the Stewards.
@mariof5146 Жыл бұрын
hamilton had the inside line, and for the past years, if you have that its your corner. why do you think verst didnt get a penalty 2021 for taking ham all the way out of the track and many other incidents after that ?
@elija8121 Жыл бұрын
haha what are u talking about XD
@jonathankohut6779 Жыл бұрын
@@mariof5146 it's only your corner when you're in the lead. When you're passing, the only thing you're entitled to is the room to attempt the pass. By your logic, it's Perez's responsibility to read Hamiltons mind and know how fast he's going, how hard he is going to brake, and what line he plans to take. If it was Perez's responsibility to give Hamilton whatever like he wanted, Perez would have gotten the penalty.
@easy_s3351 Жыл бұрын
@@mariof5146 Only if you're ahead which Ham wasn't.
@JesusPerez-uk1vc Жыл бұрын
We need to bring Maldonado back to teach Hamilton another valuable lesson.
@TeeeJaay1225 Жыл бұрын
ah Lewis Hamilton's signature pit manoeuvere against a red bull 😂
@declanl6239 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely nothing more checo could have done in that scenario. It was lewis just trying squeeze checo, no snap of understeer, just plainly wanted checo to yield the space he was entitled to. Argument whether or not racing incident or a penalty for Lewis, checo did all he could. Watching the onboard is what got Lewis the penalty, if he locked up or got a snap of understeer would’ve been an racing incident instead he just plainly drove into him. Pretty clear cut.
@skeletonmodel Жыл бұрын
I think the penalty is more cause of Lewis’ track record. The famous Mercedes little tap has knocked out a lot of cars. This could be a coincidence, but it has happened a lot. Ofcourse he’s not taking cars out on purpose, but he very well knows what happens when hitting cars at that same spot e-ve-ry single time
@ElementsMMA Жыл бұрын
Hamilton has tapped the right rear of a Red Bull and sent it out of the race more times than Piastri has F1 races. FACT.
@joeshap2003 Жыл бұрын
Might have been a border line harsh penalty but I think it's funny/sad how everyone on TV and now most podcasters, cry when Hamilton gets a rare penalty.
@michaelstankiewicz6617 Жыл бұрын
I have to question Pirelli on the point of their Wet Weather tyre. Everyone wants Inter's, and if it is wet enough that they need the Full Wet, then they don't drive (either in practice they sit in the pits or during a race it is red flagged or they sit behind the safety car). Should Pirelli make the current Inter the Full Wet, and then have something like the Supersoft but with grooves for an inter? Something that will go off really quickly if it gets dry, but can still get some heat into it?
@TGfoever Жыл бұрын
The wet tire is a pointless compound due to spray. At any level of standing water where the wet would be required, the spray will be too much and they will either delay or run behind the safety car until the point the point of dryness where the inters are preferable.
@kyleharrison713 Жыл бұрын
Not difficult, Lewis lost control of a car he was supposed to be in control of. All he needed to do was slow it down and pass him like he was always going to a few corners down the road, instead he turned into Lewis of '2021 against Max and just put his foot in it because he's stubborn. It also looks bad when your front wing slams into someones rear engine area, essentially showing you were still behind him in the first place.
@jebidiahcarlyon3543 Жыл бұрын
There were only 11 laps. If this wasn't the place for an opportunistic move, then when? Your comment reeks of not understanding the F1 regs. Perez was not entitled to the corner and had more space to give. If they had just touched wheels, no one would have even noticed much. The penalty seems to be for the damage, which is not how penalties are supposed to work...
@kyleharrison713 Жыл бұрын
@@jebidiahcarlyon3543 Perez was already dropping like a stone which is why Lewis caught him in the first place as Perez was on used inters and lewis had new inters. The pass was inevitable but Lewis acted like a child again and was impatient.
@jebidiahcarlyon3543 Жыл бұрын
@@kyleharrison713 Impatient is not an insult in F1. I think you may be projecting a bit with the child accusation
@sagradasinfamilia Жыл бұрын
Feels like we have been talking about the delays and the effects it had on spectators and teams. But then we forget that a young talent died at this track just a couple of weeks ago. Rather have them call it off than another incident like Anthoine or Dilano
@hazzerdous6292 Жыл бұрын
Remind me, how many fatalities do we get at the isle of man tt? Do they still run that? Motorsport is inherently dangerous, it says so on the back of the ticket. All of the drivers know the risk when they climb into the cockpit. You cant bubblewrap the sport, we have full wets for a reason. Use them.
@lywellyn0 Жыл бұрын
Hamilton wasn't directly alongside, he wouldn't have hit Checo's sidepod with his front wing otherwise. As a result, it's his responsibility for the collision and that's why he gets the penalty. Personally, I prefer this type of call from the stewards. They made the decision quickly and it seems pretty clear cut. If Hamilton had touched wheels, sure, racing indkcident, but that's not what happened. I prefer this level of tight calls to the wishy-washy nonsense of seasons past.
@kianh125 Жыл бұрын
I can’t lie. P1 with Matt and Tommy is the most GOATed podcast and channel on KZfaq for F1. Their synergy together is unparalleled and they bounce off each other so perfectly. Keep up the good work lads
@mattp1tommy Жыл бұрын
Money is in the post x
@kianh125 Жыл бұрын
Haha 😂
@kianh125 Жыл бұрын
Genuine comment though
@TheGothSpecialOne Жыл бұрын
I can understand why the sprint race was delayed due to the safety of the drivers after the tragic deaths at Belgium in the junior categories
@truettbyrom4388 Жыл бұрын
Lewis DESERVED THE PENALTY. He did to Checo what he did to Max at Copps at Silverstone; Lewis ran into a car that was ahead in the corner on the outside. NO ONE SHOULD BE HIT when they’re ahead in the corner! Lewis was RESPONSIBLE for staying on the inside, but he opened his steering and touched Checo, damaging his car. As hard as it may be to accept, Sir Lewis isn’t allowed to take out other drivers! Quit hitting people, Lewis!
@nikhileshkillada4217 Жыл бұрын
The thing with the sprints is that they feel weird because they are still experimental. Not every race weekend, only a few in the season. If you look at F2, sprint wins and podiums are just as valued as main race wins and podiums. At the end of the day, if the championship fight was close, these sprint points would be gold.
@Amory98 Жыл бұрын
The British bias coming strong. Perez was literally on the edge of the track and the gravel trap!!!! Where else could be have gone?!?! On the gravel to let the merc golden boy through just because the merc boy isn't tidy enough to execute a tighter line. If you're gonna overtake, you have to alter your lines accordingly, you can't just throw your car into another which is ahead and hope for the best. Deserved penalty.
@DaveMcKeegan Жыл бұрын
Checo/Lewis seems very similar to Max/Lewis in Silverstone 21 Lewis trying to overtake up the inside, not fully alongside and lets the car run wide - RB on the outside not wanting to make it easy for Lewis so keeping the line tight Its a tough call but isn't the rules basically that the car in front dictates the line (as long as they leave enough space for the other driver) and the trailing car works within the space they are left?
@KarvidSR Жыл бұрын
Its not even close to the same. Ham is fully along side, not tucking his nose in there.
@DaveMcKeegan Жыл бұрын
@@KarvidSR Lewis wasn't tucking a nose in at Silverstone, he was 3/4 of the way alongside both times coming up to the entry, RB's carried more speed through the corner because they were on the wider line - the only difference was in Silverstone Lewis had to back off much more than Max as Copse is a faster corner so by the point of contact he was a few feet further back than he was today
@KarvidSR Жыл бұрын
@@DaveMcKeegan Are you saying these 2 incidents are the same? Bahahhaahaha Delsusional haters are the most fun in this sport tbh
@eternal_trashero Жыл бұрын
@@KarvidSR he is not fully along side. No shot his front tire hits Perez Oracle r on the car while being along side.
@Ballacha Жыл бұрын
no idea what you are talking about. the penalty was spot on. ham was insistant on taking a certain line when exiting the corner acting like there wasn't a car to the left front of him. textbook penalty behaviour. bad take guys.
@cidiracing7481 Жыл бұрын
Perez left him enough space and Hamilton decided he can go faster into the corner than he can. Hamilton didn't take the line he originally started on and damaged the other car. He did the same last year in Spain with Kmag where he didn't judge his speed correctly and punted Kmag off. At least this time he got a penalty for it The bigger question is why is Perez so bad he battles a Mercedes.
@rjfaber1991 Жыл бұрын
Perez was actually attacking Gasly in 3rd, which slowed both of them down and allowed Hamilton to get within a few tenths of Perez. It's not a case of Perez being 'bad', just the natural consequence of cars battling on track being slower than cars driving their own line through every corner.
@TJMorrison. Жыл бұрын
Ham does the same thing over and over, and people will always portray him as a victim
@cidiracing7481 Жыл бұрын
@@rjfaber1991 That car is miles ahead of the Alpine. It's like Bottas battling with Russell in Imola.
@rjfaber1991 Жыл бұрын
@@cidiracing7481 Yes, but with only a single dry line and no DRS, it's still not easy. Took Verstappen a safety car restart to get past Piastri.
@hotshtsr20 Жыл бұрын
Perez had over a car’s width to his outside when contact happened. If someone is inside, you can’t just drive like they’re not there and keep turning. Inside guy dictates where you both are until you’re squeezed off. Hamilton was fully alongside, so the corner was his. That’s how it’s always been in racing.
@notso100 Жыл бұрын
There is a regulated 4.5 hour minimum between the sessions, if they shortened that time as a once off and a team didn't have a car ready how would that go down?
@hacob2004 Жыл бұрын
I think both cars should have to screw up for it to be a "racing incident." In this case lewis just understeered into his opponent and broke his car. Seems like a fair penalty.
@MrPrincePinocchio Жыл бұрын
No question that the only reason Max stayed out on lap 1 was to avoid pit traffic, with some consideration of possible yellows/reds.
@davekenkel Жыл бұрын
Mercedes sure likes to “just tap” cars the last few years. F1 has a massive problem with inconsistent stewarding and maybe it’s time to start to consider the outcome of an incident because you can essentially take out a competitor and get away with a very minor slap on the wrist.
@b1air77 Жыл бұрын
Not an RB fanboy and I haven’t watched the onboards but watching it live, Perez was too far ahead to give Lewis a free pass
@theresnothinghere4281 Жыл бұрын
You should really watch the onboard. Lewis is exactly even with Perez at the apex with the inside line. Perez squeezes him onto the kerb which causes the understeer in the first place. 100% racing incident
@skeletonmodel Жыл бұрын
Dunno, it happens a lot with Lewis for some reason
@Amory98 Жыл бұрын
@@theresnothinghere4281 Perez was always ahead, had they been side by side only the wheels would've collided and there wouldn't be a hole in the redbull. Now Tommy literally blaming redbull for breaking when being hit is the pinnacle of British bias.
@pc60 Жыл бұрын
@@skeletonmodel when where how many times?
@theresnothinghere4281 Жыл бұрын
@@Amory98 Perez was ahead at the point of contact but they were even at the apex. Perez squeezes Hamilton on the kerb which is what causes him to understeer. Perez had more space to his left and should have used it understanding that Hamilton would understeer off the kerb. If Hamilton doesn't go over the kerb then he hits perez at the apex. I'd suggest re watching the onboards
@traqnhristov960 Жыл бұрын
Yes, Hamilton totally deserved the penalty, no question about it. He knows Perez is there and decides in a classic Mercedes driver fashion "I'm gonna run you out mate". Well this time there were consequences. Props for him for actually hitting the apex this time.
@ThommyOcho Жыл бұрын
But I think that was the whole problem. Wet Kerb and the angle for specifically that corner was too steep. No way he could have avoided a collision with another car on the outside line ( which almost everybody took in the wet. Also there was a lot of room on the inside and Perez didn’t move one bit into HAM path.
@sstrafer Жыл бұрын
About the Perez and Ham collision, Ham had a bit of oversteer if you look closely. He goes with the right wheel on apex of the corner where is still some water. I think that the penalty is right because he went to overtake a car and istead he hit that car doing so, Perez retired from the race.
@argantosnl Жыл бұрын
Lewis picked a line through the corner that would make him hit Perez and did nothing to prevent a crash, it looks very similar to the Silverstone incident.
@hookedonhifi2570 Жыл бұрын
You got NFI
@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 Жыл бұрын
The penalty was deserved. Lewis didnt hit him intentionally, it has harsh consequences but it was deserved
@samjohnson7325 Жыл бұрын
Not a hamilton fan or hater. But he went for a cheeky pass up the inside in a fast corner complex. And washed out into checo and caused damage. Slam dunk penalty and also something he has done several times before
@Real28 Жыл бұрын
Thing is, this has happened a lot and drivers don't get penalized - in the dry - when they have more control. He didn't even wash up that much. And Perez was WASHED before this. Why was he falling backwards in the RB? Im not a hammy fan at all, given him a ton of shit over the years. But you can't hand out penalties for every time 2 cars collide and there is damage.
@JotaSE30 Жыл бұрын
Have you seen how many times he have avoided the exact same scenario when being on the outside?