"Iconic Canadian Steam - CPR Hudson Class" Featuring CP 2816 and CP 2860

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12 жыл бұрын

Here is a preview of Elevetion Media's DVD "Iconic Canadian Steam - CPR Hudson Class" feautring The Empress 2816 and the Royal Hudson 2860.
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@trainknut 3 жыл бұрын

I just realized the CP Streamlining basically combines the rugged, powerful locomotives of the US, with the sleek and elegant aesthetics of British railroads, symbolic of Canada's relationship with both countries.

@Mason58654 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, Canadian steam really is distinctly more handsome than most American steam locomotives, I think. It makes sense since they were a part of the British Empire.

@trainknut Жыл бұрын

@@Mason58654 it should be noted that under the shrouding 2860 is little more than an ALCO 4-6-4(Montreal Locomotive Works was a subsidiary of the American Locomotive Company) However Canadian locomotives ended up having their own particular blend of flavours that made us stand out, even among other countries that used the same overall types of locomotives (the US, Australia and Mexico primarily) CP’s iconic maroon red, CN’s Brunswick green, trimming and white walls everywhere. Canadian railways took great pride in their locomotives, as evidenced by the fact both railroads preserved a near complete catalogue of pretty much every class of locomotives they owned.(in many cases, several of each)

@Mason58654 Жыл бұрын

@@trainknut That’s right. They took such pride That there seems to be more operable mainline Canadian steam locomotives than American ones, Steamtown Scranton cones to mind. Either way, Canadian steam is some of the best looking in North America.

@railfanjackson4531 4 жыл бұрын

As an American, I have gotta give the Canadians credit for building some truly gorgeous locomotives. The Royal Hudson is among one of my top 10 favorite steam locomotives of all time. Now if only we could get a Selkirk running again...

@Mason58654 Жыл бұрын

I give the Canadians credit for having steam last a little longer up there. Because of this a lot of operable steam locomotives in the USA are Canadian.

@bradjames6748 Жыл бұрын

Lots of them lying around in parks and museums "Canada's Big Boy"

@bradjames6748 Жыл бұрын

@@Mason58654 Actually CN was one of the first railroads in North America to fully dieselize with the steamers being phased out in 57',58',59'

@Railfan513 2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much our steam locomotives I truly believe are the most beautiful steam locomotives ❤❤🇨🇦

@105C09 5 жыл бұрын

Canadian railroads have some of the most handsomer steamers ever.

@garymorris1856 7 жыл бұрын

These steam locomotives are beautiful, nothing like them.

@mattyrob87 7 жыл бұрын

Gary Morris I couldn't agree more!

@garymorris1856 7 жыл бұрын

+Elevation Media I really enjoy watching these steam locomotive videos. also enjoy videos of vintage aircraft, Ford tri-motor etc.

@kazanu23 7 жыл бұрын

Elevation Media There should be an exursion with both of them on the same train double heading

@kaotica69 6 жыл бұрын

Gary Morris is not

@kaotica69 6 жыл бұрын

Elevation Media l

@waynemerlo7448 4 жыл бұрын

The Empress 2816 is beautiful but nothing beats the streamlined look of the 2860 Royal Hudson!

@bobmclaughlin7276 3 жыл бұрын

I had the privilege of riding on board the train headed by the royal Hudson...they had a scheduled run from North Van to squamish. Back in 86 . Took a tour boat up to squamish , rode the train back...just walking past the locomotive while stopped,. Incredible heat coming off of it...the sound of it,. The size of the drive wheels,. "incredible at rest, majesty in motion"...an unforgettable day,. Heading down Howe sound and into West Van..(where I once lived)...

@christopherlong2301 9 жыл бұрын

Just went to a 75th birthday celebration and fund raiser for the Royal Hudson 2860, at the West Coast Railway Heritage Park in Squamish B.C. It was great to see her again after so many years. The hope is that she will one day steam again.

@trainknut 7 жыл бұрын

You would think a working royal hudson pulling excursions across the country would be something stockholders would love. One of the main reasons the NS steam program ever existed is for public appeal and to please the executives and stockholders.

@christopherlong2301 7 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the museum where the Royal Hudson is stored, relies solely on public donations. The Hudson used to run daily excursions between North Vancouver and Squamish back in the '80s. Back when the trackage was owned by B.C. Rail. It is now CN track, and there is a lot of red tape and hoops to jump through to run any of the museum equipment on the mainline.

@bradjames6748 Жыл бұрын

CN Donated the roundhouse she is stored in, probably their way of saying don't hold your breath regarding a reboot

@thomasnixon7702 9 жыл бұрын

Rode in that British Columbia "Royal Hudson" once for about 30 miles near Prince George. All I could hear in the cab was the crash-clanging of metal like inside a giant metalworking shop. We were doing about 50mph and the thing charged around on the rails like a wild animal trying to escape its chains. I thought we'd all die in the crash. But it was a thrill.

@jetseekers 6 жыл бұрын

HUDSONS !!! THEY STILL EXIST!!!

@CDNSpartan 8 жыл бұрын

I have ridden on a steam train in Fort Edmonton Park in Edmonton Alberta Canada. The train has been in the park for over 40 years

@bobbybaldeagle702 5 жыл бұрын

There isn't not sweeter sounding train than those old steam engines... and they stand proud and strong ready to eat up some more miles of track...

@Graulas 4 жыл бұрын

i think we can agree canada did a good job making steam engines, im happy to be in a country with these

@Shawnx-jb7sv 6 жыл бұрын

We sure hope The Royal Hudson in Squamish BC will return to service soon!

@WarfareRail 5 жыл бұрын

I got this DVD at Vancouver Train expo 2018! And I enjoyed every part of the video! Great job Elevation Media!

@metraking192 Жыл бұрын

Shame the 2860 probably will never run again. She was a beautiful engine

@jppicur 9 жыл бұрын

Some great film here. Excellent sound, too. Brings back some fond memories. Technical correction: Hudson is a 'type', not a 'class.' The classes are H-1-b for the 2816 and H-1-e for 2860. This is not a small distinction to steam people. Diesels usually are there to provide dynamic braking to save wear on the locomotive driver tires by reducing the need for brake applications. Steam locomotive driving wheels have separate tires which are heat-shrinked onto the wheel centre. Too much use of brakes heats up the tires and has (rarely) been known to loosen them. Regardless, application of driver brakes causes wear to a very expensive part of the locomotive. If the steam locomotive craps out to the extent it can't limp into a terminal, as someone below suggests, the Diesel is not likely to be much help. Railroad managements may insist on them for that reason, but railroad managements are not, in today's business-school driven hiring practices, terribly informed on what can and does happen when a steam loco goes wrong. Also, unless they are specifically modern passenger Diesels (basically, Via, Amtrak or a commuter operation) and are towing updated all-electric passenger cars behind them, they don't have provision for powering the electrical system of a passenger train. Although the crews usually are careful to minimize its use (on behalf of the paying customers), Diesel assist allows for a longer passenger train -- more revenue -- and also conserves water by reducing the load on the steam locomotive, lengthening the distance between water stops.

@trainknut 7 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure modern GEVOs might be able to help a steamer limp to a terminal, and power the electircal systems.(If a General Electric product can't produce electricity then we're all doomed) But a Geep from the 60s like through most of the video isn't going to have the power to be of any use if something goes wrong, nor the ability to power the cars.

@sitarnut 7 жыл бұрын

jpp452 Man, I wish I knew a fraction of what you know about steam locomotives. I was in aircraft engineering for many years, but is all light weight alum. components and a few bits of 321/4130. I finally scored Kirkman's, 1903 "The Science of Railways" Vol.1... fantastic so little changed from then up to the 1950's ( once the right solution was worked out.) Now, wish I had spent 30 years with the RR. My brother and I would play "chicken" in 1953 on the platform seeing who could stick-it the longest leaning out and looking down the tunnel as the steaming beast would approach... it scared us to death in the perfect way... still nursing a Lionel set along. Many thanks for swell info.

@ntphilp7553 2 жыл бұрын

For a general description, I think they were just referring to the 'Hudson' class of the CPR, not necessarily addressing the north America wide used ones.

@WarfareRail 5 жыл бұрын

I have hopes for the two to breathe life again, we just gotta have hope

@Spencer067 5 жыл бұрын

There is a chance to see 2816. It is CPs new CEO's favourite locomotive. But 2860 resides on CNs tracks. Last I heard both did need work on

@ziiofswe 7 жыл бұрын

Those are some stylish steam locomotives. Someone put in an effort.

@WestCoastRails 12 жыл бұрын

Another Iconic DVD fm these guys...if your a Hudson lover you gotta get this DVD!!

@justforever96 6 жыл бұрын

Oh man, that whistle! Why was I born in this era? I don't belong here.

@henerymag 5 жыл бұрын

I was born in that era. I don't belong here either, don't like it at all.

@LoganA3806 4 жыл бұрын

Same I like old stuff I don’t belong in this time

@johnangelico667 4 жыл бұрын

Here is some more Hudson whistle - night return in Melbourne, Victoria (Australia) of two Hudson R-class total 3:40, whistles from 0:37 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rrCHkq6Ulqyylnk.html

@joestrainworldvideos3977 4 жыл бұрын

Super steam train video. Fantastic. Joe

@barontaylor7139 Жыл бұрын

One of them was in the IMAX film Rocky Mountain Express

@bradjames6748 Жыл бұрын

2816

@mothmagic1 8 ай бұрын

Great train, great scenery. Beautiful Canada.

@julianstrong9812 5 жыл бұрын

Hi! Found you on Curious the tourist guide. This is great for the train lover! Keep it going!! Thank-you!!! js

@MichiganRailProductions 6 жыл бұрын

1:15, sounds like the steam whistle version of a BC Rail Nathan K5L! I love Canadian horns and whistles. Nice video!

@That_One_Guy_In_A_Band 4 жыл бұрын

Actually, from what I remember it's supposed to be a K5LA? I think? The same whistle, or at least a second one, was used on C&O 614, and was actually made and placed by the man who created the K5LA himself, if the internet is to be believed. Don't remember his name, unfortunately.

@rosangelaferreiradelimasou7117 2 жыл бұрын

Its not an steam version of this horn and i think its a air whistle

@bradjames6748 Жыл бұрын

CP must have been pissed about selling the 2860 for 500 bucks back in the 60s only to see what B.C.Rail made it into......the other plain Hudson 2816 was restored in the BCR shop by some of the same talented people 30 years later

@Mr.RailYard-LJLRailYard Жыл бұрын

This DVD is on my bucket list to get.

@jamesbelcher8509 Жыл бұрын

1:16 [train whistle] 0:35 [train chugging] 2:57 [train chugging]

@csxrailfanbronyzachbecker2105 Ай бұрын

I can assume the second whistle on these two Hudson class steam locomotives is blown with the touch of a button.

@XSquibX 5 жыл бұрын

3:33 I feel like drivers would be confused and call the fire department if this happened today lol

@XSquibX 3 жыл бұрын

@@azaabazha 11 years of no new steam engines and many taken out of service. How many of the current generation have never seen a steam engine before and wouldn't even think it possible that one would be on the tracks today? lol

@mattyrob87 12 жыл бұрын

@shininghappyperson7 For the 2860, BNSF used it for publicity. For 2816, it is to assist the locomotive on the heavy mountain grades. Hope that helps!

@joestrainworldvideos3977 4 жыл бұрын

I subscribed.Joe from Germany

@stuartadamsrailfanningvideos 3 жыл бұрын

Listen to 2860 bark up that grade from 0:28 - 0:53!

@miastaysko 8 жыл бұрын

The modern locomotive is being pulled because it has dynamic braking to assist the steam engine .

@struck2soon 8 жыл бұрын

I can't imagine dynamic braking would be necessary on a load which only consists of five coaches, it would be well within the capability of the steam loco's air braking system. Probably more of a back-up loco in case the Hudson failed, still seems a bit excessive though.

@tprdfh51 8 жыл бұрын

The diesel engine behind 2816 doesn't have much in the way of DB...it's there to provide additional air compressor capacity and to assist in the event 2816 fails on route. :-)

@trainknut 7 жыл бұрын

The real reason diesels are hooked up to excursions is mainly to provide power for the cars, back in the day they needed big steam generators, but most modern diesels can be hooked up to the cars and provide electricity and heating. 2816 is in really good shape, and that consist was by no stretch of the imagination a heavy load, so that diesel was most likely idle. Then again, Canada does have stricter regulations regarding steam operations, for example you might have noticed the ditch lights, it wasn't a fashion choice.

@ErickC 7 жыл бұрын

You're not going to get HEP from a GP38-2 or a C44, and even if they were HEP units (which they're not), you'd hear it, as HEP requires a constant 900 RPM. And you're absolutely not going to find a steam generator in any of those locomotives, either, since they were built long after steam heat was relegated to its proper place in history.

@brianfalzon6739 10 ай бұрын

2816 is back

@csxrailfanbronyzachbecker2105 Ай бұрын

Yep. That’s right.

@vanguard6498 2 жыл бұрын

eye candy

@SkyBlue6365 4 жыл бұрын

I wonder how long can the engine driver bear the sound of this engine

@robertbruce1887 Жыл бұрын

Great to steam still running in Canada ( curious, when was this video made?, has CP rail temporarily suspended its steam program?). Something for Canadian steam enthusiasts to think about: l just recently saw videos showing there are approximately 150! steam excursion lines operating in the U.K. l also saw a video of the U.K. steam loco Tornado clocking 101.6 m.p.h. on May 15, 2017!. To check this out google: Tornado 101.6 m.p.h. run 15th May 2017 PT2. So come on Canada, the U.K. not only has about 150 steam lines running, but can run some at record speed! I also saw video where in the U.K. Midlands ( Doncaster l believe) that they were building a complete steam locomotive from scratch.!

@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren 8 жыл бұрын

beautiful locomotives... but they are ruined by the stupid Ditchlights. Steam engines should not have ditchlights!

@Rebel9668 7 жыл бұрын

Looks fine to me.

@trainknut 7 жыл бұрын

I agree, but it is Canadian law, and they didn't do too bad of a job blending them into the front end. It was either ditch lights, or no Hudson, I think the choice they made was for the best.

@quizzyboi2320 6 жыл бұрын

Thunderbolt 1000 Siren Productions I aculey don't mind 2816 having a ditchlight if she'd were one

@WarfareRail 6 жыл бұрын

Thunderbolt 1000 Siren Productions this is Canadian Railway safety, every steam locomotives should be equipped with a ditch light

@ErickC 7 жыл бұрын

The steamers are okay, but look! A Geep!

@pantundanielalvaromanurung3751 2 жыл бұрын

Lokomotif diesel kecepatan mencapai 160 km/h

@AlexThePatriot Жыл бұрын

What happened to 2860?

@HugoBlueDiamondGalaxyBoi2009 3 ай бұрын

RETIRED IN 2010 AND HER FLUE TIME EXPIRED IN 2011. SHE RESIDES ON DISPLAY AT THE WEST COAST RAILWAY HERITAGE PARK ROUNDHOUSE. SHE IS STILL OWNED BY BRITISH COLUMBIA GOVURMENT AND I HEARD THEY DOES HAVE PLANS TO RESTORE IT TO OPERATIONAL.

@charlesdell2864 8 жыл бұрын

why is there a modern locomotive being pulled along also.

@TheCandoRailfan 8 жыл бұрын

Or maybe backup if 2816 somehow dies.

@whoisthisdude5437 7 жыл бұрын

Its for the electricity, and just in case the steamer breaks down.

@ErickC 7 жыл бұрын

None of the diesels in this video are capable of providing HEP. They're there because steam locomotives aren't particularly reliable.

@jppicur 6 жыл бұрын

See my reply above.

@silverstatehighiron 5 жыл бұрын

@@ErickC Not true. The diesel was there for dynamic braking. The steam engine was doing all the work.

@2011traincrazy 7 жыл бұрын

I can't believe these locos burn oil instead of coal. Isn't there much coal mining in Canada?

@whoisthisdude5437 7 жыл бұрын

Idk know the coal mining rate in Canada, but some US trains run off of oil

@justforever96 6 жыл бұрын

Not really. And there isn't any infrastructure along the tracks to refuel. It's much easier to pump the tender full from the same fuel tanks that fuel the diesels. I wonder how they deal with water? I didn't see spare tenders like some steamers drag nowadays, since there is no water towers. But it's still a lot easier to bring a pumper truck alongside than to try and fill a tender with a crane and a truckload of coal!

@WarfareRail 6 жыл бұрын

Harold Mohler the reason why they convert it to oil for 2816 because with coal it leaves burning Ashes witch leaves BC Forest fires so with oil it burns cleaner, also 2816 use to burn coal but they convert it to oil because of the forest fire safety, 2860 was already an oil burner since it was in regular service

@jppicur 6 жыл бұрын

After an efficient oil-burning apparatus was invented around 1900-1910, most locomotives in the western U.S. and in the Texas region burned oil, usually Bunker C. Western Canadian railways converted after WW2 with the Alberta oil boom. Conversion to oil saves a lot of money, in part by removing the problems associated with coal handling. Oil also provides a hotter fire, although this can be a drawback to the lifespan of some of the boiler parts. In Canada, coal is very expensive because, as you suspect, good steaming coal (high calorific value, low ash) is no longer mined. The only remaining coal-burning steam locomotives in Canada that I know of have to buy from the U.S.