But at least there’s Quem

also there's big Dis Pater

​​@@MushyYGO buddy That was meant for dragon link, if anything else

​@@idosarts_and_krafts my frendo it's for them branded and chaos

@@idosarts_and_kraftsNah you make him in Branded too lol

And doesn't help with generic water support like moray of greed

actually two of the cloudians are water/fiend.

I for one support the presence of WIND Cloudians solely because it makes me a little sad that Cloudians are incompatible with Loud Cloud the Storm Serpent, and I like the idea of playing the cloud dwelling snake with the cloud monsters, but I also fully acknowledge this is not a strong reason for splitting the attributes.

Why does this fact make it even funnier

So I guess we found out why he's making that face then

I run it as a dogmatika punishment target in my invoke dogmaitka shaddoll deck

At least it's a good super poly target

Fel runs it in a fun/"RP" deck alongside charmers, including the continuous spell card. Because it just automatically gives the full effect of the card and gives bigger ATK stats

I had some cases where Elysium saved me a game or 2. Great card, a but slow though because the summoning materials, otherwise, the effect is pretty nuts.

I was playing it during the neo shaddoll format. In the mirror super poly clears a winds mechaba and I dropped it on a dino player and literally ended the game by banishing everything

Salamangreat level 4 monster with an xyz material related effect and no salamangreat rank 4 xyz

@@rafaelromo9736 there is 1 In the OCG sooo good luck getting it

See I mentioned the Salad ritual monster in the damn thread lmfao

@@idkjustputagoodname6120 Blaze Dragon? That just came out in the TCG in GFTP2

@@AstralPhnx oh Good Also gotta love how KZfaq notifies me about the comment after I replied

Labyrinth Wall Link Monster that facilitates Gate Guardian and somehow breaks the game let's gooooo

Maybe they could do it along side some spin off duel style that facilitates the duel against them from the anime.

@@DeepCDiva expectation:Requirement: 2 level 7 monster Summoning gate guardian from deck ignoring it's summoning condition, gate guardian unaffected by all card effect. Reality: 2 effect monster, add one monster that cannot be special summoned from your deck to your hand, immediately after this (quick effect) tribute this card, special summon the added monster, ignoring it's summoning condition.

@@DeepCDiva labyrinth wall that can be used as a field spell.

Oh come on, we haven't even finished milking Yugi and Kaiba's monsters for DM nostalgia yet. Phantom Beasts still haven't gotten support. The 20th wave of Toons hasn't crashed upon our shores. Red-Eyes hasn't gotten another nonsensical wave of gimmicky cards. We'll see the Gate Guardian retrain in 2041 at the earliest

The deck was already janky when it was released

We’ve been urgently needing the advanced Crystal Beast retrains for years.

All the more reason the cards that require playing all 7 shouldn't be so bad.

2 *monsters* that aren't vanillas, they actually have a lot of good backrow that supports the archetype's gameplan

@@armedweiss5531 Yeah, too bad the monster lineup has like...3 good monsters, one of which requires a Garnet

also takes far too much effort to bring out, at that point just black rose and be done

Only for a few seconds… XD

Almost every Neos card qualifies for the list tbh

Divine Neos was brought up in the thread proper, but didn't make it into the video 😔

@@ab2aasd Sort of... There's a lot of cards that came out to help summon the Neos Fusions easier but, Divine Neos is just a bad card period. No good effect, poor stats, and costs way too much to summon.

@@Gigacorn Most likely MBT wouldn't allow any slander to the HERO archetype.

imagine how much worse is would be if it was a contact fusion like the other neos fusions

Agree. And what's more ironic is that Go Onizuka also have a Gouki deck that very good at link climbing and just better at every aspect than Dinowrestler can be.

@@wisnuamrihidayat3674 When my buddy told me the guy that plays gouki uses dino wrestlers now I was baffled and wondered if they wanted to nerf the character or something

@@slayerrazaro8174 And the funny part is, he did that after he lost to Playmaker, after gaining his "I am galaxy brain because I think faster than you" brain implant, and his "we're playing regular Yu-Gi-Oh now, no anime bullshit" Anti-Skill. He was supposed to be smarter and better now, and immediately flopped like undercooked bacon. To a much lesser extent, they did the same thing to Aoi, changing her Deck from Trickstar to Marincess.

@@elijahpadilla5083 Aoi made more plot sense with it being a cyberse deck

@@elijahpadilla5083 wait so because he took a L he went from a consistent hyper link spam deck to a not even close to consistent beatdown deck that can barely summon its bosses? Thats like how zane went from Goats level cyber dragons to cyberdarks

How? The field spell already does what it does.

It would be okay if defense points mattered ever, but the 4k booty doesn't justify the cost.

@@bijuutamer729 What field spell gives protection during your turn?

I think the actual reason was because Cyber dragons were in a Duelist pack, and they felt obligated to include a new boss monster. But Duelist packs exist to support the cards and playstyles the duelist used; and Zane's boss is unquestionable Cyber End Dragon, which they don't want to usurp but it was a bit to hard to build on. Solution: make a fusion that is literally it's exact opposite and hope that helps. In retrospect, I wonder if Eternity's reception was why they dropped the "obligatory boss" thing by the time we got to Mai's Harpies? I wonder what that deck would've gotten if they hadn't?

@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg Harpie's Eternal Pet Dragon?

The modern FTK plays it because you can turn 2 Kizan into it to get an additional name for Saryuja

@@marcmardini6873 The asshole is literally a body double both in lore and in actual viability.

Maybe there will be more cards that support bridging the two together copium

@@TheRoseReaper they can’t because ursarctics have an actual draw 7 card, and if the archetype gets any amount of good support then the archetype will become extremely strong

I do disagree for the sole reason that adding an Ursarctic to your hand is like the best thing this deck can do. Plus the fusion spell being a replacement for a tribute is honestly worth it on its own. Sure, the monster itself is incredibly meh but it does something useful to the archetype, something a lot of these can't say.

@@jcprofit hense the copium. Ancient Guardians was such a cool set. Shame we won't get support for the cards until 6 years down the line

whats funny is that in ursarctic you can play foolish burial goods to mill the fusion spell because its cost replacement effect can be used the turn its sent to the gy so it could be good... but ice barrier exists and entirely outclasses it for that. which is just showing how bad ursarctic is.

Valkyrion is still one of your Dark Gaia bunguses.

Gate Guardian has another use: It's the strongest Main Deckable Warrior monster to make UFOroid Fighter with.

@@mystikx2205 and it's searchable... by an awful card.

I used to fuse it in my Eldlich deck but yeah it’s good to play against me

then you super poly IT into a dragostapelia

Okay sure, but what are you accomplishing at that point? They can just get them back anyway unless you OTK right then and there.

@@MsMiDC It's too big for regular eldlich to get over, the only out is to use eldlich effect from grave, don't special summon and use eldlich hand effect. That costs two spell/traps

@@JarvidO Which you probably get back anyway, i'd rather be dealing with eldlich with Evenly Matched or any other thing that banishes eldlich or try to wipe the backrow and otk. If your opponent has 2 eldlich out super poly is a lot of the time not going to be enough.

If I may share a conspiracy theory: I actually think they made that. But Konami designers have to think about things the KZfaq Comment section rarely does; like "does this actually support anything or sell any reprints", or "is there room to build on this in the future" and of course "would this be more worthwhile as a new deck". So they present is to their bosses as "Hey, I've got this new deck idea about Xyz monsters that combine into a bigger Xyz monster. I originally made them as retrains of Gate Guardian & co. but realized they didn't really serve a purpose that way; so I was thinking we could instead make it a Super Sentai Megazord." And thus a would've-been Gate Guardian retrain instead became Super Quantal Mech King Great Magnus.

@@GiftOfKnowledge-np9vg I still think there's nostalgia money in duel monsters you just have to shift the focus on the weirder stuff like the gate guardians, pain's demonic cards and protect the castle plan and maybe even the not kaiba and have corrupted / phantom monsters

@@jerryjezzaberry5009 True, but there's a catch with anime nostalgia; people want not just to play nostalgia decks, but nostalgia cards. Heck; to Konami, anime decks usually are their anime cards, especially if it's a deck or themed named after the card. All that to say; I think it's a bit unthinkable to Konami to support Gate Guardian with the retrain route because people want to play the legendary Gate Guardian. I mean I'd prefer that. With Great Magnus already proving the gameplay experience, all any Gate Guardian support could offer is letting me play Gate Guardian. But the full retrain route is always the easiest way to feel like you're supporting anything (that's why it tends to appeal to guys on the internet like us when we wonder what support something should get); so anything better requires a bit more creativity, and so I imagine it gets put on the backburner as they work on easier to support stuff. PaniK, if he ever got support, would probably be treated at least a little similarly, though I'd compare it more to Ishizu in that they'd pick something he played and say "okay, you've got to play this. We'll replace everything else with new effects to replicate the strategy, but this one thing you've still got to play because it'll be named in all the effects. It's the one nostalgia card you're playing and the one reprint we're selling." With PaniK playing nothing good like Ishizu's Exchange of Spirit, it'll probably be the at least semi-iconic Castle of Dark Illusions. And Ghost Kaiba I don't think would ever get his own deck because there's nothing to his existing deck but stolen Normals, and they can't just make a new deck from scratch and say it's Ghost Kaiba's deck despite playing 0 of his cards. Best you could hope for there is a Phatom Blue-Eyes introduced as new Blue-Eyes support as a nod to the guy.

He did specifically say Branded. Luluwalilith is a Despia monster.

That modafaqa ensures that if we ever get a meta Insect zenolocked archetype in the future that would put up a full board of "supposed Insect boss monsters" on the field, you would just need to put him in the ED and a Super Poly to whoop all their insect asses into the garbage can. He is more of a Insect counter than an actual Insect support! Still, requires 4 materials is too much even as a Super Poly target tho, so i guess you have to run him in an Insect deck also, to maybe take 3 from opponent and 1 Insect from you as materials? And that supposed "meta" insect deck must have to dominate so much that you would constantly playing mirror matches for it to be used as a Super Poly target in the first place.

@@sekaihunter9378 thank you for this, I laughed too hard at this 😂

The intent was for you to use the beetrooper tokens to fuse for it, not most of your actual monsters, But I can see why people dont enjoy it.

Ah the Chimeratech Fortress Dragon curse

If verte could send necro fusion it'd be lit

Disagree. Nothing’s funnier than slapping down a card with “Mommy” in the name and watching the life slowly drain out of my friends’ eyes as their life points tick down turn by turn

Melffy Mommy is good against really high attack, hard-to-remove dudes like Blue Eyes Chaos MAX... Until you realise that Ronin Raccoon Sandayu just does that betterm and then you remove mommy from your deck

You can pump melffy mommy full of materials, reprodocus her to a cyberse, rank up into Alembertian and search any spell/trap in your deck...CRAZY!!! NOT CLIQUEBAIT

I can’t not include the mommy card.

Melffy Mommy is a horrible card but it still works in theory with the archetype itself. Its supposed to have synergy with the trap but the trap is bad too (also the is the possible synergy with joyous melffy)

I've never understood why nobody seems to like Mad Golden Lord. If anything its main "flaw" is just that normal Eldlich is already strong/consistent enough that its presence probably won't make much difference either way. I guess you could argue that's space you could've used for something else, but outside of that it plays fine in my experience.

Most of the time the extra deck in eldlich is used for pot of extravaganze fodder so it doesn’t really matter

@@ventu7907 True. Although less so in the Zombie World variant, because Zombie World actually likes having an extra deck a lot of the time.

@@desreploid3353 you are right I should have specified I was talking about the trap heavy variation of eldlich

It requires you to play the fusion spell which isn't actually all that good and is really only used to summon Mad Lord.

I mean it works with the decks gimmick, was decent at the time and big. Doom Dragon isn’t good nowadays and even then was usually just worse Dark End Dragon, but the deck could summon it reliably and it had uses for its time. So I don’t think it really counts

@@frankwest5388 See, THAT'S where the funny part shows up. They have 3 of 'em, and both do MILES better than Doom Dragon. Hundred eye essentially is a big combo extender, as you can banish something like Necromancer to bring back Archfiend and keep going from there, and Void Ogre Dragon is basically a negate. Doom Dragon essentially is the weaker link between the 3 and thanks to certain cards having protection or floating, One singular pop effect ain't doing much nowadays.

The funniest part is between Infernity and Blackwing is the former uses Onimaru as a boss monster while Blackwings now use Lyriluscs as boss monsters.

Even in DL Infernity still uses Onimaru cause we have Coral Dragon.

Doesn't Atlas' ATK boost effect make it bigger than Hercules anyway? Not that you'd want to use it over the summon effect unless you're trying to flex, but that goes to show just how much of a slap in the face Hercules is.

@@Gigacorn Yeah. Atlas gets 5000 atk with its effect, beating Hercules. What an shitshow of a card lmao

@@Gigacorn the Inzektor player at my locals regularly uses the atk boost to 5K against me because my deck involves a bigger bungus(Nephtys let's Gooo), so it's not completely BM material

@@Gigacorn the Inzektor player at my locals regularly uses the atk boost to 5K against me because my deck involves a bigger bungus(Nephtys let's Gooo), so it's not completely BM material

Im way more pissed at Beetrooper Landing than Hercules. Literally just a searchable poly that goes back to hand at a steep cost.

And for some reason the archetypical fusion card is a trap, and its effect is a vanilla fusion effect. Doesn't do anything extra to make the summoning easier.

@@Kerim9991 And even worse, Unification is played for its graveyard effect

Not to mention you can send resonator insect, gokipole, the link-2 that can banish 3 to comeback (giving neptune the ability to summon himself from hand) and any amount of tokens. The fusion isnt bad at all, infact beetroopers can consistently end board with Absolute Hercules, Mighty Neptune, Invincible Atlas and a cicada king. And being immune to everything is really nice since Neptune can boost it by 1000 each end phase

@@shiggydiggyjones9953 True, except for the boosting thing as Hercules is unaffected by your own effects as well and you should try to "reset" him once he becomes affectable if you can.

Make a level 11 dual Avatar that combines both the fist and feet together like they were meant to Konami

Link monsters as overlay units was a wacky one

Orcust :p

Yeeeeah... Its best use is other cards copying its name and effect. It was an anime reference over playability. The fact that Melodious and Lunalight did not get a "Parasite Fusioner" Fusion is probably because them being Fusion decks already means it would be at least on brand.

It also broke Tyrant Neptune and Supreme King Starving Venom. Lyri fusion was a mistake.

... and yet somehow people would rather ban all the effect copier cards than 1 monster whose sole purpose is to be abused by effect copiers.

@@luminous3558 its less about not banning independent and more about not restricting future card design

​@@luminous3558 It's a problem that flows both ways to be fair, those effect copier's will eventually find another target to break with (such as how starving venom copied Electrumite), even if this thing in of itself was not made or banned, and this card will always serve as a stupidly good target for any monster that can copy it's effect with even a remotely high level should it remain. It was the best option to copy, but it doesn't mean those monsters weren't gonna be stupid eventually in their own right. If anything, effect copying should come with some notable downsides, such as preventing damage for the turn or locking other aspects like special summoning, but in most cases, there were none (in starving venom's case, it actually gave the benefit of full piercing for all your monsters), and that was just ridiculous for the ability to copy potentially limited or powerful effects where the downside was the original monster they were attached too or a OPT condition.

Look no further than Branded

Good news . . .

It’s a handtrap floodgate, you’d think that’d be enough, but it just isn’t

Nah. We need an archetype for Winged Dragon, Guardian of the Fortress #1.

Good news!

We have had “once per duel” so it’s not weird for the game to know what a duel is. Just an odd specific condition.

@@runningoncylinders3829 Yeah, I just find it weird that the game somehow remembers what you did x number of turns ago. It could be a stall Timelord deck and be 1000 turns after and it would still remember.

@@Shugunou Has anyone ever gotten a draw through an unendable game state? Not an infinite loop like Pole Position which has preventable rulings in place, but a stall so efficient that still allows player interaction to lead to a thousand turn game?

@@runningoncylinders3829 I don't know. The person might have one card in their deck to get through it or at least set up the conditions for Overdrive out of 40 cards and not be lucky enough to draw it since the cards keep getting recycled.

This is why Malefic Paradigm Dragon is worded the way it is