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Lmao, she didn't need to zip it closed into a bag.

@@Handlebrake2 what would you do in her situation though, she’s obviously terrified and traumatized

@@madelyndale lmao, just leave it out? Why would I chuck it in a bag, zip it up, and ✌️

@@Handlebrake2 when you’re in that situation where you don’t want the baby and are bleeding out you’d do anything

on top of the fact that she said “i knew something was wrong with my body but i figured if i ignored it it would go away” meaning she hadn’t even admitted to herself REALLY that she was pregnant

Imagine getting this pressed over a show 😂

@@scottmoses6606 😒

@@DangerNoodl3 🤔

@@scottmoses6606 🤦‍♀

That’s literally what these pro-lifers are doing in the comments.

Yeah, she must have been beyond in pain and distressed. While she knew what she did and what she instinctively wanted to do to a certain extent, it's understandable for her to freak out really badly if she keeps bleeding nonstop without knowing the reason nor how to stop it. I think punishing her is going to go nowhere. She had had her own punishment both by experiencing the pain and having the memory for life. She needs both physical and mental rehabilitation. And a loving caretaker.

Anger does that to people sometimes That being said,they should punish the parents or any adult responsible for her for doing so little to help this girl. (Although I wouldn't be surprised if they're terrible parents to the 14 year old girl)

2:51 she looks like she’s pregnant

​@@robertbreschard3493she was at this time

Oh, come on! She clearly tried to abandon the baby

She zipped him up into a bag.

She was delusional, confused, in lots of pain, about to pass out, and A CHILD. No child should have to deal with a situation like this and be expected to react appropriately.

Also you tell me and watch the video from 3:07 and tell me that’s someone you go is worried about the baby they were “next” and were totally “not” hiding.

she put the baby into a bag 💀

Her sister actually doesn’t want her and she runs away

@@wiltyner101 what happens to the baby?

Agreed. Her crimes were a product of such a traumatic and broken upbringing. It sounded like she had no education on puberty or any of that. the poor girl didn’t deserve to be punished.

@@ichigokurosaki8523 neither the sister nor the girl took the baby

The baby needs to be taken away a 14 year old kid can not take care of a baby

She put a living breathing baby in a bag and tossed it in an ally like it was trash. Okay here is zero excuse for that. Hats why safe havens exist. She could have gone to the hospital and they would have helped her with no judgment. Helped her safely deliver help her give the baby up what ever. If she is old enough to make the choice to have unprotected sec and get pregnant and not do anything. She is old enough to do the right like.

@@Kels42 If we were talking about a sound minded adult I'd agree with you. Traumatised teenager? Different story. "If she is old enough to make the choice to have unprotected sec and get pregnant and not do anything. She is old enough to do the right like." The law says she's not old enough to make that decision. She's not old enough to vote. She's not old enough to drive. She's not old enough to make her own financial decisions. Most 14 year olds aren't good at dealing with long term consequences. Not because we smother them or whatever, pure neurology. And that's when they're well adjusted and raised properly. "Thank god the female doctor was there to give the female pov" I'm sure I'm missing something because I lack ovaries. I do have base empathy though. Not enough to see Kels point of view I guess.

@@Kels42 when i was 14 let alone 16 i didn't know what a safe haven was, it took another girl at school being pregnant for them to educate us that those exist. I can honestly say if this was me at 14 and i had no one theres a 50/50 chance i would've done the same or dropped it off at a random persons house not knowing shat to do🧍🏼 14 is still a child for sure

If sex education actually educated teens on what sex safe is, there would a lot less of these situations happening.

Stop trying to rationalize leaving a newborn baby abandoned in a cold alley. There’s no excuse at all. Her being a traumatized teenager means nothing when you’re willing to let someone else die

Either 13 or early 14

Just because someone gets pregnant at a young age doesn't automatically mean they were abused In this day and age many young teenagers are having sex .Maybe she has a boyfriend

@@joyfadele3104 The story mentioned she could be charged with solicitation, aka a grown man sexually abused her.

I agree with your point but law is still law and it illegal to pull a baby in a bag and zipped because the baby still feel pain I think she didn’t do it one purpose but she was scary and sad or frightened but in law it illegal to do what her had done because her still young she would not know what to do so she do that because she not even have a guardian to teach her or she was super frightened and don’t know what to do.

As a 14 year old girl you have the moral right not to never ever get in that situation. ❤️ But streaming for help telling a adolt you are pragnent ore giving birth ore just in a lot of pain and let them take you to the hospital whod be the right fing to do.

Whatever i still don't know what safe haven means and i dont care

@@christopherantonyjacob4794 then look it up. It’s where parents can put they baby in correct and stable medical or home environment without being punished by the system. For example a lot of mothers who are homeless put their babies in safe havens so they can give their child a better life. All it takes is a simple google search but with your stupid comment I can see why you didn’t do that first 😡

@@Sandra-ct1rd Your lack of understanding and compassion for how she ended up in that situation is astounding. There really are some terrible people in the world.

@@arielcrass2342 thanks for explaining xd and btw if i wanna google search for every stuff which i don't know i would be trapped in google for so many hours or more .so i don't care to search google unless i need it for myself

True

Sounds great in theory until you add something called reality. Did you not see at 3:07 when she dreadfully asked if she had seen the bag (didn’t ask if she saw the baby but rather the bag) and when the doctor replied they did she didn’t look concerned or worried about the baby but rather the fact that they found the bag.

@HAMZA JALIL Mind you... this is a tv show so not reality regardless but... most kids are more troubled with the prospect of getting in trouble than the moral implications of their actions. This is why it's impossible to test and diagnose things like borderline personality disorder in teens and children (aka; sociopathy and psychopathy). For example, as a kid you are more worried that your parents will find out and punish you for hitting your sibling over feeling guilt and shame for hurting your family member. She asked about the bag because it's easier to ask about it with the inference that she's asking about the child within the bag vs outright asking about the baby. She said she was trying to ignore everything that was happening to her, getting pregnant, being pregnant and then giving birth. Thats avoidance and it's a trauma coping mechanism and it's unsurprising for a kid on the streets with her background. It's very realistic that a child's brain instantly would worry about getting in trouble first. Her second thought was how she messed up and she said how she's grateful that the doctors found and saved the child. You have to remember that children's minds and even teens minds do not always think rationally especially when you add trauma and blood loss to the mix. Then think of how a kid with her background would react in a hospital given that she's all alone without support and she's been arrested by police for solicitation in the past, it's unsurprising that she'd hesitate to talk.

@@amandasnider2644 but from the looks of it the man who found her/helped her to the ER found her around the corner a ways from where she delivered and left the baby. So she delivered the baby, placed it in the backpack, left the backpack in the alley and started heading to the ER/walking away. If she was trying to save the baby why not take the baby with her? Why leave the backpack behind?

@@amandasnider2644 I’m sure that this being a tv show is quite obvious and was not necessary to touch on (assuming you weren’t trying to insult my intelligence) but just in case it wasn’t obvious for you…I know. Second, the issue isn’t whether she was portrayed “realistically” as to what a child would or wouldn’t do but rather a completely different discussion is at hand which you conveniently ignored. It’s great you’ve got that knowledge and mental capacity to understand the psychology of a child but I’d urge you to take that energy towards reading the comment where the actual argument is if it can be argued that she actually was saving the child. This is where you analyze the evidence and see if the narrative (of her saving the child) can be portrayed. A) A baby is zipped closed in a black bag. B) The mother is around the corner and approx. 20ft away. C) The mother has disassociated with the baby by referring it to “the bag” which you’ve so kindly explained the mechanisms behind it. D) The mother is underaged. E) A doctor coaches her on what to say to the police because even he knows it’s wrong and he understands if she lies then it’s not wrong. If she was saving the baby why did she need to be coached on what to say? F) The mother solicits on the streets but isn’t aware of pregnancy and her options. I’m sure I can go further but once again how does any of the evidence show in any way the argument that she protected the baby as explained by the original comment or by your comment? As for emotions I can understand she has a stressful situation but that doesn’t mean we excuse her actions due to her age, gender, or environment. She had ample resources, she deliberately made bad choices, and even a doctor had to coach her on what to say (which was far from the truth).

They had to write it that way because there had to be some kind of right/wrong situation for there to be a story line.

@@aklemon06 sadly that exact storyline plays out all too often, although it's usually not the healthcare providers jumping in on the misogynist hype train trying to toss CHILDREN in PRISON for not being taught about their bodies or where to turn in a crisis (besides a church).

@@dietotaku Hey, I get his point of view. I was in the military, which is why I can see how they have his character come off as such a tight ass. At the end of it all, he did help her, right? So he can't be all that bad. Sometimes people just need to be taken out of looking at things only at their point of view. It takes a person who cares to be willing to look at things differently, learn from the situation, and make it right at the end.

​@@aklemon06 its not just a story and tv show. Actions have consequences especially in real life.

If sympathy fixed everything and so so long as it fits your subjective biases and opinions, applying your logic, why not free all criminals and remove prisons?

They’re teenagers

@@edgarallanpoestheblackcat6613 okay? She’s still not an adult. She literally got pregnant the year she magically turned into a teenager

@@edgarallanpoestheblackcat6613 a teenager is still a child because anyone under 18 is a child

@@edgarallanpoestheblackcat6613 14 year olds are still minors, aka children.

She isnt dumb, she tried to kill her child

So why leave the backpack behind? When the doctor has the guy who brought her in take him to where she was found they run to the spot. Then they go around the corner to the alley. She made it a fair distance from where she left the baby. Why not take the backpack with her? By leaving the bag behind it makes it seem like she was attempting to hide the baby rather than trying to keep it warm. A random backpack in an alley is much less conspicuous than a random newborn in an alley.

@@ericaschaidt8588 again she's a child. She doesn't know what to do in that situation, a child was never PREPARED for a situation like that. She left it because she wanted to pretend it didn't happen and when she passed out and woke at the hospital she realized she couldn't run away from it and only THAN did she realize she did something bad and she felt horrible for the baby she could've harmed. But I don't think she wants to be a mother on account of being an immature CHILD but maybe she thought this was the best thing to do. She could've put him in a dumpster or just left him out in the open for anyone to see and take him, but she chose to hide him in the bag. But because she is a fictional little girl we won't know

Not to mention the fact that statistically, most teen pregnancies are caused by GROWN MEN. The doctors are treating her like a criminal instead of finding out who did this to her. They even mentioned how the girl has been in and out of foster homes… It's blatantly obvious that she was being abused.

@@Chaos_Gargoyle a 14 year old knows leaving a baby in a bag in a cold dark ally is wrong tho

@@brennathecatlover4360Not always the case when said 14 year old is delirious, bleeding, and having just given birth.

If you think that, you might not want to see how the rest of the world reacts

If this had happined in Asia they would not have helped the girl and baby they just disgusted

If it happen in UAE girl exatly would be arrested and nobody felt sorry for him

​@@shuhratturakulov1375They don't even realize our elders even married their adult husbands even without being forced by our grandparents and they had the audacity to look down on today's women who did the same thing as them

@@NYD666why would you tell your parents that just makes it worst 💀🙄 my parents would probably kick me out

Geez.... you were a child too

​@@sonjahonkamaki3408Not really. I was legally an adult, had my own place, and full time job. I was young, but I wasn't a child. Hadn't really been one for a long time before I had my own, tbh, but not really interested in getting into that ATM.

@@sonjahonkamaki3408 She is Almost a Adult not a kid

@@juliemckinney4551she is an adult

The fact that underage girls would be arrested for men buying their bodies. Just nuts. This is why the Nordic model works so well. It is not illegal to sell sex, only to buy it. Protecting the victims

That's not how the law works or should work. An investigation needs to be completed, and then judged. You don't get a free pass. A broken system doesn't treat everyone the same.

@@matthewfarrell317an investigation was not necessary as she was not in her right mind and couldn’t as well as shouldn’t be charged for it. The law in the us has never been applied to everyone equally. Not in real life or in this particular show.

@@BannanaBunny21 It's also possible she was SA'd. My sister and I were sexually assaulted several years ago by our uncle, got my sister pregnant and nearly got me pregnant as well (mind you, my sister was only a year pregnant at the time) SA can do a number on you especially when you're a vulnerable teenager

She “wasn’t in her right mind” but had the mental capacity to conceal the baby in a backpack and then zip it closed? People with a diminished mental capacity don’t attempt to hide things because, in their mind, what they did was justified. Look up Andrea Yates. That’s a textbook case of diminished mental capacity. Additionally, the hospital not only had the right to call law enforcement, they had a responsibility to call. Medical professionals are mandated reporters. They had a legal obligation to notify law enforcement, and if they didn’t, they could be held criminally and civilly liable. They would also be stripped of their license to practice medicine. You seem to have a lot to say in defense of the mother, but couldn’t care less about the innocent baby that was left to die in a backpack on a side walk. Thats rational 🙄

At the end he did

He was worried about the baby as well and had an adrenaline rush. Regardless of the girl’s circumstances, she could have easily called 9-1-1. She ended up hurting herself and the baby.

At fourteen you do know what to do. Your having sex and you get pregnant. You have a baby. No excuse. If your doing adult acts you need to step up.

@@NicoleCzarnecki You're assuming she had a phone to use and the mindset to call WHILE giving birth. And again she's 14 with truly awful parents as role models and no one is helping her. We all know the foster system is corrupt. Being harsh to this 14 year old is just cruel and heartless, especially from another woman, do better

She left her baby to die.

She tied the umbilical cord and put the baby inside a backpack and closed that backpack…

@@yaima0901 and? she's 14, not even fully matured, during pregnancy hormones' are crazy and the pain must of been unbearable. she's a child and that's that

​@@sam8629 even at 14 I really don't think your first action after giving birth should be "put the child in a backpack and zip it closed." She didn't have anyone to help her I understand that but her intent on abandoning and possibly suffocating the child was very clear. I know people who go through unwanted pregnancies abandon them all the time but so close to a hospital where baby could and would've been found and taken care of? She could have just left the bag open so the baby had a better chance at survival...

@@sam8629 i hope you feel the same way about kids taking hormones and having surgeries to change their sex at 10….

@@yaima0901 you realize full grown, perfectly mentally stable women have been driven to murdering their kids in cold blood because the effect pregnancy hormones and withdrawals from the decrease in those hormones have on their bodies, right? Not to mention the 14 year old had NO support, NO pain medication, AND was bleeding to death. She immediately regretted her decision and asked the first doctor she saw once she was conscious if someone had found her baby, and said she was so glad he was alive. When you're losing blood you cant think clearly, when you're panicking you cant think clearly, when you're in immense pain you cant think clearly. Its a miracle the girl was even able to clamp the cord and dress herself after all that happened to her.

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@@lafq whos the city in this show run by

The older sister probably wasn't old enough to take her in

Big surprise for you here- DCF and similar don't always care about kids at all. A lot of the times they wont put in half the work they need to, that's why so many kids end up in abusive foster homes. Theres also a good chance the sister wasn't making enough money to meet their requirements of handing over the little sister.

I think that's why Dr. Manning made that pointed comment about keeping a family together and Goodwin interrupted her. She was implying that they didn't do their job well enough. Meanwhile Goodwin was trying to keep the peace.

@@sydneykripp1533 but old enough to live on her own in another city?

@@dietotaku I never said my theory was based on true facts, this is a tv show

same here. She didn’t want her baby to die she just didn’t know what to do in the moment.

I'm 21 and I wouldn't have thought of that like they said in this clip and I was like "oh yeah you're right that would have been an option, smart" though maybe I'm just dumb

As far I have noticed, people here are way to judgemental to understand what she was going through. It's so weird that all the laws seems to change for a girl with a baby, even though she is underage and was probably abused, they want her to act like an adult. She didn't even seem to know she was pregnant, she probably had no idea what was happening and definitely didn't know what to do or even if the baby was alive, I'm pretty sure she was expecting to die herself.

I’m 15 and I would’ve known it’s pretty damn obvious

@@whatsomeonesaidwastaken9216 Sadly, not every girl your age is as smart as you. :(

If a fourteen-year-old doesn't know that she's been living under a rock. Police stations fire stations hospitals adoption agencies she had a choice she did not have to try to kill her child

Both would have...

Suddenly recalling that time she practically kidnapped a child. Still baffles me she got to keep her job after that

Manning is someone that I can't stand with her judgemental ways. My mom would have her job if she ever talked the way she does to some parents to her. The little boy that had surrvy, Manning judge the mom without knowing what the mom was really going through just made me mad. Although Manning does have good points. The mom that was starving her unborn baby, The child that had the bone issue that made it look like she was being abused but wasn't.

Wasn’t he in foster care himself? He gave her the authoritative orders she needed at the last minute to keep her off the records. Respect.

At 14 you know what life and death is…

@@yaima0901 At 14, you also know what money is, but that doesn't mean you have the mental capability to be responsible for it or make rational financial decisions. At 14 you're still a kid and your brain is not developed enough to think in the way that adults do. It's for this same reason that minors can't be tried as adults in court and legally have limited culpability when committing crimes. Also... considering how terrible the American education system is, most 14 year olds don't even really understand sex or pregnancy at even a basic level, let alone the consequences.

​@Yaima Vazquez When you're hemorrhaging, it doesn't matter what you know or not. She was in shock and was losing a serious amount of blood. No one can be expected to think rationally in a situation like that. Edit: and the baby wasn't crying when they found him. If he also wasn't crying at the time of birth, she very well could have thought it was dead and panicked. What 14 year old who has little to no support system is going to know what to do after just giving birth, while bleeding out, when the baby isn't crying?

@@nickmoyes7075 well you’re assuming it wasn’t crying because it fits your argument but idk and you don’t know if that was the case or not, and again I’m not saying she should know what to do I’m saying she should know what NOT to do, and what you DO know at 14 is that leaving a newborn in a backpack is a death sentence…

That’s not an excuse. Safe havens exist for that reason. She knew what she was doing. She throw that baby away like it was trash.

Bs. Get out of jail because she is a female. Bs

@@Kels42 bro even the fathers just throw the baby away. I didnt know safe havens were a thing until I was 17

At 14 you know life and death at 14 you know that a baby inside a backpack will die….

@@MacabreAfterparty did you know at 14 that leaving a baby in a backpack meant death right?

The social-worker is not evil. Just hard and cold after living in a evil word for to long.

I tho fell hate but I shod not

@@Sandra-ct1rd I never said she was evil I just hate her for how she said that the 14 year old kid could face felony charges

@@joshuacorless1233 I get that, I feel the same. If the law says that, that just a bigger problem than the social-worker saying that the law say that.

@@Sandra-ct1rd you obviously have no idea how serious felony charges are

A 14 year old girl who put a baby in a backpack and let it suffocate…why not just leave it, or put it front of someone’s door. If you’re old enough to have sex, you’re old enough to leave a baby in front of someone’s door… Also I am woman…

​@bh9995 she was literally dying and delirious

​@@bh9995that's the thing though, she's NOT old enough to have sex. She's a damn kid...

It doesn’t matter what she did what matters is what happened, also being a woman doesn’t mean you’re exempt from being an ass hole about a woman’s matter. One more thing 14 year olds make mistakes it was just an unfortunate mistake that her mistake was bigger than others.

@khymber_confidential it's not that she's a woman it's that she was dying and delirious enough that that hospital probably wouldn't even have given her a choice of whether or not she wanted to keep the baby until she was lucid enough to make decisions. She is 14 years old which means her brain is not developed enough to be able to make these decisions especially not on her own that's why when you are still a minor your choices and actions are under the responsibility of the parent or legal guardian. Was what she did a good choice? No, of course not, but she shouldn't be completely blamed for this especially because of the blood loss, the shock, and the fact that she's just had a baby which can mess up so much stuff hormonally it's not even funny.

What does clamped mean

@@NeelaSaunders To force down on something, particularly with something sharp. Basically saying she cut it off.

She should had kept her legs closed

No excuse

@@FunGamerFever she passed out… her intention could’ve been to bring it to a safe place

@@keribere244 By stuffing the baby in a backpack? Come on now

@@FunGamerFeverin a cold wet filthy alleyway? Yep

Thank you for not victim blaming. This is one of the most disgusting comments sections I've ever read. Absolutely appalling.

@@LifeIsAHighwayIAmACarCrash I swear they’re all old men

I had several American girl dolls at that age. 😂

But if you notice she didn’t collapse in the alley next to/near the backpack. The guy who showed the doctor where he found her led him to the spit, then they walked around the corner to the alley. She placed the baby in the backpack, left it in the alley, then walked away until she collapsed where the guy found her. Had she at least brought the bag with her the baby would have been brought in when she was.

​@@ericaschaidt8588She knew she was bleeding and probably walked away to get help. She then collapsed before she could get anyone to help.

The fucking judgement for a LITERAL CHILD giving birth. Unreal. I’m very sure that if men could get pregnant they’d just be doing this and it’d be considered “normal”, easy to judge when it’s something you will never experience

Still no excuse to abandon another life. Old enough to know that

⁠@@FunGamerFeverbrain is not fully developed she blacked out

The lack of empathy in this comment section is concerning.

I’m a mother for two children a girl at 14 should not be going to jail for hiding a baby it’s not her fault like I would let the kid be she has a life to live not take care a child she knows about child support all that bills ☹️ 😓 she can’t even provide mlik

@@user-mr7su5gu7h I know right?! They should do something about that

And in season two when two fighters go to the ED with one being jewish, he inmediatly felt disgusted with the fighter

​@Nicolás Diez why are you lying?

He was abandoned by his father, so I'd imagine abandoning a baby is personal to him. And Maddie cares too damn much.

I disagree

Same I hate him with a passion

how did the state fail? she ran away or got kicked out of every foster home, school is a legal requirement so its on her if she didnt go, and she wasnt protected because she refused to be fostered. id argue that shes makes stupid choices without thinking about consequences, which isnt the states fault. then again its a tv show so it doesnt matter

@@Scotty-vs4lfHow about you rewatch the video?

@@ebisukurosuki8673 i just restated everything they said in the video... maybe you should rewatch or at least tell me how u think im wrong

@@Scotty-vs4lf foster care is a crapshoot for one. It shouldn’t be worse than the parents the state is supposed to be protecting kids from but it is

@@alfobootidir2474 foster care isnt ideal obviously but it's definitely better than living with her parents

I wasnt considered baby when i was 14 so your point

@@christopherantonyjacob4794 14 is SUPER young. How old are you? If you're a full adult you should also see that 14 year olds are CHILDREN. When they say she's a baby having a a baby they're refferring to her as a child having a child. She's barely a teen. The point is that she's a literal child having a child.

@@Enya_artist well i hit puberty when i was 11 and did adult stuffs you know what i mean by that Plus i never felt super young when i got beaten by old people since i was 4 and held accountable for every mistake i do

Yup. Pro lifers logic. Its disgusting

@@christopherantonyjacob4794which is wrong you should have been treated as a child at that age

YASS, YOU TOO!

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Yes. , thanks🤗

Mmm I’m Genderfluid Am I Still Included?

You too, my school said nothing so I didn’t know until my mum told me, that was a bit rude of my school in my opinion 😒

I know. It’s always the females that have to be held accountable for everything. Makes hardly ever have to take accountability for their actions.

That's society for ya! If you have the ability to get pregnant, you're not seen as a full person in some people's eyes! You're just breeding stock to them!

Fr! Istg, emotions are a goddamn obstacle to logic. People care about only the baby and NEVER the mother, no matter what she goes through...

@@arundhatis6042 no it's the emotions and logic that are heavily lacking. People lack empathy and intelligence these days.

I would not know if the adds on KZfaq would be squared and that might be the cause of the mouse bar on a laptop ( such as mine ) to be slow or just the rain from may the second.

@@robertbreschard3493 this is highlighted!!?? i don’t even know what is being said???!

She bleeding to death too. By the time she got there she didn’t even have the strength to speak. What makes them think she could’ve carried a baby that far??

Even under 22

I’m in my 40s. And I don’t always know the right answer. Non of us really do

Brain is not through growing until 25