Meat: Grows the Brain or Rusts the Body? What I've Learned Response

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Meat: Grows the Brain or Rusts the Body? What I've Learned Response

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4 жыл бұрын

What I've Learned has made another video mostly defending a component of meat that has a large body of research pointing to harmful effects. This time it is heme iron.
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Randomized Control Trial on Iron Supplements:
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General Deficiency 12 mcg/L:
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Calcium Supplements Reduce Iron Absorption:
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Recent Vegan Study Showing Equivalent Iron Levels:
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WHO Meat Report:
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WHO Materials on with Heme Quote:
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Rodents Don't Spontaneously Get Cancer:
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Rat Colon Length:
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Heme Iron GENOTOXIC to HUMAN Colon Cells:
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Never Animal Study on Heme Iron and Cancer:
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Mechanism for Heme and Cancer:
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Meta-Analysis Connecting Heme Iron and Colon Cancer:
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Heme Iron 3 and 2 times increased risk for Esophageal and Stomach Cancers:
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Heme Iron 57% Increased Risk of Heart Disease:
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40% increased risk of stroke for high BMI:
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Heme Iron Increased Diabetes Risk:
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Heme Iron Increased Mortality Risk:
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Low Carb Diet and Mortality:
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WHO Data on Children With Iron Deficiency by Country:
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Vitamin A Study:
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Tanzania Dark Leafy Greens and Iron Study:
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Fetal Heme Iron Study with 58% Misquote:
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Vegans Eat Way More Iron:
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Heme Iron and Gestational Diabetes:
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General US Pregnancy Anemia Rates NOT 58%, ~11%:
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Vegetarians Have Higher Iron Deficiency Review WIL Cited:
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Highlighted Study in Review with 2 Deficient Vegans from the 90s:
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40% iron in pork heme:
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Excess Iron can be from meat, alcohol increases absorption:
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"Excessive iron contributes to the deposition of β-amyloid...promotes the development of AD."
www.ncbi.nlm.n...
UCLA Study on Alzheimer's and Meat Quote From Researcher:
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"The most important dietary link to AD appears to be meat consumption..."
www.ncbi.nlm.n...
Plant Protein Equal to Animal for Muscle Mass:
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Vitamin C Increases Iron Absorption:
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Whole grain iron absorption garlic or onions:
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@MictheVegan 4 жыл бұрын

Guys that 58% stat really threw me for a loop. I believe I am still correct in that it was a misapplied figure from that study (link below) since it was mentioned right after quoting it and is such a related figure to that 0.42 low iron status number. But let me know if I am wrong and I will be happy to pin something. In the case of his video and my video just having one set of eyes on details like this before release can encourage mistakes. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237230/

@jamesbradwood5064 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mic! One dry cup of Oats has 3.8mg. That's 47% of what a man needs per day. And unlike spinach, you don't have the oxalate concerns which would be associated with 4 oz of spinach.

@Srieire 4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbradwood5064 the more you try and justify the vegan diet with chronometer the more vegans will slip through your grasp.

@jamesbradwood5064 4 жыл бұрын

@@Srieire Don't be a tird, Jagoff.

@earthtoaura8315 4 жыл бұрын

Great video as always! Will you please do a video on ghee? I know you've mentioned it a little before but I'd love to hear more. Ghee is becoming really "trendy" in the wellness community and so many people think it's some sort of supreme superfood. I'd love to hear your perspective on it, Thanks!

@Srieire 4 жыл бұрын

@@jamesbradwood5064 that really upped the standard of debate. Good job. Do you ever wonder why most vegans are now ex-vegans? Maybe why the most zealous vegans have been vegan less than a decade? From your last reply, maybe you don't think much at all?

@severinbrunner60 4 жыл бұрын

Hint for testing your iron levels without spending money: Just go donate some blood every once in a while. They'll measure the hemoglobin content in your blood and will tell you if you're deficient. Plus you help people.

@TheInterestingInformer 11 ай бұрын

I do this for cholesterol lol

@LevelUpWellness 4 жыл бұрын

“What I’ve Learned” AKA “What I Want To Believe”

@kimberlybrookes5844 4 жыл бұрын

Arthritis to Athlete - lollolololol!

@elizabethkelley5260 4 жыл бұрын

Get that greasy shit out of your hair!

@MarkusWaas 4 жыл бұрын

Vegans - The one and only group of completely unbiased truth seekers in this world. Thank god for those.

@kimberlybrookes5844 4 жыл бұрын

Elizabeth Kelley - STFU his hair is nice

@lug358 4 жыл бұрын

@@MarkusWaas i was biased once because i was not born vegan, so...needed an open mind to learn new things. As a psychology student, nobody is unbiased. Nutrition is a mistery science, in the sense that until very recently there weren't made a lot discoveries in nutrition. Nutritionists themselves are starting to admit that the information that they learn in college, along with the books they use, are very outdated, some have more that 40 years of age. That's a lot of non actualized information. Little by little a lot of nutritionists that are not conformed with what they learnt 20 years ago, are starting to learn new nutrition science, and they are starting to be vegan and recomend a good vegan diet.

@allsparks83 4 жыл бұрын

That's weird. Im a vegan and my iron level is perfectly fine. And i don't even plan my diet. I just eat and take a b12 supplement but my recent blood test showed no deficiences whatsoever.

@dj-fe4ck 4 жыл бұрын

@MushroomOnceToldMe 1 I've donated blood 10 times since 2015, that's 1.25 gallons of blood, and I haven't eaten red meat since 2013, and I STILL have never been anemic. My hemoglobin 8 weeks ago was 14.6.

@dj-fe4ck 4 жыл бұрын

Ferritin levels over 100 are very unhealthy. You want it at least below 100. Below 50 may be better. That's why you want to avoid or limit heme iron and iron supplements.

@happygimp0 4 жыл бұрын

This is normal. Vegans get about twice the iron compared to omnivores. No one that is not anemic should look that he gets more iron. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26502280

@allsparks83 4 жыл бұрын

@MushroomOnceToldMe 1 I've been a vegetarian since 2012 i think. Maybe even longer. And i'm a vegan since 2016. I eat a lot of legumes and other plant foods with iron and I've never had any deficiences. My last blood test was done a few weeks ago because i felt kinda sick. My doctor was like: You are a vegan? You feel tired and sick? You gotta be anemic. She was astounded when she saw my blood test which didn't show any deficiences.

@Academic_G 4 жыл бұрын

Studies have shown no higher incidence of anemia in vegan populations. Also, I, similar to Nic, know a couple of women who have solved their anemia only after going plant-based

@ghostoyster 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting this so late at night. I’m drunk but as I asleep I can learn

@BlakeMadsen 4 жыл бұрын

This is my favorite comment in 2020

@blakea.e.1681 4 жыл бұрын

@@BlakeMadsen me too and we have the same name

@shermansadventure1151 4 жыл бұрын

It amazes me how people so focused on being healthy with their diet continue to poison themselves with alcohol.

@leNutsackOfDoom 4 жыл бұрын

Which people are you talking about ??

@shermansadventure1151 4 жыл бұрын

@@leNutsackOfDoom Anyone who puts a great deal of focus on consuming healthy foods/drinks, yet are more than happy to pour a literal poison down their throat.

@ethicalrevolution3294 4 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you mentioned it but vitamin C also helps with iron absorption. So if anyone is anemic or concerned, just combine some high iron with some high vitamin C foods, which you should normally be doing if you eat a well balanced healthy plant based diet and hit all of your nutrient targets.

@BruceLee-dp9sj 4 жыл бұрын

Also vitamin A and sulfur. Sulfur can be found in garlic onions and scallops

@enochanglin3546 4 жыл бұрын

put oranges, strawberries, and spinach in a salad, that would probably slap 🥗

@fernandomorales4691 3 жыл бұрын

Vitamin c with every meal

@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 2 жыл бұрын

Meat contains vitamin c

@Cozmic-mike Жыл бұрын

@@adolfhipsteryolocaust3443 Wrong, there is 0% of vitamin C in meat.

@DragomirSangeorzan 4 жыл бұрын

Vegan for over a decade. I donate blood (am 0-) as often as it's legal. They would tell me if I didn't have enough iron :)

@zack7122 4 жыл бұрын

king

@DragomirSangeorzan 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is what I'm trying to say. IF you have food, it's not that hard to get the iron you need. It's your choice to identify as an alcoholic, but do consider that addictions often hide some deeper trauma which may be ameliorated in other ways. We all like to self-medicate. Also, alcohol anonymous is bullshit, I hope you don't try to rely on that.

@aSyMbolden 4 жыл бұрын

Omg I love you! Thank you!!!

@intheflesh 3 жыл бұрын

Not to nitpick (and its great that you are a donor) but they don't test your iron directly. Just to be clear. Although, not being disqualified from donating is probably a good indicator that you're ok in the iron department.

@petrarchslover 3 жыл бұрын

@@intheflesh They usually test you for hemoglobin levels, which can go low in deficiencies

@Juice84 4 жыл бұрын

Next year we will see over 1 million plus people sign up for veganuary. Over 400,000 people sign up this year which is super incredible. Congratulations to you all for adopting a vegan lifestyle. Veganism is beyond food and beverage but simply evolving into a better version of yourself. Much love to my fellow vegan youtubers and Influencers. Cheers from Miami 🌞🎉

@3sotericCompassionist1976 4 жыл бұрын

💯% VEGAN FOR LIFE❤

@besedilnik 4 жыл бұрын

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@3sotericCompassionist1976 4 жыл бұрын

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@3sotericCompassionist1976 4 жыл бұрын

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@thegratefulsteve 4 жыл бұрын

VEGAN WORLD 2026

@eni3995 4 жыл бұрын

The doctors lied to me. Two years vegan now and my iron level is on end of the top range. Clearly must be a lie according to WIL's video!

@HiddenStr3ngth 4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha yeah, nice singular anecdote from youtube he gave like it means something. Why not give the many people who raised their iron levels or even got rid of their anemia when eliminating animal products from their diet. Anecdotes tho Only the ones that support what i believe must be true and taken without examination.

@sandeepr1253 4 жыл бұрын

Can you share your blood test results for the skeptics among us

@besedilnik 4 жыл бұрын

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@foxtrot.uniform.charlie.ki2824 3 жыл бұрын

You area aware that you are also providing anecdotal evidence. Also his was in relation the the data he just provided to contextualise it.

@N3dita Жыл бұрын

Did you also stop gluten by any chance?

@jimip9755 4 жыл бұрын

It's incredible how little What I've Learned has ever learned.

@genericyoutubechannel6180 4 жыл бұрын

Jimi P 😐👏🏾slow clap speeds up into applause🤗😊

@arhu74 4 жыл бұрын

I find it quite an interesting channel, as a doctor we are taught we need fiber for regular stools, I never questioned this fact but because I stumbled on WIL video on the carnivore diet I decided to just give it a test and see what happens. And to my surprise this common held nutritional knowledge about fiber was completely wrong and my stool regularity and ease of passing improved greatly with the elimination of fiber, as well as all bloating, indigestion and reflux. I've actually never felt better in my life than ever before on the carnivore diet, so energetic, strong and I finally have a sixpack as a middle aged man, never had one before. Just give the carnivore diet a try for 90 days, 90 days won't do any harm, it won't give you any cardiovascular disease or cancer and after the 90 days you can always go back to whichever way you were eating although I doubt you would want to

@arhu74 4 жыл бұрын

@brentprodz there is 0 evidence (for those of us taht actually understand what evidence is) eating meat causes any health issue at all but if you do manage to find any I'll treat you to steak and wine dinner

@arhu74 4 жыл бұрын

@brentprodz I'm a doctor, it's not clear to me at all but that's probably because I actually understand those studies unlike Mic or you

@arhu74 4 жыл бұрын

@brentprodz I doubt I'm the one eligible for the darwin award, the vegans are trying to hard www.google.com/search?q=vegan+baby+dies&sxsrf=ALeKk0385wkOJqzIw73j39iKPcR6_25TrA:1582991382575&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQsKm4jvfnAhVOCewKHd0VBHMQ_AUoAXoECA4QAw&biw=1440&bih=687

@candicecrawford2996 4 жыл бұрын

When I went vegan, I was recovering from serious blood loss. I just got my bloodwork after a little over a year of being vegan and everything is within the normal range! Also, before being vegan: my bloodwork was showing up as pre-diabetic... despite eating tons of veggies and tracking all my macros. Now, that I’m vegan, my fasting glucose has dropped 12 points. Which puts me currently in the normal range! And I don’t track any food anymore! Go vegan 🌱

@argentonomad910 4 жыл бұрын

I would not be surprised if that channel is receiving money from the meat industry.

@Pentrilar 4 жыл бұрын

Multiple incomes for videos better than one.

@kevinmckenna5682 4 жыл бұрын

Just look at the production quality. Right from the very first video, this channel had top-notch visuals. There's definitely industry money behind it.

@bwoodward9564 4 жыл бұрын

@French blue8 Bart Kay

@bwoodward9564 4 жыл бұрын

@@Retrosenescent Bart Kay

@bwoodward9564 4 жыл бұрын

@Etevaldo Skylab Bart Kay

@Ermude10 4 жыл бұрын

Probably why vegans usually have pretty good levels of iron is that we focus a lot (at least us who try to eat healthily) on our protein sources that substitutes for meat. So we end up eating a lot of beans and nuts, which coincidentally are very high in iron.

@karenl7786 4 жыл бұрын

I'll throw my own anecdote in here... It was years and years after being told I had low iron levels that I was finally diagnosed with severe anemia and B12 deficiency. I had flirted on and off with being pescatarian, vegetarians vegan. It wasn't until I committed to a well-balanced whole food plant-based vegan diet that my health showed dramatic improvements. Supplementation was necessary for a short time. Then I stopped taking the supplements months before my regular blood tests, which no surprise showed quite normal and healthy levels for everything and continue to do so for several years now.

@eni3995 4 жыл бұрын

"One KZfaqr tho..." says everything about WIL's video...

@Smudgemom2003 4 жыл бұрын

Eni “...but I have over 300,000 followers, so....I’m credible!”

@bwoodward9564 4 жыл бұрын

Bart Kay

@bwoodward9564 4 жыл бұрын

@@Smudgemom2003 Bart Kay

@RogueAstro85 4 жыл бұрын

@@bwoodward9564 Bart Kay misrepresents studies and then cries and doxxes people who point out that he's wrong.

@bwoodward9564 4 жыл бұрын

@@RogueAstro85 Vegan may be good, but Mic is the liar. There is no science. Frank Tufano explains.

4 жыл бұрын

I was a life long anemic before I went vegan, ever since going vegan all my blood tests are great and they no longer show anemia.

@arhu74 4 жыл бұрын

you are an exception www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6367879/

4 жыл бұрын

I have no reason to lie. I am sorry you think that. But I get blood tests every year and I have these results.

@shaalijones3484 4 жыл бұрын

Same here. 13 years vegan and my iron levels are higher than prevegan. My vegan adult son is a regular blood donor with consistently adequate iron levels.

@essennagerry 3 жыл бұрын

What anemias did you have?

3 жыл бұрын

@@essennagerry I was not aware there was more than one type. Here in Brazil we get regular blood tests and Mine used to always say that I had anemia. A year after I became vegan I had some tests done and and there was no more anemia in the results. And it has been like this ever since, all my blood tests have great results and no more anemia.

@SebastianMarelli 4 жыл бұрын

My gf was vegetarian and became very low in iron. She started eating meat again and it went back to normal. Now she is vegan and has the highest level of iron ever tested (after around 1 year).

@RogueAstro85 4 жыл бұрын

What I've Learned is such a deceptive channel. With a neutral name and high quality production value, he's able to disguise his clear low carb bias.

@elainemc4774 4 жыл бұрын

He doesnt disguise it he out right supports it from his research

@demcomp 4 жыл бұрын

@@elainemc4774 research?

@leangroundbeef2322 4 жыл бұрын

the exact same comment can be said about mic's channel, but re-arrange low carb with high carb.

@demcomp 4 жыл бұрын

@@leangroundbeef2322 😂😂😂😂 from a Bakertroll Bot. Lol

@leangroundbeef2322 4 жыл бұрын

@@demcomp nice deflection. I actually don't follow Shawn Baker at all, if that's who you are trying to refer to.

@SubhajitM 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks plants. I'll eat your iron forever!

@aurorasurrealis1032 4 жыл бұрын

I have PCOS I bleed the better time of the year and my Iron levels are perfect. Weird. I also was anemic before I went vegan...

@LittleWaffle 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear about your PCOS, good thing your iron levels are fine tho, one less thing to worry about 😊 take care ^^

@ojk14325b 4 жыл бұрын

Are you taking inositol with d-chiro-inositol yet? Seems to help PCOS.

@tijojose7966 2 жыл бұрын

My wife has PCOS and drinking spearmint tea seems to help her symptoms.

@philippeorlando7482 4 жыл бұрын

I stopped paying attention to what I've learned a long time ago

@annerigby4400 4 жыл бұрын

out of context, the remark "I stopped paying attention to what I've learned a long time ago" sounds really funny.... In context, it makes perfect sense.

@hilkevanmeurs970 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing video! I've been anemic since I was 7. After going vegan and finding out that I've got ciliac desease two years ago, my hemoglobin is now higher than ever

@Wearephuct-O 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@josephinehenry8236 4 жыл бұрын

Wow

@samuelbrainsample 3 жыл бұрын

So you weren't anemic because your stomach wasn't bleeding excessively from having ciliac [sic] desease [sic]? I doubt becoming a vegan had anything to do with your recovery. No meat, dairy, eggs, and now wheat, barley, et al. I feel for you.

@strokeofirish1 4 жыл бұрын

Great vid, reassures me I made the right decision going vegan at 59 yrs old👍

@nmhunter8758 4 жыл бұрын

Good job! 💚

@VeganBrainFood 4 жыл бұрын

Here's to the day Mic surpasses 1,000,000 subscribers, you more than deserve it brother! Thanks for all of the hard work on behalf of the animals (including our species). V-GANNNNNG 🌿🌿🦏🦍🐘🌿🌿

@mreverydaylife259 4 жыл бұрын

Mic's response videos are so important because when people first start learning youtubers like What I've Learned "sound" misleadingly smart and credible

@mreverydaylife259 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the concern. Who knows maybe one day science will reverse and meat will be found harmless. Until then, I hope you find the common sense of knowing fruits and vegetables won't hurt you and stay on the safe side...

@zacharycain8914 4 жыл бұрын

You set a consistently high bar with video quality and citing primary sources. I wish there were more people in the world like you

@New2you09 4 жыл бұрын

That guy that tried the vegan diet ate almost nothing but processed foods. I don't think i saw him eat a single legume. Then he blamed it on the vegan diet.

@tamcon72 4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the cliché "He did it wrong." Thanks for confirming it.

@New2you09 4 жыл бұрын

@@tamcon72 I didn't say he did it wrong. Please learn to read. I said he ate almost exclusively processed foods. That is a statement of fact.

@tamcon72 4 жыл бұрын

@@New2you09 I am _agreeing with you_ that it seemed that his eating of too many processed foods--the now cliché way that people do a vegan diet incorrectly--was the source of his problems, and not veganism itself.

@New2you09 4 жыл бұрын

@Zack Ramey except i actually didn't say those words. Learn to read moron.

@tamcon72 4 жыл бұрын

@Zack Ramey Nope. It just requires the feeding competency of a well-raised ten-year-old. If you check out the videos of most of these ex-"vegans," it is obvious that they malnourished themselves due to disordered relationships with food and/or mental problems. The vast majority of plant-based eaters and vegans[not the same thing] are normal and competent.

@RedPillVegan 4 жыл бұрын

Heme done stepped in it now...

@Wearephuct-O 4 жыл бұрын

You so crazy

@serenaally 4 жыл бұрын

Did you change your pfp?

@Alba-cs6ir 4 жыл бұрын

Beans and soy beans are on top of the list for iron,defficiency is never an issue if you eat them and cook them good👍 vegan here for two years and blood test are showing that everything is super and beeing proud of it

@osmokv 4 жыл бұрын

What I've Learned has clearly adopted a keto/carnivore diet and is now trying to search for any evidence that puts his diet into a positive light. John McDougall once said “People love to hear good news about their bad habits.” and it seems What I've Learned is not an exception.

@bwoodward9564 4 жыл бұрын

Bart Kay.

@albertoeng6255 3 жыл бұрын

You could say the same thing the other way round, couldn't you?.

@osmokv 3 жыл бұрын

@@albertoeng6255 yes

@claypleggenkule3541 4 жыл бұрын

death is the number 1 cause of death.. amazing

@aSyMbolden 4 жыл бұрын

take note

@lrodenlr 4 жыл бұрын

Oh man. I haven't eaten meat or fish in over a decade. I better get my iron levels checked! Oh wait. I do. Annually. Normal AF. Without supplements.

@TheCampbellian 4 жыл бұрын

Careful Mic or you're going to get a response on a platform inaccessible to the public

@callidus713 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! Can you please make a video on Abbey Sharp? Her online dietary advice for vegans are very sloppy and not accurate. She makes it seem that a vegan diet is deficient but she doesn’t mention the essential nutrients neither on a standard western diet like folate nor on the vegan diet. A diet low in folate can lead to birth defects. Fiber is also a concern on a standard western diet. Vegans are just a minority. I don’t know why a omnivorous dietician is so obsessed with us...

@ilanywah 4 жыл бұрын

For views and SEO.

@callidus713 4 жыл бұрын

Ilana e True!

@eXeLtheking 4 жыл бұрын

Mic, I’m not a vegan nor a vegetarian, but I truly love your content as I’m a huge advocate for legitimate nutritional science. Thank you for all you do!

@Denkono 4 жыл бұрын

So thats what poisoned Tony Stark in Iron Man.....(Alien Guy from the History channel): "Heme Iron"

@maxuno8524 4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@Kami-oj6om 4 жыл бұрын

*Heme Iron*

@bwoodward9564 4 жыл бұрын

Bart Kay

@chrispicakes6577 4 жыл бұрын

I was told that I had good genes because my iron levels are in good range. That’s the explanation when you are plant based I guess!

@v.a.n.e. 4 жыл бұрын

thanks to your meat eater ancestors, you have good genes. don't ruin them.

@chrispicakes6577 4 жыл бұрын

Heilige yes all the plant based doctors are so naive as well. I’m going to go with Dr. Neal Barnards recommendation on nonheme iron as my source. But maybe since the internet strangers with no medical training have different opinions I should follow that instead.

@martaso643 4 жыл бұрын

As an anedoctal case: I had anemia a few times before I went vegan but never after going vegan. As a vegan I was pregnant and gave birth to a vegan baby and I never took any iron supplement before, during or after pregnancy and never had any iron deficiency. I have been a vegan for 5 years and I was vegetarian for 7 years before that. My kid also never had any issue and never needed to take any iron supplement.

@v.a.n.e. 4 жыл бұрын

you forgot to mention that you are a unicorn.

@martaso643 4 жыл бұрын

@@v.a.n.e. Oh yeah, sure, I'm so sorry, it was my mistake. I'm a unicorn. Thank you for pointing that out.

@pac0re 4 жыл бұрын

i am also a unicorn

@BVerrr 4 жыл бұрын

I don’t know how you have so much motivation to keep making these year after year but I won’t complain. Please keep it up

@debbiewall2160 4 жыл бұрын

Thanx for this and all of your vids, Mic. I'm in the position of being able to listen while at work and I love filling my vegan brain full of facts. I haven't eaten meat in over 40 years and over those decades have donated blood 55 times. My naturopath told me that the best source of iron, bar none, is parsley which I chop up into my salads. Keep up the good work!

@stephaniebock1016 4 жыл бұрын

When I was vegetarian I had really low iron levels, but I did a blood test last week and Ive been vegan for 4 years now, and all my blood parameters are perfect, as the doc said it. Weird.

@katherinew2155 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been vegan 4 years now and my iron stores did drop over the time period to almost being anemic. My doctor prescribed me iron tablets that I’ve been taking. I still need to go back to get my iron retested. I try to eat whole foods plant based and I ate already a lot of lentils, spinach and other high iron foods (and with vitamin c). I do want to mention that I have been told in my past when I was younger that my iron levels were low (when I was vegetarian). I’m also a woman so we require more iron than men. But, I don’t think I had an issue with my iron stores when I ate meat. I think some people just have a harder time absorbing non-heme iron. Because of my history, I’ve since gotten a cast iron skillet. I am in no way supporting eating meat, but I am unfortunately one of those cases that did have my iron stores deplete since going vegan and I have chosen to supplement with vegan iron tablets.

@3sotericCompassionist1976 4 жыл бұрын

Great choice🙏

@essennagerry 3 жыл бұрын

Finally a sane comment! A person who sees that there are different cases out there... all I see is just one side dismissing the evidence of the other, and vice-versa. I think people are just quite different and we all need to inform ourselves a lot and try different diets and see what works for us.

@NoName-cx3gk 3 жыл бұрын

@@essennagerry Yes of course they are different people

@thePANDEMlC 4 жыл бұрын

I feel like I get more iron now as a vegan than I ever did as a meat eater, I was also terribly unhealthy as a meat eater, but still.

@jmmichael188 4 жыл бұрын

When you don't have actual science to back your claims, it's time to pull out anecdotal evidence 'a la' bro science! That's when you know the claims are weak.

@richardpells5974 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video Mic...many thanks again! I've just been to see a Hematologist at my local NHS hospital and had blood tests and a bone marrow biopsy. It turns out that I've got Mgus. I asked the Hematologist if my Iron was ok from the blood results as, I said, I've been upping my greens a bit. He said my iron levels were fine, but the only source of iron was red meat. I pointed out the Heme iron dangers which just didn't seem to register, but he was really busy and was extremely impressive in all other areas. I'm 56 and he wasn't aware that I've been solely plant based since 2013. Incidentally, folate and B12 were fine too. All the best. Richard

@12q8 4 жыл бұрын

The more absorbable argument should end. Meat eaters that argue that a form of nutrient that exists in meat is also more absorbable, forget the fact that they can also overdose on those nutrients easily.

@AH-cy4md 4 жыл бұрын

If that was not getting his iron level up despite iron supplementation, his doctor should’ve checked him for internal bleeding somewhere, like from colon polyps, do a fecal blood test at least. And ditch the calcium supplements!!

@joeblowjo 4 жыл бұрын

Mic is so awesome. You're doing a great thing for the vegan movement

@fr33ourminds 4 жыл бұрын

I love your links to studies and research. Thank you

@lith... 4 жыл бұрын

Not surprised that 'What I've learned' is still talking a lot of bs.

@loadedmango387 4 жыл бұрын

i was anemic before i went vegetarian. it got worse. then i went vegan and it’s been six years with no deficiency

@LouisGedo 4 жыл бұрын

*Facts And Logic Destroy What I've Learned Nonsense Every Time*

@LouisGedo 4 жыл бұрын

@Zack Ramey You ought to stop projecting, sweetie.

@AparnaJain1 4 жыл бұрын

More anecdotes- my daily green smoothie keeps my iron levels high, doctors and midwives together say none of our meat eaters have these awesome levels. Even after giving birth and losing a lot of blood, my iron levels were great. Needless to say I’ve got a really smart toddler with amazing speech capabilities, memory and emotional quotient. Second pregnancy has the same high levels of iron. Oh and I’ve been vegan for almost 10 years now. Just to joke, many Indians don’t eat red meat but the kids score high in spelling bees lol

@trenxee1165 4 жыл бұрын

That channel is outrageous. Everything he does is misdirection and bait and switching.

@nickdcron1 3 жыл бұрын

Hi eat vegan and no oil, your channel motivates me and encourages me every day I watch it you seem like a very fun guy. I have a suggestion that I think would be fun at the end of your videos if you showed clips of you saying words wrong or halfway jokes or just any bloopers you would like to add that would be fun to watch because I think you’re absolutely hilarious in the way that you teach all the great information you provide all the time.

@nicolelake5848 4 жыл бұрын

When I wasn't Vegan my ferritin levels were always incredibly low, even with heavy duty iron supplementation. My levels would vary from 7 mcg/l to below 4mcg/l (lower than the lab could test for). Since going Vegan I am in the healthy range and I've had a very healthy pregnancy, only iron I've taken were in some pregnancy vitamins.

@SparklySarah 2 жыл бұрын

Your cat is adorable 🤠

@RabbitFoodFitness 4 жыл бұрын

Nice video! Thank you for covering this. Heme iron is truly not good for you. Thanks for explaining this. Your videos always inspire me to keep posting on my channel!

@GlennGJ100 4 жыл бұрын

How well something is absorbed does not equate to health... I'm sure arsenic is well absorbed, does that make arsenic healthy?

@dsvwtrbeytnryune 4 жыл бұрын

Interestingly, from nutritionfacts “Research indicates that the bioavailability of heavy metals may be lower in plant-derived foods than in animal-derived foods, despite the fact that plant foods sometimes contain higher amounts”.

@lashedbutnotleashed1984 Жыл бұрын

It makes no difference how much iron is in plants. You only absorb a tiny amount of it. It is not bioavailable.

@ulysseh4598 3 жыл бұрын

I really like the back and forth. Clears up a lot of the stuff that I wouldn't have bothered to research

@MisterGraa 4 жыл бұрын

Hem iron? You mean the same thing that they say is why impossible burgers are bad for you.

@swissladydriver8980 4 жыл бұрын

Impossible burgers use leghemoglobin which has a different structure than meat-derived hemoglobin.

@MisterGraa 4 жыл бұрын

Swiss Lady Driver I understand that, They are similar and most omnis who complain about impossible burgers refer to the leghemoglobin but intern will not complain about the heme iron which is even worse.

@swissladydriver8980 4 жыл бұрын

@@MisterGraa Similar is not identical and the two different types of hemoglobin have different properties. Heme iron is not "worse", it's the best way for humans to get iron.

@550077 4 жыл бұрын

@@swissladydriver8980 "Heme iron is not "worse", it's the best way for humans to get iron." - non-heme iron combined with vitamin C rich foods are probably the best way for humans to get iron.

@swissladydriver8980 4 жыл бұрын

@@550077 Heme iron has superior bioavailability - by far - as compared to non-heme iron. Those are irrefutable Facts.

@deepakhiranandani6488 4 жыл бұрын

Very good as always. Thank you. Hats off to your patience, sharp mind, unflagging energy, attention to detail etc. 👏💐.

@ginagiberti9283 4 жыл бұрын

I had terrible anemia in all three pregnancies. Iron supplements didn't help even when they made me take double doses. In my third pregnancy I finally asked for a full iron panel and it showed my iron wasn't low - only hemoglobin was. Apparently this is quite common 🤷

@ValseInstrumentalist 4 жыл бұрын

This dude trying to say that Homer is healthier than Lisa?

@tomlauris 4 жыл бұрын

Lisa hasn't grown in 30 years, probably because of nutritional deficiencies.

@joritchie1707 4 жыл бұрын

Would love to see you do a video on oxalates in the body, derived from plants we eat, and inflammation response.

@ijmwpiano 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for bringing some sense to the internet

@elguaripolo686 2 жыл бұрын

Man, the amount of organized, condensed information in the videos you make is astonishing. 21 minutes of no bullshit fast talking exposition…

@user-vz5lr6ck5o 4 жыл бұрын

Since the 'What I've Learned' guy seems happy to use anecdotal evidence he can have this from me: I haven't eaten any meat or fish (literally none) since I was 12 years-old, I'm now 38, & amazingly have iron levels (& levels of everything else I've had checked) well within the normal range so I was really surprised about the guy who stopped eating meat & fish for a year developing low iron levels so quickly, it seems extremely odd, what was he eating?

@user-vz5lr6ck5o 4 жыл бұрын

@Zack Ramey I feel you somewhat missed the point.

@veganfortheanimals6994 4 жыл бұрын

And what I've learned is that "What I've learned" should not be making videos, and is quite possibly a meat industry shill

@lukebroadus1816 4 жыл бұрын

Vegan is stupid af. Literally have to supplement b12 t stay healthy... One of the most necessary vitamins for living. And plants don't really contain it. Think mother nature wants you to eat vegan? No asshole plants are only good because of the microtoxins in them. They are trying to kill you

@PSspecialist 4 жыл бұрын

@@lukebroadus1816 You're such an NPC.

@lukebroadus1816 4 жыл бұрын

Hellene_On_Caffeine and you’re soooo original. Leave it to a vegan to not present any counter argument based on facts and just call someone names instead.

@PSspecialist 4 жыл бұрын

@@lukebroadus1816 Your argument wasn't based on any facts either. Mother nature doesn't "want" us doing anything. By the same logic, she doesn't "want" us wearing clothes and communicating through the fucking internet. Hell, she probably doesn't "want" us cooking things either. Yet here we are. If there is a more efficient, easier and cheaper method to obtain a certain nutrient, why not take advantage of it? Who cares if it doesn't exist in nature? Nothing about our collective daily routines exists in nature. So why are you so hung up on supplements? Your microtoxins comment has no basis in reality either. So what exactly am I supposed to be replying to? I'd rather follow the science. I'm not even vegan btw. I just think people who lash out on vegans, especially those who use "nature" as an excuse are silly. And that's what this reaction to veganism is: lashing out. A purely emotional, non-fact based regurgitated reaction. Hence, NPC meme. Damn, it's not fun once you explain it.

@lukebroadus1816 4 жыл бұрын

Hellene_On_Caffeine I don’t understand how you can say my argument was not based on facts when it is a fact that a majority of the plants on this earth do not contain B12 and it’s debatable as to whether or not the one of the only beneficial reasons for eating plants is the micro toxins. And that’s not quite the same logic so find a better example, plants are nature they contain toxins so things won’t eat them. By that logic though you can assume the plants which are part of nature don’t want you to consume them. However, animals don’t contain those defense mechanisms. We are also part of nature our bodies want to do certain things like obtain nutrients, survive, etc, so I’m not sure what you mean by nature doesn’t want us to do anything. And what science are you following? Because there’s conflicting research about vegan vs meat eating. Also b-12 does exist in nature, it exist in animals lol. You sound like a real NPC right now.

@someguy2135 4 жыл бұрын

Another one bites the dust! Well done, Mic!

@skellys1948 4 жыл бұрын

What I've learned by your video, Mic, is never to watch What I've Learned. As a nine year vegan, I'm learning a lot...from you and a couple of other sites. At age 72, I've still got a thing or two, to learn. I really appreciate your work.

@lug358 4 жыл бұрын

For some women, it's normal to have lower levels of iron or ferritin, due to our menstrual cycle. When we bleed out, normally feel a lot dizzy and tired because we are missing iron, it's not bad to supplement it if needed. No need to eat dead flesh though.

@dj-fe4ck 4 жыл бұрын

I've donated 9 pints of blood since 2015 and no red meat since 2013, and I still have never been anemic or had my ferritin too low. I've only had it too high.

@mikeskylark1594 4 жыл бұрын

Another thorough response video! Good job, master Mike! :)

@Stichting_NoFap 4 жыл бұрын

What I've learned = what I want to be true. Mic is an actual learner.

@grahamsmith3186 2 жыл бұрын

sure not like this is just the opposite echo chamber of WIL

@Stichting_NoFap 2 жыл бұрын

@@grahamsmith3186 They don't use any legit studies so...

@isaacperal9778 2 жыл бұрын

You are a fountain of knowledge. How much time do you spend doing research?

@stefdiazdiaz7067 4 жыл бұрын

One example is taurine. This enigmatic amino acid is one of the most plentiful in the human brain, where it’s thought to underpin several important processes, such as regulating the number of neurons. It’s often added to caffeinated energy drinks, because of the (possibly mistaken) belief that it can provide an immediate cognitive boost. Though there are small amounts of taurine in some dairy products, the main dietary sources are meat and seafood. “Some species have the ability to make all the taurine they need,” says Jang-Yen Wu, a biomedical scientist at Florida Atlantic University. “But humans have a very limited capacity to do this.” For this reason, vegans tend to have less taurine in their bodies. No one has looked into how this might be affecting their cognitive abilities yet, but based on what we know about its role in the brain, Wu says vegans should be taking taurine tablets. “People can become deficient when they restrict their diets, because vegetables have no taurine content,” he says. In fact, the holes in our current understanding of what the brain needs to be healthy could potentially be a major problem for vegans, since it’s hard to artificially add a nutrient to your diet, if scientists haven’t discovered its worth yet.

@FrzC5 4 жыл бұрын

Man you do the research most people are too lazy to do. The world needs you but doesn't deserve you

@organiccrybaby9205 4 жыл бұрын

Hey mic! I'm struggling with some family members. they keep sending me links about how meat and milk are "really" good for my health and are convinced im making poor choices for my daughters health and my own. How do you combat them without sounding rude and just flat out explaining how their studies are wrong?

@FredieP 4 жыл бұрын

Marissa Luna Find a good YT video to send back to them from mic or Nutritionfacts.com and for those that like to read buy “How not to die”. Get support from others that eat plant based. Hang in there and good luck!

@organiccrybaby9205 4 жыл бұрын

@power house What would you suggest? A steady diet of mcdonalds and cheetos?

@annerigby4400 4 жыл бұрын

Stick to what you know. You do not have to justify your choices for yourself and your child because you have been doing the research and have made an educated decision. Your family members are as entitled to their opinions and ideas as you are to yours, but that doesn't mean they are right. Perhaps just explaining that to them will help them accept that you have a different view of life and that that's ok. Base your decision on reliable facts and figures, not on well-meaning relatives who have convictions based on traditions and misconceptions.

@annerigby4400 4 жыл бұрын

@power house Hahahaha! you mean, you (power house) believe that's a bad idea. There's a world of difference between what you believe and what you think someone else knows....

@annerigby4400 4 жыл бұрын

@power house On what do you base your statement? You say "your child will not develop correctly saying veganism is OK for kids is bad advice". So, are you saying that you disagree with research? I can say that blue is the best colour, but unless I can at least demonstrate why, then it is only my opinion and no more valid than someone saying green or red or purple is the best colour.

@tuwogp Жыл бұрын

If IBS patients get flare ups from gluten, sugar, dairy, caffeine, and insoluble fiber this may indicate that the best diet for average people consists of animal meat, ruminants, gelatin, few cooked vegetables, and fruits.

@Spock_Rogers 8 ай бұрын

Hardly...

@tuwogp 8 ай бұрын

@@Spock_Rogers Evidence?

@Spock_Rogers 8 ай бұрын

@@tuwogp The Physicians' Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) is an excellent place to start. Also, I like Dr. Greger and Dr. Klaper. I believe if you look at their websites, they have links to the research. The WHO has come out and said that meat is carcinogenic, especially processed meats. Why would you want to cause unnecessary animal suffering and slaughter, anyway? 🕊️💕🌱

@tuwogp 8 ай бұрын

@@Spock_Rogers "Why would you want to cause unnecessary animal suffering and slaughter, anyway? " Ask a lion that. Why would I eat a vegan/vegetarian diet that is suboptimal almost harmful for human health? It literally makes women lose or have irregular periods. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2008867/

@snehasaboo1377 6 ай бұрын

I have been a vegetarian all my life with 3 children and you are telling me it's suboptimal for humans. It is only suboptimal for people wanting to drastically switch up their traditional eating habits or those who haven't had any traditional food to speak of and food there is mostly based on capitalism and profits unlike old cultures like India where a traditional vegetarian is much more healthier and do you know as western fast foods and processed foods were introduced to the subcontinent the health of people fell drastically. The main problem is only capitalising on something so essential for humans "food"@@tuwogp

@keri5788 4 жыл бұрын

For the record, I was anemic before I went vegan. I am not now. I have hypothyroidism, so I get my blood tested every 4 months. Absolutely all of my tests have gotten better since starting a whole foods plant-based diet.

@zezty4295 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this mic we appreciate you

@s3nsist4r 4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, i switched to a low carb diet because of this meat propaganda channel. Worst decision ever, i gained a lot of weight and felt miserable all the time. After seeing some talks of Dr. McDougall and Dr. Barnard i switched to a low fat whole plant based diet i lost 25 pounds in 4 months, finally got my six pack and feeling better than ever. Thanks, for your content Mic keep up the great work.

@s3nsist4r 4 жыл бұрын

@Zack Ramey You should try it yourself instead of defending your outdated belief.

@terrianton3564 4 жыл бұрын

I was always anemic before I became vegan. It’s been almost 7 years and it took less than a year for my anemia to go disappear 🌱🌱

@kathivy 4 жыл бұрын

Spinach is high in iron but it’s also very high in oxalates so much of that iron is not absorbable by the body. Better to eat kale or other lower oxalate leafy greens.

@RedPillVegan 4 жыл бұрын

Mic The Vegan 2024: *Mic Goes to Washington*

@JaneDoe-sz9oy 4 жыл бұрын

The meat eaters would want his head, and he would age very soon, no vegan diet could help him then.

@Wearephuct-O 4 жыл бұрын

...but is actually in a bunker 33 miles below the surface of Antartica waiting for the pole shift

@missy3240 4 жыл бұрын

🙄 what I learned was not to subscribe to that channel

@veganfortheanimals6994 4 жыл бұрын

me too

@berglindrunarsdottir3013 4 жыл бұрын

4 years vegan here, mostly WFPB, have never supplemented for iron and recent bloodwork result shows fe-levels within normal range.

@theoneatyourdoor87 4 жыл бұрын

There is always somebody doing something stupid that a person can point to to make their point. He could have easily pointed to a vegan that has normal iron levels.

@masonatkinson2682 4 жыл бұрын

So "what I've learned" deliberately uses the word "heme deficiency" scientifically incorrect so it's in his favor. Wow.

@smartysvoice 3 жыл бұрын

fr?

@CalvinBrockingtonArtistry 4 жыл бұрын

Great information as always. KZfaq though a free form platform, needs some sort of censorship. ( Not really but you know what I mean ) People who put out misinformation are dangerous. Seriously effecting the lives of millions. It’s scary. I only hope those viewers also give your channel a try.

@v.a.n.e. 4 жыл бұрын

i agree, people should be less susceptible to online suggestions. I find it absurd to seek nutritional advice from a vegan as well as a moral approach to animals from a nutritional expert.

@BooksAndTempeh 2 жыл бұрын

Purely anecdotal, but I haven't had meat in 35 years, haven't supplemented, and I've never been anemic. It is absolutely possible to get enough iron from diet alone.

@Reasons-to-be-Vegan 4 жыл бұрын

Top quality and very comprehensive Mike. Its very concerning that 1.2m (mostly young impressionable ) people are being misled by this blogger.

@discursion 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the response, Mic.

@discursion 4 жыл бұрын

@Zack Ramey The way you bring this up doesn't make anyone want to watch that.

@aciditywormhole9898 4 жыл бұрын

I love your videos Mic and that you provide your sources, but I can’t stand it when I look at some of the sources and they say “page not found” 😡.

@MictheVegan 4 жыл бұрын

Lemme know when. Links change all the time. You can always type the title that I showed in the video in.

@aciditywormhole9898 4 жыл бұрын

Mic the Vegan right, thanks!

@gregbannish8423 8 ай бұрын

Im glad you mentioned iron overload at least peripherally, since type I hemachromatosis is one of the most common genetic disorders and can lead to liver failure, diabetes, and heart problems. Its still uncommon, at 1 in 300 people. I had to have blood removed frequently, then avoid foods with iron supplements (many foods are supplemented). Fyi, once i stopped eating meat, my iron levels went to normal...

@ceeemm1901 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, "What I've Learned" had to call his channel that because "What I Don't Know" was already taken.

@letzte_maahsname 4 жыл бұрын

Speaking as someone who eats almost exclusively meat, I actually like this video. You present facts with adequate sources in a rational way. The more I learn about nutrition the more I believe it depends on individual physiology what kind of diet will work. Personally my health, especially my mental health skyrocketed since cutting out veggies, but I believe there are lots of people who can say the same in regards to a vegan diet.

@AzulG777 4 жыл бұрын

My question is...... who is he getting paid by? He’s was just trying to promote meat 🥩 🤷🏻‍♀️js lol other than that Mic you always make a good points ❤️

@impressions9558 4 жыл бұрын

My whole family vegan vegan since years and years. On the contrary, blood tests, weight management, blood pressure, alertness improved for all. Probably easier when there is support and information within the family.